#debut or die keundal

[moondaeznuts]

I find it so cute that on 2023 April's fools day that we have the official Gunwoo novel art released (and in keundal's pov too) the fact that the manhwa showed Gunwoo sooner then the novel lol

EX rank idol data seller becomes a 7th grade civil servant

[moondaepuppy]

HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THIS BEFORE??

EPISODE 19 DURING THE MUKBANG?!?!

RG??? IS THAT WHO I THINK IT IS????

[rust-is-a-car-disease]

Dod au except is it really an au? (References to keundal and later chapters)

Its just people around moondae noticing how abnormal his behaviour is and reacting bc we know it happens but we never see it bc moondae glosses over it a lot.

Not just the stuff like glossing over his health and stuff due to living a poor life and stuff like not being able to afford the hospital or glossing over all sorts of things though thats fun too

Also like him staring off into space and reacting for a noticeable amount of time.

Or when he talks to keundal b4 they know?

Or when ryu chungwoo finds out abt the overlap between gunwoo and moondaes backstories and moondae not reacting to or knowing moondaes body backstory

Like not just testar either bc they spend so much time w him theyd probably brush it off eventually. Like maybe fans or just random viewers noticing and its like ??? Wtf is this dude doing??

Additionally: reactions to testar (and vtic) as a whole weird behaviours and habits after experiencing the supernatural phenomenon that is the system + stier habits etc.

I might elaborate on it later but i just got hit with my tiredness so i will take a break before doing anything

[moondaepuppy]

Absolutely LOVED your reactions 😂

Also getting back to the manhwas train I finally read debut or die which was?? Not at all like I was expecting?? But anyways, here are just my reactions (often kinda random) but I hope you read through and can figure out what's going on while finding it funny!

Also don't ask me which chapter it starts at because brother in arms I don't know either

EUGENE IS SO FUNNY

[VTIC Cheongryeo sunbae-nim: Call me if you feel like dying ^^]

- LMFAOOOO what

didn’t know where this dogsh*t idea came from. Does his pituitary produce saliva instead of hormones? It was fortunate that he was the type to be impressed by trivial interpersonal relationships.

- woah what went straight for the jugular

I never thought that the situation where I cried for the first time in nearly 7 years would be live in front of a camera with 13,000 people.

- AND AIN'T AFRAID TO CRY

- OR TREAT HIS MAMA RIGHT

“You didn’t have a trashy attitude back then, Moondae. You just worked hard even though you were sick. Chungwoo hyung was worried too.”

- Oml

[We have to lose!]

- Bless cha Eugene's heart

-- HE'S SAYING IT IN ENG

Hey, that’s scary. I’m scared.’

- Behold the intelligence of mcs

The company’s internal network structure is derived from T1.’

- HOLY SHIT THIS GUY'S DEDUCTING SKILLS IS CRAZY

- Have you considered a career in

- Forensic?

He also gave very American advice.

- LMFAO

I cheered as I reviewed the ten-day seclusion plan.

- FR

- secluded for 10 days sounds like the DREAM

‘I am so f*cking uncomfortable with it, you bastard.’

- Leave the poor man alone 😭

-- Is this..?

-- THE KIDNAPPING???

(- WHAT

Why don’t you try to commit suicide?”

- CRAZY BASTARD

-- He is now the kidnapper

--- Kidnappee turn kidnapper

Because I beat the sh*t out of him.”

- Amen

It’s okay. I won.”

- HELL YEAH YOU DID

The fact that I was injured enough to go to the hospital was funnier.

- WHAT STOP

- HE COLLAPSED

- WTF

- PLS REST

--

HE'S ACTUALLY SO MANIPULATIVE

-- USING THE SKILL

-- SUBTLY CHANGING THEIR THOUGHTS IT'S CRAZY

---

DO YOU REALLY WANNA WORK THAT HARD

Arent you drinking too much

- ONG was not expecting this to actually be a problem

You look tired these days!”

- OMG HE _IS_ AN UNRELIABLE NARRATOR

--

Oh no he got a SURPRISE BDAY PARTY

-- Woah so his actual one is 8 dec??

-- That's awfully close

---

WATCHING RED PANDAS IN THE CORNER OF HIS ROOM

--- SAUR CUTE

----

HIS GRANDMA IS AN OPP

---- I'M SORRY IT'S REALLY MEAN BUT GET IT TOGETHER GIRL

---- OMG CHA YUJIN INSISTING THAT HE STAY

---- URGHHH MY HEART

Self criticism should be done during spare time not when it's a nuisance

- I respect this man so much

like a brainless idiot

- STOP

- YOU ARE SMART

- AND AMAZING

- YOU JUST GIVE 200% AT THE WRONG TIMES

--

AW OMG HE CARES SO MUCH

-- BLESS RAEBIN

-- EVERYONE ACTUALLY

-- THEY ARE THERE FOR EACH OTHER SO MUCH

- - -

Woah wait so they're aiming for a Moondae is the the same person as bae sejin feel??

--- I am INVESTED in the mv lore

It doesn't matter if it was worse this time

- NO

- IT'S ALREADY SO BAD

- THE RECOIL SHOULD NOT GET WORSE

- THAT'S RIGHT SLEEP MORE

- JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE BACCHUAS DOESN MEAN YOU DONT NEED SLEEO

--

OH NO

-- THE ACCIDENT

-- STOP

-- ARGHHH

-- WILL YOU REST PLEASE

-- OH THANK FUCK

---

WAIT

--- NO

--- NONONONO

--- STOP

--- NOT ALLT HE WAY BACK

--- Daydream??

( how desparate he is)

- OH MY FUCKING GOD

- SHOULD I JUMP OFFF

- NO

- OMG

- NO

--

OMG THIS REALISATION is Tearing me APART

rapid prayers in spanish

- the angst here is killing me

--

THANK GOD FOR NECTAR

-- 18 DAY COMA

OMFG

-- CHA YUJIN IS SAUR CUTE

-- BRIBED HIM WITH TANGEIRNES

-- HE'S SORRY

-- HE IS FORGIVEN

-- CHA YUJIN KEEPING QUIET ABOUT VTIC

-- AND BLACKMAILING MOONDAE

-- SO ADORABLE

---

FUNDRAISING

--- He's actually so sweet

--- PLS EVERYONE WAS CRYING

"do you think I'm some kind of sociopath"

- SEJIN NO

- THEYRE FRIENDS <333

- PLEASE I NEED THEM TO BE HAPPY

--

So the system is actively trying to help him??

---

TSRANDED ARC!!

--- Lights out :0

--- SAVE THE CHICKENS

--- The secret door is so ominous

--- Horror arc

--- OMG MOONDAE GOING wtf do I do??

--- SO REALL

--- WAS SO SCARED FOR A SECOND

----

THE MEETING

---- OMG

---- OMG

---- OMG

---- OMG

---- AHHHHHH

---- DID HE RUN AWAY???

---- I'M SO CONFUSED

---- BUT RGW IN THIS CONTEXT IS SO SWEET

HE TRIED TO COMMIT DEATH

- WHAT

- WHAT THE FUCK

- HUH

- IT ENDED LIKE THAT????

- No more abnormalities???

- WHAT

--

:OO A CONVO WITH OG PMD

Ah the need to be in control of every situation

- So valid

AND THEN MY TEXTS JUST END THERE SO...

anyways hope you had a laugh

And I really hope this fandom gets so much bigger than it is now :)

[nestofthorns]

*spoilers ahead*

maybe it's because i was reading orv before reading dod but debut or die feels like a love letter to idols and fandom the way orv feels like a love letter to readers.

i just keep thinking about the world of the screen. keundal receiving strength through gun134's fancams, despite never meeting. moondae receiving keundal's wishes and help through the system screen.

idols and fans live in two worlds, but they meet through the screen. what connects them? what makes the two worlds connect? why do idols keep performing, why do the audience — the fans — keep watching?

it's fun.

just like testar's concept — it's because it's fun.

because it's fun, because it makes you laugh, because it makes you scream, because it makes you cry.

because you share those emotions, the two worlds are connected.

and when you meet the idols live, those two worlds overlap for a moment and those emotions spill out.

gunwoo, who captured idol videos just to make money. gunwoo, who helped keundal during the worst time of his life through the screen. gunwoo, who lived in an isolated world but still touched others' hearts through the videos he uploaded.

and when they met outside the world of the screen, he once again helped keundal. keundal who cast the wish to help the one who helped him and became the screen itself.

because ryu gunwoo was his idol even before he was park moondae. because park moondae (ryu gunwoo) saved his heart, even before everything.

gunwoo gave him the world of the screen that saved him, and then keundal cast a wish to give him a world that loves him through the screen

idk i keep thinking about how much moondae loves his fans and how much they love him. how their prayers and hopes reached him when he was comatose. how he's always planning to make sure the fandom is having fun and not tired to support testar. how he may not be the og "park moondae", but he's undoubtedly testar's park moondae.

[quieteclipse]

debut or die novel chapter 347 spoilers

keundal is so cute, i can't do this 🥺😭💖

[moondaeznuts]

Debut or Die episode 58-60 behind the scenes

machine translation below the spoiler cut like always

Soheun

Episode 58-60 Behind the Scenes

There were candidates for the bear on Big/Keun Sejin's whiteboard. When I put it together it seems like traces of Sejin's worries

(candidates)

(final bear drawing)

(IM USING THE PANEL FROM TAPAS BY THE WAY)

2. The Alien Moondae on the left is from the storyboard. As I soon saw the storyboard, I felt overwhelming despair from the talent so I tried my best to replicate it through drawing (on the right)

3. This episode left an impression on me when I read the original, so I had a lot of trouble with Moondae's psychological portrayal. As with every important episode, each stage of writing and editing was engraved in my mind, so when I closed my eyes before going to bed, I would replay the manuscript in my head from the first cut. I would like to thank the PD and assistant writers once again… I also remember having many discussions with Jang Jin. The same goes for directing the title, how and to what extent Moondae's facial expressions are shown, how to reveal emotions in parts where facial expressions are not shown… etc… Personally, I put a lot of effort into the effects of the flashback cuts.

4. The gummy snack that Ahyeon brought is the same ones that he had in episode 16. It seems like he chose that one since Moondae liked those the most among the snacks shared so far

(gummy snack) ep 59 and 16

5. Just like Sejin’s last post, Jangjin writes down the entire text in the chat room, even the parts that aren’t used. Every time I received a confirmation, I was surprised by how realistic it was…

6. There are many other things I paid attention to, and I worked hard to include them in the manuscript, so I hope they were conveyed to readers as well~~! happy new year Please enjoy the next episode as well!

<Jangjin review of episodes 58-60 which is going to be a bit long an serious>

I feel like I've climbed a big mountain.. As always, but especially for this episode, I received a lot of help from Soheun in setting the tone. When working under limited time with lots of details, there were parts that I missed, but Soheun looked at them with the reader's eyes and caught them again. In the process, there were times when the interpretation was completely different and I had to redraw them or discuss one or two minor scenes for a long time. It must not have been easy for the animator to carefully look over the storyboard with a lot of work and limited time. It wasn't easy for me either, reading the original and adapting it, to shake off the first image that was stuck in my mind, understand the collaborator's interpretation, and find my rhythm again. That's how much we both thought this episode was important and wanted to convey the emotions the original gave us. I enjoyed this process a lot. I have often used the phrase ‘The beauty of collaboration’

The process of thinking about where to show as a mirror that reflects a good original work was truly the fun of collaboration. From the beginning, the episode was planned to be contained in 2.2 parts, and while the previous episode was finished in a quick pace, this time we utilized a lot of POV, flashbacks, narration, cuts, close-ups, etc. to capture Moondae's psychological state. For visual effects, we utilized lighting, shadows, effects, etc., and Soheon took extra care in lighting and flashback effects.

Let me introduce two parts that I discussed with So-Heon to maximize the visual effects…

1. Flashback scenes

The two flashback scenes in episode 59, the scene where he recalls the performances he has done and the meetings with fans, I wanted to give the feeling that everything was shattered like a dream at night with the sound of a fist being struck.

In the case of Moondae recalling his fans in the same episode, Soheun had the opinion that it would be nice to feel like all kinds of affection and support towards oneself are passing through one's hands like grains of sand or smoke. So, the images were corrected to give the overall impression of waving.

2. Expression of the 'Original Park Moondae'

This is also expressed in the original work, but the suspicion about Moondae, the original owner of the body, grows, and Park Moondae (Ryu Gunwoo) distrusts him, and the misunderstanding is raised again through the explanatory note. I don't know how you will feel, but as I continued to read that part, my sympathy for Moondae grew a lot. Even if he had originally planned to drop out, I wondered what school was like for Moondae, who had to leave school without being able to completely explain the unpleasant incident, and who had no adults who could stand by his side. While thinking about the same thing, I ultimately decided to direct with the idea that this is the kind of previous Moondae that Moondae currently has. It is also an image that I came up with while thinking about the development of the novel, so it will also bring various feelings to readers who read the novel.

I wanted to wake up. I think it's because I've been working with this mindset since the storyboard, but when Soheun's drawings and directing were added, I felt a bit touched. It was a scene that I had prepared and nervously for since the beginning of the webtoon, so I think I spent the next three weeks feeling anxious and nervous until the end….ㅠㅠ After we've overcome a big hurdle… We'll run to another big hurdle. I ask for your support until the end, and I hope you enjoy the rest of the holiday…!

[moondaeznuts]

Debut or Die what-ifs

random thought but what if keundal driving

major spoilers about keundal if you don't know him. this takes place sometime after the series ending

Technically, he has his driver license but he never driven before soooo I can see Chungwoo and Moondae teaching him how to drive.

ew cringe dialogue incoming

"Keundal, I think it's about time to get a car."

"But hyung... It's cheaper to take public transportation instead? Besides... I still don't know how to drive...."

"There's going to be a debut line-up for our hoobaenims, yes? You're going to be their manager soon. You'll need to take care of them and drive them to their schedules if they can't."

"Oh, Right! I see it's safer that way too compared to taking public transportation instead."

"I've already talked to Chungwoo hyung about this and he said he'll teach you how to drive when he's free from his schedule. If not, then I can teach you instead. However, I'm not able to do much."

"Hyung, how come you haven't got your license yet?"

"...I don't need it."

I 100% believe that Moondae likes being the passenger princess that's why he's delaying getting his license again

Moondae would teach Keundal the rules of the road/basic driving laws and meaning of signs while Chungwoo helps Keundal with the driving experience he needs.

Keundal would be a very cautious driver and pretty aware of his surroundings because he doesn't want to get in a wreck. flashbacks to testar car accident

[moondaepuppy]

I'm listening to fanmade TeStar concert playlists and

is anyone else genuinely sad thinking about how that one day we'll read the last chapter and then its over 🥲

[moondaeznuts]

Debut or Die post-canon au idea

If anyone has any OCs with their own kpop group that they want to have in the dmjverse without interfering with the original groups lineups, I think it would be cool if the system came back with possessing an idol trainee in Stars Orbit with more idol-like status abnormalities.

(I don't have any ocs to do this but if anyone wants to writes this then I'm down to read it ^-^)

adding a spoiler warning down below

Luckily, Bigmoon and Moondae realizes the system comes back and helps the new possessor. Because TeSTAR's new junior group is also managed by Bigmoon, I think there would be a lot more interactions between the two.

Oh and of course we can't forget about Cheongryeo finding out:

I think it can go either two ways

Cheongryeo and Moondae helping the new possessor get through the status abnormalities.

Cheongryeo making things harder for everyone, just for fun. (but later he eventually helps.)

[moondaeznuts]

DEBUT OR DIE KEUNDAL/BIGMOON/BM HEADCANNONS

BIG SPOILERS IF YOU DONT KNOW WHO HE IS

this one has more light spoilers might make another part for the heavier ones

I love him so much and I always talk about him on twt lmaooo so im kinda just compiling stuff from twt into a big posts(?)

some of these hcs are kinda built/expanded off of canon stuffs soooo yeah

some of this might be canon actually but it sometimes hard to tell because I read mtl :cry:

He's twitter moots (brief mentioned of seeing each other in their twitter timelines in part2) with the other fans we see in the series (Moondae's fansite master and the Kim Raebin fan! I cant remember their name spellings rn... will edit later)

HE'S THE RICH FAN... buys all merch he can get his hands on his bedroom is full of TeSTAR merch (it's always mentioned he has merch in his bedroom)

He helps pay(?)/sponsoring those fanmade advertisements like those type of fan ads you see on a member's birthday

If he can he goes to those birthday fan café events :) OROROR he helps pay rent for spaces so they can have birthday event!!!

(idk if this is an actual thing) those mass buy album events(?) the fans would do each comeback(?) he buys albums for other fans that couldn't afford the newest album at the moment... (Moondae will just give him a sign album anyways lol)

He buys any plush/cotton TeSTAR doll he can get his hands on (based on a tweet he saw in ch644 for a Chungwoo doll) he has some sort cute display for each of the members :D however he has some Moondae dolls everywhere in the house (Moondae is concern about this\ Keundal just misses him that's all...) lolol (Groom of May doll sitting on the couch is canon! so cute)

Ahyeon custom making/crocheting clothes for keundal's dolls whenever he comes by his house or as some sort of gift (help there was a cursed thought of ahyeon crocheting moondae's underwear for one of keundal's moondae doll :sob: <- reference to that one moondae doll account on twitter if ykyk)

He has his own custom made TeSTAR t-shirt designs... it may not be the best quality (as in looks more meme-y/shitposty instead of some serious design... "Graphic design is my passion meme" vibe) it so cute and funny (the shirts are in the depths of his closet)

this is getting long.. (its like 8 bullet points but still) I made a Part 2 here still with light spoilers

no heavy spoilers for now...

[moondaeznuts]

DEBUT OR DIE KEUNDAL/BIGMOON HEADCANNONS pt2

SPOILERS IF YOU DONT KNOW WHO HE IS

still not heavy spoilers but yeah

keundal/bigmoon hcs: Part 1

Keundal sitting on the couch holding/hugging one of his Moondae dolls while watching TeSTAR's variety shows/preformances/livestreams or any other extra content

He has a basket of apples in the kitchen for Moondae!

He has all of gun123 videos saved on his phone or somewhere just incase everything gets deleted and so he has something to rewatch

other than that he saves moondae's fancams too

Keundal doesn't cook much... but he attempts to make/follow any of Moondae's recipes! though it may not be just likes Moondae's cooking it's still edible (he rather have moondae cook for them)

^Whenever Moondae does a cooking livestream he also tries to follow along!

he'd rather starve then sell his moondae signed photocard(s)... (just let moondae make him food!!!)

his favorite cereal always changes he probably cycles through different brands and flavors

he cycles through different TeSTAR songs for his alarms I guess the alarms depends on what event is going on for that day

Any hobby that Moondae mentions he does Keundal will also try to get into it too

Keundal and Moondae going skiiing together(pretty sure that this event is canon and moondae is good at skiing) they both find it fun!

^Plus keundal and the other members going skiing together for vacation

Keundal's vocal stat is at C in his original body so it raises up to C+ or B- just from singing TeSTAR songs for fun!

^Moondae giving Keundal vocal lessons and singing advice so his singing stat is higher

Keundal and Raebin having long deep conversations talking about the process in the making of the songs in the albums! Keundal wants to know everything and Raebin is happy to tell him

Keundal and Raebin also discussing the interpretation and meaning behind songs too (omg)

Keundal really likes Baese's acting and would ask him how he felt/his thoughts when he's acting

He def watch anything in which Baese acts in (if its a new kdrama or movie he would watch it with Moondae)

Keundal learning how to crotched from Ahyeon! so cute

Eugene teaching Keundal how to dance to one of their tictactoc (tiktok) dance challenges would be so funny

[moondaeznuts]

About Moondae's surprise birthday letter on 12/15/2022

Before the novel was completed, it used to update 5 days a week (Monday - Friday) until November of 2022 it switched to 4 days a week (mon, tues, thurs, fri). If the novel was on its old update cycle then chapter 565, in which we see Moondae write his birthday letter, would've been uploaded on his birthday

[moondaeznuts]

(12/15/23) HAPPY BIRTHDAY PARK MOONDAE (art from official accounts)

Happy birthday to my beloveds Park Moondae and Ryu Gunwoo

oops spoilers: omg i love the foreshadowing in soheun-nim's moondae chibi art and how the background is also a bunch of status windows (could be reference to keundal?) and the breaking of the background (like debut or die season 2 cover art of Moondae breaking the status window) could be a foreshadowing in novel part 2 or how Moondae's potential is infinite therefore cannot be measured/contained

They actually drew Gunwoo art on his birthday but unfortunately it wasn't for an official birthday post

[moondaepuppy]

Keundal going to the fan cafés... But he's in gunwoo's body, and gunwoo is a big kinda intense looking guy... But then when other fans talk to him he's blushing and really sweet!

(I think I'd die if ahyeon made me personalised clothes for my TeStar plushies.)

DEBUT OR DIE KEUNDAL/BIGMOON/BM HEADCANNONS

BIG SPOILERS IF YOU DONT KNOW WHO HE IS

this one has more light spoilers might make another part for the heavier ones

I love him so much and I always talk about him on twt lmaooo so im kinda just compiling stuff from twt into a big posts(?)

some of these hcs are kinda built/expanded off of cannon stuffs soooo yeah

some of this might be cannon actually but it sometimes hard to tell because I read mtl :cry:

He's twitter moots (brief mentioned of seeing each other in their twitter timelines in part2) with the other fans we see in the series (Moondae's fansite master and the Kim Raebin fan! I cant remember their name spellings rn... will edit later)

HE'S THE RICH FAN... buys all merch he can get his hands on his bedroom is full of TeSTAR merch (it's always mentioned he has merch in his bedroom)

He helps pay(?)/sponsoring those fanmade advertisements like those type of fan ads you see on a member's birthday

If he can he goes to those birthday fan café events :) OROROR he helps pay rent for spaces so they can have birthday event!!!

(idk if this is an actual thing) those mass buy album events(?) the fans would do each comeback(?) he buys albums for other fans that couldn't afford the newest album at the moment... (Moondae will just give him a sign album anyways lol)

He buys any plush/cotton TeSTAR doll he can get his hands on (based on a tweet he saw in ch644 for a Chungwoo doll) he has some sort cute display for each of the members :D however he has some Moondae dolls everywhere in the house (Moondae is concern about this\ Keundal just misses him that's all...) lolol (Groom of May doll sitting on the couch is cannon! so cute)

Ahyeon custom making/crocheting clothes for keundal's dolls whenever he comes by his house or as some sort of gift (help there was a cursed thought of ahyeon crocheting moondae's underwear for one of keundal's moondae doll :sob: <- reference to that one moondae doll account on twitter if ykyk)

He has his own custom made TeSTAR t-shirt designs... it may not be the best quality (as in looks more meme-y/shitposty instead of some serious design... "Graphic design is my passion meme" vibe) it so cute and funny (the shirts are in the depths of his closets)

this is getting long.. (its like 8 bullet points but still) I made a Part 2 here still with light spoilers

no heavy spoilers for now...