#dean negative

[lillysilverus]

Does it still frustrate anyone else that Sam was villainized and ostracized for his mistakes but Dean was sympathized with and supported for his? I realize that Sam's were in the early days of the show when the story telling was still fresh and nuanced, but it's so blatant that they must have realized what they were doing when they had Sam and Castiel treating Dean like a victim rather than the perpetrator of his own bad choices.

[sml-str]

Got in a dumb tiktok argument with someone over Dean's treatment of Jack and whether it was comparable to John, aand... at some point, their argument was "He treated him the same as Sam and Cas; Dean is brutal in his relationship with others..." and really just made the "it's ok he was cruel bc he is also cruel to the rest of his family" argument. Then later, when I tried to be kind and give the out of "I do think this was bad writing though," they literally insisted it wasn't bad writing and their way of proving it wasn't bad writing was... by listing several other examples of Dean being abusive to other teens/young adults like pointing the gun at Kayla. Literally just gave free examples of Dean being abusive in order to argue it was good writing, while arguing Dean was nothing like John and wasn't abusive.

[peanutbutterandbananasandwichs]

Something about how Dean was WAY scarier when he was himself with the MoC (and frequently without it too) than when he was a literal demon (with the MoC) (who lets be honest was mostly just cringe). Idk. Telling.

[brotherwifesam]

it's so sad how continuously sam is told in s5 by dean that he doesn't have faith in him, he's going to betray him somehow, this is all his fault, he can't save the world, he's a bad brother who doesn't care about their family, only for sam to single-handedly save the world because of his love for dean and sacrifice himself to an eternity of unimaginable torture

[ambersock]

I never watched the last, like, five seasons of Supernatural because I was eventually filled with too much rage, but I missed Sam, so I started rewatching a few older season episodes. I was never that into Mystery Spot, but getting to watch Sam be smart and intense and peak Sam at the same time as getting to watch Dean die repeatedly because he sucks? Love it.

I hear you, anon!

I actually loved Dean initially, right up until he punched Sam in 2x03 which immediately downgraded him to 'barely tolerable for Sam's sake'. After s4 and s5, he earned a special place in my imaginary hell and Mystery Spot became my comfort episode. And just when I thought he couldn't possibly get any worse, along came s8-s10. By the opening scene of Goodbye Stranger with all the dead Deans lying on the floor, my reaction was nothing but a satisfied warm fuzzy glow instead of the intended horror.

I will say that s11 is definitely worth watching because we finally, finally get back to some real brother moments (particularly Red Meat), and Dean becomes almost likeable again. Sam's interactions with Lucifer are the high points of the season and make it worth putting up with the Dean/Amara cringefest.

[mpregspn]

Can I ask you about how you feel about dean? I’m a little confused if it’s more on the side of disliking him or just being critical of him. Im just genuinely curious because you ship Wincest and really like Sam, so I was wondering how your feelings on dean affect your like on Wincest.

sorry it took me so long; had to think this through but i still don't know how to answer that other than "it's complicated"

i think two things can be true at once

i'm not interested in dean. i hate his ass. i love it when he prays begging for sam's life. or when he orders angels around to fix sam

he's undeniably abusive

wincest still goes hard

at times because dean is abusive

[nyaningthroughlife]

Fucking hate Season 8 rn, like, why is Sam the villain here??? Goddamn, the writers making me a Bitter Sam Girl.

Now, I'm confused about my feelings about Dean. On one hand, he pisses me off, on the other... no wait, he still pisses me off. I don't know what to say about him anymore. The things he says just make me so frustrated.

[soultheories]

jack: would you still love me if i was a bug?

sam: of course, jack. no matter what, we're family

castiel: why would you be a bug?

dean: i don't even like you now

[redtyrannoranger]

Torn between really wanting to rewatch SPN because I love Sam Winchester and not wanting to watch SPN ever again because I hate Dean Winchester

[lillysilverus]

Can we all just agree that Dean is really bad at giving Sam motivational speeches?

Season 5 "Sam Interrupted"

Sam- "I'm really angry all the time."

Dean - "Suck it up and bury it. We don't have time for your issues."

Season 7 "Hello Cruel World"

Sam - " I don't know what's real! I'm having a breakdown!"

Dean - "Okay, I'm your real brother because I will kick your ass when I need to. Here's what you're going to do. Every time you see Lucifer, you're going to hurt yourself."

Season 8 "Sacrifice"

Sam - "You think I'm useless and can't do anything. I'm a terrible brother."

Dean - "Aw come on. Just because I said that a few times doesn't mean I actually wanted you to believe it."

There could be more but those are the ones I can remember.

[sml-str]

[supernaturalconvert]

This !!!!

Like the only time it’s even a bit different is S1 but as they spend more time together, Sam is almost so used to it again.

dean’s discipline abuse towards sam

(part of a larger pilot - sacrifice edit but thought i’d post this ‘physical’ compilation now)

[wigglebox]

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Thank you all so much for the support during this years suptober! Things were a little different this year but I was still so happy to see so many posts and creative folk in the tag this year! I love this event so much and it was heartening to see many others love it as well.

See y’all next October and Happy Halloween! 🎃

[lillysilverus]

"Last Call" is on TNT. So cringe. As much as I love Sam whump, the scenes of "Dean" singing and talking about old times with a heretofore unknown person is just..... It was really sad that they lost the ability to write Dean and not a caricature of his persona.

[wombpala]

I miss meg so much oh my god what we could have had. I hate this show. where is my wretched irredeemable brunette crazygirl who fell for the fail angel so bad she got a job as a nurse. not even to be nefarious just to set up lamps for him to explode

[idkwhattocallmyselfs-stuff]

Thank you for everything you just said. You put it so well and expressed every emotion I feel when I watch that episode. I’m going to go throw up in a trash can now :)👍

 sometimes i decide that i don’t like myself. sometimes that makes me want to watch a sad sam episode. sometimes the episode is ‘when the levee breaks.’

sometimes i yell.

warning: under the cut are my reactions to the aforementioned episode, and most if not all of them are what you might call “the opposite of dean (and, to a lesser extent, bobby and cas) positive.” so there’s that. it’s also just me feeling, really fucking sorry for sam though, so if that’s your jam then. continue on i guess kajlghsjhgsh. anyways here are some actual trigger warnings: mentions of suicidal ideation, mistreatment of a person struggling with addiction, abuse/torture mentions. please tread carefully. if this isnt something you can read, i completely understand.

for the record, i will say: this is not meta. when i write meta, i try to be fair and see things from perspectives of characters besides sams, even if theyre not perspectives that i like engaging with. when i write meta, i try to talk about whats happening in a nuanced way. this is not meta. this is me reacting, based purely on emotion. quite frankly, im not sure im capable of talking about ‘when the levee breaks’ in an unbiased, objective way, because it simultaneously breaks my heart and makes me see red. (i’m going to try in a meta i’m working on though so maybe this will help me get my anger out before that ashglhsgjks.) basically, what im saying is, this is not objective analysis where i’m trying to understand characters’ motivations. this is just me being super bitter and sad on sam’s behalf. also, this got really long. it took me about four times the amount of time it should have to watch the ep.

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