#dargon age the veilguard

[neocores]

im so mad bc the game does actually try to discourage the player from choosing to save minrathous instead of treviso when. blighted treviso is SO fucked up its VERY cool and the quests and involvement of the people surving there are FAR more interesting than what minrathous gets.

minrathous is, functionally and tonewise, not that much different when saved vs not. despite the fact that we know the shadow dragons are the only thing holding the venatori at bay, and fighting the blight out of the catacombs with some wardens. and despite the fact that in the scene when you go back there only to be shown that, uh, minrathous is blighted. and then it's just suddenly not any more, when you return later on?

we know that minrathous gets fucked over, the venatori are in charge, they killed the archon, people are being kidnapped and executed on the streets, the common people are suffering more than they ever have before, the shadow dragons are all but hanging by a thread, viper gets the blight, theres blight in the sewer and in the catacombs- it COULD BE GOOD. WE COULD HAVE MORE. WE COULD COORDINATE WITH WHATS LEFT OF THE SHADOW DRAGONS. YOU BARELY EVEN SEE THE VIPER EVEN THOUGH HE'S MEANT TO BE DOING TRIPLE A SINGLE PERSON'S WORK NOW LIKE. cmon. opportunity wasted.

it's like. so disappointing. and even more so that most people are going to save treviso and not minrathous for bias and lucanis reasons. when blighted treviso is SO. NEAT. like youre missing out on a great, and dark, part of the game.

[tuxedo-rabbit]

The human version of the special "convince Mythal" option is just gushing about how awesome Neve is.

Amazing. No notes.

[rookamell]

I'm thinking about the meal after the whole "i made you dinner and desert please somehow figure out that means I'm in love with you" (and in my headcanon first kiss) fiasco and how both of them are sitting there unable to stop smiling but then they both start thinking and Lucanis is like ope thats a whole new relationship for me to fuck up i did not think about that mierda thats a lot of stress now that I am thinking about it and Rook is sitting there frowning going me??? He likes me???? What the fuck???? And by the time the meal ends both of them are sweating and avoiding eye contact and Davrin Taash and Neve are making eye contact across the table like how the fuck did they somehow manage to get worse (after hc kissing)

[shippingmyworld]

My Veilguard hot take is that Davrin's companion quest ultimatum should have ended with the choice to save either Assan's life or the lives of Assan's siblings. Let me explain.

Davrin's narrative is constantly a pull of self vs. community. He left behind his entire clan because doing his duty to his community and preserving history didn't bring his self any fulfillment. The first time you go for a walk with him he tells you that he found fulfilment through hunting, which eventually turned to monster hunting, which led him to the Grey Wardens. However, this came with the unexpected consequence of hardening his personality. With death around every corner, he could no longer be true to his kind and caring personality (insert over-cited evidence of Davrin singing to Halla as a child). Members of his community could disappear overnight, and would do so regularly because of what the Wardens did. That's why when Assan came into the picture, he tried to keep the griffin at arms length. After Weisshaupt however, Davrin lost nearly his entire community and was only pulled out of his despair and anger when Rook reminded him that Assan needed him. Davrin let go of his community willingly again, and was able to find joy in being true to his self again and raising Assan.

The Wardens were still there, albeit broken and scattered for the time being, but Davrin stepped away and focused on Assan. That's why Isseya is the perfect foil for Davrin. She's also a Grey Warden elf that made the opposite choice in this instance, she chose to fulfill her sense of duty to her community instead of herself, and then lost herself after her Calling.

That's why the final 'ultimate' call with no good ending for Davrin should have been a choice between saving Assan or saving Assan's siblings. Imagine that Isseya is moments away from finishing her ritual to successfully blight the other griffins. Davrin sees Isseya's struggle, sees himself in her eyes and understands her plight of self vs. community, and still wants to believe and appeal to the kindness that he knows is somewhere deep down inside her. The same kindness that he's carrying himself. Isseya did what she did out of love for her community, however her love for the griffin's of her time was just as strong, which is what twisted her into the Gloom Howler. As we see in-game, Isseya's been too corrupted by the Blight, become too devoted to her crusade to 'rescue' the griffins from the Grey Wardens to give up and Davrin's final appeal to her fails. So, paralyzed and broken, Davrin turns to Rook and Rook needs to make a decision; either charge in with Assan and risk the young griffin's safety to rescue the rest of the clutch, or hold back for the ritual to start and give themselves and Assan a safe window of opportunity to strike down Isseya.

If Rook charges in, Isseya will abandon the ritual and turn her full attention on Rook and Assan. This would end with Assan giving his life to protect Rook, allowing Rook to strike the fatal blow. The other griffin's are safe, they won't go extinct, but now Davrin has to mourn the loss of the griffin he came to see as his own son. He wouldn't blame Rook of course, Assan lived as a Grey Warden should, preventing Darkspawn from taking the lives of others and fulfilling the final part of his vows, 'In death, sacrifice.' However the pain of losing Assan will never fade and should Davrin survive the final battle, Davrin will sacrifice his self fulfillment again to fully devote himself to his community in order to honor Assan's memory as a Grey Warden. The griffins remain with the Wardens, and Davrin makes sure they're always treated properly, however never gets close to another cub again.

If Rook holds back, Isseya will be too focused on her ritual to prevent getting struck by a surprise and fatal blow from Assan and Rook. Assan is safe, however his siblings are now either dead or blighted from the ritual, meaning they have to be put down. This means Davrin has failed his duty as a Grey Warden since he couldn't keep the griffins safe. Now Assan is the last griffin left in existence and once Assan dies, the griffins will be extinct once again. He wouldn't blame Rook in this scenario either because it kept Assan, his son, safe. Should Davrin survive the final battle in this scenario, he'd sacrifice his place in his community since he'd never able to forgive himself for failing to save the griffins. He'd instead devote himself to raising Assan and taking care of Arlathan Forest, like his Uncle Eldrin.

I think that personally I'd just like to see something that has more immediate and recognizable consequences then what the game gives us. The negative aspects of bringing the griffins to the Wardens vs leaving them in Arlathan just seems too vague to really feel like the choice has much of an impact. Sure, history could repeat itself and future Wardens might take advantage of the griffins, but that's big 'what if' that's just looming in the distance. And if you leave the griffins in Arlathan, you're just letting nature take its course and letting wild griffins live their lives without any sort of force to protect them, which is another big 'what if' regarding their future. Plus if some big bad blight-related threat did appear on the horizon, the codex entry from Ghilan'nain implies that griffins are already natural predators to the blight so no matter where they are they'd likely come back to fight it off, Grey Warden trained or not.

[rubeau-art]

What if our Rooks held hands?

Lark (Left) belongs to @coffeepotcat, Meadow (Right) belongs to @waitingonthewind, and ofc Lee (middle) is my idiot.

[xbaebsae]

Harellan's Boots - Black Silver with Bloody Variant

Made a lil texture mod for DAV so my character finally has some darker armor. Hope you enjoy :) Needs Deluxe Edition content, since it recolors that armor!

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[trashcanias]

she's home

[pinkiemme]

No sleep only Dargon Age Veilguard

[mslanna]

What are the few games you stick to outside bg3? I’m also not a gamer gamer I’m stuck between bg3,sims, gta, red dead and my new obsession wukong

If you (or anyone) have recommendations I’m all ears!

Hi Nonny,

I am eternally bound to Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

I like all games but have faves.

Dragon Age 2 is my forever fave in DA because I cannot get lost in the small, repetitive maps. Also nobody can hold a candle to the Arishok. Third Act? What is this third act you're talking about? Second place goes to Dargon Age Origins (Sten my beloved, why were you not romanceable?) and Inquisition is my least fave because it is a uselessly open world clogged with so many side quests they drown out the main plot line. Curious what DA Veilguard will bring and which unromanceable character will break my heart.

Mass Effect 3 is my fave of that franchise. I played it so often I now must play Insanity or get bored. I love how things come together from all three games and can headcanon the ending away. 🥰 ME2 is second place and ME Andromeda and ME share 4th. ME is a game like none I ever played. I defies my ability to categorise and I love playing it. MEA was the first game ever where I could romance somebody I wanted. 🥳

Sometimes I play a spot of Dishonored or some point&click games.

And there you have it my complete, ignoble gaming list.

[rookamell]

I have not said anything about Mythal/Solas since I finished the game cause there are a lot of very big emotions going on there for people but I would like to say that I hate the way they brought Mythal into the game. I hate it so much. It doesn't make any sense with the Mythal/Flemeth we've seen since Origins and it doesn't make any sense with the Mythal we see in the Crossroads. She should have been a massive bitch and I stand by that. She should have been so unapolagetic about commanding Solas to join her it should have made me angry. Instead what I'm angry about is them trying to pass of the piece of Mythal that Morrigan has as "the benevolent mellow piece" because what the fuck do you mean. I'm replaying origins rn and I am a Morrigan/Amell truther until the day I die and (even when you don't romance her) hearing her talk about herself and how Flemeth raised her is... heartbreaking? I thought I could accept that she'd take Mythal's spirit but actually I can't. I can't accept it the only way I can see it happening is if she drank from the well and Mythal's spirit attaches itself to her after Felmeth dies like a little parasite and they're both SO angry about it (kinda like spite/lucanis) because what do you mean she forgave Flemeth? Morrigan would spit in her mother's face on her deathbed. You could make the case that in the past she always knew Flemeth would be back somehow but I don't buy it.

Anyway that got away from me a little bit what I actually wanted to say is I think they should have made the piece of Mythal a part of the battle against Elgar'nan. And it could also be better like that because you could have had Elgar'nan confronting what he did to his wife (who I assume he loved at some point???) instead of just... being an asshole as his whole personality. It could have been a thing between him and Solas too where Elgar'nan is maybe able or not able to confront what he did to her and Solas then in turn is/isn't depending on your choices throughout the game... idk why they were trying to make her this benevolent mother/lover figure to Solas the Mythal I knew in the first three games was fucking shit up all over the place and also chasing templars and chasind around in the korkari wilds for fun before killing them and I want that Mythal to confront her shitty ex-husband even though she was just as shitty. I am loathe to bring up bg3 in a dragon age discussion but in this case I do think it's trying a little too hard to be gale/mystra and I don't think they got it right because we have the context of the other games.

Tldr: Mythal should have been used in the confrontation with Elgar'nan not Solas (and that could have led to a decision Solas makes) also free my wife Morrigan