#dantes inferno reference

[vannpz]

The worst sinners, in his underworld, were the traitors——those who betrayed their loved ones, friends, and their God.

[berryberrytaeberry]

Why is tumblr showing me previews of the communities. If I wanted to join them I would. I'm already on this hellsite don't pull me into a hyperspecific ring of it.

[fakesorbet]

Midway upon the journey of our life I found myself within a forest dark, for the straightforward pathway had been lost

The Divine Comedy

[sthilarions]

“Charles and Edwin as Orpheus and Eurydice” is old hat. How about “Edwin and Charles as Virgil and Dante, but make the homosexuality explicit this time”

[marcus-junius-brutus15]

hey guys happy pride month!!! BTW the rumor that all queer people burn in hell isn't true and it's because Dante said me and Cassius are down there for stabbing Ceasar, not for dating each other. You'll be fine. Unless. You know. You eat someone or something like that.

[possessable]

trying to make a Limbus Company Sinner Sona wish me luck

still developing her (I DO NOT KNOW THE LORE OR WORLDBUILDING OF PROJMOON WELL ENOUGH TO MAKE AN OC BUT I SURE CAN TRY) but she's based on Beatrice from Rappaccini's Daughter. essentially, basically there is a botanist researcher guy named Rappaccini with a garden of Very Poisonous Plants he cultivates for medicinal purposes, and his daughter Beatrice who he raised to tend to the plants, so she developed full immunity to the poison at the cost of becoming poisonous herself (she can embrace the plants like they're her sisters but bugs die and people bruise upon touching her skin)

i don't even know how to adapt this into limbus lore-wise but mostly i think it'd be really funny . "hey sinners here's your new coworker don't walk within 5 feet of her or you start dying ,"

surprisingly no possession involved with her thus far though. sad

[coeur-de-fruk]

Give us demon au fruk pls pls pls pls pls pls pls

Lust and Heresy make an odd couple, don’t they?

[shaylogic]

Messy Masterpost: I don't have the words so here's a mess of links and ideas

@captainfantasticalright's Dead Boy Detectives: a breakdown of Dante's hell. This post is a masterpiece of understanding how the Hell/afterlife dynamics work in Sandman Universe and DBDA, and it's sent my mind buzzing like crazy

My post about Simon's book

Not just any book

Theory about Simon's brother/father? Being a part of Burgess' Cult ("Order of Ancient Mysteries")

Thank you @niko-sasaki-dbd

Ba'al ==> Sa'al

Seems like Simon may have gotten a demon-summoning book that worked from his brother who may have been involved on Burgess' cult from Sandman. He died with book in hand, and that's the one he's tearing apart on repeat in Hell. Tumblr user listed above identified what the book might be, based off the image.

This interview at 12:52 George Rexstrew answering that Edwin's favorite thing about Charles is his unconditional love and acceptance of him.

Post about Charles bearing his soul to the Night Nurse like Orpheus played music to Cerberus

Interviewer talking about "straight friend" Charles "rejecting" gay Edwin, only for George, Jayden, Beth, and Steve to stiffen up slightly. Asking about how Charles didn't have a gay panic reaction to Edwin's confession. This interviewer is actually gay and interviewed on a gay network later, which threw me after this question.

=>If Charles had really gay panic rejected Edwin, it really would have ended like Eurydice, thrust back to the pit of Hell to wallow in the internalized homophobia, rather than being released with the support and healthy love of Charles.

Actors have reiterated multiple times that the case is not closed on Edwin and Charles' romance, they're just getting started and figuring it out in the midst of all the chaos.

People are stuck in Hell because they believe they belong there but Edwin gets out the second time because Charles KNOWS he doesn't belong there! And reminds Edwin of this when he's getting pulled under in it all

Charles went back to his red polo after the confession and escaping Hell with @nerdytacollama's excellent addition on episode 7 specifically!!

Edwin's whole arc was about accepting loving and being loved and his attraction to men, and his love of his best friend, specifically

Steve Yockey saying the confession NEEDED to happen on the stairs out of Hell. One reason being that Edwin may have been too afraid to go through with it after, another being that he could get dragged away forever at any second and it could be his last chance.

[above article pic quote from this]

But also based on the Hell worldbuilding of the Sandman Universe where people only go to hell if they believe in it and believe they deserve to be there > Edwin believing his want for intimacy at all letalone with other men being "such a sinful life" (Night Nurse paperwork) > the upward climb of healthy love from the Dante's Inferno Post > Edwin HAD to confess on the stairs and be accepted! It freed him of Hell~!

Simon moved on from Hell with Edwin's mutual sorrow for the two of them and somewhat understanding/forgiveness? Maybe self-acceptance from the gay guilt

Edwin's form saying he would serve in Hell for living such a sinful life and then be reassigned to a more pleasant state (Hell not an eternal afterlife, just time served and then moving one)

[image posted in @reviewcreature's post with @melefim's addition]

If Edwin went back now, loved and accepted by his friends and himself, would he pass on to the better place?

My post wondering about reincarnation in the Sandman Universe, which others weighed in on in the comments about how it's indeed canon

The parallels of the Lust room in hell being a butcher shop with bloody hanging bodies to reflect the debauchery of bloody writhing lust bodies ===> compare to "Girls' Night" when Jenny was running and hiding from stalker Maxine in her butcher shop behind meat ===> compare Edwin's arc of accepting "sodomite sin" of being attracted to men (challenge to the epitome and catalyst (ha) by the Cat King) and him having been through the Lust room of hell before and him STARING AT THE RED BULL ON THE BUTCHER SHOP WALL (as compared to directly in the first linked post)

The purity of Charles and Edwin's love compared to that and the stereotypes of how male love is depicted in media, as George, Steve, and Jayden have spoken out against gently in multiple interviews

How it's partially childlike, partially deep friendship where two men can hug and cry, partially a crush, partially potentially reciprocally romantic

The juxtaposition of Edwin's archetypical confession to Charles on the stairs of Hell on the way out of the Limbo of it, with Maxine guilty and desperate just below them, not even looking toward the open door

Fans wondering why it was so easy to get out of Hell. The worldbuilding canon saying that Hell is what you make of it (Charles says this in the original Season of Mists Ch 4 comic, Edwin says it in episode 7 to Simon). People in Hell stuck because they feel they deserve it.

@podcastenthusiast's post about being glad Edwin didn't see Simon move on, because then he'd really wonder we he himself suffered so long

==>CHARLES got Edwin out because he KNEW he didn't belong there!!!!

They push and pull each other by the arms the whole way to the top!!!!!!!

Magical weight in the snake pit "nothing's meant to leave this place"

Charles literally dragging Edwin out of Hell for the love and devotion to him!!!!!!!!!!!!

Allegory of dragging him out of his self-rejection and holding him by the face saying over and over "I love you. I accept you. I'm not leaving without you."

Openly gay producer/director Steve Yockey insisting on being the one to write Episode 7 and you can feel it in every color on the screen.

There's no higher power deciding this, despite the paperwork and minders ensuring everyone is sorted. It's an internal self-decided fate, unconscious.

I'm not gonna be able to link and list every pic and organize this in the state I'm in but--

ARE YOU SEEING ALL THE THINGS I'M SEEING?

Girl help I'm getting visions!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fishsticksart]

Francesca - Hozier

If someone asked me at the end, I'll tell them put me back in it

[Francesca, Hozier // The Ghosts of Paolo and Francesca Appear to Dante and Virgil, Ary Scheffer // Francesca, Hozier // Canto V, Inferno, Dante Alighieri // Francesca (Official Video), Hozier // Francesca, Hozier // Ship on Stormy Seas, Ivan Aivazovsky // Francesca, Hozier // Canto V, Inferno, Dante Alighieri // Paolo and Francesca, Mosè Bianchi // Francesca, Hozier // Paolo and Francesca da Rimini, Gustave Doré // Before Romeo and Juliet, Paolo and Francesca Were Literature’s Star-Crossed Lovers, John-Paul Heil // Paolo and Francesca, Frank Dicksee // Francesca i Paolo, Ludwik Wiesiołowski // Before Romeo and Juliet, Paolo and Francesca Were Literature’s Star-Crossed Lovers, John-Paul Heil // Paolo and Francesca da Rimini, Dante Gabriel Rossetti // Francesca, Hozier // Francesca (Later with Jools Holland), Hozier on BBC Music // Canto V, Inferno, Dante Alighieri // tumblr user @handgf // The Kiss, Auguste Rodin // Paolo e Francesca, or Morte di Paolo e Francesca, Gaetano Previati // Hozier // Hozier // Hozier]

[machiavelli]

Netflix just announced their new show loosely inspired by the Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri, apparently he is a famous Italian poet if you don’t know him

[i-really-like-phrogs]

Re-design of my un-named Beetlejuice OC from back when I was thirteen

Original Reference under the cut:

[33misc]

for the girlies who understand, I’m out here tying to turn a Almost (Sweet Music) situation into a Would that I situation, but failing and getting myself Francesca’d

[crimsonrrain]

The art hanging on the Devil Hunters' Bureau wall is one of the Doré Illustrations for Dante's Divine Comedy. The Illustrations by Gustave Dore (1832-1883) depict the passion and grandeur of Dante's masterpiece ― from the depths of Hell onto the mountain of Purgatory and up to the empyrean realms of Paradise.

As one critic wrote in 1861 upon publication of the illustrated Inferno: "we are inclined to believe that the conception and the interpretation come from the same source, that Dante and Gustave Doré are communicating by occult and solemn conversations the secret of this Hell plowed by their souls, traveled, explored by them in every sense."

[perfectwitchcrown]

I've accidentally left this post sit in my drafts for awhile, so here is my meta (mostly) about File #71 (with some updated sections since I first wrote it). More under the cut.

CW: References to homophobia, references to suicide and suicidal ideation

I had suspected that Abbott Nicholas didn't think Dante was gay, and this file more or less confirmed my suspicion. I feel it is more likely that he really did say something cruel in the scene we've only seen snippets of where Vergilius left. Especially since he brings up the idea of "influence" in this file. As closeted as Dante was, all of the other children seemed to be aware that he was gay. Abbott Nicholas seems to have not broached the topic with Dante, largely because he doesn't believe Dante is gay. I wonder if Abbott Nicholas not addressing the rumors with Dante might have been in some way reassuring to a young Dante. I don't at all mean that he thought Abbott Nicholas was supportive of him being gay, because I think the extent to which he was trying to prove he was straight to him makes it clear he didn't. But Abbott Nicholas not broaching the subject and continuing to be perceived as favoring him might have allowed for a little bit of hope. Which is part of where my mind goes with Comedy 2's presentation of Dante and Vergilius's separation, where Dante just looks absolutely crushed while he's looking back at Abbott Nicholas. If Abbott Nicholas connected Dante's relationship to Vergilius as having some relationship to the rumors he'd heard from the children and said something, the limbo in which Dante doesn't have to let his sexuality impact his relationship with someone who was likely his parental figure would've been over. If Dante goes with Vergilius, then he would have to confirm he is gay and he would now be faced with evidence of that meaning rejection from his parental figure. If Abbott Nicholas identified Vergilius as the source of the rumors that Dante was gay, and Dante didn't go with Vergilius, then he can continue being the favored student of his parental figure, but with the knowledge that he's betrayed the one he loves and cannot ever reveal the truth without losing all of it.

This is mostly just complete speculation over Dante backstory though and motivations though. Ultimately, I don't know whether we even will get a concrete explanation of what exactly happened that day, or whether it'll always be kept vague. Frankly, I could see it going either way, but this is just where my mind goes to what might have happened.

I do want to also mention though how I did not notice at first that this separation occurred in the forest. The forest shows up a couple of times in the Inferno: the first is at the very beginning in Canto I, when Dante is lost, and the second is in Canto XIII, where Dante encounters "The Wood of the Self-Murderers," where those who have taken their own lives have turned into trees. Some scholars have connected similarities in some of the phrases of these two sections as indicating the depth of Dante's despair at the beginning of the poem. At the end of Canto I, after Dante has wandered lost in the woods and been chased by wild animals, Virgil appears and the Canto ends with Dante following behind Virgil: "Then he moved on, and I behind him followed" in the Henry Wadsworth Longfellow translation, which is publicly available online. It feels significant then that MTEFIL's Dante came across Vergilius in the woods, was also offered an opportunity to follow behind him, and failed to do so. Vergilius naming himself that also then feels like a really cutting decision.

Back to the file, I'm also curious to see that we received more information about Dante's mentor/mentee relationship with Mother Rosa. I had assumed he hadn't started working with her until after these events, but I was completely incorrect. Abbott Nicholas blames her for Dante's attitude getting worse which is super fascinating. I'm really curious about what her relationship with him at this period looked like. I've mentioned in previous meta, but Dante has reused her advice she gave him in a way that suggests to me he genuinely respected her. That he repeats Mother Rosa's advice she gave to Priest after recognizing Priest's mentality as a result of Abbott Nicholas's influence suggests to me that he felt she helped him as well with some of the baggage Abbott Nicholas gave him. That it's so connected to the idea of sexuality also makes me wonder the extent to which she was aware that Dante was gay. I'm really hoping we get more of her, especially since we know she was the prior strongest exorcist. She was also the previous strongest exorcist pleaseee I wanna see more of her....

There's also the performance of heterosexuality. Ekuoto Dante's expression of internalized homophobia reminded me of some sections from real Dante's Vita Nuova. Idk how intentional this is, it could just be an interesting coincidence but I just thought I might share.

Towards the beginning of Dante's Vita Nuova, he writes about how on one occasion he was staring at Beatrice, who was near another woman. The other woman, and other people around them, thought he was staring at her, rather than Beatrice. He decides to make use of it:

"Therefore I was reassured, and knew that for that day my secret had not become manifest. Then immediately it came into my mind that I might make use of this lady as a screen to the truth: and so well did I play my part that the most of those who had hitherto watched and wondered at me, now imagined they had found me out."

Later on, he further decides to "screen" his love of Beatrice by doing this:

"I took the resolution to set down the name of this most gracious creature accompanied with many other women’s names, and especially with hers whom I spake of. And to this end I put together the names of sixty of the most beautiful ladies in that city where God had placed mine own lady"

So he masks his love for one woman by writing poetry about how beautiful sixty different women were. Why he does this, idk. There's a section not long after this that I personally find funny where Dante describes how this actually pisses Beatrice off because he's stringing along various women and she doesn't say hi to him when they come across each other so he sobs himself to sleep.

Anyways, back to MTEFIL. I know I'm not the first person to say this, but I really hope we see more of the in-between moments that caused Dante's personality to change so drastically. The period where I would argue he seems to have been the most emotionally stable and confident, the first chapter of the series, comes after Vergilius left sometime in either their late preteen or early teen years, and the subsequent death of Mother Rosa in 2011. How the hell did this guy bounce back so well from all of that, and then what possibly could've happened that was worse than both of those events to make him as more or less hopeless as he is now??

I'm also no where near the first person to say this, but I agree with the assessment that he might've reunited with Vergilius at some point prior to the first chapter, after their separation in childhood. I suspect there is a second break up we don't know about that really crushed him. Dante talks about love not being able to save people while thinking about Vergilius in one of his "my advice to Priest was shitty" monologues, which is so distinctly at odds with his thought process in the first chapter. I wonder if he tried to "save" Vergilius sometime in those seven years.

As always, if anyone has any different takes or feels I missed something, I'd love to hear what u think on it!

[lyril]

original characters, as opposed to unoriginal characters

[miesozernacma]

dude i just found and watched gaslight district's pilot...... girl....... GIIIRLL...... this is such a fucking good pilot !!!!!!!! augh