#civ 7

[dragon-in-a-fez]

the teaser trailer for Civ 7 looks amazing

[cecilias-cool-stuff]

NAVIGABLE RIVEEERRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSS

[lastoneout]

[chungledown-bimothy]

gwendoline christie is narrating civ vii oh my godddddd okay yeah i'm never playing this one without sound

[fuzzy-oooze]

wait, they're adding civ switching to civ 7? what the fuck? why? why would they do that? I hated it in Humankind and I'd hate it there too, if I pick to play as Babylon, that's because I want to play as fucking Babylon, not switch to something else partway through. If I pick china but an era passes or whatever and I have to pick a new one you better have a fuckin' genus historian on your dev team who can list every central east Asian civilization or I'll be offered to switch to stupid shit like Greece, which I'd reject out of wanting to play as what I picked as in the beginning, but something tells me that a lot of civs won't have more "advanced" counterparts (such as, say, the celts or carthage) and I'd be FORCED to change civs, but I DON'T WANT THAT, I WANT TO BE PLAYING AS WHAT I CHOOSE TO PLAY IN THE BEGINNING, THAT'S WHY I PICKED IT

"Oh but no civilization lasts forever-" yeah yeah shut you're fuckin' mouth because

1)-they're keeping the immortal leaders and having them switch civs with you so Gilgamesh is going to become British and evil

2)-what you said is just plan Dead Wrong because, well, China's stayed itself forever, Japan's stayed itself forever, India, the Congo, Aboriginal Australia, fucking Greece, I get what you mean but No one has ever went to sleep and woke up as a FUCKING MONGOL. Civilizations change due to outside influence such as foreign invasion and not just time, time plays a part, yes, but not to nearly the extent I think people think.

why can't they just have it so that you're not playing as a real historical civilization and instead you pick and swap cultural traits as time passes so that by the end you've made your own storied culture and civilization? I feel like that's such a no-brainer but no one has done that and it feels like so much of an easier and more generally appealing idea to have than civ-switiching.

[yurideification]

saw some "conversation" about south west asian civs in the subreddit and a horrible thought popped into my head. i can totally see them doing this and adding like. David Ben-Gurion or Golda Meir or something alongside it as leaders for #feminism points. Awful.

[complexcrow]

I know it's a small thing, and it's probably naive to get so hopeful about it at this stage of the game's development, especially with the history of how indigenous cultures are treated in western media, but just the fact that the Civ 7 Dev team is reaching out to an indigenous community feels like something that never would have happened twenty or even ten years ago.

Yeah, it's just a silly little sandbox game about nuking people, but it's nice to see the shift of putting action to words when it comes to treating non-western ethnicities, religions, and cultures with the respect they deserve.

Gives me a little hope that things are moving in the right direction, one turn at a time.

[4d-hypermoth]

As tired as it is to complain about the new Civilization game being different, let alone before it releases... damn do I think they fucked up bigtime.

There's a lot that looks very good (the map, navigable rivers), and a few things that look very bad (the UI, Augustus's model), but the fact that you change your civilization twice over the course of the game is just stupid. I can't be the Mongols in the modern era because they'll have turned into some "modern" country and gained their theming? Isn't that going against a huge part of Civ's appeal? If I pick the Inca, I want to play as the Inca for the whole game. Y'know, stand the test of time and all that?

And if it was just different it'd be one thing, but then you have issues like... what, are the Shawnee just supposed to turn into the United States?? Are the Celts going to become England??? We've seen Egypt's "historical" path (unlocked by default, although depending on your gamestate other options will be available), which goes Egypt -> Songhai -> Buganda. These have nothing in common except for the fact that they're all in Africa, which doesn't inspire confidence for the rest of the paths.

The only throughline for your civ will be the leader, although that leader can lead any country, meaning you can have Hatshepsut starting the game as the leader of Rome, for example. This opens the door for some very uncomfortable setups, like a US founding father leading a Native American tribe. And since the civ changes throughout the game, even if the AI leader will prefer to stick to their leader's real-life civilization, they'll only be the leader of that civ for one third of the game.

Oh, and another big complaint: while I don't think the leader models look as bad as a lot of people are saying, the fact that they don't face you, the player, and instead are facing the avatar of your civ leader in the diplomacy screen is waaaaay less engaging and fun. They face you in the leader select screen and in that context I'd say they look good.

I don't doubt that this will probably still be a fun game in spite of these complaints, but for $70 and a mountain of DLC on the way, I think I'm just going to wait however many years it takes to get the whole package for dirt cheap on sale.

(Though I will say Gwendoline Christie was a great pick for the narrator)

[swedebeast]

Time for another soundtrack to look forward to!

[oceanusborealis]

Civilization: Full Map (2024 Edition) - Map-It

TL;DR – Every single feature of the Civilization Franchise (at the time of posting) in one Map Back in 2021, during Civilization’s 30th Anniversary, we put together a map that charted every location that has ever been added to a Civilization Game. It was a fun exercise, well, other than trying to get Mesopotamia to work. But after I released the Map, it became clear that I had missed a couple of…

[squidpye]

Machiavelli looks so good in Civ 7

[omgeddon]

Sorry for being a g*mer

but the changes made by firaxis in civ7 look, sure, interesting, but the mix and match Leader with Civ system is Not Good. They've just announced Machiavelli as a leader, but no renaissance Italian civ, so you're supposed to use him to play as Greece or Normandy? It's obviously just a means to keep certain combinations behind dlc paywalls, and I'm not about that. Nor having to run the game on the computer they use to keep the moon in orbit. So. Pass.

[7thcirclebaker]

Civ 7 idea; spy's can damage world wonders of yours or other civs. It's possible to rebuild them, but the production and financial cost is like ~10% or more of the original cost, depending on the spy level and also the time since it's been built. It's harder to rebuild something made with hand carved stone when you've advanced beyond the point where there would be many master stone carvers.

Like a natural disaster, other civs can help you rebuild in exchange for diplomacy, either by gifting money or doing a recruit artisans special project. If it's found out that you damaged someone elses Wonder within a certain window, you lose diplomacy.

[mystic-lilac]

Trung Trac

So excited to play as her in Civ 7!

[fluffycatgirl]

civ 7 seems cool but like

the denuvo in question