#chloe bourgeouis

[queerpiratebrainrot]

ALRIGHT!I JUST WATCHED THE MIRACULOUS MOVIE AND I HAVE THOUGHTS! There will be spoilers ahead, so tread carefully

A list, in no particular order, just how they pop up in my head:

The animation was STUNNING! Just, props to the animators, I enjoyed the movie visually SO MUCH! From the use of colours and lighting, to the way they used all of that to upgrade the characters: it was absolute perfection. (though some of those close up shots of Hawkmoth were A Lot. But that was probably the point)

The absolute chaotic energy that both Tikki and Plagg (but mostly Tikki, cuz unfortunately. there wasn't a whole lot of Plagg, which I understand due to time, even if it is sad) is FANTASTIC! I adore Chaotic Tikki so much. She has my whole heart! That little scene of Tikki pushing Marinette's hand to Adrien's? Lovely. Tikki explaining absolutely nothing to Marinette when they first meet? Perfection. Just. Give me more Chaotic Tikki, please!

The soundtrack? WONDERFUL! I kinda knew it was a musical, I think, but I completely forgot, so when Marinette sang those first few notes, I had to catch up a lil, but DAMN I was excited! (sad we didn't get Ce Mur Qui Nous Separe (I don't know the english name oops), but it was still fun!)

On that note: Adrian having the most Disney Princess I Want song in the movie is just perfect. No other words needed. Best choice they could have made there.

ALSO on that note: Marinette's singing voice? BEAUTIFUL! It fits so well! I just couldn't help but enjoy her songs, if only for that.

BUT I didn't have to, because the music itself, without the lyrics was just so well done!

Slightly less good: The hawkmoth song was missing some flavor, in my opinion. It started out, and I was EXCITED cuz it started so HARD and then it didn'treally deliver, I think. It kind of kept in the same range and didn't really go up, ya know?

I really REALLY liked Marinette and Chloe's relationship. The way Marinette fired shots back at Chloe, and they actually seemed to be becoming more frennemies? Amazing. I wish we would've gotten more of that in the tv show, considering earlier seasons Chloe and her character developpement, but I really enjoyed it here, in the movie

I'm happy we got to see Gabriel and Adrian actually confronting each other. Both Adrian standing up to his dad (although the timing was a little off, more on that later), AND Gabriel finding out his son is Chat Noir and the resulting Crisis. At least there was some emotional pay off there! (looking at you, season 5 finale)

NOW on the timing thing: There just wasn't enough time. I understand that they wanted to do the superhero origin story for people who aren't familiar with the show but do go to see the movie, but I feel like they just didn't have the necessary time to create the emotional tension needed for the end scene to actually hit as hard as it could have. We got to see a hint of Adrian and Gabriel's relationship, and what was shown was great! But if we had gotten a little more of that perspective and tension, it would've felt better to watch Adrian stand up to Gabe and his parenting skills. And consequently, enjoyed more of the end scene with them figuring out each others identities. Genuinely, I was happy we got at least some pay off there, but it felt too easy. (which again, makes sense due to the limited time, but I feel like they should have made choice: either the Big End Fight with Hawkmoth, OR the Origin Story. And since they did kind of set up a possible sequel, I feel like the choice could have been made)

With the feeling of too easy: I had the same feeling of Marinette and her finding confidence in herself and Ladybug AT THE END! The sudden change during the montage, I liked and felt like it made sens, since we then, during the big battle, get Marinette's insecurities over only being confident when she's Ladybug and all that. That is wonderful and so in line with the core of who Marinette is as character, no matter what version of her we get, that I love it very much. I would have enjoyed a liiiiitle more time with the Angst, but it's allright!

MOSTLY CUZ: that scene where she's dragging Cat Noir's unconcious body onto the debris of the Eiffel Tower, and she goes 'Don't. Touch. Him.' through tears and with a broken voice? AMAZING! When I tell you I Went FERAL! My children! absolutely STUNNING

The actual fight of the end battle? Marinette surrounded by flame and a Paris that is falling apart? Ladybug in Hell, essentially? GORGEOUS! Cat Noir running up the Eiffel Tower to fight Hawkmoth? Stunning! The Eiffel Tower slowly collapsing, as Ladybug watches and cannot Do Anything to stop it? HEARTWRENCHING!

Marinette revealing herself to Adrian at the ball? AMAZING SCENE! (although i laughed and had to utter 'Real Subtle, Marinette' when I saw the ladybug wings on the back of the dress, which was, againg, stunning). The way the scene was framed like the rejection scene? WONDERFUL!

The glitter on Chat Noir's mask? I loved it! Such a fun little detail we don't get in the show!

Did not like the Plagg farting scene. Just. No thanks. It's cheap comedy and that runtime could have been spent better, with a better characterisation of PLagg and his relationship with Adrian. But whatever, it's fine.

THE LADYNOIR CONTENT AND BICKERING! JUST FANTASTIC! ladynoir stans got FED this movie, and I am HERE FOR IT!

So yeah, that was an incomplete list of my thoughts on the movie! Overall I really enjoyed it! I really liked this version of the characters and their relationships. They feel a lot more genuine and real in comparison to the tv show, in some ways. I had so much fun watching it, and will probably go a second time, to see how it'll feel like on a rewatch. And just to enjoy the vibes. I do hope we get a sequel, because I am Curious. And would love more Natalie content.

[stanlunter]

Btw them >>>

[justrandomfanficideas]

3-MLB

An Au where Gabriel Agreste and Andre Bourgeois got married after losing their wives(Gabriel to death and Andre divorced Audrey when he found out about her cheating on him), it was mostly for their kids as they had just lost a parent and knew the two had always been close.

None of their last names were changed so people had no idea about the marriage or Adrien and Chloe being stepsiblings since their fathers didn't do anything big for their wedding.

Adrien was homeschooled but mostly for fear that he may have the same sickness as his mother(that's how Gabriel explained Emily died) but Chloe finally wearied him down and he let Adrien go to school if they promised to keep an eye on each other.

Natalie is their godmother and spoils them whenever she can so she took them shopping for new clothes to wear when she was told Adrien would finally be able to go to school(seriously, why do the characters always wear the same clothes? Like, I understand wearing the same clothes two or three times a week but they wear it almost everyday and I can only assume that they have multiple versions of the same clothes despite some calling themselves fashion designers).

The stepsiblings arrive at the start of the new year with style and of course most people recognize Adrien since he is still a model but doesn't do as many jobs as in canon since despite everything he is still a kid.

Many got curious about the relationship Adrien had with their schools' 'mean' girl but they found it hard to approach him as he was always with Chloe until the teacher put them in separate groups for a project and his teammates asked him if he was dating Chloe to which Adrien made a disgusted face before saying that Chloe was his sister.

Will Gabriel still be the Hawkmoth? Probably not but it is up to the writer as it is ships, their reactions to finding out they are siblings and anything else that might happen.

[bethsfolklore]

Chloe Bourgeouis's Pride and Her Ultimate Downfall

Chloe, while not being a character I particularly like, is a character that I have a deep love for. What I mean by this is that the person who she is is not someone who is a good person in any sense of the word but on the other hand I care very deeply about her and am very invested in her character. I think one of the most interesting parts of her character arc is just how easily it would have been for her to be redeemed. What I mean by this is that we know Chloe, although she might have been at some point, is not interested in growing as a person and becoming a better person. However, had she made a few decisions differently by season five the Chloe we have could have been a completely different character. If she had decided to swallow her pride and actually reflect on the things she was hearing from both Adrien and Ladybug she could have become a better person. The problem lies in that she was both too stubborn and unwilling to listen to either of them that she ended up going a completely different route. In doing so she had made her own bed and now we’re seeing her lie in it. She lost both of the people that no matter how much of a twisted version of friendships she had with them were still people she considered friends. If she had just stopped being so prideful and actually did some self reflection it is entirely likely that she wouldn’t have lost either Adrien or Sabrina in season five. However, she couldn’t let go of her pride and that caused her to lose both of them. The thing is she was so close yet so far from doing just that in season two and three but she wouldn’t and that was her downfall. I think another thing that is just so exponentially tragic about her character arc is that in wanting her mother’s validation she became just like her. She was so desperate to please her that she became the very person she feared. In a sense I would even add this to my list of reasons why Chloe is Adrien’s foil. Because while Chloe became like Audrey Adrien managed to despite still seeking Gabriel’s validation not become like him at all. And there are people who will say that this is because Adrien had people who were there for him and I completely disagree with that statement. Because Chloe could have had that but she refused it. I’ve been wondering for so long why seasons 1-3 Chloe and seasons 4 and 5 Chloe seemed so different; because while she was never a good person she clearly had a conscious and I wanted to know what happened to that because I have always been interested in the psychology behind character’s actions and this morning I realized why this happened. It’s because she was so stubborn and prideful that she started pushing away people who were trying to help her become better. Adrien and Ladybug were good influences in her life and while I’ve seen so many people place the blame on the two of them Chloe is the one who took them for granted and distanced herself from them. So of course when she distanced herself from the two best influences in her life and refused their help she plunged into the deep end and became the worst version of herself. 

[foxwitchaine]

Question

Which characters from other media, do you think is a better version of miraculous ladybug characters?

I'm gonna take this question with a huge pile of salt. Because there's more than one show that does this concept better than what MLB does. That also includes how they handle the cast. I'm also gonna sound like a broken record with the upcoming "buckle up", but buckle up and hold on tight, everyone. It's gonna be a rollercoaster.

1.) Mr. Freeze

I know for sure I'm cheating just by mentioning him, but Mr. Freeze is what Gabriel Agreste should have been in regards to his quest for Emilie. Mr. Freeze isn't just a sad man mourning for his wife. He is broken. Shattered. Screwed over by people higher on the corporate ladder than himself (doesn't that sound familiar). Thing is, Mr. Freeze's story resonates with people and is part of the reason why he is still talked about today. He's also shown a kinder side, like the time he made it snow during Christmas in one issue of The Batman Adventures comics. All for the simple reason his late wife would have been sad if there had been no snow that year.

His demise in Batman Beyond left many viewers heartbroken, as we're left wondering what could have been.

Gabriel Agreste, on the other hand, is utterly and thoroughly selfish and thinks of no one but himself. This is best seen in how he treats his son throughout the show. Disregarding Season 5 (I have no idea how they thought they could pull it off), Gabriel has not shown one ounce of humanity. Not towards Nathalie, not towards Adrien, not even towards his wife, who he supposedly loves. Other than the show telling us how much he loved her (this is a recurring problem with MLB's writing), we never would have known.

Gabriel's death in Season 5, as a result, is much less impactful than Mr. Freeze's death in Batman Beyond.

2.) Madoka Kaname

Now this is a more recent show that I still think holds up. For those not in the know, Puella Magi Madoka Magica is a 12-episode anime series that aired in 2011 and, for lack of a better word, changed the game in magical girl anime. While one could argue that it tears down rather than celebrates women in power (as magical girl shows are supposed to do, Astruc), and it's not the most original concept (what is, nowadays), one thing most can agree on is the character writing, especially for Madoka.

Madoka, just like Marinette, is a selfless sweetheart who performs the ultimate sacrifice for the greater good. What separates her from Marinette, tellingly enough, is how her sacrifice is written. Throughout the anime, Madoka watches helplessly from the sidelines as her best friend Sayaka sacrifices herself for a boy. And then Sayaka gradually loses herself as the truth about magical girls comes to light. We aren't just told how Madoka feels about it. We see and feel it ourselves. I could write an essay on how well-written Sayaka's tragedy is, but that's beside the point. The point is, Madoka chose the sacrifice rather than having it forced on her by the writers.

Sound familiar?

It should.

Gen Urobuchi, despite his reputation, took the time to respect Madoka's agency as a character. Thomas Astruc tears down Marinette every chance he gets. You can't get more telling than this.

3.) Prince Zuko

You're all probably gonna get tired of hearing me talk about Avatar: The Last Airbender. But then again, I'm pretty sure every ATLA fan has heard that in the years since the original show ended. I've mentioned him before when talking about Chloe's botched redemption, but I feel this is the perfect place to expand and discuss more.

Prince Zuko is what Chloe Bourgeouis should have been in the show. And no, his redemption didn't come out of nowhere. It was consistently foreshadowed throughout the show all the way from the very first episode. This is an essay all in itself, so I'll refrain from diving into detail. But the fact of the matter remains that Zuko is the gold standard for writing a villain redemption. I could point out Darth Vader as another example of a villain redemption. But where he had to die to redeem himself, Zuko didn't.

Zuko also had a better-written backstory that explained (not excused, there's a difference) his behavior at the start of the show. I can't claim to know what the MLB writers had in mind when writing Chloe, but I'm pretty sure Audrey Bourgeois was supposed to be the Ozai figure in Chloe's backstory. Which leads me to my next point:

Zuko wasn't forgiven right away.

Yes. You heard that right.

Zuko had to work to be forgiven by the people he had wronged. And guess what? He failed. If anyone remembers when Azula critically injured Aang and Zuko betrayed Iroh to the Fire Nation, you'll all know what I'm talking about.

Zuko fell during his redemption arc. But he got back up again. And he apologized — genuinely apologized — to the man he betrayed.

4.) Odd Della Robbia

Code Lyoko is a relic from the early 2000s eras of cartoons. And boy, could I write essay after essay on this show. But since we're talking about characters and such, we'll be focusing on this lovable jokester from the show.

Odd Della Robbia is what Chat Noir should have been if he had been in the hands of competent writers. Odd isn't just the perpetually hungry jokester of the group who chased the first pretty girl who caught his attention. He pulled his weight in the battles against the malevolent AI X.A.N.A. Be it through helping Aelita reach the Towers, fighting Specters in the real world, heck even fending off Sissi during her worst moments. Perhaps even more damning is how Odd, despite his less pleasant actions and habits, was more of a true friend to his group than Chat Noir is to Ladybug.

Yes, writers. You can write a jokester character beyond what comes from his mouth.

No, this doesn't mean you can let them harass everyone they come across.

Perhaps, I'm gonna say this a lot, even more damning is how Odd responds to the rejections from the various pretty girls he chases. He actually takes no for an answer. Shocking, isn't it. He chases a skirt, they say no, he moves on. And no, this isn't portrayed as romantic or heroic. It's portrayed just as it is. A hormonal teenage boy being prone to doing stupid things.

What teenager hasn't done something stupid thanks to their hormones?

5.) Susan Ashworth

(Content Warning: mature themes such as suicidal depression)

I'm venturing into mature video games here, admittedly. I couldn't quite find one from my childhood that stood out, so I browsed through some game playthroughs I watched years ago. Ultimately, I settled on Susan Ashworth from the 2012 game The Cat Lady. Astruc being a man shouldn't be an excuse for him writing Marinette and other female characters so poorly. Why? Because Susan Ashworth, and by extension the game she is from, was written by a man.

Funny. I know.

What's even more amazing is how the developer Remigiusz Michalski, who publishes his games under the label Harvester Games, tackled such serious topics such as depression and suicide. No, he didn't use them for shock value, as that's very commonly done very tactlessly. He handled them with maturity and grace. Susan isn't defined by her depression even though she successfully committed suicide in the opening of the game. She has moments of humor and snark, like in the scene where Mitzi is showing her how to use social media. It also helps that Michalski... actually knows what he's talking about, as it's stated in interviews that he worked as a nurse before he created the first game Downfall in 2009.

I can't stress enough the importance of research before writing. Astruc clearly has a lot of ideas he wants to shove into Miraculous Ladybug, but they all fall flat due to a glaring lack of research and preparation. I'm not saying go do gruesome things for your craft and stick to "write what you know". I'm saying know what you're getting into before you dive in. One glaring example I think everyone can agree was poorly handled was Qilin, thanks to plot with the racist ticket inspector.

Michalski clearly knew what he was doing when he wrote Susan's story. Astruc continues to flail in his attempts to keep Miraculous Ladybug relevant.

Honorable Mentions:

Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter - This is how you write snarky hero and sidekick duos

Jerry, from Totally Spies - Come on. You all knew as soon as I mentioned Code Lyoko that this guy would come up

Mandy, also from Totally Spies - She's very entertaining despite being the high school queen bee archetype. It also helps that she consistently faced punishment for her actions

Sissi Delmas, from Code Lyoko - I was gonna use her in place of Zuko just for the fact she showed other traits, such as her protectiveness of Milly during the zombie episode

Uncle Iroh - Do I even need to say it out loud?

KOS-MOS, from the Xenosaga trilogy - She's an excellent example of how to slowly unveil a character throughout the story

Tidus and Yuna, from Final Fantasy X - A really good example of how to write a romance into the story without dragging the plot down

Fiona Belli, from Haunting Ground - A bit polarizing, I know, but Fiona's friendship with Hewie is so heartwarming and grounding. Basically what Chat Noir should have also been to Ladybug

[magical-xirl-4]

If you could erase any character from Miraculous Ladybug, which character would it be?

The catch is you cannot say it's Adrien.

Chloe Bourgeouis 😹

[ayydrienagreste]

All of my Miraculous character art references so far. I’m doing 4 at a time trying to do different clothing styles and body types each time. Lila, Nino, Kim, and Ivan are next.

[thatbeluga]

do you think that the miraculous superheroes ever get canceled on their in-universe twitter. like you cannot tell me that miraculous-twitter doesn't fucking hate chloe. like there had to be an anti-queen bee tag that was trending at some point.

and like, akumatized villains? like do people try to hold them accountable for what they did as villains or is it recognized that their villain alter-egos aren't really them? Or do they get mad about certain victims reasons for getting akumatized (like if it was very public?) Like you can't tell me no one dragged the mayor for getting akumatized in Mega Leech.

idk i'm thinking about this concept too much

[mila-culous]

Alix: me no study

me no care

me go marry

a millionaire

*Drags Chloe by her hoodie*

[fusionholders]

Snake Noir and Dragon Bug: *happily sharing custody of a brain cell*

Multifox, Turtledove, and Queen Heart: *all fighting over a single brain cell*

Rambit: *went back in time and now has two brain cells*

Bengal Monkey: *has half a brain cell but he's happy*

Cantor: *has three brain cells and refuses to share*

[mme-dupaincheng]

I'm just saying, tony stark would definitely adopt adrien and chloe and it is a travesty he hasn't done so

[mystic-myrtille]

Heck even if Chloe actually had gotten a redemption arc, becoming a better person and apologized, Marinette still has the right to not accept her apology. None of the gorwth Chloe could've gotten justifies the suffering Marinette had to endure

Unpopular opinion.

Marinette not forgiving Chloe doesn't make her a bad person.

Chloe never apologised for making Marinettes life hell. Never accepted responsibility for everything she did. Continued to bully her and all her friends.

And when Marinette tried to give Chloe the benefit of the doubt and attempted to help her patch things up with Audrey, Chloe spat in her face and continued being the same racist entitled brat.

Forgiving somebody who refuses to accept responsibility and keeps abusing others isn't forgiveness, it's enabling.

So, yeah. Good for Marinette standing up for herself. I respect you girl. ❤️

[rnarichat]

so this is my hot take on the ml cast

[justrandomfanficideas]

15-Crossover

An Au where Chloe Bourgeouis and maybe a few others left Paris when the Akumas started appearing as they were always the target(of being blamed for the akumatizations or of becoming akumatized) and moved to Japan, a country full of heroes, villains and quirks(basically, not all countries/cities had people with quirks or were accepting of them).

They changed their names and create their own lives but when they are already adults with their own children, they are called back to Paris to help the Miraculous Team as a new villain appeared there and with Chloe's father knowing that they were all in Japan and would have more of an idea on how to deal with a villain then a group that only had to deal with one when they were teens, he called them for help.

Basically, I want Chloe and the others to be shown has badasses and for everyone to be shocked by who their spouses and children are.

Some of the ships that came to my mind for this for those who went to Japan were Chloe Bourgeouis(Mitsuki) x Bakugou Masaru, Sabrina(Inko) x Midoriya Hisashi but whoever decided to write this can use ocs for the ships or do whatever they want.

[bananagreste]

What are you going to do, super-newbie?

[furiousobservationtragedy]

I hate Zoe (from mlb), her entire character feels like it is being better than chole and let's not get started on how she feels very mary-sue-ish but recently it feels like the writers are trying so hard to make the fandom like her, I hate Zoe due to the very lack of characterization she has and the lack of work that writers put into her but still expect us to like her, there is no excuse for the lazy characterization of Zoe in the show, she had potential as a concept but the writers failed

Although I have not associated with the MLB fandom for some time, I do remember posts asking for people to give Zoe a chance every now and then, and that she's not a 'replacement of Chloe'.

The sad truth is that she does have potential if her character arc is drawn out more, but by resolving her conflict in one episode, and having her fulfill her goal of being an actress in the second one she's featured in, as long as giving her a miraculous at the same time, really defeats the efforts the writers put to have her replace Chloe.

One way I felt like would be a great way for her arc to play out is for Zoe to be kind and friendly to everyone when she's first introduced, being a complete opposite of Chloe, but afterwards, it's revealed that it was all a facade.

I'm not suggesting an evil Zoe route, of course, because sometimes people put on a persona without realizing it. Just imagine Zoe living alone with Audrey, and hating how her mother acts and worrying that everyone would think she'll act the same way, and then coming to Paris to escape those expectations, only to find that Chloe too is an infamous bully.

So she acts overly nice to be accepted, ignoring her own feelings, because if that's the only way she can establish that she's her own person and not another Bourgeouis, than so be it. Eventually, her negative emotions would continue to build up until Zoe lashes out at someone, and she would think that she ruined everything, and that would be the perfect chance for Hawkmoth (Shadowmoth? Monarch? Whatever Gabigail is calling himself now) to akumatize her.

And it would tie in the themes of acting, wanting to be accepted, and being tied to expectations due to family background too!