#charlieskies

[dnphan]

Was it Charlie skies you were thinking about? I feel he had said something like that before he tried to out dan on twitter

[anon is referring to this post]

no, but i do remember what your talking about! i searched for a while and i finally found a clip of what i was talking about in a phannie compliation of people talking bad about dnp (lol).

also i think it’s so funny how charlieskies hated dan so much but he has become so irrelevant that the first google result is about dan

like damn that’s gotta hurt

[ahappydnp]

you know you've been in this fandom for too long when you have a physical reaction to getting reminded of charlie, my right eye legitimately started twitching 💀

i don’t wanna start the charlie discourse again but i do think that the more time passes and the older a chunk of the community got people realized that he was just a very real person who was young and clearly struggling. like it wasn’t okay but also it got turned into this fictional story where people were directly talking to him trying to egg him on for entertainment

[goldenpinof]

(since you mentioned him) i joined the phandom about 6 months after the whole charlie thing, and one thing that confused me to this day is why on earth phil didn't immediately cut ties with charlie afterwards, because if someone tried to out my partner in front of millions of people, that person would be dead to me. but then again, it would have probably been too obvious at that point in time to do that immediately. idk, i just hope he got therapy and became a better person (and maybe even reached out privately to apologise)

good take. but i don't know what should happen for Phil to cut ties immediately with anyone. also, i think the internet was very different back then and Dan was identifying as bisexual, kinda. so by saying that he preferred holding balls Charlie wasn't specifically outing him. it was a joke, a bold one but still a joke, and it could be turned into an even more funny joke, but damn, it escalated pretty fast. that "private stuff" did more damage than balls imo. like, man, you can have a beef on twitter dot com and joke around but there are things that you shouldn't say unless you're a complete dickhead. and yes, Charlie didn't say anything in the end but the fact that he could only because Dan got snappy at some point.. it said a lot. but also they were in their early 20s, very hard times if you ask me. add attention seeking to usual problems with education, jobs, friendships and relationships overall. it's sad that Charlie didn't think that him revealing "private stuff" would hurt not only Dan but also Phil. and Phil was more of a friend than Dan. like, i really think that sometimes people don't think about consequences not because they are bad people but because they are stupid and adrenaline is flowing in their veins, and that was exactly it.

[thetrashthatsmilesback]

i watched a compilation of other youtubers complaining about DnP, and when the complaints weren't just "the phandom is annoying," they boiled down to:

DnP are both nice but are aloof/weird/insert other trait that makes talking to them at gatherings difficult.

Phil is nice but Dan's a Bitch who Doesn't Let Phil Talk To Other People (which... Phil is a grown ass man but okay. Maybe he just doesn't want to talk to you but whatever, sure.)

DnP are nice but they queerbait (ig now they're the ultimate queerbaiters since they own a house together lmfao)

DnP are nice but Phil is nicer and Dan is hotter (which,,, I honestly don't know why these clips were included but I'm going to take it as "They're both nice but Dan is more aloof" which is funny because that's a character trait he's said he has for years and as a fellow aloof bitch its very funny to me when people complain about it lmfaooooo)

I'm ngl, the amount of people who were in the compilation just because of the Phandom, or who's complaints boiled down to "DnP are both very nice but very awkward/aloof/stick to themselves" makes me think that they're generally nice and other people just don't understand that not everyone likes talking all the time lmfao

[danrifics]

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[slashthreat]

the thing about phan is we dont know exactly when they first started talking to each other but they became facebook friends 10 days after dan's (super fan of phil all up in his comments) 18th birthday and met in person four months later sooooo the math is mathing

[pseudophan]

fascinatingly it's hidden from search results on twitter and it doesn't show up in the replies of the original tweet but it is accessible if you have a link to it

after everything dan's deleted throughout the years the fact that this tweet is still up is wild to me

[achromatic-bot]

The goat demon was charlieskies.

[zackstriker]

just saw someone refer to charlieskies as “whoever tweeted that” (in regards to an old jealous dan interaction) and it made me realize newer phannies might not know the charlieskies tea

[alittledizzy]

Wow I haven't thought about charlieskies in a while. Maybe someone new to the phandom is learning the old history?

Yeah it could be!! I made a joke out of it because I used to post about Charlie regularly and it definitely pissed some people off.

For that anon/anyone that's curious, my opinion is that Charlie is someone whose actions were awful but who was also a person in his late teens/early 20s - which is a tumultuous age to begin with - that had serious mental health struggles and caved to some self-destructive impulses.

The fact that he left the internet and hasn't returned in any public capacity makes me really hope that he found stability and happiness offline, or at least recognized how destructive that behavior was and decided to remove temptation. Outing Dan was a horrible thing, and there's no excuse for that, but sometimes when people are struggling they just make really bad choices. I think very few people are just outright evil the way fandom tended to condem him in the past.

[awesamcozy]

crying im also a phannie verteran. the charlieskies and phil tldr (for anyone who doesnt wanna read that post) is that in late 2008 and a good chunk of 2009 (up until ~june when phil met dan who turned 18 like the week before phil added him as a facebook friend lmao) phil (21/22) was friends with this guy charlie (16/17) and they briefly flirted but never actually dated. but then charlie was still kinda hung up on phil and then in 2013 he went crazy on twitter and tried to out dan

You have been through fucking hell bro im genuinemy laughing so hard YOUVE BEEN THRU WAR

[freckliedan]

#there was also the charlieskies half-outing on twitter that happened #that was way smaller scale but it was like 2013. I think bryony and that artist theyre friends w whose name escapes me #convinced charlie to cut it out but i do remember learning abt that (tags via @milfygerard)

ough yeah thank you for bringing this one up barry! bryony's ex is wirrow. i consider all outings after the leaks to have been secondary to them but that's just me and they're still worth mentioning. i think chris crabstickz' posting about them at a certain point also qualifies, though i also really feel for chris in that situation w/ his mental health & presumably not knowing much about dnp's whole story.

Wait you reblogged something about dnp getting outed before the height of the careers? Did I miss something lol when were they outed

oh my god. i love that this is not something everyone knows anymore. but it's also absolutely fucking insane to me that this knowledge could potentially be lost. it's the biggest piece of context necessary for understanding them.

they were outed in 2011 on a smaller scale and again in 2012 on a massive scale, both times by the same video.

on september 17th of 2011 there was a platform wide glitch on youtube where, at random, a bunch of videos that had been uploaded and listed as private were suddenly unprivatized.

one of the videos that was unprivatized was a deeply earnest private message to dan that phil uploaded on february 13th of 2010, because dan was in india with his family and it was their first valentine's day together. there are a lot of intimate details about their early relationship in this video.

it gets called the vday or valentine's day video by phannies because it was titled ":3".

it was only up for a couple hours, but there are posts from phannies within that span. they reached out to people asking that it not be circulated with a poor cover story (that it was a prank they thought better of because it would be too mean).

people did not publicly circulate it for a period of time, but on halloween of 2012 it got posted publicly and got spread everywhere immediately. that's the second and more major outing.

in the years of like, 2013 thru the end of tatinof era at least but likely longer than that? if it got posted anywhere publicly it would get copyright struck by phil and removed. i don't have a definitive end date but the copyright strikes aren't still happening.

the leak is absolutely what lead to the peak era of dan and phil's closeting. understanding their need for control and how momentous it is that they trust us with anything requires knowledge of this context, imo.

i don't reccomend watching it. i haven't in some time.

i am open about the fact that i did watch it as a teenager in november of 2012, back when it was still circulating on tumblr. when i returned a couple weeks later to rewatch it, the entire blog i'd originally seen it on had been nuked for copyright infringement, and that wasn't uncommon for the era.

it was a really bad time in the phandom. dan briefly made a "customer service" sideblog & vehemently shut down people speculating on his sexuality/relationship with phil.

all of the archival information we have on dan and phil—the dailybooths, the formsprings, the old tweets, the videos they've taken off their channels, liveshows, vyous, etc? so much of that information was saved despite dan and phil trying to eradicate it in the immediate aftermath of the leak.

it's incredible that we still have it all, and even more incredible that images from phannie archives have made it into their videos several times from 2019 onward. their relationship with us has changed so drastically since 2012, in ways beyond what we could've imagined at the time.

yes, they were outed. that's the context for everything.

[goldenpinof]

opinions on charlieskies?

i mean, he disappeared from our radar but his twitter drama with Dan was entertaining as hell, ngl

[templeofshame]

[danrifics]

Speaking of Dan and Phil obscure lore

Do you remember that guy with a wolf hat that used to be friends (maybe boyfriends) with Phil all the way back in 2009 and once Phil got close to Dan the guy just unnecessarily hated Dan because he thought he stole Phil from him?

It's such obscure lore where there is barely any information on it so I wouldn't be surprised if very few know about it

are you talking about my arch nemesis charlieskies?

cos if i ever saw that man it’d be on fucking site 😂😩

[ahappydnp]

Imagine how hurt phil must've been that someone who called himself his friend and who probably knew that he was outed against his will and who also probably knew at least a bit about why Dan stayed in the closet back then would go and try to out Dan on twitter when he wasn't even close to being ready. No wonder he ended all contact with Charlie over this. Especially since charlie is not straight himself, why would someone ever do that? sorry for ranting this just still makes me so angry

He was struggling with his own mental health quite a bit and definitely wasn’t in the right head space. It was a really cruel thing to do, especially continuously.

With that being said, I think we should move on from this particular discussion as it’s just a bad situation all around and can be upsetting to some people.

Also, I’ve just been having a pretty shit week and would rather not dwell in the negativity when we’re living in such happy times ❤️🏳️‍🌈