#charles-jean-baptiste sanson

[subiysu-chan]

Have you talked about Charles Jean Baptiste Sanson before as an individual? If not yet, what are your insights/thoughts about him? As a father, lover, executioner, and individial?

Now, as an executioner, Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson was extremely skilled, with only one incident of butching (and that was not even technically his fault, but he still got punished for it). The incident in question happened this way: in 1751, there was a hanging to which Jean-Baptiste Sanson officiated. The rope snapped on him twice, and Charles-Jean-Baptiste thus decided to finish the job manually and then hang the man's corpse for good measure. He got incarcerated a few days after the event.

Now, the ideal executioner in the modern period could be described as "seurs, hardys, doux, courtois..." (sure, bold, gentle and courteous).

According to Frédéric Armand, he was helped by his younger brother Nicolas-Charles-Gabriel as early as 1737 (making Jean-Baptiste 18 and Nicolas-Gabriel 15-16). This does demonstrate a certain maturity for his age, since there was no note-worthy mess up on the scaffold, and Barré, to my knowledge, was still working on it, since the torturer at the time was Liénard. (And I already wrote about Barré previously).

("Les bourreaux de France, by Frédéric Armand)

Jean-Baptiste was also on the harsher side, "working" the condemned skin with a needle before branding, to insure the mark would be permanant, and taught his son to do so. ("Charles-Henri Sanson ; une vie de bourreau" by Jean-Michel Derex)

Also, in the Mémoires, Jean-Baptiste is described as strict but generous.

Here's Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson for you.

[cyniibar]

Innocent manga, worst husband material ?

Also, feel free to flood my inbox.

The question is, who are the characters I DON'T want to be married to. From greatest to least:

1. Soubise/Gaspard/Jean Baptiste: They're all equally just as bad. And you'll be a miserable wife. They won't skip a day to remind you that you're inferior to them in terms of gender, so that makes you inferior to them OVERALL. The usual of everyday is basically, daily brainwash, make baby, verbal abuse, emotional abuse, (Soubise/Gaspard definitely physical abuse), and you'll spend constant days contemplating your tragic life, and eventually you'd be pushed to a point where you're relying on the hope that committing suicide would be able to free you out of this life no different from a cattle's. If you go to hell for it, well, what's new? It won't compare to being married to them.

2. King Louis XVI: Dry ass marriage, with a dry ass husband. Awkward, weak, odd and childish. The only good side to him is he's the king, and weehee, his riches! He may be a kind, and devoted husband who cherishes his children. But I mean really, does that actually matter in the end? He ruled awfully and immaturely and before you know it, you and him are now being transported to the scaffold. Oh and your son is also being tortured and your daughter developed PTSD. Now I know it's not totally Louis Auguste's fault, the dynasty before him weren't any better either, but still...

3. Jean Louis: Obesity is his only bad side. But surprisingly I'd marry this cheerful lovely lump. He doesn't really suppress you from doing anything, (not that he can, poor man can't even get out of his bed). He also doesn't expect nor force you to follow any of your wife obligations. Just keep him fed, and you'll have a decent marriage. Though he is a greedy little glutton, Jean Louis isn't a lecher. He's sweet, devoted, and a good father. I love that he doesn't intervene in anything, he stays out of your way and you can almost continue on with your life as if you aren't married to anyone at all.

4. Charles Henri: He's a tender, loving husband who'd worship the ground you walk on. Yes, he had mistresses in the past before marrying you. Though now his affections are reserved for you and you only. Your marriage is healthy and strong. On the other hand, you can't really do much as the mother of his children. Like Jeanne, whether you agree or disagree on how your husband disciplines your children, tradition is tradition. The least you can do for your children is to offer them comfort after the end of their torture sessions with their father. He'll harden your sons into ideal executioners. And though it makes you proud, nothing will ever erase the mother's guilt of being unable to prevent your sons from suffering another wretched fate.

5. Alain: Definitely the best of them. You'd have a saint for a husband. He is the perfect epitome of paradise. It's heaven as long as he's by your side. Alain is compassionate and pure, overly so. I hope you don't mind sharing his love. Because his heart belongs to the whole world and so sadly, you won't be his priority. I assume he's the type to be absent a lot in your marriage, because he's always travelling and doing charity work. It doesn't mean he loves you any less, he writes to you often as he can.

[usergreenpixel]

JACOBIN FICTION CONVENTION MEETING 38: THE EXECUTIONER’S HEIR (2013)

1. The Introduction

Greetings, Citizens! Welcome back to Jacobin Fiction Convention!

So, we have a new book on display today, and luckily not on the chopping block, but more on that later.

This book was actually recommended to me a long ass time ago by @maggiec70 in the comments section of my announcement that I was NOT going to review Shinichi Sakamoto’s manga “Innocent” due to the detailed visuals of gore and torture depicted there and a barrage of inaccuracies that even I cannot stomach.

Luckily, @maggiec70 turned out to be my savior in recommending that I review THIS book instead. “The Executioner’s Heir”, written by Susanne Alleyn (yes, I AM using the author’s name because she deserves to be known!), tells the story of Charles Henri Sanson, an infamous executioner who had to execute many prominent people before and during Frev. While this book takes place before Frev and serves as an origin story for Sanson, I am counting it as Frev fiction anyway because it talks about someone who lived in that time period.

The book can be found on Amazon and Kindle, or borrowed on archive.org for up to 14 days at a time for registered users. Is it worth the money? Spoiler: It is, but let’s find out why.

Let the Jacobin Fiction Convention open!

(This review is dedicated to @maggiec70 , @montagnarde1793 and @on-holidays-by-mistake .)

2. The Summary

As mentioned above, the book tells the story of Charles Henri Sanson, the famous executioner who would go on to behead quite a few other Frev figures. This book is his origin story, showcasing how he became the executioner and the struggles he faced in his early life both from his lack of desire to do that job and society’s prejudices towards his profession.

3. The Story

I’m not going to spoil anything, but at first there are two concurrent storylines, one from the POV of Sanson and another from the POV of a young aristocrat called François Lefebvre de la Barre. Both are historical people, so those who know La Barre might know what will happen already, but I sure did not while reading.

Again, without spoilers, while their stories start out being simply parallel to one another, which might confuse uninitiated readers (like me) at first, this narrative decision pays off towards the end, when the stories of these young men finally overlap, so the decision to include both POVs retroactively makes a ton of sense.

The pacing does include time skips, but they are not jarring at all and the characters develop in a very organic way that makes sense for them. Speaking of which!

4. The Characters

I do like Charles Sanson’s character. He is a kind man who inherited his father’s trade of executioner simply because he doesn’t have a choice in the matter and he has to commence the gruesome duties at a young age due to his father’s unexpected stroke.

While at first Charles does wish to escape his duties and study medicine instead, he eventually has to accept his role in society and simply tries to make the best of an awful situation by trying to make sure that the executed people don’t suffer too much before dying. He also never fully comes to terms with the brutal methods of torture and execution used at the time and begins to question the status quo, wondering if he is an instrument of justice or a tool of brutality and oppression of Ancien Régime in general and the monarchy and clergy in particular.

Charles’s father, Jean-Baptiste, is a strict but caring father, protecting his younger children from the scorn of the society that treats them as pariahs, while also preparing his sons for becoming executioners because he knows they would have no other option and someone simply has to do that job. He also tries to shield the children who are too young from the entire truth of his profession until they are older and can comprehend more.

Jeannette Sanson, Jean-Baptiste’s second wife, is a secondary character who is more in the background, but she does have her role. Jeannette is as far from an evil stepmother archetype as you get and she too tries to shield Charles until he is older. She is a homemaker who finds her joy in motherhood and marriage, but she is also Jean-Baptiste’s confidant and cares for her family, including her stepchildren.

Marthe Sanson, the paternal grandmother of Charles, is a harsh woman who rules the household with an iron fist, but she is a realist who correctly points out to Charles that if he refuses to take over when his father is sick, the family will not have enough money to survive and pay the servants. While manipulative, strict and rude, Marthe is simply a realist who thinks she is doing what is best. It’s still satisfying when Charles finally stands up to her though.

Charles’s full sister, Madeleine, is his closest confidant while they are growing up. She is a realist like Marthe, but in a more gentle way and she matures rather quickly too.

François Lefebvre de la Barre, the second protagonist, is the 18th century equivalent of a drunken frat boy, constantly getting into trouble and doing stupid shit like mooning (showing his bare ass) the town’s mayor at night. He is simply a stupid kid but relatable as a character.

In general, Susanne Alleyn really knows her stuff when it comes to writing complex characters.

5. The Setting

Oh my goodness, the setting! The vivid description and the obvious enormous amount of research pay off and make the story that much more realistic and entertaining to read.

6. The Writing

The writing is superb. Luckily lacking modern slang that wouldn’t realistically belong in the setting, but not being too complicated for the modern reader. There are some French words used in the story, but their meanings are organically included in the narrative to avoid confusion.

7. The Conclusion

I know it’s entertaining when I trash bad fiction, but I’m very happy to say that this one is a book I actually enjoyed and read from cover to cover. So please, if you aren’t very squeamish about scenes of execution in France before the invention of guillotine and before the abolition of torture (during Frev), do check it out!

As for me, I am going to respectfully bow out and work on my university research paper. Thus, I declare today’s meeting concluded.

Stay tuned for future reviews!

Love,

Citizen Green Pixel

[unpunishablelamb]

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[subiysu-chan]

Oddly enough, the Royal Couple (Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette had okay parenting skills for nobility at the time).

Also, Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson and Jeanne Berger were probably decent parents given how many of their kids survived into adulthood. They did expose the kids to mob violence, but given the time period and social status, it was unavoidable. Although, Jean-Baptiste did marry off his daughter at sixteen to a stranger, it's unknown how much negociating he could do since he was freshly paralyzed and his perspective heir was a 14-15 year old klutz. (Legal age for being an executioner was 20 to 25).

For the record tho so many parents sucked

Robespierre’s dad sucked and dipped

Danton’s mom was at least neglectful, given he got gored in the face twice (I am being 85% facetious don’t @ me)

Talleyrand’s parents are going to shove him into the church due to his disability, apparently not caring that Talleyrand - look at Talleyrand. He’s not a churchman. He’s not. Look at him.

Something, something, on the other end of the political scale Marie Antoinette’s parents are going to ship her to France at 14 and I know it’s how monarchy rolls but like also that’s why we need to get rid of monarchy because that is some shit to the bull

Marquis de Sade’s mom abandoned him and resented him for ruining his political career at four (four!) and his dad openly hated him and oh boy Sade grew up into a sack of shit but, and this isn’t an excuse, but what do you think you’re gonna get

Idk it might be easier to have a poll like, “what figure born from 1740-1815 had a parent who was not a jerk?” “Which parent was the least shitty?”

(This is a response to banter with @enlitment!)

[marthajefferson]

history meme : 08/∞ men  |  Les  S A N S O N , executioners from father to son

Although being a vital part of the social order, executioners were pariahs who seemed in some ways a world apart. At church they were given their own pew ; at the bakery, they had a specific bread apart from others ; executioners married into other executioners’ families... This was the reality of the Sanson dynasty for almost two centuries. It began when, in 1675, Charles Sanson married the daughter of an executioner in Normandy, and thus started working alongside his father-in-law. Moving to Paris, Charles was officialy tasked with his first ‘solo’ execution in 1688 and became the official executioner of the french capital, starting a job that will remain in his family for generations. Upon his death in 1695, the patriarch passed the office to his son, also named Charles II (1681–1726). Then, the third Sanson to follow was Charles Jean-Baptiste Sanson (1719–1778) and served all his life as High Executioner. His eldest son, Charles-Henri —known as "The Great Sanson"— sworn into the office in 1778. Charles-Henri Sanson became the most prolific executioner of the family: firstly Royal Executionner of France for the King, he became High executioner of the Revolution. Contributing to the design of the notorious guillotine, he executed over 3000 convicted people. Charles-Henri' son, Henri, succeeded his father in 1795, for 35 years. After his death, his son Henri-Clément followed, and was the sixth and last in the dynasty of executioners, serving until 1847. The long list of people executed by the Sanson includes: Robespierre, Danton, the bandit Cartouche, Louis XVI, Marie-Antoinette, the fourth Bonapartist sergeants, Lavoisier, or Charlotte Corday.

[subiysu-chan]

RP starter.

@oleander-storyteller

Jean-Baptiste deligated the task of whipping petty thiefs whenever he could to his servants. But today was a particularly busy day in a busy week, as the shed needed some urgent repairs (and almost killed poor Charles-Nicolas on the head). Plus, he didn't want to get too much out of practice.

He walked down the back alley of the court room to meet the young convict for theft.

The petty thief that day was a cute little blond thing with verpiligo and freckles. An adorable little girl, really, who seemed swift and agile enough to do honest work. It was a good thing for her punishment, since it meant she could endure a lot. Probably a poor soul who could use saving, and being guided towards an honest life once the temptation was beaten out of her. Plus, he could use some more dexterous staff. He would think about it. He also wondered, that those agile fingers would be perfect if she would learn how to weave spidersilk, as it was a more human approche to closing wounds than depending on hot irons exclusively. Now, his mother and daughter did do some of the spider-weaving, but, there was only two of them, and they needed to do other things that did not involve spider-silk weaving.

"Hello. Your name, little miss ?"

[cyniibar]

Do you have any post-whipping "after-care" headcanons for Innocent characters ?

Hum, I can only imagine.... If the task is handed to them, they'd whip their assigned convicts.

For instance, Charles Henri and Jean Baptiste are a bit on the merciful side only if they're required to keep their victim alive a bit longer. They'd probably offer some kind of drug supplied from their household to restore the victim's strength a bit, or maybe even painkillers making sure they last till the end, post-whipping.

The sadists like Soubise and Marie, 'aftercare' doesn't exist in their vocabulary. There would be breaks in between the sessions before their bloodlust fires up again and back to more whipping until they're satiated. I don't know if their victims can ever survive their whipping. Victims are luckily dismissed if they ever did manage to stay alive. Soubise and Marie couldn't care less if you're missing chunks of flesh or writhing in agony in the end. Just pull yourself together and get the hell out of their sight before they began changing their mind. It won't be long till you're suffering with infections.

[subiysu]

The curious situation of the Sanson Fourth generation

There is a lot of strange behavior in this tangled family tree. I’ll go sibling by sibling, eldest to youngest

Madeleine-Claude-Gabrielle Sanson, 

Eldest child of Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson and his first wife Madeleine Transon. We know very little of her, but the few details we have are...Interesting. She was born in circa 1738 and married Pierre Hérisson in 1754, at the young age of fifteen. Now, here is the interesting part. This probably was not a love marriage, since he was at least 10 years older than her and lived in another city (which ment they had even less opportunity to let them know each other). 10 years isn’t a huge age gap for an adult, but she was only sixteen. Also, it is important to note that the average age of marriage at the time was not so different from today. But, for an arranged marriage, it didn’t really benefit her family that much. He was poorer than the Sanson family, and he took none of her brothers as apprentices. They had one daughter: Marie-Madeleine Geneviève Hérisson, born in 1762, when her mother was 24 years old. She herself married in 1779 to her own uncle Louis-Cyr-Charlemagne Sanson. Now, why Madeleine was married to this Pierre Hérisson, the most likely explanation to me was that her family wanted to put her out of the reach of her father’s rivals (who was handicapped at the time), who may or may not be the most scrupulous in the means to achieve their end. They were a case were the rival of an executioner beat his rival’s children in an attempt to provoque them into doing something illegal. She died in 1779, age 41.

The second child of Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson and his first wife Madeleine Transon was Charles-Henri Sanson, born in Febuary 1739. He and he sister lost their mother the following year. At around age of 10, he was sent to a boarding school in Rouen. The boy seemed to enjoy himself there (I do have my doubts on the subject) until in 1753, his identity was recognized. He was expelled. His father tried to sent him to another school, but it didn’t last long (maximum a few months). Then, he studied at home under an certain abbé Grisel as a tutor. He also began to assist his father full time as oposed to seasonally and very occasionally. He quickly gained the reputation for being extremely clumsy on the scaffold. In winter 1754/1755 , his father was hit by a stroke, leaving his clumsy 15 year old son as his replacement. To be fair, the techniques taught by Jean-Baptiste required a lot of cordination, which his eldest son lacked.  It went...not this well. In 1757, he proceeded to the quartering of Damien. He was still kind of clumsy on the job until his fourties. In the mean-time, in 1766, he married Marie-Anne Jugier after a history of scandalous affairs with loose women and men, for that matter. There was also rumors about him continuing to have affairs with aristocrates even after his marriage. He officially became executioner in 1778, a few weeks before the death of his father. (Mind you, at the time, Jean-Baptiste was severely handicapped and couldn’t harm a fly.) His wife gave him two sons (Henri, born in 1767 and Gabriel born in 1769) (the existance of the second is debated by historians), and potencially a daughter (who may or may not have existed, simply was not his daughter). When the Revolution hit, Charles-Henri was an advocate of the guillotine, for practical and humanitarian reasons. In 1792, a tragedy hit the family: the accidental death of Gabriel by a particularly clumsy incident. The Revolution had slowly eaten away at M. Sanson’s sanity, due to the sheer number of executions (the Royal family, the Terreur and many victims of political intrigue, including one of his ex-lovers, Madame Dubarry). The execution of a certain Cécile Renault, along with fiftie other people (chosen specifically for their innocence), for attempted murder of Robespierre, in an attempt to descridit him, really drived Sanson over the edge. Cécile Renault was very child-like, both in terms of looks, intellect and personality, which could have struck his more parental cord. He eventually quitted his job in 1795, due to a nephretic colic. He died in 1806, after seeing his two grand-children and spending the last decade of his life in physical and mental . 

The third child of Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson and the first child of his second wife Jeanne Gabrielle Berger was Louis-Charles-Martin Sanson, born in 1744. He is in my eyes, the least sympathetic of this brotherhood. Little is known about his youth exept that he served as an assistant to his half-brother  until 1768, were he became executioner of Tour, and later Auxerre. He married his second wife in 1787, who was quite an agressive woman and the brother of an volunteering executioner. Unlike his brothers, Louis-Martin led a politically active career were he joined an extremist revolutionary tribunal in Tour, at the expense of his primary duties, causing a lot of butched executions. When he was (finally) arrested for his professional faillings and his sympathy for Hébert, his wife defended him quite wildly, and ended up reclaiming the head of a high placed man named Chalmel. He also got a post somewere in the South of France. It didn’t turn too well for him, since the prejudice against his profession was much stronger in the Midi. Instead of telling like an intelligent problem that he had trouble getting in and out of his house, he invented some story about being alergic to the Meditteranian climate. Naturally, it wasn’t believed. He died in 1817, leaving behind his wife and his adult son. 

The fourth child of Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson and the second child of his second wife Jeanne Gabrielle Berger was Nicolas-Charles-Gabriel Sanson II (he had an uncle of the same name), born in 1745. He became an assistant to his brother until 1765, were he became executioner of Versailles as a replacement of his uncle of the same name. He gave this office to his older brother Charles-Henri in 1778, to take the post of questionnaire of Paris, in succession to a mysterious, not quite alive Jean-Baptiste Barré. He remained in this place until the abolition of judicial torture by Louis XVI in 1780. He kept assisting his older brother until he obtained the post of Blois in 1795, then Montpellier. He married during this year a certain Anne Françoise, devoid of surname, widow of François Fromentut. Nicolas-Charles was unable to keep any post long due to his love of the bottle. He died in 1800, of one too many alcohol poisonings.  

The fifth child of Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson and third child of his second wife, Jeanne Gabrielle Berger was Louis-Cyr-Charlemagne Sanson, born in 1748. He was famous in his life for two things, one being the husband of his own niece and two, his diplomatic activities during the French Revolution. He began assisting his older brother Charles-Henri in 1760 at the age of 12. Although, how and why he was kept around his incompetent's older brother who routinely faced the risk of being lynched is frankly beyond me, especially given the fact he had a competant and adult brother-in-law. He became executioner of Provins in 1768, age of 20. In 1779, he married his own niece, who was 17 at the time, maybe during his sister’s funeral, at age 37. He became a widower in 1784, and eventually remarried a certain Marie Fare Gendron in 1792. It is more towards the Revolution that his life became...interesting. And by interesting, I mean dangerous. He became executioner of Versailles in 1790, after his post was abolished. Fearing for the future of his profession, he along with his half-brother, became the representatives of their social class, constantly doing a moutain of paper work to insure the future of themselves and their colleagues, and preferably, prevent the nomination of sadistic individuals. In the 10th of August 1792, he was imprisonned as a suspected royalist, along with two of his brothers. They were all released but he was imprisonned again at the prison of Abbaye, only to get out two days before the Septembre Massacres. After his release, he was buzier than ever before. He died in 1794, leaving behind his adult son and grand-children in abject poverty, without saving their reputation. 

The sixth child of Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson and fourth child of his second wife Jeanne Gabrielle Berger was Marie-Josephe Sanson, born in 1751. In 1773, she married her first cousin Jean-Louis Sanson at the age of 22, who was competant on the scaffold but bad at paper work. She became a widow in 1794 and became a washer woman until her death in 1813. She would be one of the rare members of the family to eventually get out of infamy on her own merits. 

The seventh child of Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson and fifth child of his second wife Jeanne Gabrielle Berger was Pierre-Charles, born in 1753. We don’t know when he died. He assisted his older brother Charles-Henri, then went to live in Eastern France as a riffleur, leading a discreet, lonely and honest life until his death. 

The eighth child of Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson and sixth his second wife Jeanne-Gabriel Berger was Pierre-Jean-Baptiste Sanson, born in 1754 and who died young. 

The nineth child of Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson and seventh his second wife was Joseph-Claude Sanson, born in 1757 and who died at the young age of 22 in 1779, age 22, no spouse, no children, no charge. 

Gabrielle Sanson, youngest of the bunch, was born probably a year later. She probably died as an infant. 

Sources: 

DESMOREST, Michel et Danielle, “Dictionnaire historique et philosophique des bourreaux”

DELARUE, Jacques, “Le métier de bourreau, du Moyen Âge à aujourd’hui”

ARMAND, Frédéric, “Les bourreaux de France, du Moyen Âge à l’abolition de la peine de mort.”

MARCHAL, Gilles, “Bourreaux de Travail”

http://racineshistoire.free.fr/DOC/PDF/Dynasties-de-Bourreaux.pdf 

My history of the Renaissance course

The channel “Revue du monde”, a historical vulgarisation channel.

Also, this family tree website: https://gw.geneanet.org/geneavendeemili?lang=en&n=sanson&oc=0&p=madeleine+claude+gabrielle

https://gw.geneanet.org/antistar?lang=en&n=herisson&oc=0&p=marie+madeleine+genevieve

https://books.google.ca/books?id=6wdYK4KpO04C&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=charles-henri+sanson+n%C3%A9phr%C3%A9tique&source=bl&ots=bT6lYyNh1Z&sig=ACfU3U0WSOnLIzxAmaggCtG1J7ZNHtnDcg&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGz7-RjezvAhUIQ80KHdG4AsMQ6AEwD3oECAUQAw#v=onepage&q=charles-henri%20sanson%20n%C3%A9phr%C3%A9tique&f=false 

[unpunishablelamb]

Do you have any father-son headcanons for Jean-Baptiste and Charles? I don't remember if I already sent you this ask or not.

Headcanons for Jean-Baptiste and Charles Henri

A/N: I combined the two since i thought they’d go well together i hope you like it!

-I feel like Jean-Baptiste recognises himself in Charles a lot

-Jean-Baptiste also used to be a quite sensitive boy deep down as a child overcome with the desire to live up to his family name and to please his mother

-He feels empathetic for him but then again he buried his genuine feelings under this mask of callousness

-I can imagine that he is extra hard on his education and training because of those issues in his past

-Charles on the other hand can’t understand any of his fathers motives although he notices how harsh his father treats him, even harsher than his siblings

-He’s on a fine line between resenting him and being afraid of him, a part of him although wishes he could make him proud

-I feel like Charles has many nightmares that include his Father

-For those headcanons I could imagine that Charles talks in his sleep, Jean-Baptiste passing the door of his chamber late at night, thinking he was talking to someone only to find out about the truth

-Jean Baptiste would feel guilty for impacting his son in a way that’s so mentally damaging that leaves him with nightmares of him but he tries to talk himself into thinking that this is what’s best, not only for him but for the family, for France

-The next morning he would most likely, be even more callous towards Charles, needing the distance so he won’t give into his foolish heart

[monsieur-de-paris]

A VERY DESCRIPTIVE PROFILE OF YOUR MUSE. repost with the information of your muse, including headcanons, etc. if you fail to achieve some of the facts, add some other of your own!

NAME. Charles-Henri Sanson

NICKNAME(S).  Charles, Charlot, Little pup (by Joker)

TITLE(S). Monsieur de Paris, Grim Reaper (by the populace)

AGE. Verse-dependent between 14 and 60+, but I usually go with early to mid twenties, because of his canon portrayal at that age.

SPECIES. Human

GENDER. Cis male

ALIGNMENT. Lawful Good

INTERESTS. Music, reading, human rights, sex

PROFESSION. In canon : executioner (and doctor on the side), in modern verses only a doctor

BODY TYPE. Skinny, but athletic and well-trained

EYES. Grey, doe-eyed

HAIR. Black, thick, very long, healthy & shiny

SKIN. Pale, hands and lips are usually cold to the touch

FACE. His eyebrows are too light to be visible; and even though that’s supposed to make people look emotionless, it definitely doesn’t work for him. He has very strong emotions and they written all over his face. He is also quite beautiful.

HEIGHT. 6′5″ | 195cm yes he is a tree

VOICE: High. He could sound pretty squeaky when he is upset or when he speaks more energetically, but he usually speaks in a soft, shy tone. 

COMPANIONS. Verse-dependant, in canon: Marie and later his wife Anne.

ANTAGONISTS. Nope

COLORS. White, black, blue, red

FRUITS. Strawberries, grapes

DRINKS. Tea, coffee

ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES? Wine & Champagne are his favourite.

SMOKES? No

DRUGS? In canon: definitely not. However, in modern verses, I can totally see him trying everything out and participating in very kinky stuff while high. The “how did I end up in a room with ten masked naked people?” kind. The boy hasn’t really lived until his mid twenties, of course he’d want to try everything out.

DRIVERS LICENSE? Nope

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[subiysu-chan]

En effet, même si il y en avait pire...Comme le comte de Charolais ou le prince de Conti, par exemple.

Je travail surtout avec le second tier du XVIII, avec le travail sur l'échaffaud de Charles-Jean-Baptiste et de Charles-Henry Sanson.

Aussi, il est tout à fait compréhensible que les libertins soient dégoûtés du Marquis de Sade.

Au passant, je lis un mémoire écrit par/pour les frères Ferey, exécuteurs, (Archives Nationale) afin de défendre leurs intérets (genre droit de vote, ça date du tout début de la Révolution, décembre 1789, Cote 101). Dans ce mémoire, j'ai la vague impression que l'auteur est incapable, ou offusque de l'être, incapable de distingué entre les gens qui tenaient les supplices en horreur pour des raisons humaines des des personnes à préjugés. Raciaux, si on utilise le mot "race" au sens de dynastie.

Bon, ce dit mémoire les accuse aussi d'avoir de mauvais penchant que seul la peur des supplices empêche d'assouvir.

Bref, est-ce que cette incapacité à distinguer les préjuger discriminatoire d'une opposition aux supplices était normale au XVIIIème siècle ? Je crois que je devrais peut-être aussi me conseiller auprès d'un universitaire.

J'essaye de me renseigner sur les moeurs de l'époque pour faire une compairaison plus juste entre la famille Sanson et les autres riches familles de leur époques, voir d'autres exécuteurs dynastiques. Pour l'instant, mes découvertes penchent plutôt à les rendre sympathiques. À savoir, que leur faible taux de mortalité infantile est anormal pour la noblesse, mais tombe tout à fait dans les statistiques d'autres riches marginaux de leur temps, tels que les banquier juifs (dixit George Duby et ses collaborateurs).

Ce qui rend l'écriture qui en est fait dans le manga Innocent assez improbable.

Erratum: j'ai graindit en Ontario et fini mes études au Québec. Parce que c'est bien tard cher moi. Si j'ai écrit des bêtises, corrigez-moi.

I don't want to sound like an apologist for anything but I feel like it should be acknowledged that the question of morality in different periods of history is complex and not easy to answer.

If you do say things like 'marrying an underaged person was totally okay back in the 1700s so what they did was totally fine actually' it definitely does ring alarm bells (as it should!)

That is not the exactly the same thing as saying 'considering the historical context of the era this person lived in, their behaviour would have likely not been considered too far out of the ordinary'. And I believe you can probably replace this with people's views of slavery or domestic violence and get to a pretty similar thing.

Is it dark and depressing? Sure. It's also, to the best of my knowledge, often fairly accurate.

I mean, I would have to do an actual research on this particular question to make any more definite statements. But just look at Ancient Greece's societal norms concerning relationships. That is definitely a challenge any historian needs to grapple with, but saying that every other man living at that time was a monster just isn't very useful, and doesn't feel like great academic work either.

Sometimes you would need to take a step back and try to look at these issues with more of a dispassionate curiosity to try and understand them. (As with Ancient Greece - what role did these relationships served? How did they influence the Greek culture? The structure of Greek society? etc.) That doesn't mean you renounce your own sense of right and wrong.

I feel like the best approach would be to acknowledge your modern perspective and clearly mark it in the text (something like 'by our modern standards, this would of course be seen as...' or even focus on writing articles from the perspective of the affected/opressed). But then also write about the way such behaviour would have been viewed in the time it took place. This does not, in my opinion, excuse the behaviour - it just helps to put it in the necessary context.

The bonus of this approach is that it allows the historian to highlight when someone's behaviour is genuinely considered morally reprehensible even by the standards of the time (something like 'even in a misogynistic society, his treatment of women was marked as particularly reprehensible' -> well better than that but it's also midnight, I'm tired and I'm sure you get my point).

There is also the possibility that some behaviour that is considered totally okay today will be seen as completely reprehensible by someone reporting on it hundreds of years from now. Something to keep in mind as a historian.

TL;DR definitely don't want to excuse any problematic behaviour but I think we should treat the question of moral norms in history as the complex and difficult issue it is, rather than jumping to conclusions

(also saying that someone's opinion is automatically unworthy because they haven't taken history classes at a university level just feels kind of elitist. Sure, an understanding of historiography and a critical approach are incredibly important, but it is not impossible to get at least the basic idea just from your own reading. And in any case, it is better to explain it rather than to dismiss the person's opinion altogether.)

[gallowking]

Lords of fluffy for Charles.

It seemed like something utterly impossible.

Both Sanson’s, sitting together among a diverse set of servants such as themselves. Some of them, myths. Others, known soldiers, Kings, and heroes. Neither of them were considered any of the above, and yet here they were, settled comfortably on the eve of Christmas.

Charles-Henri knew, his father still wasn’t used to such a setting. He still saw the uneasiness of the man, but he had been making attempts to ‘go with the flow’. There was nothing to fear here on such a holy day.

The present that Charles-Henri picked out laid softly upon his father’s lap. Inside, were a nice pair of shoes that he had picked out for his father to wear. He knew, his father was still glad and prayed that he could walk instead of being paralyzed like in their life before Chaldea.

“Joyeux Noël, père.” Sincerely, the executioner had smiled at Jean-Baptist. Not only as heroic spirits, but as father and son.

[sansonservantarchive]

“N-no....don’t....”

With hair stuck to his face from sweat, Andre was in bed; It was the result of a flu that slowly attacked Andre's body until he suddenly collapsed one day while observing Marie perform an execution through the breaking wheel. During that summer afternoon, prior to the execution, Andre felt light-headed, but brushed it off as the effect of the heat. Even as Andre positioned himself in an area where he watched over his young master, while also staying in a spot that could cool his head, he still felt faint and dizzy. He stood his ground while Marie broke the convict's bones to the roar of a mob, and André's knees gave out once he saw Marie step down the platform.

Brought to his bed at the Sanson estate, with Charles-Henri as the new master ever since Jean-Baptiste to recover from his illness, Andre continued to be plagued by fever dreams.

[bourreau-de-roi-blog]

My personal choice of theme music for the Monsieur de Paris: Charles-Henri Sanson - “La Pompe Funèbre” from Jean-Baptiste Lully’s tragédie en musique Alceste.

This opera precedes Charles-Henri’s time, as Lully was a court composer for Louis XIV, but the somber funeral march depicted in the piece works well for an executioner. Charles-Henri is a man whose fate is dictated by his forefathers. As the Fourth Generation bourreau, a piece from the era the first Sanson took up the mantle of an executioner is an apt representation of how he is trapped by a life predetermined for him. The weeping motif in the melody is an appropriate portrayal of his inner turmoil. The rolling of drums beneath the lamenting strings and winds can be seen as the unease and defiance he exhibits in his younger years yet learns to pretend to have shed later in his life. 

This took a while, but at last I have proper music for this muse.

[universallyladybear]

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