#chara do not consider themselves a part of this and hate it
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Also I might have to consider my status as being okay with doubles? I think I'm semi okay but just now I've seen someone interacting as a double (not with me but with a moot) and I felt really averse to it and weird. Also I'm DEFINITELY really uncomfortable with my kintypes being misgendered, not really with my own pronouns but with the pronouns I used as that kin in source.
Also I think we're all just averse to people with the same source unless it's someone in our system?? Something like that. Within our own system it's okay because we talk and we have understandings that sometimes we're just the same kintype but from different "AUs" of that source (Eg. Jack & Sean, Pansy & I) but when it comes to others it's.. kind of nerve-wracking.
Want to vent below but if you're a moot don't read it please. Also trigger warning for Undertale Genocide.
It's especially nerve-wracking when they think that you're the reason behind their suffering in source but you're not. That wasn't you. And you know that fanon really made it seem that way but the nuance in source doesn't say that. It wasn't your fault but their personal canon is probably affected by ye olden fanon so!!! You can't really fault them for that!! But god does it always feel horrible!!!
Like yeah, I don't have memories of how the fandom treated me but that doesn't change the fact that the demonization of Chara in the fandom is actually an important part of my relationship with that kin. Chara is me. They hated me. Everyone hated me. Blamed me. Said it was my fault. It wasn't my fault, okay??? They blamed me for what THEY did.
And it doesn't have to do with the moot I don't want seeing this but I think it's just so.. triggering. It must be a trigger. Because every time I see Chara demonization in the present I can't help but just feel so.. targeted. Maybe this is why I, personally, am kinda averse to sourcemates outside of sys. I can't trust that they'd see the nuance in me. I'm not some evil demon who likes knives and speaks in red text. I was a child. And Frisk was my best friend.
And when they did the No Mercy run in my source memories, it was like they weren't themselves. I tried to stop them, tried to argue with them. But seeing everyone we had spared now be killed and destroyed? All just turned to dust??? As if that'd do anything but break me down into nothing. I was worse than when I first fell into Mt Ebott. Especially after Frisk dying so many times during the Undyne and Sans fights. It hurt to watch them die but it also hurt to watch them kill.
Yes, I finished Sans off for them and Flowey, too but do you blame me? I just wanted everything to be over. I had grown numb and spiteful and enraged. With Sans, I was just trying to put him out of his misery so this shit could just end already. With Flowey, that was me lashing out. That's why I kept going and going. I was distressed. If I was really a killer one would have been enough like with Sans but I was just so upset and lashed out.
And then when it was all done, I finally saw it. But not Frisk, no. "Player". I don't remember their name, it was incomprehensible to me. And I remember when I looked up at them, all I could see was a blinding light in the form of a large rectangle. Something larger than life. Clearly just the light peeking in from their screen but I didn't know that. And I figured that they finally got what they wanted so I would pretend to be on their side before betraying them like they betrayed the monsters-- my family. But they just thought they could turn time back and just??? Do it all again??? Without any consequences????
So I took their soul. A small portion of it, probably. If I actually took the player's soul it'd be much too big for the "game". Or maybe I took Frisk's soul? Something like that because after that, Frisk was never the same. I was never the same. After that, they did a soulless pacifist and I just.. everythings a blur after that.
-Sebastian
#sebastian#rambles#sebastian > rambles#vents#Sebastian > vents#fishbonesys don't look#<- For No Mercy Run mention
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Thank you for your response <3
I also imagine them as switches, though I do lean to Kaohika more… it’s just that, when you see fanfictions and fanarts of them, in my case I was almost horrified— at the way people take the uke thing way too far (it’s just an act, and like you mentioned, even if Kao likes to be doted on, he doesn’t have to be ukefied to be like that) and the way he’s feminized just make me want to show that he can also take the lead/be in charge (even if mostly in private) like in ep. 15 ;; They also confirmed it themselves in the first volume, that while it seems that Hika takes the lead, it’s the more mature Kao that drives the action/is the same (depends on the translation), and it may sound personal, but I hate it when he’s made all feminine— like with his Cinderella metaphor (and Hika and Kao always cross dress together), or the fact he ACTS as the uke, and that was only by chance— because when they initially joined the host club, Kao accidentally burnt his finger for real, and Hika was holding him, genuinely concerned— and then they realized that the girls love it so that’s how the act started in the first place.
oh, yea i remember back when id read a bunch of fics of them after my anime rewatch a few yrs back i was like oh thats.. hm,, ;;; cuz id found a few where kaoru was a bit Too uwu uke iirc tho quite a few of them were p old & from when that was the Norm so i just accepted that some fics were products of the times &/or written by younger fans, as lets face it ouran was & still probably is 1 of the entry level animes. i actually dont consume all that much content of them tho (i only read fics Occasionally [this goes for all fandoms] & theres not much art for them in the eng sphere & i dont follow/kno any jp ouran accs on twitter or use pixiv) so that combined w my bad memory of what i Hav seen means im a bit Unknowing of most fanon for them.. lmao... i figured most of the stuff like that was mostly left behind as of a few yrs ago but perhaps not..?
I can't speak much for the feminizing thing bc I can't recall too many fanworks ive read where that was an issue iirc? tho tbf I can't remember much of what I've read at all bc tht was Yrs ago rip sry ;; I Do think they should be portrayed crossdressing Together more often! it'd be cute; let hikaru be in a cute dress too (I may be biased on everything tho I'm a femboy liker thru & thru lol so I'm like more boys in dresses?? Epic im in lol) softer=fem clothes? False- in this house it doesn't matter the boy type; Get In The Dress lol.
but yeah that doesn't mean he's constantly like that... a princess roleplay or 2 or letting hikaru take care of him, maybe, not unlike ppl w rp aspects to their relationships (like how brats aren't brats Always! time & place, etc etc. someone choosing to be bratty in private doesnt mean theyre gonna act like that 24/7) but it's a little sad if people reduce him to his act all the time...
I don't think I mind ppl playing w the princess thing tho considering it Is a part of his chara, but the whole thing was supposed to focus more on the magic of an illusion shattering eventually & losing what he has not quite a princess & prince... ;; but he Was almost/p much comparing himself to a princess' story & when the magic breaks & he's metaphorically left in his simple flats & princeless instead of the lavish life he had at "the ball" [cinderella metaphor. there is no ball, im aware] so it can't be helped if ppl like the princess association i guess.. give ppl an inch & theyll go a mile, & all that. & honestly w hikaru "saving" [ep 15]/"finding" [ep 21] kaoru twice in canon, it doesn't surprise me if they imagine hikaru as his prince & kaoru the princess since while the metaphor was more abt the whole host club not jus hikaru, hikaru was also a big part of it, as the eps focusing on it display his longing looks at his brother & such, w a fesr of losing Him the most. so long as ppl don't Reduce him to his feminine metaphor 100%, i guess. tis only a small part after all, not a loadbearing one. the angst is more the important bit lmao give him a masc cinderella outfit, even. (altho... the allure of a bishie in a dress... Very Enticing to most I'm afraid)
him always having to be the uke role thing in their host act is kind of out of the fans control bc that's canon... if he's content w his act of being that way, then power to him I guess! he himself might also like that in public he's all uwu kyaaa hikaru <3 while at home it's Hikaru who's nuzzling into his throat. a smug sort of feeling, ya know? that only he gets to see hikaru like that, not everyone else.
WAIT actually as I was typing this I remembered some scene from thee movie shoot ep [ep 4, apparently] where they mentioned 1 of them being the receiver or w/e (bc sports) & it was apparently hikaru annoyedly asking why kaorus the seme in the script w their changed charas (hikaru being all "KAORUU OAO" & kaoru gently reassuring him, which is like their actual dynamic instead) w kaoru replying in a similar manner going "yeah >:T"

which implies either he Likes/is fine w his uke role or at least doesn't think the fangirls would like them switching up & wants the status quo to stay the same just in case. I think if he did mind he wouldntve said anything? or even suggested to hikaru that switching up provides something fresh & "it's still doki doki twincest, hikaru~ these girls have a refined taste; they might just take a liking to gap moe ^^"
but those r the 2 charas theyve allowed to be chosen for themselves, in a way, & theyre like yea this is alright. rhey prov have an "if it aint broke dont fix it" mentality & since the girls expect the typical, they see nonreason to deviate. the twins are capable of speaking out- theyd prob speak up if they minded. also, kaoru might kno that hikaru might not want to be seen as vulnerable [ep 16 comes to mind tho that had more to do w circumstances going on at the time] so kaoru takes that upon himself & bears that burden upon his perceived character [as in the way one is seen, not his host club persona] so hikaru won't mind as much? idk im going off on a tangent I feel but I think the thing w "kaoru Having to be the public uke" isn't all that bad since he himself seems fine w playing around w that character. maybe one day they'll switch it up for fun. (not Literally, as technically they could have hikaru play as kaoru but it would still be seen as "kaoru", but I mean For Reals have hikaru as the uke)
in conclusion... to the fandom: pls accept soft dom kaoru into ur hearts & rewatch the twins' eps w fresh eyes I guess. love, @/hitachiincest & @/zyrellla (ghsnkmj lolol)
#THIS GOT LONG IM SORRY ORZ I wrote this up while I had nothing but time on my hands so as always my brain just Ran Off With Shit lmao#I feel as if this is a whole lot of Nothing?? my response I mean! not ur ask!! I have a tendency to prattle while losing the meaning of the#conversation sry. my inherent ability to just start spouting shit... @ me: & The Crowd Goes Mild!! Bros Onto Nothing!! /meme ref#asks#long post
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@fransweek Day 7 - Valentines!!
Finally, in the middle of this week's rush (i was busy with my work 😅) i managed to finish this years Frans Week! It didn't turn out the way I imagined it, but i did it!
It makes me really happy to see all these talented artists here, and I really appreciate it, it was so much fun!
See you next year with more!
#frans#undertale frans#fransweek 2023#sans x frisk#undertaleau#underground club au#I LOVE EVERYTHING#THAT INVOLVES SANS AND FRISK#thankyou sooo much for organizing this event!!#well this used to be two different comics#and i didn't plan the panels though so it became a mess#i absolutely LOVE the concept of sans being deeply in love but not telling anyone about it because#and turn out that no he cant#And that's when your best friends come to the rescue!#chara do not consider themselves a part of this and hate it#but they are the voice of reason#even bullying sans
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How do you feel about the fact that people still try to separate flowey from asriel?
THANK U FOR THIS ASK I THINK ABOUT THIS A LOT!! honestly i think it comes from a genuine misunderstanding of floweys character, which tends to happen a LOT to complex antagonists like him. like the whole Point of his character is how trauma can change a person and what they take away from what they went through... i think asriel before he became flowey is very different from flowey but in the way someone who is deeply traumatized would separate their life into two parts: before and after trauma. i think the biggest reason this happens so often is specifically cuz asriel says not to think of him and flowey as the same person. asriel doesnt want to accept that he Is flowey and how his grief changed him for several reasons....
its pretty. upsetting. to come to terms with the kind of grief hes going through, firstly. he blames himself for charas death and for breaking everyones hearts and taking away everyones hope. he loathes himself and who he has become. i think the other part to it is the way he feels about his parents and still being alive... he sees the way toriel treats asgore who has killed less than flowey and ive said this plenty of times but i dont think flowey could take it if toriel hated him. while i dont think toriel Would hate him, flowey is still too scared to ever risk her knowing her own son is a murderer. its particularly upsetting to him because no one can even remember what hes done.. he has all this self hatred bottled up and simultaneously wants others to push him away for it because he feels thats what he deserves but hes also incredibly lonely and would be devastated if that did actually happen.
i was about to go off on a tangent about how clever it is to use timelines as a metaphor for living with ptsd BUT i will not get into that thats another post for another time...... but Anyway i think asriels fights themselves show his whole character!! he wants to feel something for anyone but is too scared to risk vulnerability and getting rejected so he just keeps you there forever if you like it or not because then he can justify possible rejection. something i think about a lot is if you replay the neutral end enough times he considers that maybe you really Do want to be friends with him, but Immediately gets scared of that possibility and decides that No You Actually Just Want To Use Him Like A Toy And Then Throw Him Away When You Get Bored. oh flowey........
i also think theres also a big disconnect with his identities as flowey and the prince of the underground. flowey feels that he can never truly bond with anyone because of how numb his trauma has made him feel. he doesnt think anyone can understand how he feels... hes extremely apathetic towards everything but especially relationships with others,, he probably doesnt feel its fair to anyone who genuinely wants to be friends with him, because he has an extremely hard time feeling that way towards others. i am once again comparing him to papyrus i think thats why papyrus tries so hard to be a Good Friend he has a hard time connecting with others i think about this sooo much...... ok anyway back to flowey.. he wants to keep up asriels appearance of being the Good Tragic Prince Of The Underground. he does Not want the part of him that he feels has any worth to anyone to be tainted by who hes become following charas death.
i think in a more general Non Character Analysis Sense though this just. happens to a lot of antagonists. some people will take things "evil" characters say at face value, especially when it comes to characters like flowey who are extremely unreliable when it comes to announcing their own thoughts and feelings. asriel is a very tragic character and the fact that he does not look like The Evil Flower when he has his breakdown kind of also allows for thinking asriel and flowey are different... especially cuz flowey As A Flower only really breaks like that at the very end of the no mercy route and it happens very briefly..... but anyway people are allowed to think what they want about certain characters and Thats Okay I Suppose but also the ap lit character analysis student in me is screaming so loud </3 of course no one is obligated to like antagonists and analyze them this much BUT its personally my favorite way to Enjoy Media
tldr flowey is so inch resting to me i think people should not separate him and asriel they are the same guy and thats what makes him so complex <3 thank u for letting me talk about flowey forever he is my Big Favorite :):)
also!!! to anyone reading this feel free to send me flowey asks i love talking about him,, it might take me a little bit to answer cuz i have so much to say BUT i will eventually get back to u with my flowey paragraphs <3
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okay heres a really long post about my onions on scarlet (and violet but ive only played scarlet so far). i will NOT be spoiling any of the story or pokemon that havent been revealed in official media, HOWEVER! i will be talking about certain mechanics in the game in more detail, most specifically how you physically move about in the world (ie the upgrades you get for your mount). while im going to try not to compare scarvi to other games in every single aspect, its not feasible to leave it in the vacuum considering What It Is (a mainline series game from one of the highest-grossing franchises in the world). developer crunch aside, this is what they gave us, so thats what im talking about. SO!! preface done. lets get into this, breaking it up by section with each getting an overall Section Score, and then a final Overall Game Score. points i like begin with ++ and points i dont begin with -- to try and make it easier. THIS IS LONG AND CONTAINS SALT (some deserved, some personal).
THE POKEMON THEMSELVES
section score: 8/10 i like a lot of them! its just the ones i Dont like, i...Really Dont Like
++wooper’s new evo is the singular best pokemon of all time ++the names this gen are top-tier ++most of the designs are really cool! --there are some who have interesting ideas behind their base design/abilities but it really doesn’t feel like it fits with the mon itself and wouldve been better off as a separate entity/pokemon (there is a sea-based creature and a coin critter who bring this to mind most keenly) --while its nice theyre supposedly all to-scale, many are way too small to be seen on the switch screen. conversely i guess i understand why people are always tripping over bug-types in forests
YOUR LEGENDARY RIDE BUDDY
section score: 5/10 their personality is the absolute saving grace here, the novelty of riding them is fun, though a lot of the mechanics fall flat for me but are still required to explore the world
++having the box legendary with you from the tutorial is a cool idea i didnt know i wanted before! ++this lizard is so personality. god bless --the camera cannot keep up when you dash for long distances --i dont hate the fact that there is only a single pokemon you ride on since that cuts down on total animations needed, its just sad we cant use anyone else --i also dont hate that your movement abilities are locked behind one of the story lines, BUT there are hard-locked areas of the game you cannot get to without more progress, which stifles the whole “open world, do whatever you want whenever you want” feel --you unlock gliding late, and after roughly ten seconds of gliding, you begin falling rapidly to the ground. whats the point of this? also no free flight is always depressing, if understandable at a technical level --climbing walls is your last upgrade. the small hop you do at the top of the cliff to make it to the flat ground is often TOO small and you may fall. and if there is a pokemon at the edge where you’re about to be, you will bounce off it and be sent likely back down to the bottom of the cliff. not to mention if the wall is not completely vertical, you might lose your climbing grip and begin to slide down anyway --they take up so much of your screen you often cant see whats in your path and will run over or into obstacles like smaller pokemon or npcs
THE ANIMATIONS, GRAPHICS, AND VISUALS
section score: 5/10 the pokemon textures and chara designs alone save this part from being rated a 3/10
++the pokemon themselves look AMAZING, they have visible scales/fur/metallic sheen and are generally a delight to see walking about ++the npcs and characters are all really cool and i enjoyed meeting them ++pokemon have several different animations you can see with the picnic feature ++pokemon having sleeping animations in the picnic and when idle too long with lets go mode is adorable ++pokemon roaring/crying after they defeat an opponent in battle and are waiting for the next to come out is a nice touch --the environment textures look like 144p stock photos --the landscapes themselves look like a middle schooler’s first blender project, they arent natural and they arent pretty --there feels like there isnt a cohesive stylistic choice, like in legends arceus or breath of the wild, where they have a consistent vibe for the whole game --pokemon dont stand correctly on slopes, ie one of their feet will be clipped into the ground and the other will be floating --most of the move animations are pretty to look at, but we still have “slide forward and jiggle around a bit in your t-pose” and thats IF its a physical contact move. arceus’s dynamic battle movements are completely forsaken here --the idle animations in battle have a lot of dead space between them so we’re back to just two of them t-posing at each other --pokemon dont even close their eyes when theyre asleep. they have a whole animation for it outside of battle, and inside of battle there isnt any sleepy signs. they dont Freezeframe when frozen either. --koraidon specifically does a really cute animation when you’re just sitting on his back BUT. his neck wheel clips into his throat horribly and i just cant unsee it --the pokedex has a cute aesthetic but you cant SEARCH it and trying to read the sideways names is unsatisfying --the CONSTANT jumpcuts/fadeins both in the open world and in cutscenes looks Awful. give the editor a break, you dont need ten small movies to do the job of one
THE UI ELEMENTS AND CONTROLS
section score: 3/10 for every step forward there seems to be several dozen going back
++taking a selfie for your trainer card is nice ++the map has a pleasing aesthetic overall --the map does not show cave layers --while you can lock the large map from rotating, you cant lock the minimap from spinning which disorients me to no end. also the main map doesnt keep your zoom level saved when you close and open it --trainer card is removed from the x menu and instead locked behind opening the large map and then a smaller menu, which is pointless --you cant take a photo of yourself for the profile Icon. why? --the pokemon menu icons do not have special shiny variants, and also they clip horribly within the party screen. all of my pokemon are beheaded and/or have no feet --in the pc why is multiselect bound to the - key and not something way more accessible. why make Y ONLY swap and not toggle between modes like sword and shield had? --in the pc you cant pick up a pokemon and go to the ‘all boxes’ screen and drop them in a new box. you have to manually scroll through all your boxes --in the pc you cant hit Up on your first party member to end up tabbed over the Last Slot --health bars in battle. where do i start. its awful and i hate it? if you have a status effect or take damage from an ability, the bar will display for a moment while the damage animation goes off, and then DISAPPEAR WHEN THE TEXT BOX TELLING YOU THE DAMAGE WENT OFF SHOWS UP. its stressful when you/your opponent is at low hp and you dont know HOW much until the turn resolves entirely. in worst case scenarios (ie tera raids), you may only get a few frames. just display the health bars all the time, along with the pokemons level.
THE NEW FEATURES
section score: 5/10 if these features worked as im sure they were intended or had a few tweaks, they would be 10/10. but they Dont, and its super sad that the bad vastly outweighs the good
++finding rare items on the ground (nature mints, vitamins) is really nice ++being able to BUY nature mints is amazing ++picnicing is fun and handy when you dont want to make a long trek to/from a center ++terastralizing is fun to both do and plan around ++the raids are an improvement over sword and shield ++coop is kind of pointless but still really fun to Exist in the same space as your friends! so it stays as a positive ++accessing your pc boxes from anywhere is a godsend! ++nicknaming pokemon anywhere is nice! ++being able to relearn any past known move at any time is amazing! ++shiny pokemon are seen in the overworld! ++the lets go feature is a fun concept --HOWEVER the lets go feature is implemented Terribly. the mon doesnt stray far from you and immediately returns to the ball if you do get too far. you often send them forward and they dont target what you want them to, or they defeat one pokemon and then give up. 90% of pokemon are also TOO SLOW to keep up with you, which means you cant even reliably have a buddy walking with you for fun. it also makes evolving certain pokemon a hellish nightmare of forcing yourself to walk slowly so they dont get stuck --shiny pokemon DO NOT SPARKLE OR MAKE A SOUND in the overworld. they will ONLY alert you to their shininess when you enter a battle. the only way to identify a pokemon is with the lets go feature (your mons will not attack a shiny) BUT. with all the problems the lets go feature has i just listed, the only other recourse for people who dont use it is to squint at their screen. what do you do with a shiny who flees if you dont notice it in time before getting too close? you lose. good day sir. i will not be giving the game a pass on this at ALL because of the many visually impaired players being shafted on all fronts --speaking of shiny pokemon, shiny dittos and shiny zoruas can be disguised as Normal Pokemon and you wont know until you engage them and they de-transform. and again, the only way to know for sure before you manually battle is the lets go feature. so thats just dumb --we did not need crouching and sneaking in this game if there isnt any out-of-battle catches or need to hide period --the tera raids being timed really doesnt feel good when you need to watch SO many animations and none of them are shortened or skippable. the boss tera’s, sometimes you have to tera, and while the throwing-ball at the end was clearly made with love...its long, and ive seen it a lot now --the difficulty spike from 4* raids to 5* raids (i havent done a 6*) was pretty insane without building an endgame pokemon specifically to take them on. also the fact that i cant invite my friends first and then open it up to strangers means you’re likely stuck with dumb npcs padding out your team --sandwich making is kinda clunky and the fact that the buffs are separated by type feels super arbitrary and just to pad out the system of “wow look at all these ingredients!!”
THE STORY AND WORLD
section score: 9/10 its a pokemon game so some cliche is expected, but this has been my favorite one since black and white. the only thing really dragging it down is that the world is not as open as it seems
++all three paths have solid foundations and i enjoyed experiencing them! ++all of the important npcs felt like real characters who had their own motivations and quirks ++i actually learned stuff in class and got to flunk my math midterm three times because i cant fucking read just like in real life! +7 points --the world is not as open as it wants to be. areas are hard-locked behind certain mount abilities (swimming, climbing) but you can. sort of get up cliffs by jumping backwards which is fucking hilarious --the OVERworld doesnt necessarily need to scale with player progression (its normal to have low level starter areas and high level endgame areas) BUT! the BOSSES should. i was reasonably leveled for my first few fights but then took on a boss 10+ levels higher than my team, which was a fun struggle! BUT. after that. i was ENOURMOUSLY over leveled for the REST OF THE GAME, and none of the fights were interesting or fun --the terastralizing gimmick was only used in an interesting way a handful of times (one earlier-level gym leader surprised me but that was about it) and could’ve had a lot more potential if the types weren’t so predictable. a fight you have after beating the league had me cautious of something that wouldve been amazing to see but never happened --almost none of the npc pokemon had held items...? or if they did, they didnt make a valuable contribution to the fight, which made most of them feel easy to steamroll --i also found very few useful held items in the wild, which isnt the biggest deal since you can buy them, but it was always nice to pick up something and be like oh hey yea i can use this! without specifically going to the store. maybe ive explored the wrong areas tho idk --there are too many shops. have a clothing store in each city, yes, but do not put every piece of your outfit into a different store. no fucking store sells ONLY socks and NOTHING ELSE. same goes for the sandwich shops --there are too many buildings. you dont even go inside any of them, not even the fashion shops, so why have a loading screen just to pop up a menu? have an npc outside show you a ‘catalogue’ and pick from there --there isnt a way to mark npcs you want to revisit on your map, ex the friendship checker or that one guy you trade pokemon parts to so you can get amarouge or ceruledge. i have to look them up every time --the pokemon dropping materials is nice and adds immersion that each line drops a specific item, but it just adds to unnecessary bag bloat. ive made maybe seven tms in my 80 hours of playtime and havent sold any materials because i dont want to scroll through them all
and the kicker... THE PERFORMANCE
section score: 1/10 this is abysmal. it makes me physically ill.
++the coop bugs are kind of funny thats the only reason this has a Single Point and isnt a 0 --the lag. THE LAG BRO. everything lags. the game, every menu, the pokedex, starting a battle, EVERYTHING --it cant keep a steady 30fps at the best of times --the frame drops and slowdowns are frequent, distracting, and honestly nauseating at times. i can only play in handheld mode --the camera clips through EVERYTHING how did this get through playtesting --my game has crashed three times. once while i was walking away from a pokecenter, a second when trying to connect to a friends world, and the third while eating a sandwich. this is the only switch game in my recent memory to have ever crashed completely --the memory leak when the game runs for more than a few hours. --people are FALLING THROUGH THE FLOOR. --the world fucking deloads itself sometimes when i throw a pokeball. yea that video of the psyduck by the bridge is real, its happened to me several times
so now.......here we are at the end of things. first, heres stuff i would fix to make it a perfect 10/10 mainline pokemon game
add shiny sound/sparkle back
make health bars display 100% of the time in battle
move the profile/trainer card and pokedex options back to the main menu
let players lock the minimap rotation
bosses have proper level scaling
make the names in the pokedex not sideways
tweaks to the movement of your ride mon
animation upgrades, both in the overworld and for cutscenes
minor adjustments to the animation timings in tera raids, making shorter versions of them to combat the timer anxiety
complete overhaul of the lets go feature
performance upgrades. god let this game cook for another year at least
and i think thats everything. this game is clearly unfinished and the product of the ruthless development cycle, and ultimately it was way too ambitious for the time and manpower they had. its extremely sad that theres such promise under all of the glaringly unpolished features. if this game had at least some of the fixes i specified above, i would feel confident rating this as my favorite pokemon game since black and white or legends arceus
however. as of right now, with the game the way it is, this is my final score
POKEMON SCARLET AND VIOLET FINAL RATING: 6/10
#kintalk#warning this post is LONG#and it has a lot of salty sadness in it#just please remember these disappointments come from a place of love#this game couldve been absolutely everything we all wanted#but crunch and holidays and corporate interests always bare their fangs somehow#im hopeful for a patch before the dlc theyre supposedly working on#but that hope is sort of...i dunno. its not a lot of hope thats for sure#anyway thanks for coming to my tedtalk i guess#is there something i missed?? maybe!#tell me if you think of something
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( abuse/trauma/ ments!!) Okay Corn , small rant but like I hate reading DL fanfics or whatever and someone always makes Yui the like, rude/slutty girl. I guess this is just like a me thing / opinion but i just dont like how they make her into something she isnt. Same thing w the boys, they (some authors, not all) COMPLETELY erase the boys sadism/abuse/trauma and make them cutesy, fun and totally romantizise abuse.
Character Development is nice, showing how a chara/oc can get pass trauma and become nicer/better but completely ignoring/erasing it doesnt seem like good development. :/
I feel as more younger fans of DL do this, especially when i see DL videos w comments like
“Yui is so weak and moans too much.”
“Yui doesnt even try lol”
Hi Strawberry! As for your statement, I mean I do agree, I personally don’t like reading OOC stuff as something to read (that’s just me), but if it’s what people want to write and read and they’re not forcing their opinion (and it’s not about real life people and erasing their real life situations) then it’s fine! It’s creative expression! I personally don’t like it when people romanticize abuse or sexual assault either because to me, as someone who’s been through a bit of that, it can be a lil offensive. Cuz that shit just kinda fucks you up and I can heavily relate to a lot of Yui’s confusion (especially through Laito’s HDB route) with her emotions after those scenarios. But I’m not gonna be like “don’t do that” because unless if you legitimately say that Laito and Yui and the other boys haven’t gone through trauma,,,, that’s a reflection on what those people think and would imply they have a tendency to erase real life people’s trauma too. I’m not gonna censor others just because they’re doing something I don’t like and it’s not harming anybody. I’ll just move on and ignore it; I don’t get caught up on things like that unless if it has to do with real life people. Which in this case, it doesn’t.
But it’s writing, and they're fictional characters. So that’s no harm no foul. Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t you also one of the younger people in the fandom as well? When it comes to the younger part of the fandom in general, it does make sense considering many of them don’t know the mental weight of those scenarios. I know that when I was younger and got into DL (which,,,, still isn’t optimal :’)) I wasn’t able to grasp the gravity as much. It just comes with mentally maturing. Hell, my brain still hasn’t fully developed, I’m not 25/26 yet and sure I haven’t been through incredibly terrible scenarios so I know I have yet to fully mature, and people are always learning and maturing regardless. Sure people say that they’re mature for their age but that still doesn’t matter when it comes to grasping the gravity of these scenarios (if they haven’t been through them in the first place, usually). (As a better example, a lot of young young kids don’t really know the gravity of the concept of death at first too). That’s why it just scares me a lil that there’s a lot of younger people in this fandom :’’) just coming from an older person oop
Also, I’ve written about Yui (and kind of OC) hate before on this post. And it does tackle a lot of what you’re saying too, esp about the Yui hate comments. But regardless, It’s writing, and people can write what they want, especially since it takes place in a fictional universe. It would be different if they were writing about real people and shipping them, like how Jacksepticeye had a recent statement on how to not ship people irl just because it gets weird. However, the trauma in DL is very real, but it still is a fictional universe. Once again, if they were real life victims then that’s when I would draw the line. As for writing development, it is fan fiction and not professional at all. You get a lot of people who aren’t good at writing but choose to make fanfiction to get better at it, or just to express themselves. I just don’t like shitting on people’s way of creatively expressing themselves if they’re not hurting anybody, regardless of skill.
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Reading ur post reminded me something, maybe im being super sensitive but i kin chara too and seeing Asriel at the end be like "you were the friend i always wish i had" and stuff to frisk, and liking frisk more than chara basically, idolizing frisk, all that, made me really sad, idk.. i know theyre not real but i just :( do u feel me..
Yea no its real tragic. This is referring back 2 what i keep talking about , smth i realized is much more core 2 asriel+chara’s story than i initially thought- the tragedy of being incapable of understanding eachother. Asriel’s trying to comprehend everything tht’s happened and the way he pieces those things together at the end of the game leads him to the “maybe chara wasn’t that good of a person” conclusion bcos after all this time, he still doesnt understand them, and they still dont understand him.
I also think it has a good degree to do with the way HE behaved as flowey. I think its pretty well accepted that his behavior as flowey is largely adopted from worldviews + behaviors he learned from chara, so i think it’s likely that he says those things in part as an evaluation of the things HE did -- he’s saying “chara” because he learned those things from chara, but he means “himself” when he’s talking about being a bad person...which isnt to say he doesnt truly believe that chara is a bad person, he’s just projecting his behaviors onto them in addition to htat (there’s several other times in text he does this to frisk/the player/ who he percieves as chara which is why i draw this conclusion)
In any event its really tragic + one of the main reasons i hate when people try to write everyone lives post pacifist as like, everyone hugs and gets along right off the bat -- there’s clearly a LOT of unresolved conflict especially considering chara can HEAR him when he says that . their relationship isnt by any means in a good place at the end of the game
Thats yet another reason why i think deltarune might be a continuation of THEIR story = P While i believe the unhappy ending for asriel and chara is extremely poignant and completely what was intended, with the way that toby concluded pretty much everyone elses character arcs and left those two open ended, and a number of other clues...it seems all signs are pointing towards “it will get resolved someday” .
I do believe they still love eachother though. They were both readily willing to sacrifice everything about themselves and their lives for eachother..even though their relationship is left in a turbulent state at the end of undertale, it would be silly to say that they no longer care about eachother. After all, it’s the memory of chara that stopped asriel from destroying the world, isnt it ? ^-’
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The Trial: Part 3
Once more he sat facing the human, waiting for them to begin. Sans knew he’d already crossed the line. He’d crossed so many lines. There was nothing he could do now that would make everyone look at him the same way ever again. It was exactly what he’d been afraid of. Maybe if he could think of even one pun it might ease the tension a bit, but his mind was whirling with everything but puns. But it was his duty. The role of Judge wasn’t something you could do halfway. And besides, if he didn’t bring out the whole story, then it would be harder to for everyone to see what a tangled mess all of this was. They needed to know, to hear everything, in order to accept his judgement. That was the point of all this. Was it worth it though? If he couldn’t meet Papyrus’ eyes? “The voice came first. Before Frisk met Flowey. Chara’s body had been buried in the exact place they’d fallen into the Underground, where all those children fell. But this time, Frisk’s determination was so strong that it not only wrenched Flowey’s powers away from him, but woke Chara from death.” The Human spoke quietly, but it was so quiet a pin dropping could have been heard. “As Frisk journeyed they offered their help. Giving information about the Monsters and world along the way, offering encouragement upon death, and being a silent and invisible companion. Not like a ghost monster, but more like a lingering will, a consciousness or a fragment of a soul, persisting despite time and death. When Frisk was determined to be kind, Chara was pleased. But when Frisk eventually began to lose their mind and kill, Chara was horrified.” The Monsters too were horrified. Papyrus looked incredibly sad and tears were beginning to form in Toriel’s eyes. “It didn’t happen all at once. There were runs in between with accidental kills, or where Frisk only killed the ones who got in their way, or who couldn’t be easily spared without effort. As time went on they killed more and more until it became genocide. Hate. Pain. They killed and killed and killed, desperate to alleviate boredom, to keep from thinking about the world they might have to go back to. The Determination to stay in this world was strong. But Chara didn’t know that, they could only see what Frisk did, not what they felt. And so they watched.” It must have been a heavy burden to bear. To watch as everyone you knew and loved was murdered before your eyes. Killed without mercy. When all you had ever wanted to do was help them, you were trapped in a nightmare where they were all suffering and you could do nothing. The human still showed no emotion as they continued the brutal tale. “With each kill, the violence and hate grew, and Chara was determined to do something, to stop it all. So they fed off of those traits, drawing power from Frisk. But only when even Sans had been done away with, did they have enough power for it. Refusing to let Frisk kill their brother, they chose to do it themselves. At least he could die by their own hand. And then it was enough. They could become visible, real, if only for a moment.” Pausing, the human looked around at all the monsters, meeting the eyes of those who had known Chara. “They offered a choice. The level of violence and all that hate was strong. It twisted them despite their resistance. If power was the only goal, then they could kill for it and destroy everything for its sake. But when Frisk refused, the shock was enough to bring them to their senses, and they struck Frisk down and destroyed the world with the power they had. It wasn’t enough. The Determination was too strong for Frisk to truly die without wanting to. So Chara struck a bargain. Offer up their soul, risk becoming an empty shell with a fading consciousness or they wouldn’t be allowed to reset the world properly. Chara took that soul and poured the hate and violence into it, all of the negative emotions and despair. And it was taken, by what Chara called a Demon.” Sans sat up, this was the first time he’d heard this part of the tale and it chilled him. “What do you mean a demon? Explain.” “It is the Demon that comes when its name is called. It doesn’t matter where, it doesn’t matter when. Time after time it will appear and help you eradicate your enemies and become strong. Every time a number increases: Hit Points, attack, defense, gold, execution points, level of violence... that’s them. When people are motivated by Greed, hatred, fear, apathy, rage, and so many other things they fall into its trap, they call its name without knowing it, and it comes and feeds off of the destruction and violence they create. When Chara bribed it into leaving, it took the soul and vanished. Leaving two spirits and one body and no soul between them. But there was one thing left. The demon couldn’t consume Determination, its not a negative trait even if it can be used that way. So it remained. That was the beginning of my birth.” For the first time, an expression of emotion had appeared on the human’s face, something like... a fondness? The warmth of remembering something from long ago? Sans considered them for a moment. He’d been skeptical at first of their claims of being neither Chara nor Frisk. But the more they’d insisted on it, and the more he’d heard others like Flowey insist that it wasn’t the human at all anymore, the more he believed them. This wasn’t what he’d expected to hear. Demons, determination. This was the problem of messing with souls and soul magic. It caused this sort of nonsense. “It was slow,” the human was still speaking. They’d spoken more today than any other time Sans could recall. More than anyone else had today. “I grew stronger as Chara and Frisk struggled for control, to remain. But eventually without all the hatred and violence that had been in the soul, they both calmed down and came to their senses. Frisk was disturbed at what they’d grown into and was all for releasing the Monsters right then and there. But there were problems with that, ones you are already aware of. Time had begun speeding by at unimaginable rates. The outside was no longer livable by that time, at least as far as they could tell. So they decided to lock everyone into the time loop, resetting endlessly. By that time you,” and they looked pointedly at Sans. “Had just barely begun to recall previous resets. You had some memories from the oldest ones, from the pacifist routes. But they were fragments. And it took a long time before you truly began to remember each time, hundreds or even thousands of resets before your memory was consistent.” Sans found himself nodding in agreement. It had been like waking up from a long dream. Bits and pieces of waking floated around, taunting you until you caught them and added them to the puzzle. When you had enough you realized that you were already awake and that things were going on around you. “By then, Chara and Frisk had begun to fade away. Human minds were not meant to last more than a hundred years or so, not at all like Monsters. And without a soul to tether them to this world, they slowly went silent. One day they were just gone. No more. And I was left. Determination. I was the Determination focused on their last wish, to preserve the Underground and its inhabitants by any means. They’d gone with endless genocide routes to keep you from discovering what was happening with Time outside the barrier, but I eventually decided that not knowing was hurting you more. The rest you know...” Finally they fell silent. No one made a sound. Deep in thought, Sans considered what to do now. He couldn’t punish this person, they weren’t even the true culprit, and it was useless to punish a person who was more or less dead so neither Chara or Frisk would be any help. And anyway, he’d made very clear that the human couldn’t totally be blamed for the mess they were in. He stood, his robes flowing around him. While he’d been thinking, the human had returned to their seat. They would have to call it something different now, because a being of living Determination wasn’t really human, and they deserved a name that wasn’t the memory of someone long gone like Chara or Frisk. With a decisive gesture he motioned for the pedestal to once again descend into the floor and the slab of stone to slide over top of it again. “I have reached a decision,” he announced. A sharp intake of breath greeted these words. Despite everyone’s desire for this whole event to take place, many of them were wishing they’d never wanted it now that they’d heard everything. Wishing that they’d not been so hasty. But it was far too late. “It seems to me that this person cannot be blamed. For they are no longer Frisk or Chara, but someone new. And Frisk the Human is not totally at blame for what took place either. We could point at other humans in their lives, we could look to this Demon that comes when you call it. Some might blame Chara for becoming violent, but they didn’t become that way until they were pushed to the breaking point, and still managed to overcome it to stop things. The truth is... we’re all at fault. You, me, everyone. Together we made the world a place where this kind of horror was... inevitable.” he sighed. There was no easy fix. Nothing would be easy. But at the forefront of his mind were all the things Papyrus had believed and told him about. About changing oneself and offering chances. But would they accept it? “Like my Grandpa Semi before me, I am called to be Judge. I play arbiter and executioner as necessary. Even deciding the fate of Kings if called upon to do so. But... I cannot force the world to change if it refuses. So here is my command. Learn to be better. All of you,” he glanced briefly at Flowey, who looked away. “Choose again and again to be a better person than you were. Offer kindness and where you can...understanding. Our world is small, and our prison is more final than ever before. But it doesn’t have to be that way. We can make it a better place, a better world. We can be free if we make our freedom ourselves, even if the bars are still here. We’re alive, which is a miracle considering everything. So let’s put that to use. I know some of it has already started with the new school and the media stuff I’ve seen everywhere. But there’s always more we can do.” He drew himself up to his full height. “That is my judgement. All are guilty, and all must throw everything they are into this new world we’re making. To ensure that its a better place than where we were before. To be certain we don’t lose hope. There’s no putting all the responsibilities on the shoulders of royals or heroes alone, we each have to do our part.” The two hooded and cloaked figures, both the large one with dark fur and the smaller jester-like one with a wicked smile and a lashing tail, came forward and stood on either side of him. As one they spoke the final ritual words of any trial. “Let the Angel’s will be done!” And then Sans simply vanished. One moment he stood there and the next he was gone. The other two began shepherding the shell shocked Monsters from the room, quietly advising them to return home and contemplate the Judge’s decision. Papyrus ran as fast as he could, hoping that Sans would have just gone back to their house in Snowdin. The River Person gave him a ride, for the first time saying nothing at all. He’d apparently watched the trial from a television screen set up for Monsters in the Capital, and he’d been able to watch without leaving his boat. When he arrived, the telltale signs that Sans was home were present. But Sans himself was absent. Knocking on the door of his brother’s bedroom, Papyrus called out to him. “SANS? SANS? I’M SORRY. I DIDN’T KNOW.” But though he could hear someone moving around on the other side, nobody answered. “SANS I WANT TO HELP YOU. IN YOUR DECISION YOU JUST SAID THAT WE SHOULD ALL DO OUR PART. WELL MY PART IS APOLOGIZING. I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE THE JUDGE AND CLEARLY GETTING UP THERE WAS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR YOU. AND I’M SORRY...” The door opened. Still in his dark robes, but with the hood down now, Sans looked up at him with tired eyes. “I know. S’okay, bro. I just hope it does everybody some good. If it does, I don’t mind.” Papyrus hugged him and Sans let himself be hugged. It was going to be a bit before everything was really okay again. But now they at least had a chance at it.
#sans the skeleton#the great papyrus#undertale#undertale au#jevil#ice wolf undertale#toriel dreemurr#chara dreemurr#flowey the flower#frisk the human#the river person#the demon that comes when its name is called#aeontale#finally this part is done#it was fun#but im not terribly pleased with its quality#still its good enough for this#and its great practice at dialogue heavy scenes#im not good at those so practice is helpful
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hello icha!! i finally got around to finishing the stranger haha,, by which i mean i just watched it today. was veryyyy excited for it as i really like the poster design for this one. anyways. this event starting w/ the sort of portrait format or whatever / that narration is like. god. threw me right back to autumn troupe. I kind of love that the storytelling format itself is so distinct for autumn! the moment I realized it was omi I started getting teary… like oh man oh man… omi…. And the connection with him taking photos! ahh!! now that I think about it… omi kind of seems a bit like early version tsumugi, huh? also I keep forgetting this man is a college student lol. suspension of disbelief I suppose. onto the play i think like. mankai should invest in a fainting courch for tsuzuru. i also went to watch the play and 1) im betting yuki had a hell of a time costume design wise like the vines on the body? such fun costuming wise and 2) the ethical implications of whatever this play has,,, fun fun. tsuzuru was clearly having some kind of thoughts. i love zeros design and am always up for a3 characters crossdressing bc 1) i think its fun and 2) the costume design. i also dearly wish this whole thing was animated bc I feel like it’d be o fun to see taichi act as zero. or at least I hope this event gets full voiced one day... moving on to the scene where omi adds soy sauce to the paella I know it’s just like haha homare funny so lets five him a lil bit but like everyone in autumn troupe making their comments on the paella and like homare just jumping in. homare autumn troupe besties. just thinking. also the way they just r like. no no no omi it’s fine if u made a mistake!! it’s ok! we like it (you) anyways <3 it’s got it’s own special taste. something something omi’s perfectly pleasant as he is now but even if he weren’t on his a-game and was dealing with all of the biker gang stuff they would love him just as hard. another thing that got me was omi telling banri that he’ll give him something sweet so juza will stop grinding his teeth in his sleep… guys… guys you’ll give him cavities…. mb omi is a college student after all lol.
anyways when i saw the actual costumes. appreciative of them, i like the lil circuit-esque detailing on banri’s outfit, and that sakyo and taichi (nine and zero) both share that like collar detail? its very symbolic and probably also literal but its a nice way to sort of signify their relation to each other visually! also sakyo just looks nice. seeing him without glasses is so great. whoever thought up the like two mole detail for him was doing gods work.
something that confused me was ryo mistaking juza for nachi for a split second? like. does juza… look similar to nachi? or was it just that ryo only heard juzas voice and made that mistake. if it’s appearance wise too. kumon nachi confirmed. I’m joking lol bc I feel like I would’ve heard at least something abt it in one of the like small conversation comments, plus that doesnt seem like itd fit summer troupes style and kumon is for sure the wrong age… but still.
i really like how for this event, the roles for taichi and omi were kinda reversed. and taichis just so like. idk. smiley. rly lifts ur spirits. its kind of nice how this event contrasts to that cg where taichi is crying on omi. I also think like. idk. considering the story of the stranger. wolf gives zero a sense of purpose and life and I think that zero helps wolf lose his apathy. it’s about “the stranger” and the ending makes him like… not a stranger, right? because he’s got a companion. in the same way, taichi brings omi out of his emotional isolation. the picture taking! also the stickers coming back… thats such a good setup! the found family of it all!!
when he was trying to work out zeros character as soon as taichi mentioned a sharp speaking style I KNEW it was Yuki… yuki would never be as honest as zero is though lol… to me i imagine she’s got a sort of juza internal monologue feel? anyways. the taichi yuki dynamic intrigues me. havent yet decided how I feel abt it but when I do… yes. sorry that I make literally no sense. I think it’s very obvious that yuki is my fav chara kind of? I’m just. hmmm it makes me think! I’ve been monologuing to myself abt the yuki and juza dynamic lately which, to my a3 knowledge so far, doesn’t exist, but its ok bc I’ll make it exist! uhhh anyways this event was very good i liked the pacing. i think it didnt drag too hard and it really properly honed in on just omi and taichi, which was quite nice. they really did a lot for just an event!
time to listen to the event song,,, ok so. ah. i rly enjoyed just for myself it was very much to my taste so. out of curiousity i was like ok lemme look up the composer / producer AND IT WAS YUYOYUPPE....... that guy is like!!!! one of my FAV producers ever!!!!!! i know him from like. his vocaloid days and god leia is still one of my fav songs to this day...! this knowledge gives me so much joy omg!!! like wow!! wowwww!!! like i knew yuyoyuppe was out there doing other stuff (i know he worked on a lot of babymetal music which is cool) but like idk. to suddenly encounter it like this. heheh.... its so nice! made me soooo happy. going to relisten to leia now haha
WAIT ONE MORE THING. i was like "haha let me look at other songs i remember liking a lot" which. for me was rakuen oasis and don't cry. anyways. rakuen oasis is ALSO by yuyoyuppe???? oh my god!!! oh my god... sigh. feel like im in heaven.
OH HI FRIEND!! so good to see you with an a3 update!! :D
godd yeah The Stranger started so strongly and the idea to still incorporate portraits in his story was really something to make us cry!
And linking Omi and Tsumugi like this is pretty interesting :O <hat is your reasoning exactly? :O
For the fainting couch for Tsuzuru LMAO and i'm letting you know there's a webcomics that addresses it in Act 2 (hough there's no spoilers aside from the fact Chikage is here)
Im glad you liked the costume and the play!!! yeah i love the designs and it is always a blast to see them this into it, and yeaaah Tsuzuru has thoughts huh. It'll get voiced sooner than later hopefully and there we'll see more in details :3c but also that's what made the seiyuu live so fun bc they perform the songs in play cosplay and replay a bit of the play everytime and it's *chief kiss*
HOMARE AUTUMN TROUPE SOLIDARITY YES. LOVING IT.
And yeah the scene itself was so cute TwT they all want to reassure Omi and be there for him it's so sweet :( but yeah i love how you say it all, Omiimi TwT
and dLKFJDFLKJFDFD Giving Juza cavities is the price to pay for sleep i guess??
yeah agreed on the costume they all look so cool! and nice catch on how those three seem linked like that with their costumes, Yuki (and the designers) does such a good job! and god yeah for Sakyo.. yeah. He has sucha good design dLKJFDF
aND DLKFJD yeah no Juza is supposed to look like Nachi physically, but mostly his face? like i think Nachi was had green hair? we see a sprite of him in a future story, and yeah, everything is in the eyebrows. so Kumon should be safe? Omi mentions he sees a lot of Nachi in Juza, and while it is mostly due to their passions i think, the fact they're also rough looking guy with a heart of gold must play a part as well. but yeah, he does look like Nachi a bit.
and i love your deeper analysis of the event yeah!!
I feel like Taichi is really an emotional core of the troupe in the sense that is, he tends to catch on what others are feelings easily. And he uses it in the early chapters to ease off the tensions and stuff, but he was being held back by knowing he was deceiving them. So now that he's more free, he can be more of himself. but yeah i also love the contrast with how Omi was the one to help Taichi through his breakdown and guilt, and now it's the other way around, it's Taichi helping him through it. and the parallelism between the play and their dynamic is spot on imo! well said!!
and god yeah the sticker things made me cry sO HARD, and the pictures! and everything!! sobs it's such a sweet found family i'm going to cry :(
And! i love what you say about Yuki, Taichi and Juza on this one. I love that Taichi keeps bringing it back to "that childhood friend" and it's always like. so obvious who it is for us rip. But it can make you wonder if Yuki was more honest as a kiddo when Taichi knew him, though now he's clearly not. I love the mention of how Zero is more like Juza's internal speech (which, if anything is another argument about why you should let Juza wear a dress, cOWARD)
but also your mention of the Yuki and Juza thing, while i can't think of them having a dynamic per se yet, but i actually wrote a post during my reread about how i was baffled at the fact they treated Muku the same way?? like both of them tried to push Muku away because they were scared of how people would react if they say pure, sweet Muku was associated to them. And i find it fascinating because i guess those two are pretty aware of how the world see them, and it used to stop them from fully allowing them to be themselves.
I also find it relevant with the fact Yuki says in his personal song that while all of this way people judge him weight on him, he rather be himself, and "I want to love myself". Meanwhile we have Juza who's also aware of the way people judge him and it weight on him, and he wants to change himself from this person he hates, this self loathing - and in a way, he can grow in a way to be "someone" he may not hate, even on stage. I feel like those two have quite a bit in common in this way of being rejected by their peers in some sort of way.
I really want them to share some stuff at some point because there's really a groundwork on it all :(
But i'm really glad you liked that event!! agreed on the pacing and i do love what it brings to the characters! it really fleshes them out and have them move forward a little and it's pretty sweet.
AND OMG THAT'S SO COOL FOR THE SONG!! i'm so glad you liked it, but that's incredible it turned out to be from one of your fav producer!!! ahah sometimes life is like that where you end up finding the stuff you loved back into new stuff! and the fact Rakuen Oasis was from him as well... that's so cool!!! just, so so cool!
im pretty sure he has more songs going forward so i hope you'll enjoy the ride even more!!
thank you once again for sharing your thoughts about a3 :3c it always makes me so happy to see them!!!
Thank youu <3 have a good day :3c
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* you know rina benton-moa, right? they’re twenty-four, and they’ve lived in irving for, like, their whole life on and off? well, their spotify wrapped says they listened to reinvent by phoebe green like, a million times this year, which makes sense ‘cause they’ve got that whole fury encased by the reflection of daylight in the eyes; lines etched into skin from lifetimes over of squinting into midsummer skies, odd trinkets lined carelessly along a mantlepiece shrouded by aged dust, a split in the lip lancing keenly as the tongue darts out to wet it thing going on. i just checked and their birthday is july 15th, so they’re a cancer, which is unsurprising, all things considered.
hi i’m cee .. u all know me...... regrettably gone for a cutla weeks but now i’m back ready n waiting to finally write rina (rip to their intro i never wrote last time around) kisses u all so tenderly let us plot shall we.......
AESTHETICS.
a weather-worn baseball cap ( jacksonville jazz festival 1983 ) adorned with dried sweat akin to the rings of saturn that collects dust on the back seat of a car, neglected piles of unopened government letters spilling from a haphazard tower onto the floor, a moth-eaten cotton shirt, johnny cash at four a.m. on the jukebox hits radio station, hand me down trainers marred by crowsfoot grass stains, dollar store candy older than your own existence, blinking grocery store fluorescent lights, the acrid scent of tyres set aflame.
CHARA INSPO.
frankie ( animal kingdom ), theo ( catherine house ), libby bray ( dark places ), frances ( conversations with friends ), ruth ( ozark ), tommy ( never let me go )
BACKGROUND.
lilac ridge’s newest, unwelcome baby for 1997. rina’s mother is gone before they have the chance to memorise a voice, the touch of a hand on their fever-ridden forehead. she forever remains in old polaroids - their parents look happy here, sun-blushed and clutching amber bottles of schlitz. their dad tries and tries, often in a futile effort, to be the parent an unruly rina needs. that old woman in the trailer next to them hates the saturday morning cartoons that they play too loud: she says the catdog theme loops in her sleep, now.
TW NEGLECT despite the one or two friends rina manages to keep, school isn’t lonely. it’s lilac ridge that’s hollow, an ugly reflection of the way their father returns wordlessly to the chair found on hard rubbish collection day once, gesturing for a drink and waving them out of the trailer as he lights a cigarette. he doesn’t say he’s lonely. they’re too young to understand, or too foolhardy, and spends the afternoon fashioning bracelets from creek reeds until the cicadas quiet and the evening sky turns imperial violet, led back by constellations. some nights, rina isn’t there but in the alien comfort of a tentative friend’s trundle bed, eyes fixed on the owl nightlight and stereo that emits a soft tick as it reaches the end of a 4kids cd. TW END
the trailer is often empty without warning. rina’s in fernandina beach, florida one month. the next two, it is macon, georgia. the louisiana dirge for a friend of a friend of a friend’s funeral holds their attention better than any maths teacher can. to make friends is hard, but money is money and it puts food on the table. rina becomes used to tucking away their life in a tattered rucksack. prized possessions are rare. when they find one, it makes a home at the very bottom of their bag, cushioned by old newspaper and a spare pair of socks.
one tepid night, rina wakes to a clear desert sky wheeling above them. in the front seat, knees cramped under a too-thin blanket, their father is nowhere to be found in the street emptied by midnight. without keys the radio doesn’t start. for hours, they wait in silence for him to return. he does, eventually, fifty dollars short and reeking of beer.
TW DEATH live and let die — an eighty-cent find from a gas station in texas that exists permanently under a layer of dust some time in the nineties, the garish yellow sticker stubbornly remains on the back window of her father’s car. it’s not a day after his funeral that she peels it off. cirrhosis and failing lungs, they say. the more stubborn parts of the sticker come away easily by the blade of a pocket knife and sat on the bottom cinder block step to the now-empty trailer back at lilac ridge, rina sets it alight. the sticker melts and warps above the flame. heat stings the pad of their thumb that grips to the top of it for as long as they can bear it and the melted bits stick to the hem of the navy dress the old lady next door lent them for the day. she asks if they need anything else. they say no. TW END
at sixteen, nobody has impeccable financing. rina doesn’t leave irving until after graduating high school, sustenance made off cup noodles that they microwave despite the label saying not to, a quick buck made to sit the SAT for that quarterback who thinks he’s hot shit, yale material, for the mousy girl who likes literature written by dead people exclusively and scrunches her nose up at rina’s rates, upfront, but pushes across the seventy bucks anyway. the school’s careers counsellor catches them eventually - you could make it into an ivy league if you applied yourself a bit more. rina’s brow quirks. their grades are fine, more than fine. what else do they need to do?
on blind faith alone — a rarity, perhaps something rina let free after the hideous, lonely last two years — hands that never quiver submit college applications. pre-med at dartmouth awaits, but two years in the structure and demand wigs them out. lilac ridge is the glue trap dangling from the ceiling and rina is the fly, buzzing relentlessly. they are nothing, just as they suspected.
TRAITS & QUIRKS.
dumbass sun, fuckwit moon, muppet rising
unofficial mensa member with zero motivation. self-help books won’t work, neither will a stern word from an exasperated mentor
at their core, all seems numb. rina is nowhere close to understanding themselves. really, there’s a stubbornness that makes them reliable, even at the worst of times. a warmth, too, not a raging flame but embers that never go cold. hands which caress despite the bruised knuckles and nail bitten fingertips. outwardly, rina’s personality depends on whichever standout film or book antihero has their attention at the time.
petty criminal and relegated to dead-end jobs because of it. it’s rare for a boss to re-hire them, simply because their habit of up and leaving town without warning is too expensive and too frustrating
refused bail once for being a flight risk on account of their propensity to disappear into a louisiana bayou
although rina has never breathed a word of it to anyone, they’re desperate to scrape together enough money to leave for new zealand and track down their mother’s family, if only for the prospect of a better life than thier father’s derelict trailer, the only inheritance received from him
absolute parasite :/
julian assange apologist. took up skateboarding after the infamous ecuadorian embassy footage came on the news one evening
on that note, rina hacks for a spot of extra money. cites their resume for it, so they’re reliable. it consists of them hacking into the irving mayor’s website once and photoshopping che guevara onto the face of every councillor
WANTED PLOTS.
ummmmm
a childhood friend, particularly one whose house rina ended up staying at far longer than planned on account of concerned parents
rina’s natural enemy whose own rigid academics competed against their disorganisation and confounding, cherry red a+’s. bonus: debate club rivals
literally anything. i’ll take it. gimme
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Frisk Hart Clips #42
[In the halls of Ram-Goats school, it’s the end of the day as students walk around to prepare themselves to go home. The Rainbow Kids stopped walking once they reached the Janitor's closet.]
Cyan: (feeling tired) Even though we finished the school day, I hate Mondays.
Orange: Same here, Cyan. No one likes Mondays except working obsessed people.
Blue: On the bright side, we didn’t get another mission from the Monsters. Why can’t they gather the Monsters?
Purple: Well, Blue. They are still Monster Exterminators and even the government who would do anything to catch them. Also, we can’t risk Frisk and Chara’s Monster family being captured.
Frisk: (smiled) Who said that they’re mine and Chara’s family? They’re all of our family. To be honest, the Monster fam keeps talking about you, Six. They even consider you part of the family as well.
Green: (as he and the rest of the Six blushed) They do? Chara: (folded her arms while putting them behind their head) Yep. Sometimes, Toriel and Asgore consider you guys as their own. Sans, Papyrus, Undyne, Alphys, and Mettaton see you as nephews and nieces. Even Asriel sees you as his siblings.
Yellow: (smiles with the rest of the Six as they still blushed) Wow. We never thought they cared about us that much.
Chara: That's what I said. But then I learned that no matter what, Man or Monster, the Monster family will love us, even if you’re cursed. (But when her hands and part of face turns bloody red) Uh-oh. Speaking of curses…
[The Six and Frisk gasp in shock as Chara and her outfit turn bloody red. They watch in horror as Chara grows bigger while her eyes go black, her teeth grow more enormous and sharp-like, knife-like claws grow from her fingernails, and all but her face turn into a baby structure.]
Frisk: (opening her eyes in intimidated) The Bloody Baby…
[After Cursed Chara lets out a monstrous scream, Orange quickly opens the Janitor’s closet and tries to push her inside.]
Orange: We can’t let anyone see her like this! Purple and Green, help me!
[Once Purple and Green help him, they close the door as she bangs on it to get out. They use their strength to prevent her from getting out by putting their backs on the door.]
Green: (shaken in fear) Of course, her curse has to occur after school!
Purple:(To Frisk, Cyan, Blue, and Yellow)Quick, girls! Get some chocolate!
Cyan: (looking through her backpack and lunchbox quickly) But you know the rules of school! We aren’t allowed to have snacks on the premises!
Blue: (going through hers) Why would they come up with that rule?! Sometimes, lunch isn’t enough to keep us full!
Yellow: (looking through hers) They probably have a good reason, Blue! Sometimes rules keep us protected. It’s essential to have some order and some chaos to keep everything in balance.
Frisk: (takes out a Cookies-N-Cream Hearshy’s bar) Does this count as chocolate?
The Six: (thought) Close enough!
[But then someone grabs the bar from behind Frisk. The Six and Frisk turn to see the Henry Twins with Jessie Hill, Julie Hall, Billy Hansen, and Bobby Hanson. Jenny was the one who took the candy bar.]
Jenny: (grinned) Naughty, naughty, Frisky. You know you’re not supposed to have snacks at school.
Jessie and Julie: (smirked) Yeah.
Cyan: (annoyed) Oh, great. When things can get any worse, you and your friends have to show up, Jenny.
Orange: (yelled) Give it back, Jenny! We need that candy bar. (Before a bang is heard on the door)
Benny: You do? Oh, I’m going to tell Principal Dinkleton about you hoarding candy and for yelling back at me, cruelly.
Billy and Bobby: Oh…(before mischievous giggling)
[When Cursed Chara roared to be let out, the B-Boys and J-Girls got suspicious while the Six and Frisk felt nervous.]
Jessie: What was that?
Blue: (hesitantly) Nothing!
Julie: (notices the door moving) What’s in the closet?
Yellow: It’s none of your business! Now, give us back the candy bar!
Billy: (walks toward the Janitor’s closet with his friends) We’ll give it back if you show us what’s in the closet! We know the Janitor wouldn’t keep animals in his closet! You kids are holding an animal inside, aren’t you?
Purple: (shouted) No! We wouldn’t! Our friend is just grumpy, and she needs that candy bar to calm down.
[But the B-Boys push Orange, Purple, and Green out of the way of the door.]
Bobby: (takes the knob and opens the door) Yeah, right. We like to see it for ourselves.
[But when the B-Boys and J-Girls saw the Cursed Chara, they were so startled that Jenny dropped Frisk’s candy bar in fear. Frisk quickly takes the candy bar away as Cursed Chara roared at the B-Boys and J-Girls. They screamed and ran away as fast as lightning.]
Cyan: (smirked) Well, that’s one way to get rid of the Henry Twins and cronies.
Frisk: (throws the candy bar in Cursed Chara’s mouth) Anway, bon appetit, Chara!
[Once Cursed Chara swallows it, she turns back into Chara.]
Chara: Mmm, what kind of chocolate was that? And what did I miss?
Orange: (smiled) Well, the candy bar was Cookies and Cream Hershey’s, and your cursed form scared the riches out of the Henry Twins and their clique.
Green: (concerned) But should we be worried about that?
Cyan: (closed her eyes) Nope, my future powers told me that no one would believe them.
Frisk: Cool. Now, let’s head to the treehouse. (leads the way)
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Thoughts on Frisk, Chara, and the Player
Besides what I’ve covered briefly in the description of a comic a few years back, this is long overdue; however, since I might make something focusing on Chara in the future, I decided to go ahead and put down my two cents on these two characters. Since this is effectively a long essay, I’ll have everything below the cut:
One of the most longstanding debates among Undertale fans is the morality of these characters and their relation to the Player. Some see Frisk and Chara as effectively polar embodiments of good and evil following the Pacifist and Genocide routes while others see the Player alone as the individual in control of all choices with the two characters bowing to that control. The truth might be somewhere in the middle.
Let’s cover the most basic thing first. The Player is you. Yes, it’s your decisions that take the story in different directions, but you are not a character. You are not a part of the world of Undertale. You’re an intruder, an outsider, an anomaly--something that the people in Undertale only seem to have a vague understanding of. Characters like Flowey will break the 4th wall by calling you out for your actions, but it’s often from the idea that you’re still Chara--even if Chara’s own story played out long before you came in. Chara will ask for your SOUL, but you personally don’t actually sacrifice anything: Even as far as the game’s story goes with the “Soulless Pacifist” route, the most you lose is the time is takes to reinstall the game and play it as you normally would. You can cheat them out of “your SOUL” easily. They think you’re Frisk.
Most glaringly, however, is that both Frisk and Chara will fight against some of your decisions. For Chara, you have them not giving you much of a choice with how you end the Genocide route and declaring that you were never in control, amongst other actions like killing Asgore and Flowey. Most people might not notice Frisk’s refusal beyond the fact that we don’t pick their name like we can Chara’s; however, the point where this becomes most clear is during our interactions with Undyne on a Pacifist Run. When we try to become Undyne’s friend and she insists on fighting anyway after her house catches fire, we have the choice to fight back. Doing so though results in a weak attack, which Undyne declares as being the result of a lack of will to hurt her. That isn’t the Player’s decision, and it effectively forces us to spare her whether we want to or not.
This relationship parallels what we also see in Deltarune, with the Player there also exhibiting control over Kris, but Kris fighting back. Kris isn’t an empty vessel or puppet for the Player to manipulate, and the same can be said for Frisk and Chara in Undertale. It’s a form of temporary possession, where we--an otherworldly being--take over a host for as long a period as the game’s designers allow. It means that we can’t pin our actions on either Frisk or Chara. Let’s go back to that second paragraph though. The other characters don’t really know this, making Frisk/Chara/Kris suffer as a result.
From a gameplay perspective, this is an awesome idea to tackle. From a story perspective, meanwhile, things get a little complicated.
Here’s the thing about handling it simply as a story: The Player often has to be ripped out of the equation. Again, you aren’t a character, and the only way the Player can really be present in the world of Undertale is as an OC or persona based on the independent choices of each creator. Keeping them out means leaving the choices we would normally make 100% up to Frisk/Chara. Ergo, stop attacking artists and writers for their portrayals of those two when creators have to give them qualities that are entirely up to each individuals ideas and experiences to try and fill in a bunch of blanks. Beyond Chara’s backstory giving us some information on who they were, which is mostly told to us through other characters, there is no perfectly in-character portrayal of either of them.
Which I guess brings us to the part where I try explaining my idea of them. So let’s start with Chara, since again, they have the most background info.
What are some canon points we can cover with Chara?
Asriel describes them as “not the greatest person,” but still cared for them deeply as his best friend. From the recordings in the True Lab, we see they had a good friendship, even if Chara often took a more leading role.
Also according to Asriel, Chara “hated humanity” and had an unhappy reason for climbing the mountain.
It was Chara’s plan to commit suicide, have Asriel take their SOUL, and try to kill humans to break the barrier.
Chara laughed after poisoning Asgore with buttercups. It’s presumed by Asriel to have been an accident, but we don’t know Chara’s knowledge on the situation.
An extended monologue from Asgore has him describe Frisk and Chara as having “the same look of hope in their eyes.”
Asgore considered Chara “the future of humans and monsters.”
They refer to themselves as “the demon who comes when people call its name.”
As of the Genocide route, their goal is the complete destruction of Undertale’s world to join the Player and move on to another. They pin the Player’s actions on their newfound “purpose” to attain power.
Narration in the game is different depending on the route, speaking commonly from a 2nd-person POV on Pacifist and Neutral runs, but 1st-person on a Genocide run. This alludes that Chara is always with us during gameplay.
Chara’s dialogue mimics Toriel’s, hinting to a close relationship following the concepts of mimicry being a form of flattery and a child’s desire to be like a positive adult figure in their lives.
So here’s what I think. Chara’s hatred toward humanity is supported not only by Asriel’s confession, but also in their actions. If Chara took control as Asriel described after crossing the Barrier to kill humans and take their SOULS, that willingness to commit murder along with their own suicide indicates not only that general disdain, but also a hefty amount of self-loathing simply for being human. Whatever happened to them prior to entering the Underground, that hatred was likely only nursed further by knowledge and ideas fed to them from monsterkind: Humans hurt monsters too and monsters are supposedly “made of compassion” while “humans don’t need any.” (They may have even been bullied or faced prejudice for being human, even if it wasn’t from the Dreemurrs, just like how Frisk was constantly attacked on-site.) This likely led to a monster-centric worldview where all of humanity--and even themselves, to a point--was the enemy.
I imagine the “Mr. Dad Guy” sweater we find was made by Chara rather than Asriel because of the inclusion of “guy” at the end, since this seems like something more of an adopted child would do than a biological one, maybe not entirely comfortable with the idea yet of calling Toriel and Asgore “Mom” and “Dad.” I truly do think Chara loved their newfound family and never meant to hurt Asgore: The laugh, while it can’t be confirmed, seemed to be a mark of mental instability rather than something of true malice. With the pressure of being called “the future of humans and monsters” as well, they probably felt like they had to be responsible for humanity’s actions as a whole even if they personally did nothing wrong. From that perspective, their life--and any other human’s--mattered less than a monster’s, because they had to atone for the crimes of others. Humanity itself had to atone. This is why they would be so willing to sacrifice themselves and kill for the sake of breaking the Barrier.
So what happens when the monsters Chara placed on a pedestal start breaking their script? Asriel stopping Chara from committing murder is one thing: That seemed to be one part of the plan that Chara didn’t tell him about, probably because they knew he wouldn’t agree to it. Beyond that though? What happens when monsters stop showing that legendary compassion? Asriel started playing with lives and killed for fun as Flowey. Asgore declared war against humanity and started killing children. Toriel left her position as queen and couldn’t protect anyone. Not only was their happy family broken, but monsters started acting like the humans they claimed to be better than through their own “weaknesses” and desire to kill. They were supposed to be above humanity’s choices, above even Chara’s choices. Vengeance isn’t an excuse anymore: It’s all the same, and it feels like the ultimate betrayal.
They’re all the same. Monsters, humans, it doesn’t matter. It’s an ugly world where only the strong and terrible reign, and it deserves to be destroyed. There’s nothing left. There’s no good left. There’s no hope left...
Unless, maybe, someone new enters the game. Can they rekindle that hope or will they only prove those dark thoughts right?
In comes Frisk, who we really only know as a blank slate. We don’t know their history or their desires except to leave the Underground one way or another. We can’t really say much, so this is where it really is entirely up in the air how we portray them.
A personal headcanon of mine is that they were a bit of a little thief, “frisking” things off of others--which is why we can get G even without killing in the game. A very morally grey character, fitting the multiple routes Undertale’s story can go and Sans description of them “maybe not being a saint” even if they play as a Pacifist. Maybe they don’t really know what the right choice always is, but they desire to do their best when possible.
I can’t say much here because, as I’ve said several times now, it’s up to everyone. Me? I like a Pacifist Frisk, even if they struggling and suffer before reaching their happy ending. Some might have them go through a Genocide route on their own or by Chara’s possession. Some have them with guilt-riddled consciences and others treat them as the purest of souls. Some pick different endings.
So enjoy your interpretations, your characterizations, and your AUs. You don’t have to agree with my ideas or anyone else’s: Just don’t bash others for theirs. Undertale’s gameplay opens things to everyone’s personal experience and should be enjoyed as such.
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Could you elabirate about why Papyrus reminds Flowey of Chara? I'm really curious.
Sure, but I want to preface this by saying its been ages since I’ve written Undertale Meta so excuse me for being a bit rusty. Also, there’s a lot of personal conjecture and interpretation here so feel free to take what I say with a grain of salt…
This is pretty much a counter argument to people claiming that Papyrus resembling Asriel is the reason why he’s Floweys favorite. I’ll get into why I think that isn’t true in a second (and why I think he actually is more like Chara) but first I’d like to point out that this theory doesn’t even make sense.
Flowey’s relationship with Asriel is complicated. On a technical level they’re the same person, yes, but in reality, they’re more like separate entities. While I do believe there is some Asriel left in Flowey, Asriel himself states at the end of the pacifist route that Flowey and he are not the same. More importantly though, Flowey talks about Asriel with clear resentment. He says Asriel was weak and blames the failure of the plan to free monsterkind on himself.
Keeping this in mind, it doesn’t make sense that Papyrus reminding Flowey of Asriel would be a positive thing to him. Especially considering the way Flowey speaks about his first encounters with Asgore and Toriel. Flowey doesn’t seem to want a constant reminder of his old life around, let alone a constant reminder of his old self. If Papyrus was like Asriel, I can only imagine Flowey would resent him too and not have him as a best friend.
“But Shara,” I hear you cry “Flowey is hardly a good friend. In fact, he's kind of a jerk and he manipulated Papyrus in the pacifist ending!”. Which, yes, that’s a fair point. I’m not saying he deserves a “friend of the year” award, but I’ve definitely been over why I feel their friendship is not just a charade on Flowey’s part. It might have started as such, but it's not anymore I think.
For example, the plan to use Papyrus to lure everybody into his trap at the end of the pacifist route wasn’t concocted until after Frisk fell, and they were friends long before that, so it can’t be the reason why Flowey befriended him in the first place.
Granted this is veering a little into headcanon territory, but there also is canon evidence to support this, such as the anniversary event where Flowey was the only one who knew what Papyrus’ favorite food was, and was seemingly annoyed at the fact that nobody else knew.

And also the dialogue you get if you keep doing neutral runs without ever attempting a genocide or pacifist run.


Here Flowey accuses the player of continually resetting and visiting him out of curiosity and boredom rather than a genuine desire to befriend him. This mirrors the part where he talks about his friendship with Papyrus being a result of his own curiosity and Papyrus (for some reason not actually properly explained in canon) being “fun to mess with” and a character that took a long time for Flowey to get bored off. Then we get this tidbit:

Not only is this line very interesting but the facial expression is important too. You can read it as discomfort, clearly, but it is also very much a guilty expression. This is the same expression Flowey has at the end of the pacifist route when addressing the player and compelling them not to reset anymore because it would take away everybody’s happy ending. It also happens to be the same expression he has when talking about the Flowey Fan Club as well as at the exact line I mentioned above, where he admits Papyrus was his “favorite”.
Seems to me like Flowey is expressing guilt or embarrassment about his original intentions behind befriending Papyrus…
Now to get into the main thing: Why do people think Papyrus and Asriel are similar? The hard part is that we don’t know that much about Asriel when you think about it. He’s been long dead before the events of the game. We get some bits and pieces here and there but most info comes from Flowey himself, who is hardly an unbiased source. However, it's fair to say Asriel was very kind, innocent even, and pretty naive. A crybaby, in his own words. And if you take the most shallow, basic interpretation of Papyrus (the kind of fanon that makes me want to pull my hair out) what do you get? That Papyrus is kind, innocent and naive.
The only word in that list I do not take offense to is kind. Papyrus is undeniably a very kind person. But he is not innocent or naive. I could go into why I say this but honestly, it has been argued to death not just by me but by the entire fandom at this point, you’ve all heard it before. Papyrus is an actor. He’s good at showing people the parts of himself he wants them to see. It's unlikely that he’s completely faking it, I do believe Papyrus is genuinely a positive and quirky person. But he’s also playing up those parts to the extreme. Which leaves us with a lot of subtle clues as to his real feelings. Meanwhile, Asriel wears his heart on his sleeve. Crybaby, remember? And what about Asriel being a coward? Papyrus is anything but a coward.
So let's talk about Chara then. Once again we face the same problem we did earlier. Chara is long gone and we don’t know a lot about them besides what Flowey tells us, unless you subscribe to the “Chara is the narrator” theory, which I personally do, but since I know some people are still on the fence regarding this I’ll keep to strictly canon dialogue first.
Asriel says Chara wasn’t the nicest person. True enough, their plan to destroy the barrier by means of killing themselves and then a bunch of humans wasn’t exactly a solid idea. However, it was made with good intentions. Chara was willing to sacrifice themselves for the sake of freeing their newfound family. Chara wanted to help fix something they saw as undeniably wrong: the way humans treat others.
But this was also about revenge. Chara was bitter. They didn’t climb the mountain for a happy reason, according to Asriel. Asgore tells us something different too. He says he can see “the same hope in Frisk’s eyes that he saw in [Chara]”. So here we find what is both the big similarity and the big difference between Chara and Papyrus. Both of them are genuinely filled with hope, with belief, and with the motivation to make things better. They just manifested it differently.
Where Papyrus seems to maintain this disposition even in the face of adversary and unkindness, believing in you all the way until his death in the genocide route, Chara has already faced the kind of behavior that has made them resentful of things they consider unfair or unjust.
Both of them are willing to act upon these feelings of righteousness at least, however ill-advised, in contrast with Asriel (or ironically: Sans), who seems to be a more static, laid back person that didn’t like shaking up the status quo and just went along with what others did. Even Flowey himself only engages when he’s sure he has an ace up his sleeve and is unwilling to act thoughtlessly or impulsively.
As the tape in the True Lab betrays, Chara was also a hard person to read, and both an excellent liar as well as an actor. They were hard to figure out, at the very least, and Asriel expressed joy at seeing a glimpse of their unguarded emotions when they smiled genuinely. Once again though, Chara seems to do this because they want to come across as colder and more emotionless than they really are, giving the impression that they don’t care about anyone or anything. While Papyrus is always trying to come across more happy and untroubled than he really is, and rather keeps his more negative feelings to himself.
The result for both of them is the same though: they are distanced from their friends and family, I’d almost go as far as to say that even those closest to them barely know them, and they are misunderstood in the most fundamental way. Their motivations are harder to figure out than those of most other characters, for sure. It would definitely go some way into explaining why Flowey was so fascinated by Papyrus from the start…
If you do believe in the Narra!Chara theory, there are some small details that match too. Chara is a rather goofy person actually and often makes jokes, but expresses disgust at puns and Sans’ rather lazy sense of humor where he goes for the most obvious wordplays. Just like Papyrus, who the fandom often portrays as hating puns when in reality he loves them, just not the kind Sans makes because they’re easy. Chara is also implied to be quite fond of books/reading and cooking, as is Papyrus. They both come across as inquisitive to me. The narrator's retorts can be unexpectedly sarcastic, or even dark, not unlike some of Papyrus’ dialogue. There’s some other minor things but honestly this post is way too long as is so I’ll just leave it there
Conclusion: Flowey made the same mistake the fandom made in assuming Papyrus was a one-dimensional person who is easy to fool, only be confronted with his new best friend being strangely similar to his old one and now he has no soul and a weird attachment to this strange skeleton who everybody underestimates. He even admits that Chara is the only person he would still care about now. Kind of a weird statement, except if you consider he has found somebody like Chara that sparked some kind of actual emotion in him (whether that be friendship, compassion, guilt, or something else)
What do you guys think? I’d love to hear your thoughts, or if you want to tell me this post was a horrible read from start to finish you can do that too
#Undertale#Papyrus#Chara#Flowey#undertale meta#my writing#answer#an amazing anon#this became so long what the fuck#I tried bolding a bit so it'd be easier to read i'm so sorry#anyway excuse me while I write a fic based on this now
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The True Power of NEO: Part 2
To see previous entries in the series, check out "The True Power of NEO" tag on the ArgentDandelion blog. Made with help from CinnamonAzzy and Ihasafandom.
Introduction and Overall Theme
What Mettaton thought would happen. Image from NCHProductions' Chara vs. Mettaton NEO YouTube video.
General Motivation and Tactic Explanations
Alphys, Undyne, and Gerson are more pragmatic, even cowardly or “dirty”, in their approaches. Alphys stays away from the Human, hindering them with laser traps (probably remotely). Most of the time, Undyne attacks from a distance, using the environment to her advantage to hinder the human’s movements, kill them, or give her cover. Gerson doesn’t try to attack the human, shrewdly selling them items, and possibly knowing the Human can’t kill shopkeepers. None of them, not even Undyne, are looking for fame, nor do they want to absorb the Human’s SOUL themselves.
Initially, Mettaton encounters the human in Hotland, but doesn't fight them, saying: "The world needs stars more than it needs corpses!" However, he changes his mind, later saying:
"You see, I can't be a star without an audience. And besides...there are some people...I want to protect."
He doesn't stick with pragmatism. Why?
For the sake of concision, the following section covers Mettaton’s aspects of Mettaton’s modus operandi shared by all three tactics.
Reason 1: Invulnerability
Consider Mettaton’s tactics. Alphys, Gerson, and Undyne understand they are all vulnerable to the human’s attacks, but Mettaton doesn’t have the same problem. His original body is supposedly “invulnerable”, according to flavor text. Furthermore, judging by the Mad Dummy dialogue and Mad Mew Mew battle, he probably can’t be killed by physical attacks. Note that when fighting Mad Mew Mew, damage is only listed in the final strike: it's unclear whether a body-destroying strike can be somewhat damaging to a ghost possessing the body, or whether that was damage to the physical object. Even then, Mad Mew Mew survives the dismemberment of her body, seemingly unharmed, as she didn’t fuse with her body yet. If Mettaton can assume he won’t fuse with his body and become corporeal, then confronting the human is pretty sensible.
Reason 2: Drama/Bloodshed/Heroism
As shown in the Neutral/Pacifist Routes, he wants to exploit the human to gain fame (e.g., his TV segments), but also kill the human, take their SOUL, and be a star on the Surface. Mettaton has a flair for the dramatic, as well as a taste for violence and bloodshed. After all, all of his shows in other routes are violent, even when the shows’ genres typically aren’t violent.
Although exploding the CORE’s exit ahead of time would block the human, it doesn’t have the same drama and bloodshed as fighting them. Though there are much more pragmatic tactics to block or kill the human, but he doesn't take them: probably because it’s not glamorous or heroic enough. Neither attacking from a distance Undyne-style or herding the human into traps seems very heroic or "anime". Mettaton may have wanted to block the exit while the human was in the room, dealing damage at the same time the entrance was sealed.
To avoid confrontation with the human entirely is the safest route, just in case he’s not as invulnerable as he thinks or he somehow fuses with his body. However, doing so simply isn’t dramatic, nor violent.
Reason 3: Cross the Barrier (and Be a Star)
Yet, neither blocking the entrance ahead of the human nor blocking the entrance as the human enters the room fits his motives as much as killing the human. Mettaton loves humanity. Part of the reason he wants to kill the Human on the Neutral and Pacifist Routes is so he, not Asgore, can take their SOUL, allowing him to cross the barrier and perform for millions of humans.
It is unclear whether he wants to protect humanity from getting wiped out purely so he can perform for them: if monsters waged war and created a huge prison camp of humans that Mettaton could perform for, would he be happy then?
If he blocks the exit, the people of New Home will be safe (for a while, at least), but someone else (i.e., Asgore with six SOULs) might come in and kill the human instead of him.
Reason 4: Protect Humanity (from the Genocidal Human and Asgore)
Overlapping with the above reason, it is necessary to keep the seventh human SOUL away from Asgore, and to stop the destruction of the barrier.
The biggest difference between a high-murder Neutral Route and the Genocide Route is how, in the Genocide Route, monsters believe the human will try to wipe out humanity.
Undyne (pre-Undying): "This isn't just about monsters anymore, is it? If you get past me, you'll... You'll destroy them all, won't you? Monsters... Humans... Everyone..."
Mettaton (Genocide Route):"After our first meeting, I realized...something ghastly. You're not just a threat to monsters...but humanity, as well."
Under ordinary circumstances, even a hateful child armed with improvised weapons wouldn’t really be a threat to humanity. A monster with a human SOUL is a “beast with unfathomable power”. If the reverse applies, the genocidal human might be a threat to humans only after absorbing Asgore’s SOUL. Although zeal in killing monsters doesn’t guarantee zeal in killing humans, Undyne and Mettaton both believe the human is still a threat to humanity. What’s worse, in the Genocide Route there’s a lot more urgency for Asgore to absorb the six SOULS he’s collected. Undyne believes Alphys has been watching her battle, and has surely instructed Asgore to absorb the six human SOULs and so gain the power to stop the Human. Even Flowey hurries to Asgore, likely begging him to absorb the Human SOULs and fight the genocidal human.
Reason 5 and 6: A Humanoid Body, and Fusing With It
Mettaton really, really wants to change into his new body, to the point he often asks Alphys for progress on it. It’s not simply because it’s cool, or has improved dancing ability. It seems that he has some sort of body dysmorphia, for, according to his diary:
“She [Alphys] surprised me with something today. Sketches of a body that she wants to create for me...a form beyond my wildest fantasies. In a form like that, I could finally feel like..."myself". After all, there's no way I can be a star the way I am now."
In the Neutral and Genocide Routes, Mettaton shows his boxy mode was his original mode, so he’s surely lying about swapping to a more “photogenic” boxy body in the Genocide Route. Judging by Mad Dummy/Glad Dummy/Mad Mew Mew, ghosts fuse with their bodies when they feel pure, unbridled emotions while possessing a body. Most likely, Mettaton expected that emotion to be happiness.
Summary
Unlike all other characters, Mettaton has many desires, is driven to fulfill those desires, and all his desires are fulfilled, almost all at once, if he can kill the human in his humanoid form. If he doesn’t take the Human’s SOUL himself, it’s likely Asgore will, and he’s expected to break the barrier and try to destroy all humanity as soon as he does. If Mettaton can kill the genocidal human in a humanoid form, he gets everything he wants: showing off his humanoid body, glamour (and glory), violence, and a human SOUL. Indeed, this anticipation of getting all he desires might have been the "unbridled emotion" necessary to fuse him with his body.
Weak Points & Problems
All his likely tactics rely on one thing: that Mettaton won’t die if his body is damaged (whether from self-destruction or combat) because he hasn’t fused with his body.
In fairness to Mettaton, fusing with his body when encountering the human wasn’t guaranteed, and it might have seemed unlikely. Most likely, he believed fighting the human would only help him eventually fuse with his body. After all, fusing instantly is just too unlikely. Yet, it seems this is difficult to achieve, even under good conditions, so exactly when they fuse is impossible to predict. In the Genocide Route, Mad Dummy fuses instantly, surprising them. Mad Mew Mew, however, doesn't become corporeal during or immediately after the battle, saying:
"Huh...? Such... such kindness...!It's... making me FEEL something! It may be a while before I can truly fuse with this body. But, I think this is a start...!”
Furthermore, it's also possible that, if "unbridled emotion" causes fusing with one's body, Mettaton didn't consider fear would work, and seriously underestimated how afraid he would be while fighting the human.
In conclusion, Mettaton's sheer level of confidence, combined with presumably good offensive and defensive options, meant he didn't create a backup plan.
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How does the narrator have so much info on monsters and items? Magic. [Undertale theory]
Slightly more refined version of a theory I had previously posted to Reddit.
Screenshots are a courtesy of @nochocolate, @determinators, u/HylianAngel & Funny756. Some of the screenshots are from version 1.0, so they might be outdated.
Something that might go over the heads of many people when playing the game is the fact that the narrator has info on almost all the monsters and items from the underground, and sometimes even describes what they are thinking or feeling. Most probably wouldn’t pay any mind to this and just dismiss it as the “omniscient narrator” doing its job, however as many of you may know the narrator isn’t omniscient:
They don’t know what a water sausage is, and learn its name at the same time as us.
They don’t recognize much of the equipment in the True Lab.
They incorrectly describe the Monster Candy as having a “non-licorice flavor”.
They incorrectly describe Frisk’s actions when fighting one of the Amalgamates.
The fact that the narrator has info on most of the monsters and items, and even seems to be able to read their minds becomes even more problematic when you consider what is arguably the most prominent Undertale theory, Narrachara, as although we don’t get an exact timeline it’s heavily implied that there is a long gap of time between Chara’s death and the events of Undertale, so they wouldn’t know the details of many of the items and monsters, and they obviously can’t read minds (Unless you believe Undyne’s theory that humans have mind control powers). Some examples of the narrator seemingly reading the monsters’ minds:
Temmie forgot her other attack.
CHILLDRAKE - ATK 12 DEF 7 | Rebels against everything!! Looking for its friend Snowy.
ICE CAP - ATK 11 DEF 4 | This teen wonders why it isn't named 'Ice Hat'.
Ice Cap is thinking about a certain article of clothing.
Glyde is thinking of new slang for the word "cool." Like "freakadacious."
Papyrus is thinking about what to wear for his date.
Papyrus is thinking about what to cook for his date.
Shyren thinks about doing karaoke by herself.
Shyren thinks about her future.
Froggit doesn't seem to know why it's here.
Final Froggit knows exactly why it's here.
Undyne thinks of her friends and pounds the ground with her fists.
And whilst there has been an attempt to justify this* it leaves much to wish, as it relies heavily on conjectures and leaves many questions unanswered. Nonetheless, there is plenty of evidence that, like saving, loading, ATK, LV, determination, etc, this is yet another instance of Toby trying to integrate game mechanics as part of the Undertale universe – it’s not that the narrator already knows this info, but rather often monsters are the ones who provide it, and items are also often embedded with theirs.
I feel like I should say this upfront: I know nochocolate already made a post on this. I did come across it when looking for screenshots while writing this, but I did also reach this conclusion on my own. Despite them having already made a theory on it I figured I should chip in on the matter, since there is a lot of evidence they don’t mention, and they also don’t talk about items.
Names
Let’s start with names. The fact that names are provided by the monsters themselves is made pretty obvious, as one of the Froggits in the Ruins outright tells us that yellow and pink names are actual “things” the monsters own*. Besides this we also have three more clues that make this even clearer:
Temmie misspells her own name during battle.
We don’t get to see Endogeny, Reaper Bird and Memoryhead’s names until after they’ve calmed down. So either they can’t or don’t want to show us their info, possibly because of their fractured minds.
During the fight with Asriel, first his name in the menu is "Asriel Dreemurr", later when the rainbow effects start, the letters of his name start moving around and are also rainbow-colored. Later when he enters his true form the rainbow effects are gone, and his name changes to just "Asriel".
Stats
Stats are also an easy one.
Temmie doesn’t give us her stats, but rather says that she’s “RATED TEM OUTTA TEM”.
Glyde also refuses to give us his stats.
We also don’t get to see the stats of Endogeny, Reaper Bird and Memoryhead, or even get the option to check Lemon Bread.
Check
While the check text is a bit more tricky, once again the clues we have point towards the conclusion that the info we see in them is often provided by the monsters themselves.
Chilldrake’s description tells us that he’s “Looking for its friend Snowy”, so not only does he give us his info, but he outright tells us what he’s doing at that moment.
Sans' check could be a joke he put there himself, as it says he's the "easiest enemy" despite being arguably the hardest.
Undyne’s description also points towards this conclusion, as her description reads “The heroine that NEVER gives up.”:
This emphasis on “never” is one of her mannerisms, as we see her do this multiple times throughout the game:
(When calling her in the room hidden behind the waterfall) - When I feel like relaxing, I always take a break there. That means NEVER!! I HATE RELAXING!!
(When calling her next to the bird) - That bird will carry anyone past the gap. It NEVER says no. When I was younger, it gave me a lift. It took an hour... But this bird NEVER once thought of giving up!!!
(When hanging out) - I mean, look, he was SUPPOSED to capture you... and he ended up being FRIENDS with you instead! I could NEVER send him into battle!
(If you kill Papyrus before fighting her) - Look. Papyrus didn't come to his meeting today. Say what you want about him. He's weird, he's naive, he's self-absorbed... But Papyrus has NEVER missed a meeting.
(Alphys even makes a point to do the same if we ask her to roleplay Undyne during the date) - "Ngahhhh!!! Hey, Alphys! You look cute today! Which I say often! But platonically because I would NEVER like you.”.
Besides, having never met Undyne before, the narrator wouldn’t know of her resolve to never give up, so either the narrator is someone who knows Undyne or this info was quite simply given by Undyne herself.
During our rematch with Undyne her description changes to “This time, don’t hold anything back!”, a message put up there by Undyne herself.
It wouldn’t really make any sense for Frisk or the narrator to incite us to fight in a pacifist route (even using a real attack rather than the “Fake attack” option does f*ck all since Frisk has no intention to fight). Meanwhile Undyne was the one who wanted the rematch herself, and is even letting us make the first move, so she obviously wants to fight. She also uses this exact same phrase moments prior, when inciting us to turn up the heat of the stove:
And once again towards the end when her and Alphys are about to kiss:
Showing us that this is yet another of her mannerisms.
When checking Memoryhead the narrator just outright tells us “No data available.”, meaning Memoryhead didn’t give them any info, and apparently the narrator couldn't come up with a description of their own. Only after we’ve placated the amalgamate do we get a description, and it simply reads “MEMORYHEAD”.
When checking Reaper Bird his description is Whimsalot, Final Froggit and Astigmatism’s checks overlapped, and the same thing happens with its dialogue, which shows us that this isn’t the narrator’s doing (and why would the narrator do that, anyways?).
Items
The info of items also seems to often be embedded in the item itself, as we see several similarities with how the info of monsters is given to us.
We don’t get to see how much HP the Dog Salad recovers, and the same thing happens with the Snail Pie, meaning that just like monsters can refuse to give their info, the info in items can be omitted.
The description of the Monster Candy says that it has a “distinct, non-licorice flavor”, yet when we use it the narrator says that it tastes like licorice, so the info in the item was wrong.
Mind you, even after using it the narrator never updates their description of the Monster Candy, meaning that they aren’t saying what they think of the item, but rather just reading the info they are given.
Differently from every other item, whose names are properly capitalized, that is not the case for the Temmie Armor.
This not only would be weird for the narrator to do since the name of every other item is properly capitalized, but also happens to be what Temmie calls it on her shop, and is also consistent with Temmie misspelling her own name as mentioned previously.
Temmie also often doesn’t capitalize her phrases properly when we’re fighting her, hence everything points towards the conclusion that Temmie was the one who named the “temy armor” like that.
The description of the Snowman Piece also indicates that the info of the items is embedded in them, as it reads:
Which is a message likely put there by the Snowman himself.
Whilst another possibility is that the narrator is the one reiterating the Snowman’s request, this doesn’t seem to be the case. The narrator has no qualms about us eating the Snowman Piece even in the pacifist route, and in the genocide route we still see this same message despite Frisk taking a piece of the Snowman before he can even finish making his request, and when checking the remains of the Snowman the narrator describes it as “(A useless pile of snow.)”, hence they'd have even less reason to care about the Snowman's request.
A question that might arise is whether this could also apply to items that humans made, as seems to be the case with some of the weapons and armor. It's a common theory that some of the items we find were left behind by the humans that fell before Frisk, such as the Burnt Pan, Cowboy Hat, the Torn Notebook, etc, as seems to be indicated by the fact that we see these items during the fight with Flowey when fighting the different souls.
Of course, it’s possible that they didn’t enter the underground with these items, but rather found or bought them and equipped them during their adventure, however I think that the probability that they did in fact already enter the underground with these items is reasonable enough that this is something worth addressing: Could items made by humans really be magical?
And the answer is that yes, we do have an example of this: The Bandage. This is an item that Frisk has from the very beginning of the game, and just like other armor we get in the game it influences our stats. And when we unequip it and use it during battle, we instantly recover HP - just like the items made by the monsters which, as Big Mouth tells us, instantly convert into energy. So although there are items which don't seem to be made of nor infused with magic, such as the stick Frisk has with them or the Worn Dagger, even items made by humans can be made of, or be infused with magic, as is the case with the Bandage - something which is further corroborated by the fact that we see humans using magic at the opening of the game.
How is this possible? Magic. (But seriously, it’s magic)
One of the books in the library tells us that monsters express themselves through magic:
And it seems that this is what Toby meant when adding this line – he was trying to add a justification to the fact that we’re able to see monsters’ names, stats, check text and sometimes even their thoughts. Monsters give the narrator their info through magic, which also explains the erratic behavior when checking the amalgamates, since they are several monsters melted together.
The same thing happens with many items, which are either made out of or infused with magic (We’re told by Big Mouth that monster food doesn’t spoil, and that when eaten it converts perfectly into energy). In the same manner that monsters, who are mostly made out of magic, can give us or omit their info if they wish, the same happens with items, which is why the Snowman can leave a message in his piece, why they can have incorrect information in them such as with the Monster Candy, or just not have any info at all like with the Dog Salad.
This is not to say that the narrator never gives a description of their own, of course. Sometimes the narrator just describes the monster themselves, such as in Endogeny’s case, since they didn’t give us any information initially, even their name:
Or in Glyde’s case, who also doesn’t want to give the narrator any info:
There are also cases where it seems the narrator is given info by the monsters, but they also chip in themselves, such as in Vulkin’s case:
Or in Napstablook’s case, where whatever it is that Napstablook told the narrator it made them reach the conclusion that Napstablook doesn’t have a sense of humor:
In summary, while there are instances where the info and descriptions we get could be justified as the narrator knowing the monsters or simply stating the obvious, there are those which can’t be explained that easily. Nonetheless, it seems that Toby tries to add a justification to these instances by outright telling us that monsters express themselves through magic, and that they are the ones who provide us their names, besides giving us obvious examples where the monsters and items provide us their stats and descriptions.
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THE POSITIVE & NEGATIVE; MUN & MUSE - MEME.
FILL OUT & REPOST ♥ This meme definitely favors canons more, but I hope OC’s still can make it somehow work with their own lore, and lil’ fandom of friends & mutuals. Multi-Muses pick the muse you are the most invested in atm. TAGGED BY: @mrfunnybone TAGGING: @sxvethequeen @a-real-chara-cter
MY MUSE IS: CANON / oc / au / canon-divergent / fandomless / complicated
Is your character popular in the fandom? YES / NO. ( She’s good, you guys. }
Is your character considered hot™ in the fandom? YES / NO / IDK. { Don’t Google it. }
Is your character considered strong in the fandom? YES / NO / IDK. { Mostly. You get the occasional guy that didn’t check her stats or forgot certain scenes, but it’s rare in my experience. }
Are they underrated? YES / NO / IDK. { Guys, she’s very good. }
Were they relevant for the main story? YES / NO { I think so, anyway! She’s the one that rescues you in the Ruins and she’s significant in many endings, among other things. }
Were they relevant for the main character? YES / NO / THEY’RE THE PROTAG. { She is your mom and she will be your mom and you are gonna like it. }
Are they widely known in their world? YES / NO. { Queen of the monsters! }
How’s their reputation? GOOD / BAD / NEUTRAL. { She’s got a lot of good will as a fair and kind ruler, but she also ditched her job at the worst time. Aaand a rebellion starts to straight up yeet her off the throne in one ending. So... depends? }
HOW STRICTLY DO YOU FOLLOW CANON? — As far as writing Toriel’s character, I follow canon as closely as possible, adding things of my own when there are gaps or room for creative license ---which Undertale has a lot of. As a general rule, I'm pretty conservative about breaking from canon without “good” reasons, but I’m not bound by it, either!
SELL YOUR MUSE! AKA TRY TO LIST EVERYTHING, WHICH MAKES YOUR MUSE INTERESTING IN YOUR OPINION TO MAKE THEM SPICY FOR YOUR MUTUALS. — So I’m just gonna take this opportunity to wax about why I love this lady:
Toriel is the result of a long and interesting life. She’s a runaway monarch with centuries of red letter events, memories and hard decisions behind her, many of which were extremely painful for her and others. She’s suffered loss and made it worse by choosing to cope with them alone. She’s been and can still be harsh and judgmental. And yet, and yet, and yet when you first meet her, you might never guess any of that; she’s overwhelmingly a loving, passionate and downright silly woman who extends her generosity to everyone around her. She still wants to be a teacher. She still wants a family. However imperfectly she may express it, nothing she’s been through has smothered that.
Not only does her natural humor and genuine warmth make her easy to like and trust for most people, but she’s usually quick to become invested in others; she cares what they think, how they feel, and who they are. Above all, she wants to help — and absolutely believes she can do that — whether people want her to or not. She knows what’s best, after all.
Toriel is good you guys she’s very good---
NOW THE OPPOSITE, LIST EVERYTHING WHY YOUR MUSE COULD NOT BE SO INTERESTING (EVEN IF YOU MAY NOT AGREE, WHAT DOES THE FANDOM PERHAPS THINK?). — Weeell, as far as canon goes, Toriel is only really an active agent in the beginning and the end; you don’t see her for a while between those story beats and that means she only really gets those moments to do anything interesting. Toriel is also less overtly “spicy” or “quirky” than some of her fellow cast members, too, so she might be outshone by them as far as raw personality goes.
WHAT INSPIRED YOU TO RP YOUR MUSE? — I was between fandoms and fresh off my first Undertale playthrough when I stumbled upon the RPC community. I’d been considering joining with a Toriel blog already, but what pushed me over the edge was a Sans writer and a Papyrus writer that I loved the stories of. Their work finally got me excited enough to throw my hat in. Even though they’re long gone, I’m still excited to see what sort of stuff I can contribute to!
WHAT KEEPS YOUR INSPIRATION GOING? — Whenever I see people writing together, it inspires me. Whenever I get myself on a long ramble about characters, it inspires me. Poetry inspires me. Spite inspires me. Just immersing myself in the world and act of creating stuff for the sake of it inspires me, basically!
SOME MORE PERSONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE MUN.
Give your mutuals some insight about the way you are in some matters, which could lead them to get more comfortable with you or perhaps not.
Do you think you give your character justice? YES...? / NO / { I don’t feel like I’ve done a whole lot with Toriel yet, but I’m feeling good about what I’ve managed so far. }
Do you frequently write headcanons? YES / NO / SORT OF? { I definitely come up with stuff, but I’m still a little timid about sharing my ideas. I’m workin’ on it! }
Do you sometimes write drabbles? YES / NO
Do you think a lot about your Muse during the day? YES / NO
Are you confident in your portrayal? YES / NO / SORT OF? {I have off days, but I think I’m good at her! }
Are you confident in your writing? YES ? / NO. { I’m a recovering perfectionist, which is what slows me down more than anything else. Accepting and internalizing that RPing is innately messier than solo writing takes work! }
Are you a sensitive person? YES / NO. / SORTA. { I guess that depends on what this refers to! Emotional stuff gets to me pretty easy (I’m a sap) and I hate seeing people being awful to each other, but as far as, say, being insulted and such, I usually don’t take what people say about me online to heart too easily. }
DO YOU ACCEPT CRITICISM WELL ABOUT YOUR PORTRAYAL? — Yes! We’ve all got blind spots and weaknesses somewhere; if you guys see one I don’t, I’d love to hear it.
DO YOU LIKE QUESTIONS, WHICH HELP YOU EXPLORE YOUR CHARACTER? — Totally. It’s my jam.
IF SOMEONE DISAGREES TO A HEADCANON OF YOURS, DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY? — I’m usually curious, but I don’t expect people to explain themselves to me or anything. I’m just really interested in the different ways the same character can be interpreted; it’s really fascinating!
IF SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH YOUR PORTRAYAL, HOW WOULD YOU TAKE IT? — Just fine! Honestly, I think it’s a good thing that we often don’t have the same vision for a given character. I’ve disagreed with how other people write Toriel, too!
IF SOMEONE REALLY HATES YOUR CHARACTER, HOW DO YOU TAKE IT? — Again, just fine! It’s a normal part of engaging with media as long as there isn’t any toxic behavior attached.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH PEOPLE POINTING OUT YOUR GRAMMATICAL ERRORS? — Yes. Guys, if you see me do things like- — and this is totally, 100% hypothetical and definitely not a thing I did— accidentally write two instances of “only” where there should very obviously be one, go right ahead and point it out to me. And ya know? I’m surprised no one’s pointed out problems with my em-dash abuse yet. Heh.
DO YOU THINK YOU ARE EASY GOING AS A MUN? — Generally yes, though I’m trying to be more easygoing. I’d like to be more proactive in talking to people and not worry so much about whether people will dig the things I post. But, uh, you know; recovering perfectionist!
#Game Paused (ooc)#meme tag tba (meme)#{ I can easily tell you why people don't l i k e Toriel but for some reason explaining why she could be uninteresting was... a t h i n g }#{ I've never seen anybody call her boring or anything---}
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