#chapter 3 theory

[lavendersartistry]

Could Ollie be Boogie Bot?

I think this type of theory can't be too far off.

To start: Neither Boogie Bot or Ollie are shown with a active appearance within the game. We only know of Boogie Bot because of his Chapter 2 cutout. Ollie also doesn't have a active appearance physically but uses the phone to communicate with the Player.

And a confirmation:

Ollie is NOT Hoppy.

Hoppy has a more lighter green while Ollie has a dark, vibrant green. Like a neon green.

When I first saw this difference, I looked up what other toys that were green that could be acceptable as a candidate to being Ollie.

And that can be Boogie Bot.

Boogie Bot has that vibrant green as his main color palette, Ollie's color is similar to that.

And think about how Ollie is able to be trusted yet never showing what he looks like or even how he is able to give keys to the Player throughout Chapter 3.

Machinery. Robot work.

You couldn't say the Prototype is Ollie because 1: We don't have its official identity color for subtitles, 2: Poppy wouldn't even want to be in contact with the Prototype (yeah she could be double-crossing but she sounds genuine a bit about Kissy being attacked) nor trust it due to the factory massacre, and 3: Prototype could most likely be someone else like Elliot Ludwig.

Also, from the cutout, Boogie Bot says: "Am I a real boy?" It could mean that a child was used and inner conflicting with what they truly are.

My best guess is that Ollie was a successful child experiment Poppy knew about that was assigned to Boogie Bot and can now easily access to all machines and devices to be a guide for the Player.

[qwakque]

Say Goodbye To Yesterday my Friend

[razzafrazzle]

ouji ralsei!! he should look a lil more Princely imo

[image description: a page of drawings of ralsei from deltarune in a pastel green and pink androgynous prince outfit with ruffles, a cravat, stripes green and white socks, and a pink corset. on the left is a full drawing of the outfit on him, on the top right is a chibi drawing of him smiling and happliy dancing, and on the bottom right is a simplistic close-up of his face. end id]

[pancake404]

Sometimes, To Win You Play Both Sides

If Dogday and Catnap thought the other was delusional, it would be funny since the irony here is that they’re both actively listening to the same person. (Implying that Dogday was part of Safe Haven which is likely since Dogday mentions Poppy, seemingly being on her side)

If Dogday was a spy to know more about the Prototype’s plan like I previously theorized and built a relationship(whether accidentally or intentionally) with Catnap, it would make sense if the Prototype also pretending to be Ollie already knew about that. Hell, he might as well been the one that introduced the idea of being a spy.

Let’s say, eventually out of a twisted joke he used the Fake Ollie persona to convince Dogday to try to get Catnap on Poppy’s side due to their bond. Surely Catnap would listen, right? Meanwhile, the Prototype is voicing his “concern” that Dogday might be a traitor and a spy to Catnap which Catnap is reluctant to believe.

The Prototype purposefully sets them up against each other and he might as well have grabbed popcorn because this would’ve been one hell of a twisted joke he set up since he knows that if Dogday admits he was a spy and on Poppy’s side, Catnap would be livid. Not only that, in Catnap’s eyes, his superhero is proven right again, isolating Catnap away from another person and maximizing loyalty to the Prototype.

Essentially, this would benefit the Prototype since that means one less bigger body on Poppy’s side/in the Safe Haven, Catnap would be further isolated and in loyalty to the Prototype, its not like Dogday can mention the idea of talking with Ollie to anyone so no one will find out as long as he stays in Playplace, and lastly, he could get a good laugh as he completely won again.

And we all know how that interaction went:

Looking back…this is the most Prototype thing to do.

[iotakaptur0]

What if there were more Runes in DELTARUNE, for every single letter of the Greek alphabet?

[giddygrsc]

So, it’s been in my head for quite a while… but… I feel even worse for Catnap after the whole “revelation” from ch 4 of 1006 being Ollie, cause it just makes CN’s situation even sadder.

Like we have "Ollie" warning us about how much of a "monster" Catnap is and how dangerous it is to be in Playcare cause of it... But I wonder now if he actually was just brainwashing us into thinking that Catnap was a devil just so we would be on edge all the time? Dont get me wrong, I am not saying that CN wasnt dangerous, but we barely see him during all the chapter, just once inside the house that, we dont know if it was just an hallucination like the Huggy from the TV, then we see him when he pushes us destroying the mask but didnt harm us past that, just letting us there, then we see him on his shrine, and, after the mini critters and Dogday encounter, briefly when he warn us to leave (IF it was him and not the Prototype trying to lure us). Finally we see him a last time in the confrontation at the end. We dont know for sure if he is even stalking us. Just that he is aware where we are (and that could more possibly have to do with the Prototype than Catnap himself)

And I know some people will try to add Dogday's dialogue in the mix... But considering the recent info, how much if what he said actually happened? Or what if he ended up there because they found out he wasnt actually loyal to 1006? And how do we even know if Catnap is related to any of the deaths of the SC? But going back on track... Now knowing that the Prototype has been the one luring us, and tricking us... How much did he plan ahead? And, if his dialogue says something... Then does it mean that he never even cared for Catnap, his most loyal servant, even a little? At the end is all about him and Poppy isnt it? Like, have you stop thinking, how messed up that Theo, the kid that almost died for his "friend/god", Catnap, the one that was indoctrinated/gr00med into following blinded the Prototype (just like you claim Poppy was by "Ollie"), Catnap that was hinted to yave been a loner with a soft spot for other toys, tortured by the assholes workers like many other toys, was just "another" piece that could be discarded? Damn, that is really sad.

And, just a slight note: the why I address Catnap instead of, lets say, Mommy Long Legs, is cause she didnt seem to be attached to the Prototype, it mostly was her wanting to be free and, following the Prototype to not "be a part of him" so those are different situations. And no, this isn’t also to throw shade to the doggo or trying to excuse CN’s actions, it’s just me overthinking at an inhumane late hour xD thnks for read.

Btw! The one in the draw is player, wanted to make em not the average doll but neither that much ott personalized so fair warning xD

[poppiesbloodandgore]

"The Prototype will save us."

DEEP SLEEP 2024 | Poppy Playtime: Chapter 3

[templegate]

Unlocked the chapter 3 extra scene without knowing what it was. But i made an interesting observation about ms. Tsumugi here. i think i might've found the mastermind guys

[tommdale]

Poppy Playtime Theory

(Chapter 3 Spoilers Ahead)

I think that whoever we play as was attacked by Huggy Wuggy during the Hour of Joy

I mean think about it:

(Chapter 3 photo spoilers below)

Whoever we play as is so scared of Huggy Wuggy, while hallucinating (in Home Sweet Home, the gas-induced dream right after entering) we came up with the much scarier version of him, indiciating that he scares us more than the others (because why wasn't it mommy or even catnap in the dream?)

And in the second dream (after being knocked down by CatNap towards the end), we hear the haunting screams of people being murdered during the Hour of Joy while we look at Huggy Wuggy, then the blocks he stands on (the ones that spell his name from Chapter 1)

The Hour of Joy tape that Poppy shows us reveals that he lept from his stand to attack people, meaning that we'd associate the empty stand with the Hour of Joy if we were there for it, right?

AND it's already confirmed that we worked there, with Mommy AND Ms. Delight saying they remembered us. And on top of all that, Ms. Delight thought we were dead. She tells us she remebers us then asks "How are you alive?"

My general theory for the player is that we worked closely with Elliot Ludwig, enough to know what was going on to be haunted by everything that happened, and close enough to Elliot to have remembered the news report about him in our poppy gas induced fever dream

I believe we were attacked by Huggy during the hour of joy and was somehow the sole survivor, thus making our way back to the facilty, haunted with survivor's guilt, wanting to find anyone that survived

If you have any alt theories please tell me :] I am sick and rotting with the release of Chapter 3

[strale-light]

OML IM ABOUT TO CRYYYY

Stop Asugiri you can't!!!

PLEASE NO!!!

[sappho-rose]

ness... dw bb you'll get the spotlight soon...

[lavendersartistry]

I'm currently thinking way too hard on this but I have a theory for Poppy Playtime

Stella is the Protagonist

I have this theory because let's all think about this:

She cared a lot for the kids

She was highly unaware of the experimentations (Chapt. 3 VHS)

She's a higher up

I mainly look back to the VHS because Stella was expecting for a adoption file, NOT a experimentation file for the kid that was adopted. Also she was in shock about finding out about what actually goes on in the factory

So maybe Stella, after getting this realization, called in sick as a way to be far away from the factory up until the Hour of Joy

Looks like I'm changing the worker protagonist for Matron in the Playhouse

[clarefay]

I love the idea of the next Weird Routes in deltarune only being achieved if you purposely abandoned the previous Weird Route the second before it was locked in.

So you abandon snowgrave before killing berdly but right after getting the thorn ring from spamton. And that allows you to break the next chapter even further. And then the next. And the next. Until there's nothing left.

It will not have a satisfying ending. If anything, you will get softlocked. This route is ABOUT our inherent tendency to demand more content from the media you love most, and that very demand is often what brings you to lose your flame. The community does this all the time, AND it's natural, AND that's exactly the point. It's an introspection on our natural tendencies. That's what's so good about it.

[demodraws0606]

Guys...I think Whit is the culprit.

Sorry guys this is gonna be a long one

You know I'm a big believe of Whit mastermind theory and depending on how the trial goes he could still be the mastermind despite being the culprit but uhm...

Mf has like an 80 pourcent chance of being the culprit

My theory of Levi being the culprit kinda has went down the drain though i'm not really that upset about it because it was admitidely the most generic route.

I still do not buy for a second Eden is the culprit mainly because it contradicts a lot of her behaviors and also is only really based on one piece of evidence that could be explained by something else.

I think the most credible option to me right now, is Whit, especially because with how certain things are laid out for us we can actually make out a concrete motive for why Whit would do this.

I'm gonna write down what I think and explain why I believe Whit is most likely the culprit (also i'll deal with a couple of holes and explain why the theory still works alongside them) and also i'll use a couple of speculations made by other people as well

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I think it's known by everyone that the way Whit's secret was revealed is extremely strange, for like two reasons.

One, it means that it's impossible for anyone (including Whit himself, we'll get into that later) to have known what Whit's secret was, or to confirm it with certainty in the trial. We only have Whit's word for it.

Second, Whit takes a very strange amount of time until saying what secret he has, like right after Hu denied to say which secret she has. Which is extremely weird because if his life was so uneventful wouldn't he have managed to pick out a secret as blatant as this.

I thought this would be meant as a red herring to put suspicions on Whit however with Levi revealing his secret and this loose thread still not being addressed, I think it has to be important to the case at hand.

Now, despite people pointing this out every analysis that tries to handle this kinda goes into a brick wall because it immediatly assumes that Whit is lying about the dead mother secret being his. However there's too much pointing towards Whit having the dead mom secret.

No, I think we're going about this the wrong way. It's not about us not knowing what Whit's secret was, it's that Whit had no idea what secret actually was his

In fact that's mentionned before trial on how Whit just didn't know WHAT his secret even was, and no one could really tell him what it was because Rose threw it away

But that's weird right ? You would think Whit would know that his dead mother would be the likely secret, you could argue he just didn't want to share with everyone but that still doesn't explain the strange amount of time until he revealed he had Rose's secret.

And if he didn't want to share that his mom was dead, why did he let everyone the opportunity to say if they had his secret and to spill the beans...

Unless things are more complicated than just Whit having a dead mom, after all if it was just that wouldn't he have known immediatly that was his secret ? After all Teruko had the same issue as well as she didn't know what her secret could actually even be.

You could argue that I put my back against the wall here. If Whit not knowing his secret was his motive as to why he commited the murder then why did he let a bunch of people the opportunity to air out a potentially incriminating secret. Wouldn't that mean he wasn't worried about it ?

However, you have to keep in mind Whit had no idea how bad the secrets were, the only secrets that was revealed was J's which in retrospect of other secrets seemed like a much lighter one.

You could argue "Well Whit had David's secret which was pretty bad" however despite how bad that secret was it was also very vague and since Whit didn't know how much about David it doesn't really mean much on how deep the secrets were.

Considering Whit's personality as well, it was possible he was in denial or some deeper reason as to why he wasn't thinking about it. "Bitter things need to go down the drain" and all that.

In fact Whit was one of the first ones to say they shouldn't reveal their secret before J's secret was immediatly revealed.

I also don't think Whit being in denial has to be rooted in logic either (especially with how inconcistent he seems to be about the secrets), the murder was commited right before the deadline and although there was planning behind it, it was still a last minute decision (aka not done immediatly during the day of the motive reveal). You could argue pressure got to him or he overthought it as it became increasingly clear how much deeper the secrets went and how much the people who set this game up knew about them (something Whit investigated himself).

I think the way Whit acted about the secrets is too contradictory to really use any of what he says as actual evidence against the secrets not being his motive basically.

Now, let's go into the other point and how it works with the potential motive, the speculation that Arei was waterboarded.

Yeah, this seems to hint heavily that this is what happened and Arei's actual cause of death would be by drowning instead of strangulation like expected.

But why not strangulation ?? Why do a technique that is much harder to kill Arei, unless they were trying to get something out of drowning her. I mean we don't technically know if it was actual waterboarding but considering how planned this murder was and how we do actually have pieces of clothing that would serve for waterboarding, it seems to be likely.

(I'm not exactly sure how it stuck together with the starch afterwards but considering how the playground's ventilation works it's possible it dried up quickly) (There's also Arei's missing glove if you don't believe Teruko and Hu's clothing where used for it)

There's also no reason to drown her instead of strangling her with the rope unless there was another justification for it. But the episode actively goes out of it's way to say that there probably wasn't an attempt at tricking people into thinking the murder happened during 7:30 PM.

Anyways, why would the culprit waterboard Arei then ??? Clearly this means they were trying to get information out of her...

Which makes 0 sense unless it was Whit who would at least have a small justification for it, aka him not knowing what his secret is. I do admit it is a bit blurry on what type of information Whit would've truly wanted or why he did this before just killing her. However out of anyone (that already isn't pretty much confirmed innocent) it would only make sense for it to be him.

Now onto other stuff unrelated to the secret thing, like how unhelpful Whit has been this trial to a suspicious degree. AKA :

-Trying to distract away from the letter framing Eden and then just throwing her under the bus immediatly when he's questioned about it.

-Refusing to reveal David's secret

-Coincidentally having an excuse for not seeing Arei's body swaying

Now all of these could be argued to be in character reasons, after all didn't he do something like that chapter 1 with Charles (kind of). However this is a new level of trial interferance that really isn't justifiable at a certain point.

You could argue "well wouldn't talking about the note and David's secret be useful to make them seem guilty"' and while that'd be right to an extent. However everytime Whit witholds something like with Eden and David, he seems to cave eventually so the only thing he has achieved in this trial so far is to stall for time. Which could potentially be intentional if he's the culprit.

Now that I've kinda covered the major points, here are a list of suspicious things, mostly things that Whit knew before I get to my final point (how this would fit the narrative this chapter).

(I do wanna say most of this things isn't technically necessary info that the culprit needed to know but it definitely helps).

Whit was present during Teruko and Hu changing, meaning he would have known about their old clothes and could have found out where to get them.

Whit was present during the fight in the cafeteria, which is when Arei demanded to have her rope thrown away leading to Mono-TV putting it in storage

(Eden was busy helping J and Arturo so only Teruko, Charles and Whit could've known this information by listening in)

Whit also is the reason David is in the relaxation room leading to his conversation with Arei although idk how much of that would even possibly be planned or how that would help him, still important to note though.

There is probably more I could say however I want to get to my last point, I do think Whit being the culprit fits this case more than anyone else.

I know the question of the tape is still unanswered, if Eden did take it wouldn't that mean she is the culprit ? Well I don't think so but overall I just don't think this one singular piece of evidence is enough to say Eden's the culprit especially if we look at the bigger picture.

I'm probably just repeating the same things people probably have heard already but Eden committing such a gruesome murder for pratically no motive at all (outside getting out but it would make the secret motive useless) just doesn't really make sense.

However it is true that from what the title of this chapter suggests "all that glitters (is not gold)", it would mean a character isn't as innocent/good as they seem.

But wouldn't that title make more sense with Whit ?

Eden and Whit both are seemingly the positive vibes character of the cast, both being seemingly "normal". However Whit's positivity is a lot more toxic than Eden's, cracking jokes at innapropriate time and seeming to not let himself show even negative emotions (contrary to Eden who has let herself be upset multiple times).

Narratively speaking, Whit being the culprit, would put Charles in a similar situation to Teruko perhaps deepening their bond further without having Teruko going through a regression arc (she was way closer to Eden than she was with Whit).

It would allow Eden's message to not be lost/contradicted while also going with the apparent theme of the chapter that things aren't as they seem.

And also "all that glitters is not gold" would be a very smart saying for Whit, the one who died his hair blond (would be a very fun double meaning)

[pancake404]

The Former Nightmare Critter

(Theory a little lower this post)

Decided to make a drawing similar to how Mob Entertainment showed the Nightmare Critters but this time with the idea of Catnap being one of the Nightmare Critters in the past.

His name when he was with the Nightmare Critters was "Nightmare of "Night" as shown. To be honest, none of the critters knows Catnap's real name, they just give whatever name and see if it sticks which in this case was "Night".

The Nightmare Critters represent negative traits typically such as laziness, gossip spreading, narcissism, etc. For Nightmare, the negative traits he takes after are his unsettling nature, obsessive loyalty, and the nightmares he often provides as punishment if a Nightmare Critter goes too far. His charm is a dream catcher which I figured would make sense.

Some additional facts include the extra markings painted by Simon because he thought it would make Nightmare look cooler, the fact that his smell is still Lavender which is also a nickname(Lavender) that Baba has for Nightmare(I also imagine Dogday giving him more moon-like nicknames such as "Moon", "Moonlight" etc.), and Touille was the replacement for Nightmare once he left.

The Nightmare Critters still view Nightmare/Catnap positively but admittedly a couple of them felt hurt and betrayed when Catnap left to be with Dogday. They consider Dogday to be someone who "stole" Nightmare away from them because he was the reason Nightmare left after all.

Now, although this could be easily an Au, there can be some parts of this that could make sense being added onto the story of Poppy Playtime especially with the lore of the line of Nightmare Critters even after the Smiling Critters were deemed a failure.

Imagine this, the Smiling Critters began failing and one of the main reasons was because Catnap often was considered creepy by children watching the show, and the "Catnap Killer" incidents where the plush caused horrific nightmares made things worse. They couldn't get rid of all of it because it had already launched and Playtime Co. was forced to innovate and find a new solution to this issue.

They realized that if these characters were considered too creepy for children, then why not make a variation that would be for older audiences, thus making the Nightmare Critters. With this, they could use the Nightmare Critters as their explanation for certain things about the Smiling Critters such as why Catnap was more creepier than the others.

Why? Simple. Catnap was a former Nightmare Critter. That's why he's the odd one among the other Smiling Critters. That's why he would be the one giving "violent nightmares" as that might just be a shadow of his former self bleeding once in a while(the name matches as well). It might not be perfect but it could do the trick and if things went well enough, then they could use this plot point as an explanation for why the Nightmare Critters would be against the Smiling Critters.

I'm not saying that idea is canon or going to be canon but if it ever has something similar to this, I wouldn't be surprised.

Now then, going back to the "Night", what are some of your headcanons and ideas about the relationship and possible interaction between Nightmare and the other members?

[the-irreverend]

Interesting coincidence is it not?