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Can we talk about this and agree that it's Garak's best outfit?
The colours, the silhouette, the collar, the gold patterned fabric. Just *chefs kiss* 😩🤌🏻
I wish I had more pictures or gifs of it but this was all I could find 😭
#I need to find the costume designer and give them the best head of their life#star trek#elim garak#deep space 9#deep space nine#ds9#costume design#sci fi costumes#cardassian#costumes#tv costumes#andrew Robinson
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Neelix x Tuvok au where they're part of a frat house and Neelix CANNOT tell if Tuvok's hazing him or not.
#Neelix throws a Halloween party and Tuvok shows up in a shirt that says 'this is my halloween costume'#Voyager as a frat house made me laugh <3 worst place on earth#Janeway is the head of the frat. You might be thinking women can't be the head of a frat but Janeway's father was head of this frat and she#always knew she wanted to follow in his footsteps. She's a trailblazer truly....#Kes & Neelix are those people greek houses only let in so they don't seem discriminatory#'we need them...they could be valuable assets to us'#Instead of getting home Janeway's goal is keeping this terrible crumbling at the seams frat running until graduation#The Maquis are an anti-frat student organization that are forced to join Voyager bc of cartoon logic - like some real disney channel#contrivances. The school decided to deal with the problem by forcing them into a frat to see how great frats are#Tuvok still spied on Chakotay#and Seska was still a spy for the Cardassians (rival frat - even worse)#Tuvok being part of a frat is so funny bc you KNOW his ass isn't showing up to a single party if he can help it#he joined because his father was in the fraternity
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Inspired by a post on the dash: Every Cardassian state television production about romance is exactly like those Turkish melodramas inexplicably set in 19th-century imperial Russia. The propaganda series about the love story of Garak and Bashir would be filmed like Kurt Seyit ve Şura
#Garak always complains about the costumes#I am not being Orientalist by picking a random example I am speaking specifically about#The cinematography costuming casting and overall aesthetic choices#Of Turkish historical telenovelas set in an imagined ~Eurasia#That conjures both Ottoman nostalgia and pre-revolutionary ancien regime nostalgia#That's Cardassian Aesthetics#If Constantinople were Versailles
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With all the silly space similes in Star Trek, I would have just once liked to hear someone say, "That was over faster than a Klingon divorce."
#trek#ds9#more similes that were referential to established facts but baffling out of context would have definitely been#much funnier than just making comparisons to earth things and tacking an alien adjective onto them#''my opinion is more neutral than a cardassian color palette''#''you're about as smart as a pakled engineer''#''he's cruising like a middle-aged betazoid woman''#''the holodeck malfunctioned and combined all our period dramas. it's like a costume party at the q continuum.''
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Transcript because everyone deserves to enjoy this
(some ums, cut-off phrases etc. are edited out)
Siddig:
Stories about Andy Robinson. Ahh, god! *crowd laughs* Everyone thought Andy Robinson — the Garak character — and Julian Bashir for years were possibly a homosexual couple. *crowd laughs* And he actively encouraged that! That was actually all right! That was all right. Except it didn't leave much room for Bashir to do any stuff, you know?
But I don't really have many stories about Andy —
Nana Visitor:
You know, you just made me think, "I've gotta bring this bit" —
Siddig:
You got a good story about Andy?
Visitor:
No, I got a clip, an outtake that they sent me from one of the last shows we filmed of me not being able to keep a straight face —
Siddig:
Ohhhh, Andy's speech!
Visitor:
And Andy saying some waaay over-the-top line, saying it in typical Andy fashion. And it was too much for me. We were in the Cardassian hell(?) chamber and you know all of that, and I laughed.
I laughed take after take after take and he kept saying "Come on! Pull it together! Pull it together!"
And it was something like "We'll cut off the worm's head!" and it was like, it was really like —
Siddig (being completely wrong lol):
Ohh yes, I remember this scene! It was the scene where he was explaining how to eat worm!
Visitor:
No no no
Siddig:
Ah *crowd laughs*
Visitor:
About a time in the Cardassian thing, and —
Crowd member:
"Cut off the snake's head and the body will die."
Visitor:
*gleeful* "Cut off the snake's head and the body will die." Thank you very much, that's exactly the saying. In typical Andy, you know, really big — and he was committed to that line, both feet in, and it was the funniest thing I'd ever heard in my life. *crowd laughs*
Siddig:
To add one thing: people had to be really careful working with Andy, you always had to keep him in a good mood. Not because he was naturally an angry man, never! You meet him generally and he's like the sweetest guy you could ever meet. He's like a teddy bear, you push it over.
But once he's in that stuff — he's in literally a wetsuit glued to his body...he gets hotter and hotter. Andy has no heat retention capability whatsoever. *crowd laughs* Two minutes in that suit, he's like, *impressively good Andy impression* Okay, I'm gonna blow......Let's get this over with... *jerking his head back and forth in rage* Cut! Cut! *enraged sounds* *crowd laughs*
Every day, he's like a little powder keg, you gotta be a little careful with Andy; you can ask him about that. I think Wednesday I'm doing something with Andy and I don't know if you're gonna be there but if you are, ask him that. *clenched teeth* "Andy's gonna blow...Andy's gonna blow everybody" — and he did, often.
Visitor:
Oh yeah.
Siddig:
*pretending to be Andy "blowing" again*
Visitor:
And when he blows, he blows big-time — but a lot of people did, in the makeup — it gets to you after a while. When I was a Cardassian for twenty hours, I was in this makeup, I started to say to the director — I do not do this, I am professional — I started to pull at it and say "That was it, that was your last take"
This is a clip from a YouTube upload by Mary Knasinski of Sid and Nana in Missouri in 2000. They are asked about working with Andy and Nana recounts an outtake of being unable to stop laughing to get a scene done with Andy that then irritates him because (as Sid says) for Garak he was “in a wetsuit glued to his body” and he can’t stand the heat, thus he wants to get his scenes done as soon as possible so he can get out of costume. Sid then goes on to give THE best impersonation of an angry and irritated Andy that only a best friend can do so wonderfully.
#behind the scenes#garak#cardassians#andy robinson#alexander siddig#nana visitor#makeup#costuming#funny#con#interview
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i think sometimes julian and garak show each other deeply terrible media in their cultural exchange and try to pass them off as classics. just for fun
bc like i was thinking about them watching the greatest movie of our time -- the velocipastor (2017)
and garak is outraged by the stupidly inaccurate depictions of reptilian anatomy and julian's sitting there going "you know, it's a product of its time, you can't fault them for low budget costuming, just look past it to the deeper meaning"
next week garak gives julian the cardassian equivalent of gray's anatomy and tells him it's not about the medical procedures but the symbolism behind them. what symbolism? who knows. not garak bc he is completely making it up
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Every Odo Costume Ranked From Worst To Best Part 1
Odo looks terrible 75% of the time and it's not bad costume design, it's true to the character! But it does test me. Here's everything he wears definitely ranked.
19. Cardassian Uniform:
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It is NOT a good look for him.
18. Seasons 1 and 2 Bajoran Security Uniform:
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The original Bajorn uniform is SO UGLY you guys. I understand that it's meant to be beige and unattractive to reflect Odo's discomfort with his appearance and his general state as an awkward stiff guy but, oh man. Boy does it achieve that. It's just so unflattering and it makes him look so old and I hate it.
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It has so many fit and construction problems, you guys.
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17. Makeshift Blanket Poncho:
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I literally think he looks better here than in season 1. Also his hair looks better!
16. Klingon Odo:
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I almost forgot about Klingon Odo because while I like Klingons in episodes, I don't like Klingon Episodes, you know what I mean? And Odo would be the very bottom of my list of people to go undercover as a Klingon, I don't care if he IS the chief of security. But he does have the face for it, I have to say.
15. 200 Years in the Future Odo:
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Ok it's not thaaaaaat bad an outfit but I really cannot with Casual Summer Farmer Odo. It's just not right. It's not what a want for Odo, fashion-wise. Texture of the tunic is pretty.
14. Federation Infirmary Scrubs:
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Oh if you get hurt on a FEDERATION ship they give you a non-stupid outfit, huh? It's cute, I'd lounge around the house in it. Is it insane to rank this above Future Odo? Maybe, but I just think it suits him better.
13. Season 3+ Bajoran Security Uniform:
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Oh thank god. They fixed most of the fit problems, mainly by adding padding in the chest and shoulder and eliminating some of the shaping in the side front.
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And I don't mean padding like they're trying to change his shape, I mean padding as in they've made a suit coat correctly. They also added a high collar. I don't know WHY they repeated the mistake they made in TNG where they started with crew necks (near universally unflattering) but at least they fixed it. It's still a frumpy, insecure look but it feels much more appropriate. Love that Odo always makes his sleeves too long.
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12. Umpire Odo:
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This look absolutely gains points because of how much Odo's enjoying it. And that's the most important part of an outfit! He's serving Dadcore.
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Do you think the mask is part of him or do you think he wore a real one because It's The Rules? If he got hit in the face with a baseball would it hurt? Important questions.
11. Season 3 Bajoran Security Uniform But With A Belt:
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Odo wore this belt for like six episodes and then Kira said she liked it right before she started dating Shakkar, ruining it for Odo forever. May it rest in peace.
10. Mirror Universe Odo:
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I really think they could and should have gone harder on Evil Sexy Odo, but unforch he's just wearing the season 3 uniform in black. It is nicer than the brown though so it ranks higher! When you see the costume in full light it's actually got some nice texture.
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But Terok Nor is the darkest place in the galaxy, so for most of the episode it looks like this.
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Hey Garashir fans. Hey!
A little thread just for you...
Out Of Uniform (Garak/Bashir - Explicit - Canon) They seem to have been skirting around this since the day they met, and Garak is determined to have Bashir, even if he needs to employ some gentle manipulation to persuade the doctor to give into his feelings.
In Formal Wear (Garak/Bashir - Explicit - Canon) New lovers Garak and Bashir can't keep their hands off each other. Not even long enough to complete a holosuite programme. Sequel to Out Of Uniform.
eMERgency (Garak/Bashir - Explicit - Canon) Garak makes Julian a merman costume, with a surprising addition.
Teacups Through Time (Garak/Bashir - Teen & Up - Canon) Julian and Garak watch Hannibal, Garak is a fan of Hannibal's methods.
It Would Have Been You (Garak/Bashir - Explicit - S7) The arrival of Ezri Dax puts everything in perspective for Julian.
Obsidian (Garak/Bashir - Explicit - AU) Julian is paying his way through med school as a camboy. Garak is his favourite patron. AU in which the Federation previously collapsed.
Bonus for Hannigram fans:
Enemies Closer (Hannibal/Will - Mature - DS9 AU) Cardassian in exile, Hann Lektor, takes an interest in the station's resident Entomologist, Will Graham. The feeling is not mutual.
#garashir#garak#bashir#elim garak#julian bashir#star trek ds9#ds9#star trek deep space nine#hannibal#hannigram#ds9 AU
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one of the scientist women in destiny has some on her neck ridges too
perpetually intrigued by the costuming as worldbuilding in ds9. seems like most cardassian women wear blue makeup on their primary forehead ridge as well as lipstick. whats that mean
#ds9#honestly not sure whether the lip pigment is always supposed to be makeup in-universe#bc some of it is v subtle. but the blue stuff seems pretty clear bc most of the men aren't depicted with it#edit: actually the one who's flirting with o'brien and the last to arrive both wear it!#cultural worldbuilding talk#cardassians tag#costuming tag
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many people dislike the upholstery ass cardassian costumes but not me. i love texture. velvet wool silk denim canvas corduroy twill tabby bedford jacquard lay it on me baby as many weaves and patterns as you can fit into a single outfit. im gonna be so visually discombobulating
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THIS is why you keep FAILING to blend in on ANCIENT EARTH!
Getting stuck on Earth of the past is a surprisingly common occurrence for Starfleet crews. Between slingshots, Q, Devidians, orbs, Borg, kemocite explosions, rogue temporal agents and stray tachyons stuck in your ablative armour; we estimate 80% of time travel occurrences land officers specifically on Earth in North America in the 100 years between the 1930s and 2030s (give or take).
This is your guide on how to stay undercover until you escape.
What year is this?
Try not to ask this question. It is not something that comes up in regular conversation so it will look weird. Instead, look for a shop with large folded batches of paper on display. These will be newspapers and will invariably show the date in the corner of the front page.
If you have 24th-century technology, you might also be able to tell from the level of pollution or radiation in the atmosphere, or from astrometric readings.
Continue to check the news for more information about this era, its society and historical events that you may be influencing.
Where are you from?
Try not to be specific lest they know the place and ask if you know someone there. Keep it to a general “up north”. If you’re quite far north already, substitute with “down south”.
If you stand out a fair bit, suggest that you are from France (unless you are in France, of course, but this is statistically unlikely). But do not suggest your Vulcan officer had a rice-picking incident or that you are a secret agent; such stories may be read as too outlandish. Plan your cover as soon as possible and research your era and location to get your facts straight.
Funny looking pyjamas
People of this era consider Starfleet uniforms to look like pyjamas. Go with that and say you had to leave your flat in the middle of the night due to a fire or an argument with the “missus”. This is also a good opportunity to appeal for advice on where you can find replacement clothes.
If necessary, do not be afraid of stealing period-appropriate clothes to maintain your cover. It may not be moral, but you will be less disruptive to the timeline by stealing a shirt than walking around in full uniform.
You should avoid high-security places when committing theft without technological aid; interacting with law enforcement can be deadly in this era. This is especially true for officers who cannot pass as humans of the local dominant ethnic group; these individuals should lay low as much as possible.
Non-human officers
The unexpected nature of time travel may preclude preparation for non-humans to hide their more obvious alien features. Some species (Betazoids, Deltans, Baku) can easily pass as humans and will have no problem blending in. Others may pose a challenge. Here are ideas of how to stay covert;
Vulcans, Romulans: Wear a hat, sweatband or long hair to cover your ears and eyebrows.
Bajorans: A band-aid over the nose and pass it off as an injury.
Trill: Pass off your spots as tattoos or wear a hood to cover the sides of your head.
Former Borg: Pass off your implants as jewellery or a body mod. Draw on some extra tattoos to add to the effect. Alternative communities can provide great cover to non-humans due to their non-conformity with the dominant society.
Orions, Andorians, Bolians: Add makeup and glitter to your face and say you’re going to a festival (Andorians should also wear a hat for the antenna - pick a flashy one to add to the festival aesthetic).
Cardassians, Ferengi, Klingons etc.: This is a lot harder. These species should stay hidden as much as possible unless there is a “comic book convention” in town. In this case, steal a lanyard and offer to pose for a photo to anyone who gets suspicious. They will assume you are in an elaborate costume seeking attention
These later examples will protect officers in casual interactions but will be out of place if entering more formal environments.
Zippers
Clothing items and bags on Earth often used a device called a ��zipper” formed of metal teeth. You placed the ends together then pulled a tog up to close the two sides of the fabric. You won’t be familiar with these because they have been banned by the 2274 Oddenbery Accords after zippers were instrumental in the collapse of space-time in the Kandari sector that cost 6 million lives.
It goes without saying that 20th-century humans should not be made aware of the mortal danger zippers pose to the universe or you may alter the timeline. Holographic versions are safe to use if you wish to practice their function and blend in.
Currency
Old Earth still relied on capitalist economics and the use of currency which had no intrinsic value. This currency often took the form of circles of decorated metal and printed slips of paper; in later decades it was also electronic, traded via plastic rectangles. The plastic rectangles will be unobtainable to you (and if stolen, would allow your movements to be tracked) but you should be aware of their purpose.
Currency was required to even access the most essential services such as shelter and food so your first priority should be acquiring some of these scraps of paper.
Theft: Ideally you don’t want to steal from individuals. Poverty was widespread and you could impact someone's life significantly. Instead, if safe to do so you should aim to steal from an institution such as a bank’s currency dispenser (such companies would not be impacted by small-scale theft due to something called “insurance”).
Trade: If you have on you something that holds an intrinsic value that does not contain components from the future, consider taking it to a “Porn Shop”. Tell the shop owner you have something to sell and you can obtain legal tender from them.
Labour: Those at the bottom of the socio-economic hierarchy obtained currency via performing labour for most of the day. Your best bet is irregular work such as cleaning; this will give a very low return of currency despite intense labour but it is your best way to stay under the radar.
Gambling: Humans of this century gambled a great deal more than they had the resources to. If you have an unfair natural advantage in the games they play then you should find people willing to place a wager. Humans bet on anything, from animal races to elections or their whole economy.
Humans were particularly attached to their money and gave it names like “Abe” or “Benjamin” to create a bond with it. You should come up with your own (human) names for any money you obtain to blend in with capitalist exchanges.
Note that this region was fond of “tipping”. This is when low-wage staff were given extra money by the customer beyond the stated value of the service to compensate for their employer paying their staff less than that needed to survive. This will often be indicated by holding out a hand or a quiet cough.
Colourful metaphors
Profanity is common on old Earth in a way that is seen as inappropriately aggressive today. Nobody pays any attention to you if you don't swear every other word. So you may need to employ some yourself in casual conversation to truly blend in. Many words used then are now automatically censored by our universal translators such as ****, ****, ***** him, go **** yourself up your ******* *******, **** ** ***** **** then ***, and *.
Transport
North America of this era was obsessed with a highly inefficient and dangerous form of personal transport known as the automobile (or “car”). These will likely end up being your primary form of transport and being a proficient driver of these vehicles is important for blending in. So you best spend an hour on the holodeck familiarising yourself with the control scheme of its interior.
Mass transit also existed, though due to chronic underinvestment in the regions you are statistically most likely to arrive in, you may find it difficult to obtain. The most common of these are “buses” which are large automobiles capable of moving around 50-100 people at a time along major routes. Usage will require currency; be sure to check the fare before boarding as some may require “exact change” to be provided.
And the timeline?
Let’s leave that side of things to the boys at the Department for Temporal Investigations. But what we will say is that this era is particularly savage. You may be tempted to right injustices left, right and centre (there are a lot) but if you, say, save a woman from getting killed by one of those deadly automobiles we mentioned then you could find out that the whole timeline is thrown off course.
So follow these tips, keep your head down and look for a way home. That is unless you cause the death of a pivotal revolutionary figure and need to take their place to restore the timeline. Naturally.
What tips do you have for passing as a local on ancient Earth? Let us know below and Follow us for more essential tips in your Starfleet career!
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Section 31 liveblog
time for a liveblog i guess?
as a disclaimer to this i've been in a Real State for the past week or so and am having really bad brain fog (this is the first day i've felt good enough to watch something with a plot all week) so if i say something stupid or miss something please forgive me, i'm so fried right now and words are very hard.
i also have not been looking forward to this movie that much and was not a huge fan of the trailer and some of the reviews i've heard but i'm going into this with an open mind! i love Michelle Yeoh & Emperor Georgiou and i've heard a few mutuals say that this ended up being a fun heist movie which i'm 100% down for.
spoilers under the cut.
the little mirrored intro is very fun
unfortunately i am a sucker for movies that begin with a quote
one of the parts i was excited for from the trailer was showing more of Emperor Georgiou's backstory & the Terran Empire pre-Disco so i'm glad we're starting out with this
so was young Georgiou in the Terran Hunger Games or something?
or a competition to become emperor? hm. that doesn't feel like it really fits in with the whole Terran ethos of "you can only advance by killing your superior and taking their power" but sure i guess.
yeah the whole competition feels pretty contrived on a worldbuilding basis
also i understand why we had to make Emperor Georgiou a more sympathetic character (and i love the more nuanced sympathetic look at her we get in Disco s3) but ngl i would have liked her having a harsher more unsympathetic backstory so that her growth in Discovery isn't her coming back to her roots but her genuinely growing as a person in a way she couldn't in the Mirror Universe and having her be redeemable because she was in love is... not my favorite trope.
canonical map!!!! i love looking at the maps people create for Star Trek and i know we get so little canon information about whether things are located
(okay super nitpicky but on the map why is there a demilitarized zone near Cardassia listed when the Cardassian DMZ wouldn't be there until the start of DS9. i guess it could be another DMZ but i like nothing if not to hyperanalyze things)
(Trill is not in the Federation right now (or at least is beyond the Federation border whether or not they were a part of the Federation before this treaty) and interestingly is pretty close to Cardassia!! marking this for possible DS9 worldbuilding and how Trill might have been more directly affected by the Dominion War than other Federation planets)
okay back to the actual movie
is there going to be a yellow filter over the whole movie? i mean it's better than Discovery's aggressive blue lighting but i'm begging Paramount to invest in some decent lighting and color grading
over ten minutes in and i'm getting the sense that this is going to be a fun enough space heist movie but there's just no reason it needed to be a Star Trek movie (or that we needed to continue Disco's track of ruining what Section 31 was meant to be)
these costumes are very fun!! i'm glad we're getting fun fashion again and not just the same mostly modern human fashion we see in so much of new Trek
yeah this is continuing my Section 31 complaints from Disco as i knew it would.... i'm not as against exploring them as some people in the fandom are (i think the idea that there is a bad arm of the Federation working under the table is interesting and true to life) but Section 31 shouldn't be a fully fledged division with clear operatives and resources, it should continue as it was in DS9 – a few lone morally corrupt agents who manipulate Starfleet officers & anyone else relevant to gain control on Federation society in a "the ends justify the means" way. i honestly think part of the issue is thinking that the "section" references a division or department when it actually (iirc) refers to the section in the Federation founding document that allows for extreme measures to be taken in the interests of security and the fact that it was never a fully fledged division and didn't have physical resources was part of the point.
who wrote "Deltan sexy time charm" and thought that was a good line to keep in a movie?
tbh i wasn't a huge fan of the editing style in the trailer but in situ it's fun in a camp way. idk if others agree but it's fun for Star Trek to branch out into new types of style & tone instead of just doing epic space action flicks all the time.
okay what's with the singer just singing like three words at a time in between scene cuts? i know i just said i was kind of jiving with the editing but? not that? (also... just never a huge fan of putting modern music in future/alien settings.)
okay the mech design is kind of stupid (and i really wish Star Trek would be consistent about cyborgs & cybernetic enhancements!!)
they were really trying to go for the Suicide Squad vibes huh
not sure about any of these one off characters (too Suicide Squad-y) but i appreciate they were trying to go for some new styles of characters and not just the usual Vulcan, Klingon, etc.
i'll reiterate the "no one in Starfleet is supposed to know about Section 31, that's the point!" again but i'll stop going on about it now. it's not fun to watch a movie where i'm disagreeing with the point of it the whole way through.
the phase pod is a cool tech idea but man it's overpowered if it's used again
yeah mystery guy with a mask? definitely Georgiou's love interest from the beginning who she scarred right?
interested to see what could possibly be the plot justification for him turning up in another universe.
disclaimer that i'm fully turned away from the screen during any fight sequence because they're gonna give me a headache if i look at it so i will not have much to add about any of the fighting (other than pleading Hollywood to change their currently favored quick cut fight scene style so i can watch action movies again)
oh or masked guy isn't San i guess? (or he lived but i'm struggling to work out how)
oh so very interesting canon info if this movie is sticking with the idea of the Eugenics wars happening in the late 20th/early 21st century a la TOS and not pushing it back like SNW to keep up with our present. honestly giving more credence to the theory that SNW is a completely separate timeline (but mildly confusing given that both SNW & this movie are based off of Disco and there aren't really any timeline divergent points i can think of?)
i am actually glad to see a character from our present (ish) who've time jumped to the Star Trek future, i always thought that was a really underexplored concept that was brought up a few times in TOS & TNG but never fleshed out.
okay yeah "guy who lived through the Eugenics Wars but was forcibly turned into an Augment and hates himself because of it" is a really solid character base.
however a lot of the other side characters are... not my favorite.
okay calling a character "Dada" pronounced like the alternate pronunciation of Data is a good bit
i was going to be a little annoyed by how common the crossings between universes seems but honestly it's pretty fucking easy in DS9 to go between the Federation and the Terran Empire so i guess this is just how it is. honestly it's funnier that way.
this is the third time i've had to refresh paramount and i'm not even halfway through the movie. please fix your fucking website.
Zeph, Quasi, & Fuzz are so insufferable, can we just kill them all already? sorry not sorry.
yeah Garrett's definitely the mole.
mmm i just realized that Alok's backstory with being adopted by a warlord and forced to be like her is exactly what Georgiou did to mirror!Michael. that's tasty actually. (on second thought it's probably meant to be paralleling Georgiou & San but i care about mirror!Michael a lot more than San tbh)
(thank god he's dead)
ok ok i think it was Fuzz who possessed Garrett and made her murder Zeph.
i'm starting to like this movie and then they'll write "chaos goblin" into the script.
okay well i was mostly right.
and masked guy is San! who would have seen that coming!
kinda digging Georgiou & Garrett's relationship here.
okay i wasn't sure about having one of the characters sympathetic to the Bomb That Destroys Everything but the justification that it allows microbes like him to live makes sense!
we truly only see Rachel Garrett on the definitive two worst days of her life. i hope she gets to like. take a nap sometimes or something.
ooh alien kid's toy is very fun.
we only have 10 minutes left how is this supposed to be wrapped up?
yikes that's a nasty place to be stabbed
yeah i don't necessarily dislike the Georgiou/San storyline but the emotional beats are not really hitting for me. love the potential for this fucked up dynamic though and i'm sure some fanfic writers are gonna have fun out there.
yeah if that bomb was meant to destroy quadrants, there is no way anyone is surviving being that close
Georgiou should have kept the cool scar on her face!! i know they have dermal regenerators and everything but have you considered that scars are sexy?
eh not a big fan of this ending. i was starting to forget about the reasons i dislike Section 31 and now i'm remembering again.
JAMIE LEE CURTIS?????
okay we're all done.
FINAL THOUGHTS:
it was fine. idk people are review bombing the movie & kicking up such a fuss about it but other than the concept of Section 31 being used this way (which. again. Discovery led us down this path, it isn't unique to this movie), it was a fine & fun movie. some of the side characters were annoying, there was some cringe dialogue every once in awhile, the plot was a little contrived, and i wish the emotional beats hit a little bit more but there were some moments i really liked! i thought Alok was a very good character and will be Thinking about him. i liked Rachel Garrett a lot. obviously Michelle Yeoh was great. and ultimately, it doesn't really touch any part of the Star Trek canon that i care about so there wasn't anything to ruin or anything that i could super latch onto.
ultimately i do think it might have been a better movie if it just... wasn't Section 31 and it was just a group of vigilantes unassociated with the Federation but i think the powers that be were soooo obsessed with getting Section 31 back into Star Trek despite literally no one caring about it.
so yeah – it's a fun movie, i genuinely had a pretty good time watching it aside from the occasional cringe dialogue. like the way people were talking about it, i was expecting Nemesis levels of bad movie (which was a movie so bad that i had to take a walk in the middle of the night after watching it) or Into Darkness but it was Fine. i honestly had a better time with it than the AOS movies and would encourage people to watch it with an open mind. overall, it's like a 6/10 for me.
#section 31#section 31 spoilers#i guess there's some negativity here but i don't think enough to warrant a tag#my posts#my reviews
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every time i see your tiny pfp while scrolling the app i think its a Cardassian cosplay and get excited
I'm cosplaying a last minute Halloween costume
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star trek update time. last night we did the maquis parts 1 & 2 because i simply did not want to deal w tng.
the maquis (ds9)
standout moment for me in this entire two-parter was sisko's speech. ESPECIALLY good that in a fit of frustration he delivers it to kira and kira alone, whomst he maybe did shout a little bit at earlier because tensions were so high, and then he has the grace to look embarrassed and say he's glad someone understands. like it was the EXACT same thing she was yelling about earlier and he didn't take her as seriously as he might have, like, not in a delegitimizing way, but in a way that says he hasn't experienced that kind of helpless frustration for himself. and then he got to experience just the tiniest slice of what kira has and he Got It. you know?
ALSO SOOO TRUE THE PROBLEM IS EARTH!!!! it's easy to be a saint when you live in utopia. quark had a similar speech earlier in this series about how humans are friendly and wonderful when they have full bellies and working holosuites and they turn vicious without them. ds9 knows whats up
it's tempting to blame all this on picard but while picard did NOT act with honor the true villain is the nameless faceless politician that decided this would be a good boundary to draw and absolutely no one would have any problems with it. it's weird to me, in the age of constantly calling our government officials to make sure they don't cancel healthcare or tell them to stop bombing people, that no one would try to get to the bottom of this and figure out which person they're supposed to call to tell them it was a dumb idea and demand they change it. like, the border is drawn like this, it's an immutable fact of life and it's not gonna change. it feels so weird
anyway, kira was GREAT in this episode. she has so much to be angry about and so much she wants to give to make sure nobody has to suffer what she did. like she's so passionate about it and it comes from a place of love or at least compassion and it's such a nice detail. that she's so angry all the time because of love. man. she's so great
i recognized one of the maquis guys from tng i think! well, i'm bad with faces but it was at least one of the same costumes. i'm so sorry dude rip
one of the maquis guys has a passing resemblance to barclay. really jumpscared me
should have known hudson was a villain bc he asked inappropriate questions about dax. however, it was funny that sisko laughed off the idea of them sleeping together when they fucked twins or whatever
i liked the jennifer mention :( im sad sisko and cal couldn't make up...he tried until the very end
what i love about the ethical debate is that theyre both right. the maquis are right because the new border IS shit. it IS unfair and they DID get abandoned to the tender mercies of the cardassians, who are sure as shit not gonna let them stay there unbothered (that tng episode painting this as a happy ending...AS IF). like, they have every right to defend themselves since no one else is gonna do it
but sisko is ALSO RIGHT because escalating the conflict into full-blown warfare is gonna get even MORE people killed and make things even MORE miserable for the colonies affected, who have already been through more than enough. the colonists can make life harder for the cardassians, just like the bajorans did, but they can't actually win a war, they can only drive themselves into the ground doing it. at BEST they will make some nameless faceless border-drawer think twice the next time they draw a border
like, that's why i'm so shocked nobody suggested calling the politicians to making them redraw it. it's the only third option?!?!
quark and the vulcan was so funny. shoot your shot, buddy, even though you lost the love of your life two episodes ago. i was a little insulted he managed to out-logic her, but also reluctantly impressed. quark is always entertaining, i just wish he had a LITTLE more depth.
gul dukat...i admit i never gave him a second thought before this episode. now i am reaffirmed in my belief that all cardassians are gay. he exhibits such an energy. i really liked the part where he put the fear of god into the weapons runner even though sisko was ready to sit on him to keep him from touching the torpedo controls. such a fun dynamic for him to be going "murder? :D?" and for sisko to be playing straight man and yanking him down by the scruff of his neck every 5 minutes. fun fun fun. i do think he should have kept his mouth shut when he and kira were in the same room though. like i think he should have just chosen to not speak unless prompted.
i like how twice odo's ability to maintain security at the station was called into question and both times sisko was like oh absolutely not. and even still, the tension was nearly enough to cause in-fighting in what has become a pretty friendly group. it's both surprising and unsurprising how quickly they drew the battle lines, but even the non-federation people, kira and odo, snapped at each other. LITERALLY CALL THE POLITICIANS. EARTH IS THE PROBLEM
my one real nitpick is that i don't think it should be possible to resist a mind meld with "discipline." like, it's more interesting if cardassians have a special immunity, or if this particular vulcan is bad at it. i just don't buy that gul dukat happens to be that cool, it's too convenient. why bring up the mind meld at all in that case
otherwise 10/10 i had a fantastic time
TONIGHT: devil's deal means we have double tng, "firstborn" and "bloodlines." something about alexander and daimon bok from season 1??? looks rank. wish us luck.
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DS9: Emissary (Part 2)
Read part 1 here. This is the last article wrapping up two-part episodes, which will be in a single article from here on out. Thank you for reading!
Part two of Deep Space 9’s pilot episode opens in Ops, giving us several lovely close-ups of Major Kira’s uniform, including her Bajoran-style comm badge and belt. The badge appears to be made of a brassy metal material, and is in the shape of the Bajoran logo, much like its Starfleet counterpart. The belt, in a deep burgundy colour that matches her uniform, has a texture that suggests reptilian leather (or, perhaps, a replicated substitute). We can also see in this early episode that Kira’s makeup originally included a slight brow ridge, like Ensign Ro.
I guess they still have cosmetic surgery in the 24th century.
Odo beams into Ops to join the team, briefly giving us a full head-to-toe view of the goo he has shaped into a brownish-beige Bajoran uniform. My favourite part are the Uggs boots. Do all the Bajoran uniforms come with little booties? They’re not particularly intimidating for the Chief of Security, although they do look like they’d be great for someone on their feet all day.
Fighting crime in comfort.
We can also see in this scene that the costume department has decided to flare out the lapels on the Starfleet uniforms; I actually don’t remember if this trend continues into future episodes of DS9, but the same uniforms lay flat on Voyager (which hadn’t yet premiered at this point), so we’ll check back in on that. It’s an interesting styling choice, and kind of makes Bashir and O’Brien look like they’re hitting the club after work.
I mean, I guess I don’t know that they aren’t…
Inside the wormhole, Sisko converses with the locals through his memories, and we see the aliens speak to him through various characters. Among them are Locutus in his full Borg makeup and Kai Opaka in elaborate Bajoran religious garb. We saw Opaka in this outfit in part 1, although it looks like they may have draped the outermost layer differently here.
It’s hard to tell what’s changed through the Memory Haze™.
The aliens also take on the appearance of the Chicago Cubs in old-timey uniforms – worn by fictional holodeck characters – and Sisko’s former crew in a TNG-era look. The baseball uniforms will show up again in Deep Space 9, but I suspect the Starfleet uniforms are recycled directly from The Next Generation, giving them a nice on-screen send-off before retirement.
These are all core memories for Sisko.
Back on the station, we get a better look at Major Kira’s Bajoran earring as she jumps on a subspace call with her #1 fan, Gul Dukat. The jewelry is made of a silver metal, with lower and upper pieces connected by a fine chain.
It channels her pagh, as well as six stations of FM radio.
Dukat, of course, shows up wearing the same thing Cardassians always wear, made out of old recycled tires.
It’s actually very eco-friendly.
Going back to Benjamin, we finally get some new costumes as Sisko finds himself snuggling his dead wife. Well, one of the aliens inhabiting the memory of his dead wife. They’re dressed for a lovely picnic in the park, Ben in a striped jewel tone shirt, Jennifer in an elegant pink dress.
Does this human look good on me?
We can see that the fabric on the top section of Sisko’s shirt has been pleated and pressed flat before being sewn, a trick that seems to be used a lot in Star Trek to create more exotic and visually interesting looks from regular Earth textiles. In this case, it complements the fabric’s vertical stripes nicely. The shirt also has a geometric neckline with a notch in front, giving just a little flirty peek of chest. As we zoom out, we can see it has been paired with an extremely high-waisted pair of olive green pants. From this angle, we can also see that Jennifer’s silky-looking dress tapers at the waist, and has been paired with matching tights and shoes. It’s an adorable look somewhere between “prom queen” and “dance recital.”
This is what it looks like when you can just beam to a picnic site instead of hiking.
In a scene that’s no doubt just as pleasing to our Commander, we next see him in the memory of a holodeck baseball game, wearing a baseball mitt and cap, while an alien inhabits the image of his son (dressed in a catcher’s uniform) nearby.
Is this going to become a theme, Dad?
In an incredible bit of attention to detail, even the background actors in this scene appear to be dressed in period-appropriate suits and hats. Then again, it’s very possible Paramount already had these costumes in the back, and they were among the few outfits they DIDN’T need to make custom for this episode.
Look, son: normies.
Back on the station, Cardassians have begun to attack, meaning we get to see a crowd of evacuating civilians in one-colour co-ords. Among them is the real Jake Sisko, who isn’t sure about all the monochrome matching.
It just doesn’t feel appropriate for the season.
Also present is– what the? What the heck is this guy?! I don’t even know what this alien is, but it has a cute hooded blue dress. If anyone recognizes this species, please leave a comment with the ID!
Is it visiting from the Star Wars universe?
We finish out the episode – at least in terms of costumes – with a fantastic showing from Quark. He hasn’t changed since part 1, but we do get a better view of the details of his outfit, including the giant, spherical, shiny buttons on his jacket, which may actually be small doorknobs. The jacket also features sparkly black bands around both arms and wide lapels that flare open dramatically. Like Sisko earlier, he finishes the outfit with olive green pants pulled up as high as they’ll go.
The Ferengi who invents belts will be drowning in latinum.
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The Costume Designer for this episode was Robert Blackman. The Wardrobe Supervisor was Carol Kunz. Key Costumers include Maurice Palinski, Phyllis Corcoran-Woods, Jerry Bono, and Patti Borggrebe-Taylor.
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The cover up idea is plain silly in my mind. The attack on LA a 9/11 or Pearl Harbor scale disaster, with tons of personal devices to record information, not to mention enormous casualties, and ruinous amounts of economic damage. After 9/11, there was a situation where they couldn't get into certain accounts because the passwords died with the people who had them, and what's more, the BUILDINGS were gone, so any copies were destroyed. The amount of buildings destroyed would be catastrophic.
Now, that all being said, a much funnier idea is that Mr X TRIED a cover up, but it's like the one in Ghostbusters 2016. "So...you're saying it was a big mass hallucination," a reporter asks the mayor after an enormous ghost attack, with an extremely dubious expression, looking at him like he's lost his mind. The mayor keeps insisting "YES, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED", and someone in the background shouts support for the Ghostbusters. So it might be like that, a plain old open secret.
Something funny to add? The trio and some of their frog families are walking down the street, broad daylight, no disguise, and people just want to take photos. They think they're cosplayers or from a movie. In the 90s during earthquakes star trek actors were reported to drive home in full costume, so people would just be seeing Cardassians and Ferengi on their ride home.
I am now picturing Marcy and Olivia watching Yunan mugging for cameras, doing all her poses, announcing who she is, taking group photos. Marcy explains to Olivia what is going on, she dismisses it...then is flattered when someone asks to take a picture with HER.
(Yes I may be throwing excuses to see the Newt family together but that's just me XD)
It’s also in that the difference between those disasters and Frogvasion is those were done by humans and not frog aliens. Since Mr X learned from the Boonchuys that not everyone from Amphibia wants to take over earth, just Andrias (and the Core), it would shine a bad light on Amphibians if the new amphibian government tries to have an open peace talks with our earth government but the only thing humans have on mind is the destruction of LA. We don’t even treat humans with the benefit of the doubt.
Now for those who were apart of the Frogvasion know the truth and so it depends on ppl to ppl how they’d react to the amphibians in disguise but with the Trio’s endorsement I could see a few ppl swayed to trusting them.
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