#can't stop thinking as about Jonathan

[hemi-demi]

I miss them sm ❤️❤️

Spoilers(ish) for Protocol below

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Please let them just be a happy couple in the TMAGP universe that shows up for like a few minutes to just be really cute together and then get to run off to be happy away from the insanity. I just want one universe where they're happy, that's all I need.

[anniflamma]

David's last line from David Et Jonathas.

I still can't believe that a 1600s opera could make me feel emotions

[ihaveanaversiontodecisions]

"The Lonely’s really got you, hasn’t it?"

"You know, I think it always did.

" Maybe... Well, I’ll be here, if you ever need me."

"I hope so."

"just don't wait too long, okay? if you haven't already."

WHAT IF I KILL MYSELF I HATE GAY PEOPLE

[tokumusume]

[nanaarchy]

My friends are watching TMA, about halfway through season 2 (so jon is still upkeeping his "I Am Elegant and Respectable" persona), but they haven't seen ANY fanart. and they have described Jon as:

"tall"

"elegant"

"handsome"

"very pale"

"short hair probably"

"he deserves respect"

"painfully british blond"

"depressed emo anime protagonist"

"malnourished but still kinda hot"

They also immediately called Martin "very small" which is

[tangents-within-tangents]

Would that there was a faithful, accurate adaptation of Dracula so that Jonathan Decker and Alan Seawright could discuss the nontoxic masculinity, healthy friendships, and the BEST MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIP IN FICTIONAL HISTORY but nooo!

[laxi0v0]

Jon: It started with the wine

Ed: The wine

Jon: The wine! We were shopping for a bottle to bring to penguin's soiree

Ed: Oz was a sou chef, he's very gourmet

Jon: I grabbed my favourite cabernet

Ed: He's got no clue and so I say

Darling the wine

Jon: The wine?

Ed: The wine!

They're serving monkfish

So darling the wine can't be red, how 'bout this Austrian Riesling instead?

Jon: Eddie, you know I don't like the Riesling

When have you ever seen me drink Riesling?

Ed: Never but can't you listen this once?

Red wine and fish, you'll look like a dunce

Jon: Fine! I'll bring the red you'll bring the white that way I'll still get drunk you'll still be right

Ed: FINE!

Jon: Fine!

Ed: FINE!

[estelle-speaks]

Challengers Stoncy fic, when?

[considerablecolors]

me 99.9% of the time i hear the song happy birthday: oh my godddd shut uppppp i don't careeeeee

me when tick, tick... boom!'s louder than words starts to fade out with a light piano rendition of happy birthday: uncontrollable sobbing despite the fact that i listen to this song so often that it has been on my spotify wrapped every year since it came out

[moltage]

ok i may have talked abt this before but its on my mind again,

We Don't Know How Prophet Got There.

Mick is in the team because Cooper and him go way back, Cooper called and Mick came. Gina is there because Cooper knew her dad, saw great potential in her and picked her for the red cell. Beth got transferred from another unit.

Cooper hand picked the team yes but, HOW DID HE AND PROPHET EVEN MEET. What did Cooper see in this ex-convict that made him pick the man for his team? What stood out about this particular southern man? And to get an ex-convict into the FBI he must've done a great negotiation I GUESS. I don't know. Out of all the members we know about Prophet the least. And it bothers me bc they just went 'this guy killed a pedophile and that's all you need to know about him' fuck CBS fr I KNOW HIM BETTER ANYWAY

[spxnglr]

Also Egon remembering that DIO means "God" and reciting his "we eat Gods for breakfast" line before shooting his proton stream up his arse.

[ihaveanaversiontodecisions]

relistening to jon spiral into depression and paranoia and start sacrificing himself even more is actually so sad. "Martin doesn't want me working not even a month after I had worms corkscrewed out of me. is he hiding something?" no, Jon. you're just obviously deteriorating rapidly and he's concerned. shit reminds me that tma is a tragedy and that it doesn't stay as silly as s1 starts out :(

[thermodynamic-comedian]

three pseudo-gods and a first mate walk into a bar...

John battle who wins

John Gaius vs Jonathan Sims vs John Doe vs Jon(ny) d'Ville

You can either vote for your favorite blorbo or consider the information I have provided beneath the cut (spoilers ahead). No results button pick on pure vibes if you have to

John Gaius, Necrolord Prime

- the first necromancer, created the 9 necromantic houses by resurrecting the solar system

- 10,000 years old

- immortal

- was a twitch streamer

- incredibly powerful necromancer (bone, flesh, and spirit magic), once reformed himself after getting vaporized

Jonathan Sims, the Archivist

- the specialest little guy of the Ceaseless Watcher, a fear god surrounding eyes, knowledge, and being perceived

- avatar, the Eye heals him supernaturally quickly, functionally immortal

- has vaporized multiple people with his mind

- asexual

- canonically greying in his late 20s, has so so many scars

John Doe, the Undefeated

- piece of the King in Yellow residing in a 1930s private investigators eyes and arm

- purple prose, says Arthur's name a lot

- tenacious, stubborn, determined, survived the dark world and the dreamlands for quite a while

- the survivability of a cockroach

- supernaturally wooden finger

Jonny d'Ville, First Mate

- mechanical heart that regenerates and resurrects him

- immortal steampunk space pirate C̶a̶p̶t̶a̶i̶n̶ First Mate of the starship Aurora

- unfathomably old through time shenanigans

- permanent death that is foretold (bar fight)

- loves guns and blowing things up and violence

- played by Jonathan Sims who wrote and voiced Jonathan Sims the Archivist

- narrator, dramatic, too many belts

For the purposes of this exercise:

- the Resurrection Beasts are nowhere near J. Gaius for the entirety of the battle

- they are nowhere near a bar fight for the entirety of the battle

- J. Sims has his full Archivist powers

- J. Doe has Arthur, is able to manifest as in part 40, they have their bag and whatever the hell is in it (glass, stone, mask, books, etc), and they have a gun and as many bullets as they would reasonably carry

- J. Doe and Arthur will not be receiving help from Kayne for the duration of the battle, but they start with no serious injuries and are not currently fighting with each other

- teamups are allowed, through there can be only one left alive at the end

- no one has access to their allies (the other Mechanisms, the Archives crew, the Lyctors, the Mithraeum, or the 9 houses)

[lailas-in-space]

Can't stop thinking about Jonathan Jarchivist Sims can't stop thinking about the subtle emotion in his voice when he said it felt good to compel people can't stop thinking about how he probably sat in his office in season 4 and tried to starve himself of statements because he Knew what everyone would think of him if he embraced what he was Becoming can't stop thinking about how he always took the verbally damaging blows from Melanie and Basira because he truly believed he did not deserve support can't stop thinking about the guilt he felt when he was awarded wholeness and completeness for bringing in the Fears can't stop thinking about how after years of slowly turning into a monster, he ultimately tried to make the most humane decision of trapping the Fears in his own reality instead of creating the chance of another individual experiencing the incomprehensible amount of pain and guilt he holds on his shoulders can't stop thinking abou

[myiliterallyhavenolifegoals]

obviously got no idea how much 'jon' will be in protocol, but i can't stop thinking about someone who's had to listen to all the tapes with his voice on saying "oh so You're jonathan sims??" and lobbying him with like a million questions.

then there's a pause,

and he just says "jonathan blackwood, actually" in that smug bitch voice of his. you know the one

[willbyersabyss]

So what are Will's flaws?

Is Will totally perfect in every way? Is he a jealous saboteur? Or a secret third option... neither. Let's discuss Will's flaws and nuances!

1. Emotional suppression

Will avoids his problems. He hates talking about both his emotional and physical danger because he doesn't want to be treated differently. From a young age, he was taught by Lonnie that he shouldn't express his emotions because that makes him "sensitive" and "weak." So now he likes to hide.

This emotional suppression causes his feelings to worsen over time. Once he finally lets it out, he explodes. Instead of healthy conversations, he says and does things that he'll probably regret later. He blows up at Mike, he yells at Jonathan, he destroys Castle Byers, he shows his hand (what about us?)

Will's avoidance doesn't only have consequences on him, but others. If he had told someone he was feeling the Mind Flayer earlier, they might've been able to save some of the Flayed. But he couldn't tell someone because that puts him in a place of emotional vulnerability. That's exactly why he waited until after he fought with the boys to mention the supernatural. He traded one vulnerable situation for another, allowing him to avoid opening up about his true feelings. It was a distraction.

This also doesn't let others to heal from their altercations. Both Lucas and Mike try to apologize to Will, but he brushes them off. Will thinks he doesn't deserve consideration. The walls he puts up forces others to hold onto their own guilt, leaving a sore spot in their relationship. We can see this soreness in Will and Mike's relationship in s4. They never healed from the rain fight. Well... not that Mike tried to apologize after the Mind Flayer debacle. Again, distraction on Will's part.

Will’s inability to handle change is also due to him bottling up his feelings. His trauma and suppression makes him stuck in the past. He doesn’t let himself move through each day where these emotions would be felt.

It's interesting how Will is deemed the emotional one when his sensitivity is actually a result of him keeping his emotions in. Once that dam is opened, it's hard for him to stop. He breaks, just as he fears.

2. Self-hatred

And all that emotional suppression leads to Will internalizing other people's view of him. Will's self-hatred stems from bullying and his father's abuse. He thinks he's to blame, that he's a mistake. As more people distance themselves from Will, he believes there's something wrong with him.

When he thinks he deserves mistreatment, his relationships crumble more. They're unable to reconcile. True forgiveness can't be achieved if he doesn't think he should be apologized to in the first place.

Will's hatred is the reason why he tried to sacrifice himself in s2 to save his friends. He doesn't think he deserves to be saved. This makes him an easy target for Vecna. It's very likely that Will's self-hatred will factor into his upcoming supernatural plot.

The more Will hates himself, the more he hides, the more he suppresses his emotions.

3. People pleaser

If Will is anything, he's a people pleaser. He's selfless. So much so that this is the first thing we find out about him. While admirable, it actually leads to more bad than good. His people pleasing tendency goes hand in hand with his emotional suppression. Will doesn't like to take up space and inconvenience other people.

Will's never ending effort to please others leads to him making assumptions. Wrong assumptions. Whether it be letting Max join them on Halloween or pushing Mike to give a love confession, Will tries his best to use his mediator role to give people what they want.

But he doesn't know what they want, does he? Will wanted to make Dustin and Lucas happy, but this created a rift with Mike. He thought Mike was itching to profess his love for El, but that wasn’t what either of them needed. In an attempt to help, he's making it worse.

He must be successful sometimes, though, because there's an expectation from his friends that he'll fulfill their needs at the flick of a wand. This vacancy from Will makes him a pushover. They think they can make fun of him and he'll just take it because that's what he does. When Will finally stands up for himself, they're shocked. That's out of character for him. It's like they want to say: “Why isn't he letting us be mean to him? :(”

Mike even expected Will to tell him that his own girlfriend was being bullied. Will's people pleasing explodes in his face. So now when he's unable to read their needs and fix it for them, he's to blame. Will takes on the weight of their problems too much. While it's good that they rely on him, there shouldn't be pressure for him to judge their every whim. But it's not exactly their fault because Will set the stage for this behavior.

Weirdly, Will's need to please others is the reason why he didn't call Mike. He thought Mike wanted nothing to do with him, so he didn't reach out. There he goes assuming things again! But Will was there, waiting for the rare occasion where Mike did want him. He went so far right that he ended up left.

Will's behavior towards El is also an instance of wrong assumptions. Will didn't like being treated differently in s2, so he assumed El would feel the same way. He used his own experiences to inform how he should treat others. Babying El would make her feel more ostracized. Instead, he offered emotional comfort, similar to the comfort he received, after the bullying. This doesn't really help her because she doesn't have the same emotional mechanics as Will.

So Will assumes things, pushes his own wants down, and lets people walk all over him all in the name of being pleasant.

4. Freeze, fly, fight. In that order!

When Will is scared, he freezes. This flaw is so significant that they talked about it textually multiple times. I'm not sure I would consider it a flaw since it has saved him more than it's harmed him, though.

The few times Will has decided to fight instead of freeze, he was kidnapped and possessed. Confrontation isn't an option for him. His body believes he'll be put directly in danger if he does anything but freeze/fly. Fight is only used as a last resort.

It only really enters flaw territory when it's an inconvenience. He froze during the sauna test, when El was being bullied, and when he should've shot the creature in the shed. Will is unable to help himself and others when he's scared.

When he snaps out of it, he cries and feels guilty for being so hesitant. He wishes he could do more but he can't. This wraps back around to his self-hatred.

5. Jealousy

When his best friend of 10 years that he's in love with starts to ditch him for some random girl, it's not shocking that there would be some jealousy! Will is the silent jealous type. His jealousy doesn't really manifest into resentment or outward action against the other person. Unlike a certain someone...

Will only shows it through rolling eyes, a snarky comment here or there, or an outburst at his most emotionally vulnerable. I mean, if Will really wanted to see El crash and burn, he could've kept his mouth shut the entire Rink-O-Mania day. Or he could've ignored her in the courtyard as she picks up the pieces of her project. But he didn't.

The worst we've seen Will's jealousy was during the rain fight. He called El stupid. There's no beating around the bush, he was in the wrong for that. But this came out of Will because his emotions were at an all time high. Why? Emotional suppression!

A lot of Will's snarky comments towards El are out of genuine confusion. He doesn't understand how El can have exactly what he wants, but she's willing to ruin it by lying. Unfortunately, he later learns that exact lesson. He's envious that she can do what Mike hates without major repercussions, while he's somehow blamed for her lies. And why does he get blamed? People pleaser expectations!

Will waited until a quiet moment to inform El of her mistakes. Will's goal isn't to humiliate El. He doesn't let his jealousy lead to resentment. Instead, he tried to (snarkily) lead her to make better decisions because it's not fair! It's not fair that she can have it all without working for it!

And now we're back at self-hatred. Some of his jealous moments make it bubble back up. He bends his painting, something he put his blood, sweat, and tears into, because he isn't enough for them. Their ideal day is without him. Will's art is an extension of himself. He's aiming his anger back at himself by hurting his art.

All of his flaws connect back to his low self-esteem in some way. This is why it's important for Will to receive and accept love in his life. A big part of his arc is self acceptance.

So there it is in all its glory! All of Will's main flaws in one post. What did we learn? Will suppresses his emotions, hates himself, pleases others to a fault, freezes, and is green with envy. And he wouldn't be Will without 'em!