#calypso mention

[pinetree-mason-pines]

Hey Dipper, so long story short, there’s this siren named Calypso (very sweet, she and Ford were reconnecting, they knew each other back when Ford first got here) then a different anon (named Wrongzilla by Mabel and the rest of Team Epic) started making her feel like all they would do is hurt Ford, Bill came by and manipulated the situation, they made a deal, and now Bills possessing Calypso, got Ford controlled by a siren song, Stan was controlled for a little bit (Fidds and Mabel got him back, thankfully) we have unicorn hair, still figuring out how we want to use it to defeat bill.

Phew, that was a lot, anyways, here’s your headphones, we don’t want you getting controlled either.

*a pair of purple noise-canceling headphones appear in front of you*

-Best wishes, Cy

(PS: don’t go near the lake!! That’s where Billypso (Bill in Calypsos body) is, even if you’re wearing the headphones!)

W—WHAT? This is too much to handle! I feel like I’m going to pass out- please tell me everyone’s okay?! How did Bill get back to Oregon!

I’M FREAKING OUT MAN!!

That’s it I’m going down there, I cannot take this anymore, this is itching at my sweaty skin.. as gross as that sounds. I need to know if Great Uncle Ford’s okay! Uhh thank you for the headphones.. I won’t be needing them.

*He discards the headphones onto the front porch of the mystery shack

[perfectly-pyramid-steve]

DO YOU HAVE POWERS AND IF SO CAN YOU FIX @stanfordssiren

𝒲𝒽𝓎 𝓌ℴ𝓊𝓁𝒹 ℐ 𝒹ℴ 𝓉𝒽𝒶𝓉.

[Translated: why would I do that.]

[ahotpeaceofshit]

[poorly-drawn-mdzs]

Started a new book series, and has been a journey...an Odyssey, if you will.

[sandyisswag]

"We need more male SA representation!!!"

Y’all couldn’t even handle him💀

[ghostvibesonly]

wait odysseus is suicidal wait he was really gonna end his life the way he ended the infant’s wait the only people who’ve called him ody are those who hurt him badly/betrayed him wait “let me close my eyes” parallels penelope and telemachus begging him to “keep your eyes open” wait wait calypso was trying to talk him down and “stay in my open arms” unintentionally triggered the memories/hauntings of polites, eurylochus, his mom, etc wait wait athena held baby telemachus wait wait athena is dead?? wait wait wait

[yallemagne]

I'm watching people trauma bond with Calypso from EPIC in real-time. Y'all. A character can be a woman and be a rapist at the same time. And her being a woman doesn't mean that ACTUALLY there's some trauma in her past that justifies her imprisoning men on her island and taking them to bed against their will, it means that she's a rapist that just happens to also be a woman.

I love how Calypso is depicted in EPIC, she's just dripping with a nastiness that is only matched by Penelope's entitled suitors. She's sugary sweet at the outset, but when Odysseus rather violently rejects her, she laughs at his rejection, saying he's adorable when he's angry and that he doesn't have any choice but to submit to her will as a god. And then she goes right back to the sweet lover in paradise ruse!!! It's sickening! She denies his autonomy because it gets in the way of the fantasy romance that she's forcing upon him.

So, I'm frustrated with people trying to paint it as though she's the victim in the situation, that what she's doing is somehow okay because she's a pretty woman and they feel bad for her. That's so patronizing.

I've seen people justify her behaviour by saying she's lonely. Tough shit get a hobby. Being starved for affection has never justified being an abuser.

I've seen people insist she truly cares about Odysseus because she tries to talk him down from suicide... but an abuser talking you down from taking drastic measures to escape their abuse isn't them showing genuine care, it's them not wanting the game to end, it's them exerting control over your very life. If anything, it's more disturbing because she is the one who drove him to be suicidal. So she's playing this game where she drives him to the precipice and then tries to lure him back down with "reminders" of "their love", those reminders actually being of the words of his dead loved ones that she's pilfered and warped as though they were her own.

The most ridiculous argument I've seen in defending Calypso's behaviour is saying that we can't use terms like "rapist" for her because "it was a different time" so "it's not certain whether or not what she did would be considered non-consensual for the time"... Like must I even point out that... that sleeping with someone against their will has always been and will always be rape? Anyway, her actions fit the ancient definition of rape to a t anyhow, so it's weird to try and weaponize "cultural differences" for the sake of having plausible deniability in Calypso's favour. Rape is also used to mean kidnapping, which is why we have pieces titled the Rape of Ganymede, the Rape of Persephone, etc..

Even if Jorge were to come out and say that, somehow, nothing sexual took place on Calypso's island in seven years, that despite her explicitly telling Odysseus that his "no" means nothing to her as a goddess she somehow never went so far as to sexually assault him... it doesn't make her abuse any less bad that she spared him that one trauma! Like holy shit dude.

Imagine if there was an adaptation that featured Zeus' rape of Io, and the audience responded to every literally dehumanizing action Zeus took against Io by saying "ooohh but he's lonely. i feel bad for him the most he's just a widdle lonely baby man. his wife is so meaaan."

[fun-k-boards]

Actually insane how people defend Calypso like regardless of if she did force herself on Odysseus physically in Epic*, she still forces herself on him emotionally. She's constantly ignoring boundaries, for seven years she had abused him, but because she was, what, lonely it makes her in the right?? No?? Being in love with someone, with anyone, does not entitle you to their reciprocation at all. Even if you are in a committed relationship, no always has and will forever mean no. He explicitly denies consent to her 'affections' throughout the song.

She is an abuser even if she isn't a rapist.

*the song 'Love In Paradise' does hint that she forces herself on him physically due to the 'soon into bed we'll climb' line, even if she didn't rape him, she does essentially make or it's hinted that she makes him sleep with her every single night for like seven years. Which regardless I would consider sexual abuse as she clearly has feelings for him and wouldn't want him in her bed if it wasn't for said feelings.

[bugwolfsstuff]

I love giving minor characters little quirks, interests and backstories it's so fun :)

Like yes, Lacy from the Aphrodite cabin writes fanfiction and regularly commissions Leo to draw fanart for her.

Yes, Christopher and Nyssa Barrera from the Hephaestus cabin were made from clay like Pandora (Christopher's mortal dad was bi and he has a cool step-mom now)

Yes, Travis Stoll from the Hermes cabin saw Hermes take his mom to the underworld at 4

Yes, Shane from the Hephaestus cabin absolutely loathes lore olympus and will angrilly rant about it for hours. (my boy has a powerpoint about it)

Yes, Kayla Knowles from the Apollo cabin has beef with Shane from the Hephaestus cabin (tho she's the only one that'll listen to him rant)

Yes, Drew Tanaka from the Aphrodite cabin is best friends with Pollux from the Dionysus cabin

Yes, Porkpie the pegasus was Castor from the Dionysus cabin's pegasus before Castor died

Yes, Jerry from the Apollo cabin makes badass video edits and music for his friends (and the seven)

Yes, Harley from the Hephaestus cabin watched his mortal family get killed by monsters and that's why he's at camp so young!

YES, THE DIONYSUS TWINS WERE BEST FRIENDS WITH ANNABETH BECAUSE THEIR DAD DOESNT LET THEM GO ON QUESTS AND THEY'VE BEEN AT CAMP LONGER THAN HER!!!!!

[madbard]

Listening to Epic is this intense battle between “they’re a very bad person, they’ve done awful things, they’re DOING awful things” and “damn their voice is hot.”

[massiveladycat]

WARNING: MENTION OF SA AND R*PE PLEASE DO NOT GO ANY FURTHER IF THIS MAY TRIGGER YOU i need people to talk more about "hold them down". it's so messed up and the implications are so scary and oh my gooddd. just listen to it.

my interpretation; we all heard the tiny violin bit at 'share her spoils.' violins are Penelope's instrument and, if you listen closely, you can imagine it's her screaming, and to antinous that's 'music to his ears.' this entire song made me recoil. you can hear the intent in his voice, how he's straight-up honest about wanting to sexually assault penelope because no one can stop him. telemachus can't stop him, and penelope can't, and odysseus is at sea, assumed dead holy hell the duality of jorge. he can make upbeat, happy songs like 'open arms,' he can make upbeat songs with horrifying lyrics such as 'love in paradise,' and he can make songs like this anyways feel free to add your own interpretation but any antinous defender's will not be tolerated

[wydalenylod]

Fandom unfairly hates on Eury. Fandom justifyibly hates on Calypso. You know who Fandom doesn't hate on, as far as I can see? Antinous. That's what I call Hot Men Privileges.

I have even seen people claiming that he loved Penelope and just didn't know how to show it because he grew up without a father boo-hoo poor him. This man called her a tramp and wanted to rape her. How is it misdirected love, like, be fucking for real

[astrothii]

someone else has probably pointed this out already but i think it’s super clever how calypso, when trying to calm odysseus down during love in paradise, references the three people he hears the voices in his breakdown.

she calls him “ody,” which was eurylochus’s name for him, references the phrase “open arms,” which was polites’ name for him, and says “i’ll stay inside your heart,” which was part of anticlea’s bit from the underworld.

and then he starts hearing his voices again and it’s bits from each of the three’s songs 😭😭

and the fact that it’s calypso who sings these lines just add to the fact that she’s one of the main reasons odysseus is considering jumping— of course, his trauma from the war and everything that happened after would add to it, but for those seven years she was just pushing him closer and closer to the edge

[dootznbootz]

LOVED the Vengeance saga, hated Calypso's song I'm sorry

**is being creepy and obsessive over a man who's clearly in distress and doesn't like her, as well as she ACTIVELY keeps him on her island for SEVEN YEARS against his will** "W-Well my love is just too much for you"

I get she didn't rape him in EPIC, but she was still terrible towards him and washing down to "her love was just too much for him" is a bit iffy to me :((

Honestly? I think "I'm Not Sorry For Loving You" is actually fantastic in showing HOW Manipulative and selfish she is.

She's doing a "Woe is me" with her loneliness, she is still somewhat putting the "blame" on Odysseus with her "My love being too much for you, sorry that you can't handle it", when it's straight up not taking no for an answer, she even constantly speaks over Odysseus. Yeah, she's "not sorry".

Even with her beautiful voice, (wonderful job Barbara Wangui!) and sweet melody, it's like she IS supposed to be this "perfect paradise, song, goddess, etc."

What really bothers me is Epic Odysseus' "I love you...Just not in the way you want me to".

I think there either needs to be more apprehension in his voice when he says that. Maybe even in Calypso's tangent, he realizes "oh shit, she's making the island do shit. oh think quick to calm her down." and then having to say "Not in the way you want me to." to still make it clear that he's leaving.

I hope we get an explanation from Jay for his wording here? Because while Odysseus did appreciate Calypso helping him heal and recover from being at sea without food and water for a while AND most likely injuries in general, like...He Never loved her.

In some ways, I almost wish we got a bit more of the Odyssey for his answer. As Calypso, basically mocks Penelope and "why do you wanna go back to her? She will age and I won't. this place is perfect. I am perfect."

And then Odysseus being like "...You're an immortal goddess, ofc, she can't compare to you. She will age and go old. But I will stop at nothing to get back home. I've already been through so much shit, if it means going home, I can go through more."

[...] But if you only knew, down deep, what pains you’d stay right here, preside in our house with me and be immortal. Much as you long to see your wife, the one you pine for all your days … and yet I just might claim to be nothing less than she, neither in face nor figure. Hardly right, is it, for mortal woman to rival immortal goddess? How, in build? in beauty?” “Ah great goddess,” worldly Odysseus answered, “don’t be angry with me, please. All that you say is true, how well I know. Look at my wise Penelope. She falls far short of you, your beauty, stature. She is mortal after all and you, you never age or die … Nevertheless I long—I pine, all my days— to travel home and see the dawn of my return. And if a god will wreck me yet again on the wine-dark sea, I can bear that too, with a spirit tempered to endure. Much have I suffered, labored long and hard by now in the waves and wars. Add this to the total— bring the trial on!”

(Book 5, Fagles)

Puttng in Fitzgerald's too because I wike it :3

"[...] If you could see it all, before you go -All the adversity you face at sea- you would stay here, and guard this house, and be immortal- though you've wanted her forever, that bride for whom you pine each day. Can I be less desirable than she is? Less interesting? Less beautiful? Can mortals compare with goddesses in grace and form?" To this the strategist Odysseus answered: "My lady goddess, here is no cause for anger. My quiet Penelope-- how well I know--would seem a shade before your majesty, death and old age being unknown to you, while she must die. Yet, it is true, each day I long for home, long for the sight of my home. If any god has marked me out again for shipwreck, my tough heart can undergo it. What hardship have I not long since endured at sea, in battle! Let the trial come."

Even his usage of just simply defending Penelope by saying "My Wise Penelope" and how he's still saying "Yep! You are a goddess! Penelope is mortal... I'm still going home!"

This is something I find interesting with Epic Odysseus on Ogygia: After he speaks of Penelope the first few times in "Love in Paradise". He doesn't really talk about her on Ogygia again. Even at the ending of "Love in Paradise", when he's about to "close his eyes", he doesn't speak of Penelope or anything. Which is like, his one driving force for living at this point, in the Odyssey and the Musical. He's just wracked by grief, when it's mostly the fact that he's fucking TRAPPED and can't leave to go HOME.

It makes me wonder if for Epic Odysseus, he is trying to not mention Penelope as much to keep Calypso's anger at bay. Especially when you think of how in the source material, Calypso mocks Penelope and he has to carefully word things to not anger her as a goddess yet still make it clear that he will leave. He wants to leave and he doesn't care if there's more shit he has to deal with. He has to try.

Or maybe it's a spell of some sort. idk. Especially as we have Odysseus once more singing about Penelope and how much he longs for her once he's off Ogygia. Just a thought :P

I almost get this weird vibe that Epic is making Circe more of a "villain" than Calypso (which yes. Circe did coerce Odysseus in the Odyssey and was trying to in Epic. I literally wrote a whole essay about it.) But like, in comparison, Circe in Epic is not nearly as bad as Calypso in Epic. Same in the Odyssey. Like Circe DOES eventually become an "ally" after Odysseus begs her to let him leave, Calypso had to be FORCED to let him go. IN BOTH EPIC AND THE ODYSSEY.

idk. funky feelings :/

[mushroom-through-the-stargate]

polyphemus : you killed my favourite sheep

ody : oh my bad i didnt realise that was your sheep, let me make it up to you

polyphemus : no. die.

ody : ok *attacks, drugs, and blinds him*

poseidon : you hurt my kid

ody : i am so sorry about that in my defense he killed a bunch of my men including my favourite twink who moonlighted as my moral compass. can i make this up to you?

poseidon : no. die.

ody : ok *opens the windbag*

*ten years of Situations*

poseidon : hey youre still not dead whats with that

ody : dude its been ten years let it go your kid isnt even dead

poseidon : no. die.

ody : ok *tortures poseidon*

poseidon : WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT

ody : I ASKED NICELY FOR YOU TO LET ME GO THATS ON YOU

poseidon : fine you freak go home

ody : thank you

[cat-gwyn-gunn]

Hey hi friendly reminder that even IF Epic!Calypso didn’t assault Ody like in the source material she still kept him hostage against his will for 7 fucking years away from his wife and son. And whatever happened on that island beat him down so bad that our usually steadfast and determined and monstrous protagonist was contemplating suicide. And maybe just because a song is pretty and the singer is sweet and talented and the character is a woman with trauma we shouldn’t excuse when she inflicts trauma upon someone else.

Long story short I’m Not Sorry For Loving You is a beautiful song but Calypso does not get a pass for having a tragic back story and crying because she didn’t get her way.