#but the people that get harassed are Real People

[taradactyls]

I think the one I see this most strongly with is Pamela; Or, Virtue Rewarded by Samuel Richardson.

It's hard to read in the modern day. Pamela is a servant girl who spends a lot of time trying not to be raped by her employer, who eventually kidnaps her, and the only other woman in a position to aid her actively helps the attempted rapist to assault her in various ways. At one point she holds Pamela down in bed so it can happen (apparently the woman is this awful because she's an atheist). At another time the employer actively says that he would've continued and actually raped her if she kept fighting him, it was only because Pamela fainted that he stopped the attempt. She woke up from that attempt with her stays (underwear) cut up.

Pamela ends up marrying this man, after realising she has fallen in love with him, who is then 'reformed' by her 'goodness.'

It's meant to be a happy and uplifting tale. Obviously, to us, it's more of a horror story.

We see the victim blame in 'if you'd kept fighting you would've been raped' and also know that being unconscious actually makes you more at risk, and understand that a woman who eventually gave in to her master's advances is not any less 'good' for fearing being violently raped (or worse) if she continued protesting. We are less likely to believe people can be so entirely reformed by the 'virtue' of others, and see a man who would take advantage of power dynamics like that as bad even if he wasn't so aggressive in his advances. There are no real consequences for his crimes and continued harassment of a FIFTEEN YEAR OLD in his employ and who had zero protection or options. It's just all round horrid to our modern eyes.

But in many ways it was actually progressive for the time.

Pamela is a servant who ends the book married (not mistress to) a gentleman with an estate and eventually being accepted and adored by the land owning class. This is a rise of a magnitude far higher than Elizabeth marrying Mr Darcy, Jane Eyre and Mr Rochester, or even Cinderella as she was highborn, and was really making the case that servant women could and do have as much inherent worth as gentlewomen by birth. For how classist 1740 England was, that's a controversial take.

And though it's considered a backwards view now, this was the first novel/work which was really reaching out to lower-class women and saying 'your virtue is worth as much as upper-class women.' I dislike the whole concept of sexual virtue and disagree that Pamela's virtue would be lost through rape, but the point remains that this book was making a case for greater equality between classes in a time where the ruling class relied on being considered naturally better by birth and chosen by god to rule. The novel was criticised for exactly this.

Not only that, but by promoting virginity, he was also championing a woman's right to say no. Pamela's ability and decision to refuse is upheld both positively and as what should have been the final word. The male main character only becomes a 'good' person once he truly understands and respects that. An idea only becomes outdated once the societal framework supporting the status quo has changed, and Samuel Richardson was writing in a time where a servant girl (or any woman really, for instance marital rape wouldn't become a crime for another 250 years) who refused her master's advances would have little recourse or sympathy if he didn't respect that no. This novel was telling all those girls your sexual autonomy is worth fighting for... you're worth fighting for.

And, though we see that Pamela's abuser essentially gets what he wanted and gets off scot-free (an illness and a change of heart isn't going to fly with a judge, you douche), it was revolutionary for the time in that it's told from the victim's perspective as a horrible series of events. These acts, many of which were common place and not illegal (some even actively considered romantic) at the time, was a criticism of many masculine behaviours and championed the woman's/victim's perspective. It drew attention to what we now consider domestic violence and abuse of power. Though we might argue about his methods (a minority of contemporary readers viewed the novel as salacious because of the inclusion of the assault scenes) the author's intent was to actively give moral instruction into proper domestic behaviour. Which, aside from 'sexually assaulting your employees is bad' does also include less radical and actively harmful views such as 'be loyal and loving to your employers no matter what.' Historical novels are a mixed bag like that, but he was still advocating for mutual social contracts towards each other, and rejecting the idea that the rich men who ruled the world could do whatever they wanted. He was speaking for the powerless against those in power.

I'll probably never read the book again, it was too uncomfortable for me, but without an understanding of the time it was written it would feel like gratuitous assault and a glorification of abusive relationships, when really, it was the exact opposite. We're just lucky enough to live in a society where many of his arguments have been accepted both socially and legally for so long that it's hard to imagine a case ever needed to be made in their favour.

tbh nothing frustrates me more then when people brush off classics like pride and prejudice or jane eyre because they don’t fit into today’s modern standards of feminism and social justice etc.

remember that these novels were published in the 19th century. and that some of the things that were written in these books may seem trivial to us today but would have absolutely fucking shook readers in the victorian era

like,,,,,elizabeth rejecting mr collins because she doesn’t love him even though it would have been considered her duty in her family to marry him? or jane eyre not agreeing to marry mr rochester unless it was on her own terms? hell even anne brontë wrote a lesser known novel about a wife leaving her abusive husband with her five year old son to live a better life?? do y’all realize how unheard of that would be in the 1800′s?? where women were considered more of a commodity than actual human beings??

even though they might not be up to todays standards of modern feminism and romance, they were still HUGE building blocks for equality for that time period. so if you’re a reader who says to themselves ‘I read classics with modern standards applied and I can’t get past that’ then you are most likely going to be disappointed when reading classics and not fully understand their significance to that time period 

[daughter-of-sapph0]

I can't believe we're actually having the fucking bathroom debate again

for literally the past ten years I avoided using public bathrooms in general. every time I'm forced to use them I fear for my life that I'll be harassed, threatened, attacked, raped, or killed for no other reason than someone doesn't like that I exist in proximity to them.

obviously this isn't the biggest issue in the world that I can't use public restrooms. I've lived like this for ten years, I don't care if I have to pee at home for the rest of my life.

the real issues trans women face are far greater than bathroom or sports.

homelessness for trans women is at an all time high. we are on average paid less than cis women and other queer people. I'm not even going to explain what v-coding is because it's too horrific to even mention. not to mention that access to medication and therapy is often barred for us, and getting the treatment we need is often impossible for many of us

how many more of us have to die before we finally get the respect we deserve?

how many more of us have to starve to death on the side of the road, cold, homeless, turned away by shelters?

how many more of us will end up taking their own lives because they couldn't access the support they needed to live?

how many more of us will be assaulted, raped, and murdered, only for their obituary to use the wrong name, and for people to blame us for being victims?

I'm tired of being a topic of debate! I'm a human fucking being, god dammit! I demand to be treated like one!

[flwrstqr]

this isn't the enhablr i knew for the past 1-2 years. it’s genuinely heartbreaking to see what enhablr has turned into. i remember when i joined early 2023-mid 2023, and it was perfect. now? it’s like walking into an empty house, and the worst part is, it didn’t have to be this way. 

the way people tear each other down on that platform is insane. there’s no respect for boundaries or basic decency anymore. and let’s not even start on the name-calling. it’s not even subtle; it’s direct, relentless, and purposefully cruel. 

what’s even worse is how some users justify their behavior by saying that if you’re on the platform, you should expect it. no. that’s not normal, and it’s not okay. it’s gaslighting at its finest. people came here to write and make new friends—not to be harassed.

the leaking of private content is one of the most disgusting things to come out of enhablr. it’s not just invasive; it’s outright abusive. 

watching accounts stoop so low as to call writers names—when those writers haven’t even done anything wrong? it’s beyond disgusting. like, what kind of person wakes up and thinks, “let me tear someone down for no reason today”? honestly, get a life.

calling someone unoriginal? that’s a lame critique at best. but to degrade someone with slurs or other disgusting language? that crosses every line imaginable. it’s not just immature��it’s malicious. they’re not critiquing writing or ideas anymore; they’re attacking the person behind it, and for what? to feel better about themselves for five seconds?

we’re all human. we all have our insecurities, our struggles and problems. but to call someone names or slurs at them as if they’re not a real person? it’s dehumanizing. 

[sunnydust2003]

Vent:

It's official

I'm scared of her rn because since i deleted my DA account, she won't leave me alone.

She's still stalk and harassing me despissd facts, i left this god awful website.

She's calls me like a pedo, zoophilia, child murder and etc with no proof and took out of context.

Like explame this as possible i am:

1. Pedo stuff:

The reason why she's call me a pedo because i favourite parody of Cuties which was make funny of pedo which i favourite because i like people make fun of this type people who deserve that from piece of shit but i regrett favourite this art.

And one thing, i hate Cuties because you know why.

I'm glad it's got remove from good.

2. Zoophilia:

She's calls me a Zoophilia just because i comment of one my friends art of "Oh No, He's so Hot" gif of Squidward from picture of Donald being muscular (it's not fetish art btw) and she's believe i have crush on Donald which i don't have actually crush on Donald Duck.

Do i like Donald Duck, yes but do you have crush on Donald.

The answer is fuck no.

Donald isn't my fictional crush.

3. Shipping Ren and Stimpy.

She's believe i ship Ren and Stimpy just because of i comment one of person which i ask person where she's start ship Ren and Stimpy because i like heard when they start liles ship or anything.

Beside i don't ship Ren and Stimpy because i see them as friends and nothing else more.

4. She's hates when someone favorite artwork just because they don't like.

She's blame me of i favourite Spongebob x Vocaloid: Lust because she doesn't like song which okay fine but why you blame me from this.

Oh yeah because he's was prevent to female or some shit which btw i never actually listen to Lust or anything because i'm not interest on song.

Only i favourite because artwork was amazing and that's why favourite art in first place.

5. She's blame me over i ship something.

She's blame me over i made status about i cringe myself when i used ship Elsa and Selena Gomez just because i thought it's was adorable.

Keep mind, i was minor back the day, i didn't have brain development until i get olded and realized:

What the fuck is wrong with me.

Idk what's wrong with my younger self when ship this two.

I'm glad i stop ship this two because it's was weird af.

6. She's calls me a child murder.

Yup she's calls me a child murder because of i was hyper about FNAF movie and says i'm only watch movie because i want see kids get killed which wtf are you talk about?!

I'm not watch movie because kids get killed, i'm watch this movie because of how adoption of game it's was.

And i'm glad they didn't show kids get killed in movie because last time i have experince with kids get killed is was hard to watch.

7. She's rant about how i so called treat my friends shit.

Now yes, this was true i was asshole about my friends about whole of "Freddy hates his friends" but i was only mad at this because my friends is remind me of toxic cartoon community and i don't want my friends become one of them but since i watch AOSTH and Scratch, Grounxed and Coconuts are become my new favorite characters, i realized i was asshole towards my friends and i apologie to him from real this time and he's accept this apologie.

This now, we talks about Freddy fight Peck or other his interest, hell i even give him a idea and drawing based of i comment on this because i want make him a happy and i love make friends a happy.

But what really pissed me off is she's lying about me so called sent my whiteknight to my friends which it's was bullshit because i don't even have whiteknight and don't want harassing my friends over this.

I may was asshole but at least i apologie about my action and i want improve myself.

She's just lying herself with no proof of this.

8. Finally she's get trigged over i made one meme of Lincoln get kick out which was meant be make fun of toxic TLH fanbase of how overprotective Lincoln when Lincoln is no better.

Now if you see Such No Luck, i made meme this because i want pissed TLH fans off because how over sentisive about this when Lincoln is no better because he's was lying about he's got bad luck just want have free time when he's could tells his family honest.

Before you say, no i'm not defense Lynn Jr and facts, both of them are unlikable.

So yeah.

9. She's blame me over the facts, voice actor of Abby (Back at the Barnyard) is anti vaxxer and she's say i should proud of her because she's so called cares her children which i have question:

If she's so called cares her child, she shouldn't realized maybe i should protect my kids from infection but nope, she doesn't give a fuck about her children and forced on people who tells to wear mask is canceled culture which prove me a point, she doesn't care from children.

And i want talks about her double stands ass because i like how she's called me a pedo when she's also defense Rev Says Desu who is lolicon and she's defense him by saying:

"Oh he's not going after a real kids, they are just fictional characters" which is gross af.

And thing is she favourite of My Melody and Kuromi from Sanrio x Yu-Gi-Oh pillow sexual which remind me of:

"My Melody and Kuromi are underage" which is red flags because how she support this type shit.

So remember i tell you about she's thinks calling me a child murder just because i was hyper about FNAF movie.

About that, she's also double stands because she's calling me a child murder over FNAF movie but yet, she's have favourite FNAF on her DA.

Hey are you same person telling me about i'm so called support child murder just because of one movie but yet, you favourite FNAF despised facts, you just said to me i support child murder but i guess, she's become stupid af and acting like she's a innocent person.

Yeah fuck this bullshit.

So yeah, i'm done with this shit.

It's time to move on from good.

So yeah, if you reading this:

Please leave me the fuck alone, i don't want have deal with you or anything.

I just want get free from stalker and harassing i got from you.

So please leave the internet and get some seriously help.

[reidsdimples]

Confession

18+ ❤️‍🔥MDNI‼️

Original character x MGG

What happens when a fan gets a shot with Matthew ?

A/N: nothing depicted here is real, please never attempt to contact him. This is a fictional confession, set of events, and outcome. I write darker novels, so I enjoy the deranged inner monologue trope. I have no intentions of ever contacting or harming Matthew. This is a work of FICTION ‼️

“Alright Father, this is my confession.

When it started it was just for fun, a joke. Not many people know that celebrity phone numbers are in the public domain if you know where to look. I was bored, so I looked.

I was certain when I found my current hyperfixation’s phone number, that it was an out of date number or something. I had no way to confirm it was Matthew Gray Gubler’s number and I wasn’t about to dox him or harass him.

So there it sat, a screenshot in my phone, saying nothing for months as life lulled on.

Then as I was cleaning out my photos, I decided to add it to my contacts with a smirk, feeling a weird sense of power by having this information, even if it could be outdated or flat out wrong.

My workday continued as normal and then I got a Snapchat notification:

Your New Contact: MGG is on Snapchat!

I paused. This was it, it would be like when my friends got new phone numbers and someone made a snap account with their old ones. The contact in my phone would be linked to a strangers snapchat. I assumed this would be confirmation that this phone number was outdated; that the current Snapchat attached to it would be some John Doe I’ve never heard of. So I opened it.

My mouth hit the floor.

The Snapchat username was a version of his name, with “Matthew Gray Gubler” as the account name.

Fuck.

This number I was uncertain of… was his.

Again, I did nothing. For so long, I did nothing.

Until I did something, wholly stupid and inappropriate in a drunken stupor that would surely urge him to change his phone number, the only true connection to him I had. Even if he didn’t know I existed.

I rolled off my bed the morning after a night of drinking until I was black out drunk with the girls. I couldn’t tell them about the phone number, it was insane. I knew that, I wasn’t a stalker. I’m not a stalker.

Right?

I opened my phone that morning to see a text message from the forbidden number.

(1) New Message: MGG

My heart lurched in my throat, and the last remains of alcohol from the night before became acquainted with my carpet.

I panicked, he couldn’t have texted me, I never texted him.

Or so I thought.

Apparently, in my altered state, I thought it would be a good idea to send this perfect fucking stranger the following picture and message:

Me: feral for you.

I cringed at myself, too terrified to move my fingers which covered his response.

He responded?!!!

MGG: Well hello :)

It was then that I threw my phone, mortified of my actions.

I didn’t respond, I wanted to, but it was wrong. Wrong to have his number in the first place, wrong to send him that text, wrong that I didn’t remember it. Wrong wrong wrong.

Easily six weeks passed and then he texted me.

MGG: Hi

Hi, just hi. Six weeks later. I became giddy, amazed that the photo I sent him stuck with him for six weeks and he decided to text me because if it, a perfect stranger mind you.

I debated ignoring him. But lost that battle. I needed him.

Me: Hey :)

He responded fairly quickly that day. A trait of his I’ve since learned comes and goes.

MGG: so, was that previous message meant for me?

Me: Depends, is this Matthew?

Pretty sure my jaw stayed on the floor for those first few messages. Maybe I’m still in disbelief at the entire situation. Who knows.

MGG: Yes

Me: Proof?

MGG: You texted me first.

Me: true

MGG: your real name and I’ll send you a picture to prove it’s me. ‘Feral girl’ won’t do

Me: Nora

MGG: We haven’t met in person have we? Here’s your proof,

MGG: is this the Matthew you seek?

Me: it is indeed the Matthew I seek. No we haven’t met in person.

MGG: but you have my number?

Me: friend of a friend gave it to me

That was the first lie I told him, but seriously. I couldn’t say I searched his number out like a deranged fan, I was not deranged. I was perfectly… ranged (?)

It was days before I heard from him again.

MGG: Where do you live?

Me: New York, west village

MGG: send pic of you?

Father, you must understand that the fangirl inside of me was so far gone at this point… I see that now. Once he started texting me, I couldn’t go back.

So I sent him a picture and before I knew it we were planning to meet in person. He was no bullshit as far as what he wanted this to be and I wasn’t protesting. I also was not forthcoming with the truth of how I knew him, I couldn’t tell him I was a fan that found his number. The friend of a friend thing seemed to be enough for him.

Again, wrong, so wrong. But I was so far gone.

I met him for dinner at a high end restaurant, and gods he was charming, I was so brain dead and overwhelmed by the reality of the situation that I could barely talk. He didn’t seem to mind that I was nervous, he’s so animated and talkative that he was able to keep our conversation flowing smoothly.

But gods, I couldn’t stop watching his hands. He talks with his hands you know? And every intricate movement of his fingers…. I didn’t know whether to watch those move or his lips.

He was intoxicating, from his cologne to his voice, his height, his easy confidence, and his humor. I was drunk on his presence and unsure if I’d ever sober up from simply being around him.

I genuinely asked god to give me strength to walk away… he didn’t. Everything I wanted was somehow right in front of me and… I couldn’t walk away.

“You’re funny, I like that,” Matthew smiled after I told a joke. He gently brushed my hair from my face and the chills that went through me at his touch? I was done for.

I wish I could say that what happened in that hotel room was a blur, but I remember every second of it.

I remember what he was wearing, the red pants and airplane button down. Quirky, cute, casual.

More than that though, I can still hear his breathy moans, the way he exhaled as he settled himself into me. The noises he made alone are etched into the depth of my mind.

His curls woven into my fingers can still be felt there, I can pinpoint the gentle pressure I applied because it caused him to suck air through his teeth. The way he rolled his narrow hips to work himself deeper and deeper until I could only arch my back and gasp. I’m still in disbelief at how sinful he looked with that primal look in his eyes and his bottom lip in his mouth as he focused.

“Go ahead baby, moan for me.”

I can still hear his words as he angled himself to hit that delicious spot inside of me, beckoned me to climax with his fingers expertly placed on my clit. We moved together desperately. We were so hungry and so full of need that I met him thrust for thrust, grunt for grunt.

To my surprise he loved it when my nails clawed into his back… I never would have guessed that. But it spurred him on and eventually he got off of me and pulled me down onto him.

Then I was riding him, taking his length deep into me and I never wanted to let him go.

He threw his head back to absorb the pleasure as I gripped his shoulders, focused on giving him the fuck of his life. I can still see his lazy eyes drifting closed, his throat bobbing on a moan. Fuck.

He rolled his hips up into me, not giving me a choice but to take every inch and I’ve never felt more full, more complete. I had already had two orgasms at this point and my legs were shaking but I couldn’t stop as sweat began to glisten on his forehead. He was drunk with pleasure and I was so far gone, so lost and him that I never wanted to be found.

But, it was when he guided my hands up and around his throat, when he threw his head back like the feeling was an answered prayer. Like I was his god, that sent me over the precipice and crashing into the biggest orgasm I have ever experienced.

He urged me to squeeze harder.

“Good girl, just like that. Choke me harder.”

And still my view of this bouncy positive man warred with his pain driven pleasure that I was bestowing upon him.

“Nails,” he huffed.

So I did, I dug my nails into the sides of his throat and a small laugh/groan escaped him and I was sure he’d fall apart in my hands, I was so certain this daydream would fade away.

But he was real, he was there, he was groaning and bucking into me, and fucking me like his life depended on it.

I lost track of time, of reason. Then we were on the floor and I was on all fours screaming for him. I caught a glimpse of us in the mirror and I still couldn’t believe it, even as I moaned his name.

“Matthew, yes.”

And he begged me to say his name again, to say aloud who was fucking me, and it was like he knew that I wasn’t who I said I was. But I couldn’t care because the ecstasy of him inside me rolled on throughout the night.

The man could finish and keep going, and that’s a red flag but I didn’t care! Everything in the way he treated my body showed that he had done this dozens of times, that his body and his mind had been trained through experience to fuck like that for hours.

He didn’t stop until his third climax, hours later. It was animalistic, it was unbelievable. My entire body was spent from orgasm after orgasm, squirting for him and on him as he commanded my body to do so. He was the conductor of my body.

My mind has never been so into someone and my body showed him that, showed me that.

We destroyed that hotel room, we ravaged each other, and then….

Well. That was six months ago.

That’s how I got here. That is my confession.”

“That’s not what got you here… tell me why you burned his house down.”

“I couldn’t stand the thought of him being with someone else. I followed him, for a month, and he took a girl home,” I shrug against the strait jacket. “I still intend to ensure he ends up with me.”

“Nora, it’s time to go,” the orderly retrieves me from the confession box where a speechless priest sits mouth agape.

“I couldn’t let him go. He pressed charges because he couldn’t accept the way he feels about me. He couldn’t admit it to himself. That’s how I lost my mind, Father,” I grin and follow the orderly back to my hospital room.

I hope they never let me out of here. Something snapped within me when I crossed that line.

[sopaprimordialy]

Boppers, hear me out.

Victor is Luther's father.

Ok, now, you might be thinking: "what the actual fuck are you talking about?" Well, in this essay I'll expose favorable arguments to my theory/theses/head canon that, in the album, the police officer Victor is Luther's father. Keep your radio tuned tight, boppers, bcs I might be crazy OR I might be onto something.

(There will be spoilers)

1. First of all...

For context, Victor is the cop that kills Fox. He's played by David Patrick Kelly, the actor who plays Luther in the original movie, The Warriors (1979). This alone is a huge reason for me to believe that they are somehow connected, BUT THERE'S MORE!

I think we already established that what a character claims to be their reason for doing something is not always their real reasoning, or, at least, not the entirety of it. I do believe Luther kills Cyrus because he enjoys the chaos and has a lot of hate in his heart, as Swan wisely says, but I don't think that's all.

We have hints among his lines that he's also misogynistic and racist. "Well, duh?" You might say, because there were few white men who weren't those things by the time this story takes place, but sometimes we may underestimate how heavy this stuff weighs in the narrative. If he really likes chaos that much, why not kill, Idk, a police captain? That would certainly create generalized chaos just as he likes, but instead, he deliberately targets marginalized groups' leadership — he kills a black woman, a powerful black woman who was trying to unite her community.

She was obviously an obstacle for the cops to keep up with their oppression towards these groups because unity is strength, and all they don't want is strong communities that knows their rights and won't accept to be chased down like animals when they've done nothing but trying to survive.

In the very first track of the album, the question "but is Cyrus atractin' police action?" Is asked. The answer we find further on, especially when the police invades Van Cortlandt Park right after she's killed, is: *yes*, of course she is.

* Also, the timing here is too convenient, don't you think? Just like the police knew exactly when to attack, when the desperate crowd would be disorganized, when they would be easy prey... anyways 😛

2. That weird af phone call

Now that we have established that there would be a lot of interest on the police's part to have Cyrus killed, let's move on to the next topic.

Suddenly, without any further context or this being ever mentioned again, Luther talks to *someone* on the telephone. This happens in the album, and in the movie as well, it is not confirmed who the hell Luther was talking to on that phone call. I've already seen some people theorizing that he has contacts inside the force and that he's talking to them, and I agree, but I think he's not talking with some random cop, I believe he's talking to Victor.

Come think with me: how did Luther instantly knew Ajax had been taken by the cops ("Holy shit, Warrior down [...] Picked the wrong fight / now she's in for a long night", I'll talk about this later btw), and most importantly, what exactly was Victor doing at Union Square's station?

Let's compare this approach with Barnes' one at the park.

Barnes was alone in the bench, and only when Ajax approached him (and started beating the shit out of him), he called for police reinforcements. It didn't feel planned, even tho he was trying to bait them to come closer to him, I think it was much more about sexual harassment than him actually intending to arrest them. With Victor, however, it doesn't feel like a random encounter.

"Officers are on the scene". This line repeats a lot during Reunion Square, that alone indicates that there are a group of cops there, like they've been called. They knew the Warriors, specifically the Warriors, would be there, and why was it so important for them to get the Warriors if they're just a "likkle Coney Island crew"? Because Luther would be FUCKED if the Riffs reached them alive.

Of course, the Riffs could just not believe the girls, but he was not willing to risk it — after the phone call, Luther tells Cropsy the Riffs wanted the Warriors alive, but they don't. And he was right, wasn't him? Cleon being alive and telling the Riffs the truth was the only reason for him to be caught and... well, we don't know for sure what they did to him, but we can imagine they weren't gentle.

That being said, we have strong evidence that Luther was in touch with the cops, else he would have no way of knowing Ajax was grounded. And Victor needed a reason to be there as well; not only an informant, but also a motive, and if we consider the theory that he was talking to Luther, we have both things.

3. Trust in the impunity of a daddy's boy

During the entire musical, Luther thinks he can get away with about everything. I atribute that not only to the fact that he's a white man targeting women of color, but he must also have other reasons to believe he's immune to justice of any kind, and there's where I start to try to convince you that he's Victor's son.

I mean, when Cropsy shows that he's worried the Riffs would go after them, Luther, rather ignorantly, responds with "they're looking for the Warriors, remember?" As if the fact that the Riffs are going after the Warriors is enough for him to believe they would never even think about interrogating them, trying to find the murder weapon, etc.

This behavior suits someone that has never been held accountable for any misdeeds at all, and who would fit this description better than a cop's son?

Let alone that Victor is a captain. He holds even MORE power within the police. Being the son of a cop, even if you're a fucking gang member, you'd feel safe enough to do just whatever the fuck you want without even thinking about the consequences.

Like, how many times he could have been caught doing something illegal, just tell the cops "do you know who my father is?" AND IT ACTUALLY WORKING? I firmly believe he was the one to inform the cops about all of this — the gathering, the Warriors' location, and the fact that he needed daddy to arrest the women who could potentially cause something to happen to him, because the Riffs are not the police, they'd not give af abt who his father is, even someone like him would have to be a little worried about being taken by them.

4. Fox & Luther — Parallels

I bet you did not see that one coming. "What do you mean there's something in common between Fox and Luther specifically that makes Victor killing her an interesting parallel with his (supposed) son?"

Well, games. That's kinda it. Old games.

So, there are only two characters that canonically like games in the musical, because they actually mention them: Fox ("A-yo I'll take you on an Odyssey like Magnavox") and Luther (with his multiple references to Pacman during the entire thing and other game expressions, like "I was at the top of the screen when I took that shot")

The Magnavox Odyssey is actually mentioned on the movie (according to my own father. I confess I don't remember this part, but I trust my nerdy father who actually have a connection with old consoles to notice that) by the Lizzies (fem version of the Bizzies), and Fox was not even there at the moment. Actually, movie Fox does not have a lot of... personality, if you ask me, he was kinda irrelevant. Anyways, even if Lin and Eisa wanted to reference this specific part in which the Lizzies offer to play Odyssey with the Warriors to lure them, why not have the Bizzies saying that? Why Fox?

Because that would be a bitter irony in the future. I might be crazy, BUT HEAR ME OUT, Victor killing a young woman that shared his son's interest for games was a foreshadowing for him being responsible for Luther's death as well — because he failed.

This is other thing they share: they failed. Victor failed to stop the Warriors from going home, Luther failed to kill Cyrus and blame the Warriors with no consequences, they failed together at silencing them, and this CAUSED Luther's (probable) death.

5. A gang member who endorses the police?

Ok, this last section is based in my belief that, even tho the crews fight and have their diferences, they all share a common enemy: the cops. That was the reason for them to accept the truce after all, the cops are their common enemy.

But somehow that doesn't feel true for the Rouges.

First of all, they killed Cyrus, which obviously means they were not in favor of the truce. But why? They sure would suffer from police brutality too if they were a normal gang. And we can all agree that they are even more violent than the average gang (I mean... have you listened to their leader?).

Also, this line intrigues me.

I mean, "picked the wrong fight"? It is clear that Luther's view is biased to take the cops' side. In this case, one could argue that his misogyny would play a big part on him diminishing Ajax's will to fight against an abuser. Anyhow, I think that this evidences that, even tho he's a gang member, he has a strong connection with the police.

CONCLUSION

I think we can all agree that Luther has something going on with the police, and I hope I have convinced you that he has something going on with Victor specifically.

It is possible to argue that their connection is only "tactical", or even go as far as to say that they are friends or something (tho, I don't think that's possible. One thing about brats like the Rouges: they don't go well with old people, with all due respect. I don't personally see this working as a friendship), but I'll stand with the father-son relationship till the day I die!!

Thank you for reading this madness and please lmk what you think! If there's something that doesn't make sense, if you have your own theories... I mean, I'm far more invested in this than I ever thought I would be, please give me more content 🙏🙌

[maddiem4]

Well, I wanna be working on a novel right now, but apparently it's time to make a certain kind of post again, as is periodically necessary, because young queer folk keep trying to reinvent the Hayes Code for a variety of misguided reasons. So you know what? Let me lead with the TLDR, and then give my reasoning. If you DNI stuff like incest, I am not just going to unfollow you, I am going to block you.

Now, if you're the type to make assumptions, you might be surprised to hear that I'm not into incest. Sorry to disappoint. Well, unless you count selfcest, but people don't usually lump those together except by technicality. But incest is really not my thing.

That said, I have mutuals who are into it, and harmless about it. Whether it's fictional, RP, or consensual, it's not my business and it hurts nobody. Get used to those words, they're gonna be a mantra here. Further, I've seen how Hayes Queers (hey, I needed a term for them) talk about harmless members of their own community who give them The Ick. The post I'm writing here is a direct reaction to seeing a Hayes Queer post from someone I followed! Reading that, and the comments on it. And lemme tell you: y'all are very quick to throw your peers under the bus with the exact same logic (respectability politics, personal disgust, "making a bad name for us as a larger group", lurking threat to our moral purity) that the conservatives are using to argue for the mass extermination of queer folk. You are bringing pitchforks and tiki torches to the party. So no, I am not going to give you access to my vulnerable mutuals. That's the heart of it. You are a danger to your community, and I'm going to limit the scope of harm you can do. The broader queer/kink communities have worked hard to define harm more carefully than "well I just personally think it's gross." Scat and piss are gross to me, but my mutuals who are into those things do still deserve love and safety, not to be sacrificed on an altar of conservative family values for imaginary "one of the good ones" points. I have a responsibility to look out for my people. So do you, FYI.

So here's the recipe for living online with people whose kinks aren't your business and hurt nobody: learn to scroll past those posts or block those tags, or even block that person. Be an adult. The world does not exist to be personally palatable to you. You are not being harmed, you're being inconvenienced. If you can't handle that, you're the one bringing real-world (rather than imagined) danger to your community. Fuck's sake.

This also finally convinced me to look up what "proshipper" means after seeing it in discourse for years, these dreaded dangerous devils who apparently must be purged from the internet, and... holy fuck, how is this contentious? It literally just means you can disagree about fandom pairings without harassing people? That's just mature behavior in a shared space. That's what the argument is about? Oh my god. If you're arguing about this in 2024, your Aunt Maddie is fully ashamed of you for real.

The dumbest part is that people get doxxed for saying the stuff I'm saying, and maybe it'll happen to me. Guess I'll roll the dice. Which comes full circle: if you're looking at this post and trying to decide how to punish me for it IRL, you are literally being the danger. Stop and think for 30 milliseconds. Maybe I have a point that you are a bigger threat than two trans girls who like to pretend to be sisters for sex reasons. And I don't wanna hear no trauma excuses from any of you little monkeys, fetishes come from trauma a decent percentage of the time, so a lot of the people you're persecuting are victims of the same kind of assault as you.

This is more words than I ever should have to write about a self-evident topic. I know if you're young enough and still figuring out a lot of life stuff from scratch, it may not be self-evident to you. But hopefully it is now before you fucking hurt somebody. Thanks.

[lindsaylemons29]

8x08 ooc/incorrect/reactions

Lmfao the entire station gathered around the giant tv

"real life is boring" ain't that the truth

"as professionals did anything bother you, did anything ring false" oh boy you're in for a roast

Eddie lmfao

Yes you're harassing and you're a prick

CHRISTOPHER!!!

Christopher 🥲

Oh my god they're doing the audio like hotshots

Lmfao the music

Rainbow??? Foreshadowing??

I don't like how they're doing the voices and radio to mimic hotshots it's throwing me for a loop

Oh my god the glamor shot with the water

Oh he pulled out the captain Nash

I don't think you needed two people to pull out the shopping cart

Ok yeah you didn't deserve it but you're also a fucking idiot

"is there anyone who would want to do this to you" uh... Yeah you piss people off for views

Why does Brad even know his full name

Eddie why are you venting to him

Eddie why are you always wearing sunglasses pretty boy

"you're my comfort captain"

Well that took a fucking turn

Oh my god this Brad arc is so fucking stupid

Lmfao clumsy brad

NO EDDIE NOT ALLOWED

Also bro just rent

stress baking again lmfao

Buck 🥺

Yes you are wasting your time

I stg this cart cop thing is dumb

You can't tell me it's that hard to get a grocery cart pushing job

Hit by a bowling ball? Buck moment

Lmao the British thing

Brad why do you call everyone by their full name- nobody calls her henrietta

With this episode and the spring preview, they seem to be going really heavy on the cop side of stuff this year...

Also Bobby the only one from the 118 shown in the preview, hmmm

[seachelous]

to the feelings yakuza showing up in the danny phantom main tag, thank you for showing your whole ass and telling everyone you don't know what blocking and filtering is. i'll put together an in-depth tutorial for you.

Blocking

First, you go to the person's blog that you want to block. I'm using staff as an example.

Next you want to click on the three dots in a circle, next to the gift button. It'll bring up the menu you currently see here. You'll want to click the "Block" button.

Tumblr will ask if you're sure you want to block, as well as list what will happen if you do block the blog. This includes the person being unable to follow you, send DMs, find you in search results, or interact with any of your posts. This also means you will never see their posts. You'll want to click the "Block" button.

When you've clicked the "Block" button, you will see a confirmation that the person has been blocked. You can now click the "Close" button or close the tab you have open to go back to browsing.

If you would like to unblock this person for any reason- perhaps learning the distinction between real morality and "personally, i don't like this"- you can do so in your blog settings under "Blocked Tumblrs".

Tag Filtering

First, on the left sidebar click "Settings".

Next, scroll down to "Content you see". There are two sections here: "Filtered Tags" which will hide posts with specific tags, and "Filtered Post Content" which will hide posts that have specific words. This is to help catch posts that are either mistagged or not tagged at all. So like people venting about something in a main fandom tag that can trigger people, but not using the tag specifically made for that topic.

Type in whatever word(s) you'd like filtered under "Filtered Post Content". Then click the "Add" button. You can even add usernames if you'd like.

For "Filtered Tags" you want to click the little pencil icon, and a similar box to type in will appear, along with an "Add" button. Repeat the process of typing in what you would like to be filtered. You can even add usernames if you'd like. Finally, refresh the page.

When you are done, this is what a post with filtered tags will look like. I'd love to give an example of a post with filtered content, but I was scrolling for a good while and could not find any for this specific topic.

You have the option to click the "View post" button, which will show you the post being hidden, but understand that this is an acknowledgement that you know what this is and you are Choosing to look at it. No one has forced you.

Harassment is never okay. Anon hate is never okay. Suicide baiting is never okay.

Take some time, curate your experience, and maybe lay down on a blanket under the sun.

[crazy-pages]

Sure, let's talk about it!

First, you will be happy to know the following! (citations below) That any images (real or otherwise) of such are banned on Ao3. That directing the attention of a real person to a story containing written sexual material about them can be considered harassment and is against Ao3 policy. And that doing so is furthermore against US sexual harassment law - the details of which are essentially that Ao3 is not legally liable for its hosting, but is obligated to maintain channels for users to report it to them, and for Ao3 to forward this to the government if actionable.

While Ao3 does permit the hosting of content describing sexual content involving real people, including people who are underage, which is not being used in a harassing capacity, this is in line with common archival policies regarding obscenity, including the US Library of Congress' own archival policies. This is because real people do sometimes have sex while underage, and there are non-prurient reasons why one might document such events or write of fictionalized or hypothetical events involving underage sex, just as there are non-prurient reasons one might write about a child's death, maiming, or other disturbing event occurring to them. This makes drawing a clean censorship line difficult and subject to personal judgement, which is exactly what Ao3 is designed to prevent.

As an example, let's say someone is writing a historical novel about the rise of the USSR (which qualifies for the Ao3 hosting criteria). This includes the murder of the Romanov royal children, a beyond-the-pale crime against children. Should such a work be banned? Obviously not you might say, surely it would be an exception to a policy of not letting people write stories about bad things happening to real children!

Except history shows time and time again that these exceptions are not made, or are made specifically to censor unrelated content. A government could easily selectively enforce such a principle only against content about the Russian Revolution to censor discussion of it. So censoring stories about bad things happening to real children can't be the policy. Nor can you narrow it down to sexual material - that still removes real historical events. Nor can you narrow it down to fictional sexual material - not all historical events are well attested and discussion of hypotheticals can be non-prurient.

And that's assuming the censors even care! Remember, censorship safety isn't just about how well good actors can employ it, but how effectively bad actors can too. Because ultimately the capacity to censor stories is just a checklist and a button! Check the list, press the button. Nothing actually ensures the checked boxes correspond to reality! This is how historical fandom purges of queer content have worked. Get a policy permitting community or moderator purging of pedophilic material and then either collectively report queer stories for pedophilia, or get anti-queer activists into the moderator ranks and have them do it. It is extremely difficult to create a censorship criteria which isn't judgement prone, and even more difficult to create a judgement-based censorship system that isn't prone to exploitation.

So ultimately this becomes a question of harm vs. harm. Which has the potential for more harm? Permitting the hosting of stories involving child sexual content of real people, some of which yes, will be prurient. Or permitting a censorship mechanism for the archive?

Well, if we're discussing the harms of what you would want to censor, fully and obviously fictional stories containing sexual material of real children ... well that's such a specific scenario we can ask: What exactly is the real world harm of those stories, who is being hurt? To use the strawberry metaphor above, whose allergies are being triggered, which laborers are being exploited? And the answer is, well ... none and no one. Unless that material is being brought to the attention of and used to harass someone...

And that is against both Ao3 policy and US law.

How fortunate that Ao3 policy already addresses your concerns.

Unless your concern isn't harm being done to real people, but simply about personal revulsion.

II.K. Illegal and Inappropriate Content You may not upload Content that appears or purports to contain, link to, or provide instructions for obtaining sexually explicit or suggestive photographic or photorealistic images of real children; malware, warez, cracks, hacks, or other executable files and their associated utilities; or trade secrets, restricted technologies, or other classified information. ... If you encounter Content that you believe violates a specific law of the United States, you can report it to us.

Real-Person Fiction (RPF) Creating RPF never constitutes harassment in and of itself. Posting works where someone dies, is subjected to slurs, or is otherwise harmed as part of the plot is usually not a violation of the Harassment Policy. However, deliberately posting such Content in a manner designed to be seen by the subject of the work, such as by gifting them the work, may result in a judgment of harassment.

P.S. This is an incredibly sensitive topic. And this is not a call made lightly. Ao3's content policy was created with the contributions of volunteer lawyers, civil rights advocates, and censorship experts, people whose actual professional jobs involve understanding all the minutiae of these things and thinking long and hard on them.

This is a decision which a lot of thought got poured into. The least any of us can do before jerking our knees in horror over the depiction of something revolting, is to put some thought and consideration into what the mechanics of removing that grossness would look like, and if it would be exploitable by bad actors.

saying ao3 needs to censor certain content is like saying a museum can't have still life art that includes strawberries because you don't like them.

these are not real strawberries. you do not have to, and in fact cannot, eat them. no one with a strawberry allergy will be harmed by looking at them. no migrant workers were exploited in the picking of these strawberries. there were no questionable farming practices or negative environmental impacts from growing or transporting them.

because - and i cannot stress this enough - they are not real strawberries.

if you don't like strawberries, you don't have to look at the paintings. in fact, you can get a map of the museum that lists what works are in what rooms and just. not go in there. if you see one by mistake, you can look away. just keep walking. there's plenty of other stuff to see.

yes, real strawberries can cause real quantifiable harm to real people.

but again. these are not real strawberries.

you may have whatever feelings you like about strawberries, and so can i. you can draw and write about whatever fruit floats your boat, and so can i, even if that happens to be strawberries. and we can hang our art side by side in the same gallery, provided you understand that my strawberries are not about you (and your kumquats are, shocker, not about me) and that - and this is true - neither are real.

and when the fascists break down the doors and grab all the strawberry paintings and heap them in the street and set them on fire, please know that they are coming for your kumquats next.

so if you want a place where you can show off your beautiful kumquat art safely, you're gonna have to tolerate having some strawberries in the next room.

and that's okay. because the strawberries aren't real.

[bixels]

The Ryoko Kui interview's reception is such a disaster over a pretty normal (yet still flawed) interview between a non-Japanese fan and Japanese artistic. This is discourse for discourse's sake, and it's no surprise that almost every Twitter user I've looked at who's using this interview to parade Kui around as a goated mangaka standing strong against Western ideology is anti-trans.

Like, I do think the interview was kinda wonky with its focus on fandom culture, which Kui clearly didn't have much interest in. But sometimes that happens. Sometimes interactions between two people, especially a fan and a creator, two people who view and interact with a piece of media in completely opposite perspectives, don't click. Does this really need to get blown up into a "West vs. East culture war" issue.

Anyways, Kui saying "I don't consider my audience's interpretations when writing. I leave it to their imaginations, but I have my own read on things too" is the healthiest, most normal thing an artist/writer who wants a non-parasocial audience could say. Artists and writers use this line all the time. If Kui didn't enjoy autistic Laius or Farcille headcanons, she would have probably voiced/signalled her discomfort, like she did on the topic of Senshi fanservice. Overall, Kui handled the interview really well. Props to her to sticking to her guns and keeping a healthy disconnect from the fandom. While I think the interviewer could've/should've been more tactful and restrained, the flaws in their questions is not a symptom of the woke mind virus trying to wriggle its way into the pure Japanese psyche. It's the sign of an over-eager fan who sees a piece of fiction differently than its creator.

[mousegirlheart]

STOP MAKING PLOT TWISTS WHERE THE WHEELCHAIR USER WAS EVIL AND FAKING THEIR DISABILITY ALL ALONG

FUCK YOU IF YOU DO THAT

[sagegarnish]

I can explain! I have to start by defining "anti-ship", because that term actually came first. Basically, a while ago, probably close to 10 years now, people started getting sorta hostile over ships that "squicked" them. Basically, people on here mostly, and other fandom sites too, would start listing "Anti-" before specific ship names, to show that they were hostile to people who shipped them. They would do this in tags (often to make sure it didn't appear in the shippers tags, actually) or in bio, to let shippers know they would go after you and even post callouts if you liked the ship they were against. Sometimes it was more like a Do Not Interact, but generally it got pretty bad. They also self-identified as "antis" or "anti-[ShipName]".

So in response to the increasingly hostile and harassing behaviour of people who were "anti-ship", other people started putting "anti-anti" in their bio. Basically, "If you are against other ships to the point of identifying as an 'anti', then I am against you, and the concept of BEING an anti. Basically I don't care what anyone ships, you can interact with me safely." "Anti-Anti" was just an "I won't hurt you over fiction" sign on peoples blogs and accounts. More of a safety signal to others. However Anti-anti was also very confusing as a term, tbh, and slowly over time, people were like... "Hmm, well the opposite of being anti-something is being pro-something, so lets start using the term 'Pro-ship' instead."

Since then, the terms have gotten muddied. Antis became less of "I hate THIS PARTICULAR ship" and more "I hate people who like this group of specific fictional taboo tropes or kinks". Proshippers became less of "I don't care what you ship" and became more of a "Censorship is bad, and I stand for anti-harassment, pro-kink, and sex-positivity" vibe. Also Proshippers have a "Don't Like; Don't Read" and "Ship and Let Ship" mentality. These were older fandom terms that were summarized by curating your reading and interaction to what you yourself are comfortable with. Blocking and muting, reading tags properly, and using the back button on your browser are considered the best ways of avoiding the fictional "squicky" stuff that grosses you out.

Antis also began heavily attacking the proshippers as a whole, even to the point of lying about what it means. Antis made up a lie that the "pro" in proship stands for "problematic", as a way of making them seem evil and gross. Antis started calling SPECIFIC PAIRINGS "proships" which actually doesn't make any sense. Antis also lie and tell ppl "proshippers ship any pairing that would be illegal in real life" when the actual ships have NOTHING to do with the term "proship".

Many people who are proship have literally the same ships as antis, and are squicked out by taboo kinks... they just don't believe in attacking people over it, cause it's just fiction.

Recently a group of antis who think "proship means problematic" ALSO made up the term "proship neutral" which actually is the original definition of proship, ie. "don't care what ppl ship".

You can find reciepts and history on Fanlore's article here

As well as these information cards by Tikli

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[princessefemmelesbian]

Maybe I’m just being dramatic but it does legitimately scare and sadden me to see that a lot of transandrophobia truthers are literally just…young boys. Like, actual children. Like you’re not even old enough to vote yet and you have your whole life ahead of you and yet you are being manipulated into joining an mra group that hates trans women with a passion and thinks that men are oppressed in society for being men, and constantly uses Black men as their talking point in order to sound diverse and inclusive, meanwhile they’re also appropriating and misusing terminology specifically created by Black women to talk about our own oppression in order to get their misandry point across…to say nothing of the fact that the largest people in this group(including but not limited to its creator!) have misogynistic rape/detrans kinks centered specifically around preying on lesbians and trans women and this is something that is normalized and defended by the vast majority of transandrophobia truthers, or at least defended viciously by every single transandrodork that I’ve ever encountered who argued with me(a lesbian!!!) that actually there’s nothing wrong with getting off to the corrective rape of women because two consenting adults can do whatever they want in the bedroom(yeah right)! Not to mention I have yet to come across a transandrophobia truther who wasn’t also a raging die-hard Zionist.

And that’s why it disturbs me so much to see young trans boys jumping onto this transmisogynistic hate train like you guys realize these men don’t have your best interests at heart, right? They’re only going to manipulate you into being a sexist entitled asshat who shuns and bullies the trans women in your community and sees them as oppressing you. Like I know you’re still in middle/high school but you can still think for yourselves, you can choose to be better than this, you can choose to actually learn about feminism and realize that it’s not actually misandry that oppresses you, it’s transphobia. Misandry doesn’t suddenly become real because you slap a trans paint over it that’s not how it works that’s not how intersectionality works that’s not how any of this shit works. There are better trans men to talk to about trans issues who know that the patriarchy is real and don’t shit on trans women in order to speak out about trans topics, so go seek them out, okay? You absolutely do not have to listen to shit that the “male supremacists but trans” group of lowlives has to say. Hell, tell them to fuck off instead! Please, I promise you that there are much better options, there are ALWAYS better options, and you still have time to escape before they fully radicalize you into basically being an incel. There will ALWAYS be another way. ❤️

[dykedvonte]

I think it’s so ironic that the Pony Express escapes a lot if not all blame in discussion. I can’t even say I am excused from it but it’s just how hard people circle back to the characters alone without considering the environment they were made to be in.

Why would they design a ship where only two of the rooms lock? Not the bathroom? Not the sleeping quarters? We assume that all the companies in the universe are this shallow and careless to their workers but we explicitly know the Pony Express in extra vile. They are fed processed slop pack they can’t even really cook and the ration of those pack is meager at best. They hired and made people with a plethora of conflicting demeanors and beliefs work together on a mission where cohesion is important if not an outright necessity and punish them for not being happy about it. There’s no social protocols, not chain of command other than Captain’s word/choice and the only way to enforce that is with a literal firearm. They don’t allow them to celebrate freely and even took away leisure activities that would make them less stir crazy. They are only allowed a few hours of sleep despite their being no other real responsibilities or work on the ship, no matter the position or its importance. With any crew, with any level of synergy, this was a powder keg waiting for a spark.

I’m not saying characters that made mistakes didn’t make huge ones, but I think part of the horror is that at least for some (this is targeting Jimathan) those mistakes are partly made by a force of the hand. There’s a running theme of lack of choice and being forced into something and the very nature of how The Pony Express expected them to function plays a big part.

[bickbickbarnes]

So this is what I mean about people like you yapping from a purely uneducated background. You don’t even know you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Indigenous status is defined by the UN as a group that formed in a land prior to colonization. That’s Jews. Indigenous status does not expire as long as the ethnic group exists. The Lenape did not stop being native to the east coast of North America- what is now today mostly New York- because they were exiled from their land.

Jews also kept all aspects of indigenous status alive after many were exiled and colonized- they consistently resided in their indigenous land, they kept an indigenous language alive, they practiced an indigenous religion, they practiced indigenous land based traditions, they kept indigenous history alive, etc. 

So. Jews are indigenous to the levant. That’s not something that’s debatable- and very much not something you- with your total incomprehension of any part of this- can debate.

Now. The second part.

Can an indigenous people colonize land they are indigenous to?

No. That’s not what sociology tells us colonization is- or how it’s literally ever been used in real life.

Colonization happens from a foreign people exploiting foreign land, almost always to enrich an existing empire they rule.

An Indigenous people cannot colonize land they are indigenous to.

Well- what if there’s another group indigenous to the land? Ok. So? Many times more than one group is indigenous to a specific geographic area. That’s in fighting. Indigenous tribes have done that since existence started. 

And when I say be careful with your rhetoric- because while it doesn’t apply to Jews- it does very much apply to Palestinians. So while you lack the skill to comprehend it, what you’re actually doing is denying Palestinian indigenous status.

Because Palestinians are ethnically Arab. And Arabs are not indigenous to the Levant, they are indigenous to the Arabian Peninsula. 

Palestinians claim indigenous status because of Jewish (what they call Canaanite) genetic ancestry. so if you decide ancestry cannot make a group indigenous, well. You’re gonna have some trouble with the watermelon crowd. 

(And none of that even touches on how incorrect your idea of the formation of Israel, or Jewish immigration back to their land is. Nothing was stolen. Harassment wasn’t one-sided nor did it start from Jews. Etc. etc. You can’t even get through the basics, so we’ll leave that alone for now.)

You’re welcome for the education. Try to take it in. I know it must be hard.

It’s so weird seeing jewish people excusing genocide and supporting colonization while pro-palestine supporters act super racist towards ethnic jews. Do you not hear yourselves??? This word is literally going backwards istg