#but no wincest to speak of sorry

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phyn! happy wincest wednesday! I am thinking about how Sam and Dean are both not great at sharing their feelings. they're inconsistent and bottle everything up until they blow up at each other. do you have anything to share about FEELINGS and the ways the brothers are similar, and different, in how they handle theirs? not sure where I'm going with this but have at 'er

mmmmmmm feelings. they taste so good when they're all suppressed and thorny. this is all opinion and initial thoughts and a super long post but here we go:

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Similarities

Compartmentalization is the big one, to me. Although there are some differences in what and how they compartmentalize, both of them are masters at it. Dean is a bit more blunt about this, especially early on, although I'd argue the pendulum sort of swings at a certain point and we've got Sam with more boxes of unacknowledged shit he's placed in carefully organized rows down in the depths somewhere.

they're also both far more likely to use problem-focused coping, sam especially in the early seasons despite how he tries to get others to acknowledge their emotions. from seasons 1-4, at least, possibly including s5, sam's main (only?) coping skill is to Solve The Problem. this often looks like identifying the issue, researching it, finding a solution, committee 200% to that solution no matter how insane it might be, and putting that plan in motion.

(see: driving the impala into a derelict house in the pilot, the entire episode of Faith, the way he throws himself at finding dad and then at the yellow-eyed demon all to the detriment of saving others and his own life until dean pulls him back from whichever ledge it happens to be this week, the way he approaches the special kids stuff, then the entirety of season 3, and especially how this manifests in both mystery spot and the period we see in 'i know what you did last summer' when dean was dead, and it's part of what makes him so susceptible to ruby who promises solutions, and part of how he ends up rationalizing blood drinking and the kill lilith at all costs attitude)

and i put this under similarities because while dean is actually honestly genuinely better at emotion-focused coping than sam is in those early seasons, he is very solution-oriented in how he tries to approach feelings and emotional issues. this is most especially true for the big things as well: he wants to solve sam's grief in season 1 and he wants to do it by throwing him at women, he decides to solve sam's death by selling his own soul, he even attempts to (re)solve dad's orders to kill sam if needed by trying to convince sam that they should maybe give up hunting early in s2 (it's a weak and half-hearted attempt but worth noting).

and then of course there is just straight-up suppression. play through the pain, push it down and let it come out through bouts of alcoholism and violence, Do Not Talk About It even if you acknowledge its impact on you (sam and his grief over jess, both of them over john's death, dean eventually and his time in hell). this is different than compartmentalization in that it's there on the surface in a huge way and it's plain as day and you know it and acknowledge it but there's nothing you can do about it so you just sort of ignore it and refuse to sit with it or talk about it and just... continue existing with this wound bleeding inward or outward.

(see: getting angry and breaking things, being reckless or self-destructive and endangering self and others, etc. this is not a tactic that works. this is bottle up and explode.)

distractions is one i should mention here too, as one of their core (more healthy and adaptive) emotion-focused coping strategy, but i'm tempted to talk about it more under differences because they have really different distraction methods except for one. they both use fresh/new hunts to distract themselves from whatever it is that is causing them stress or pain.

Differences

continuing on the thread of distractions, dean uses media and escapism through narrative in a way sam simply Does Not. dean watches scooby-doo and horror movies and explicitly says he enjoys the escape and knowing that the bad guy is going to lose in the end. he references books and quotes them far more frequently than sam, everything from aesop to vonnegut, and we know that he loves music quite a bit, probably part of how he drowns out reality or escapes from it when he needs to.

in general, i think dean also dissociates more than sam does. this is integral in some of that 'dean as object' stuff. he separates himself from his physical body and steps behind it and away, so that what is happening to his body isn't happening to him, often when a monster or demon is threatening and implying some sexual violence.

conversely i think sam rationalizes and medicalizes a fair amount. he wants to understand and be able to explain (at least to himself) what his emotions are and what he's going through, because / as if the ability to understand and explain it provides a degree of power over it. sam craves control, and rationalizing affords illusory control over his emotions, allowing him to convince himself he has mastery over those feelings even when he's in fact very off the rails and being dragged around by his emotions like a dog on a leash.

this tends to mean that sam is up in his head explaining and re-explaining his own shit to himself until he's got a handle on it, and dean is out of his head escaping.

sam uses distractions as well, as i said with a new hunt, and with reading the lore. the lore thing is two-fold though -- it provides a sense of control over things again, illusory or real, because that knowledge can help in a pinch, even if it's not related to a current case. so he can kind of convince himself he's reading for work or for a present problem or that it will be helpful, even when he's using it as a distraction.

sam also somatizes more, i think, which is when your psychological stresses manifest in your physical body. we're dipping a little into headcanon territory here but i picture him as someone more prone to headaches and stomach aches than dean as a result of stress and anxiety (dean's stomach aches are earned through eating food he shouldn't have).

i connect this partly to sam's clean living/eating/exercising more as time goes on, although that is also about control. much like reading the lore 'just in case' and developing encyclopedic knowledge of things they may encounter no matter how far-fetched, eating well and exercising affords a small advantage against monsters.

exercising as a coping mechanism more general can also be a way to distract oneself and is a good emotion-focused coping mechanism when used to get restless energy out and improve one's mood. i think sam does use exercise adaptively and healthily like this and it's generally good for him, but yeah that it can and does tend toward obsessive control/coping sometimes.

something i think they do in different ways is also their problem- and emotion-focused approach to 'tend and befriend'. we can cope with our own shit sometimes by getting out of our own heads and focusing on others instead -- helping them with their problems or giving them stuff or just generally socially connecting with laughter and fun.

on this, sam likes to find a person experiencing a problem, get them to open up, provide empathy or offer words of support, and in so doing, stop focusing or worrying so much about his own shit. he does this with dean but also with victims on cases and gets more out of hearing about their issues and offering them advice/support than dean does. dean will engage in the practice too, but it doesn't emotionally feed him the way it does with sam, who processes his own emotions through empathizes with others, and dean does it out of necessity more than anything.

in contrast, dean likes to solve another person's problems for them (see: trying to throw sam at women) or distract himself by hearing about what is going on with others (see: asking cas to distract him when crowley and gadreel are co-possessing sam). solving their shit allows him to stop worrying about it or allows him space to process his stuff, potentially by hearing about theirs and having his own churn themselves along alongside the other person's, or in the meantime.

relatedly, dean also tends to mother hen others, and in so doing he uses caretaking as a means of coping with his own shit. this is part of dean's illusory control methods, because it affords him the sense that he's doing a job and if he does it right then things will be okay. he engages in caretaking by identifying and meeting the needs of others, and this is distinct from him trying to solve their problems only in how it tends to be more emotional, whether that's being 4 or 5 years old telling his mom things will be okay, as an adult pointing out bobby's drinking and later giving him whatever speeches he needs after he's become paralyzed from the waist down, and manifests in so many ways with john and with sam it's not worth counting.

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tl;dr

while both brothers use compartmentalization, suppression, helping others, and distractions at a broad level, at a more specific level, both sam and dean have very different emotion-focused coping mechanisms, and different ways their problem-focused coping manifests.

sam hits his head against a problem until it cracks open, and does so rigidly and to his own (and the planet's) detriment until he is forced to learn some more emotion-focused coping mechanisms after the cage. he is always seeking a sense of control so he reads lore, eats well, pushes his body, and rationalizes/medicalizes until he can gain a sense of control. some of this is adaptive. eventually he learns to sit with his emotions enough to process them as they arise and threaten to overwhelm or overtake him, which allows him to compartmentalize them more effectively as needed.

dean copes with a similar sense of helplessness by distracting himself from the issue through hunting and the job, and sometimes through narrative transportation and by taking care of others, all of which can be adaptive for the smaller issues or one-off hurts, but causes him a lot more pain with the big stuff like his betrayal over sam going to stanford or his emotions about his father (john's death and his treatment of dean and their messed up dynamic all included) or what hell wrought on him. when bigger hurts stack up, much like sam, he is eventually forced to learn more adaptive or flexible ways to navigate overwhelming feelings, which i tend to think involves sitting with them and acknowledging them and allowing himself to think about them, something i don't think he did when he was younger except when he lost control over his compartmentalizing, but that allows him to go over them and then set them aside better, when ready.

for both of them, when circumstances demand or emotions overwhelm, they will open up and talk out or acknowledge the emotion. this tends to manifest in distressed sadness from dean and in distressed anger from sam, when they're at their wits' end, with dean expressing shame but seldom guilt, and sam expressing guilt but seldom shame. exceptions include how dean expresses guilt over ways he's hurt sam or others and how sam expresses shame over actions taken related to victimized aspects of himself. at the end of the day though, they both get better and more adaptive and healthy as time goes on at sitting with their feelings instead of trying to control or ignore them.

[holyfreaks]

sorry but the "trying to get rid of us" part.... like we were here from literally day one. you came into OUR house and decided the show was about something that it's not. also, even if we weren't here from the beginning, we deserve to be here every bit as you do. why are you trying to gatekeep fandom, when it's always been for the freaks. especially on the incest family horror show

[tgtbata]

sam/dean panty kink as per request > 🩲

[samtallchester]

Getting Sam hate on my page, as well as hardcore destiel and hardcore wincest content. Whatever caused it I hope it gets bit by mosquitos every night for 7 days 💛

[supernaturalkickparty]

Ash's birthday event!!!

hey y'all!!!! ok so yeah i think im going through with the writing event, i'll post today and maybe like every other week as a reminder or something.

im excited and im looking forward to what gets made.

September 5th- crossover day! Anything any form of art/writing from Dark Angel, Supernatural, Walker, and wrestling(aew mainly i don’t follow wwe as closely as i do aew) have fun with the creations🖤

September 6th- Supernatural Day!!!! Can be J2, wincest, gen, qpr, whatever have fun🖤

September 7th- Walker Day!!!! Can be any pairing or any choice, any rating, any art style, as always just have fun with it🖤

September 8th- Dark Angel Day!!! Can be any pairing of choice or whatever you choose to do. I'm sorry you’re probably getting tired of me say have fun with it🖤

September 9th- Retired Winchesters- can be gen/canon, can be wincest, can be whatever you want it to be, just got with it🖤 

September 10th- song inspired, can be anything you choose, let music be your inspiration in your creations🖤

September 11th- FREE FOR ALL. write or draw or create whatever speaks to you.

i would have added So Weird to the list but i don't think enough people saw the show when it was out but yeah lol one story i never touched back on was Fi running into Sam and Dean and they think she's from a hunter family until they realize she's just a kid with an obsession to the supernatural not knowing that her connection/fate is somewhat similar to Sam's👀👀👀👀

but anyway, im looking forward to this and im super excited!!!!

[olderthannetfic]

In re 747048995348758528 (person with offline anti friend): I honestly think how you deal with this, if you want to deal with it, depends on what you mean by "offline." Are they a fannish friend who you happened to meet offline, or are they a friend who generally isn't involved with online fandom and just Enjoys Things?

People tend to call antis chronically online, but honestly I think us proshippers tend to be chronically online too :P For instance (G-d forgive me for using this as an example, it's just literally the only universally recognized thing I can think of), someone who enjoys watching Supernatural but generally doesn't participate in online fandom, might be weirded tf out when finding out that Wincest is a really popular ship and might cast judgment upon shippers and saying it's gross or whatever. Which, yeah, sure, is technically being an "anti", but it's not, like, BEING AN ANTI, you know?

If you do choose to "educate" this person, so to speak, how you do so might depend on what you mean by offline friend. Like I've met some offline friends who are a fan of the things that I enjoy, but generally don't engage with fandom outside of the official accounts for the franchise or maybe the occasional repost of an edit or liking a viral tweet or whatever. With those friends, I generally don't take offense if they make a comment about how certain kink/ship/character is Gross, because honestly, those friends are so non-fandomy that even the most vanilla, tame, SFW fanfiction is a thing they might roll their eyes at. (You might be asking why I keep those friends in my life, and the answer is basically: They're not fandom friends! I'll talk to them about the latest episode or book in a series or movie sequel, sure, but I won't talk about it in the same way I'll talk about it with a fandom friend. They don't mean to be judgmental and don't even realize they are, it's just legit a completely different world for them. Lmao.)

If they're a non-fandomy friend, honestly, I'd try to just avoid the topic or maybe just casually say, "Meh, it's whatever, everyone likes different things." Even lie through your teeth and throw them the bone of "yeah it's kinda weird and nasty, but what can you do?" (If you're like me, weird and nasty is a compliment, so you're not even really insulting yourself! :D) However, if they ARE a fandomy friend, and they know what you would be talking about if you called them an anti, I'd likely treat them the way you'd treat any other anti. Just you know in a slightly more patient way as they ARE your friend, ha.

But ultimately of course they're YOUR friend and I'M an anonymous person giving advice to an anonymous person via another anonymous person's blog (sorry, Older.) But hopefully this advice helps someone else too in a similar position.

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[ithinktoomuch4438]

hello!! happy wincest wednesday! if you feel like sharing thoughts: what is one of your favorite 'underrated' wincest moments in the show?

Oh god, this has been in my inbox for an embarrassing amount of time. I'm blaming the fact that mobile doesn't work and I've only been using desktop tumblr more recently so I never saw the notification for this ask. Sorry about that!

To answer your question....it's hard to pick singular moments out of 15 seasons of a show, but if I had to chose, I think I'd go with the end of the LARPing episode in season 8. Sam and Dean are freshly committed to one another and still trying to find their footing after the Benny and Amelia thing, and so when Sam decides to offer the olive branch to Dean of fighting together in the battle of kingdoms, it just makes me feel some type of way. Role playing is very obviously not Sam's thing, but he knows Dean loves it, and imho those small moments of "I'm gonna do this thing not because I like it, but because you do" speak more of true love than any grand gesture could. Its about putting the other person first and prioritizing their happiness, just because.

Some less specific moments I love are just the entire first half of season 7, all of the times Dean was being tender with Sam and caring for him even though he was very clearly barely keeping it together. Obviously the "stone number one" moment ranks high for wincest moments, but there were so many little details in those first several episodes of that season that just scream quiet, steady devotion. And I eat that shit up.

[i-already-know-im-going-2-hell]

helloooooooo cass, happy wincest wednesday! supernatural canon is incredibly undecided on this matter, so i want to know YOUR headcanons for what language(s) sam and dean have studied! do you think they have overlap anywhere, or would they divide and conquer? 🤔 i think about this so often, so i want to know other people's opinions too :)

Ok so I'm gonna preface this by I actually don't know much about languages in general, so I had to do research to come to a lot of these conclusions, but I don't know much about languages so I guess take all this with a grain of salt and the knowledge that I should most definitely be asleep.

So I have a couple of conclusions (and just fun possibilities) about the languages both of them would probably have ended up knowing and continued learning.

Tldr version:

I think Sam starts out fluent in being able to read Latin, Dean starts out at a "conversational" level of speaking Latin, and over time Sam grows to be just as capable as Dean at speaking Latin out loud or better while Dean remains at the same level.

I think Sam took Hebrew in college because he had to take a language to fulfill his electives and he was interested in reading original Abrahamic religious transcripts.

I think Sam picked up being able to read some Germanic language, possibly German, but possibly an older Germanic that I cannot name (I don't know how to read the language root charts, I've been staring at multiple of them and I can't figure them out, I'm so sorry...).

Long most definitely sleep deprived thought dump below.

1)So they both know Latin, but at different mastery levels. My basic conclusion for this is that most of the incantations I remember seeing in the show was in Latin or Enochian (this wasn't one of the things I did research on so I'm basing that solely off my memory) meaning that Latin would be a basic language hunters would have in their toolkits. I think however, that Sam started out with a better mastery of reading Latin than in pronouncing it out loud or using it, and Dean started out with the opposite. My main basis for that is that growing up, Sam was delegated to research more, whereas Dean spent more time with John out hunting, and so I think Sam had more chances to use his knowledge of Latin by reading old manuscripts, whereas Dean rarely needed to read Latin the way Sam had to growing up, so I think he has a decent ability to pronounce and speak Latin out loud, but he has a difficult time reading it.

I've read a lot of fics where Dean is not able to even really speak any Latin with any sense of ease, and I will say I don't think this is fully accurate. Dean has a tendency to play up his rough, uneducated exterior but when presented with areas of interest, he seems to consume knowledge just as rapidly as Sam. (Ex. he mentions reading Vonnegut and when presented with Samuel Colt's journal he is just as excited as Sam is about being able to read it, enough so he doesn't let Sam read it and says "get your own")

So in this case, I think Dean would be decent at understanding how to at least pronounce correctly basic Latin, because it's an extension of hunting, specifically an extension of hunting that denotes action (speaking Latin out loud would only be used in incantation, not research) and I think whether he truly enjoyed the process of learning it itself, he'd be as devoted to knowing enough Latin to use reliably as he was with any other areas of hunting.

I do think however, Dean is not interested in being able to reliably read Latin, because I think he and Sam are both used to their delegated roles that they're played since childhood, Sam that of the family researcher, and Dean that of the main body/protector.

Sam on the other hand would most likely become just as proficient in speaking Latin out loud as Dean after Stanford and as he grew into his role of working side by side with Dean in the field, but he'd never lose his proficiency with reading Latin because he never left the research role.

2)I think Sam would have a pick of many languages when he went to Stanford to choose to take for electives (he did, I looked up all their language programs and it's an impressive list), and he could've taken something like Latin that he already had practice in, but I think this would not have been in character for Sam with the way he seems to enjoy but also place a sense of control and worth in his ability to learn new things. So Latin would've been thrown out as a possibility. The reason I think he would've found Hebrew interesting enough to consider is again Sam's interest in god and religion. In the show Sam was a religious man from childhood, who was nondenominational, while still clearly holding base beliefs from Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam), such as a belief in a singular god and in angels. On a meta level, I think this has to do with the fact that they tried specifically through the show to make it so that Supernatural while often centering on religious/theological subjects, was not a show making a religious message, and Sam being overly interested and practicing from one religion specifically would have swayed it towards that direction. That being said though, Sam does still show a clear interest in both religion and specifically Abrahamic religions. So, if Stanford required him to take language electives, and required him to take other electives that would include the possibility of religious classes, I think Sam would be intrigued not only in taking classes that discuss Abrahamic religions, but being the kind of person he is and already being used to researching and reading through old manuscripts, would think to pair Hebrew with said electives so he could read original documents himself.

3)Ok so this last one I did try to do research, but as stated above, I do not know how to read the language root charts. Feel free to infodump to me about those in a later date if that if something you like Ciel, because I wouldn't mind understanding better, but I couldn't make much heads or tails of them. What I could figure out though is that if Sam already knew Hebrew, and Latin, then he would know two languages that gave him some basic jumping ground to other branches. Latin for the romance languages and Hebrew for the Semitic languages. I think when Sam realized that this gave him a possible jumping ground for translating texts and manuscripts in similar languages, he would want to learn more base language roots. I looked up a chart of every monster Sam and Dean fought in the first five seasons to try to figure out what kind of theological system many of their monsters would come from, and most of them actually seem to be Abrahamic leaning, because they have ties to demons. When they are not tied to demons they seem to be.....all over the place honestly. I ended up writing a list of all the non Abrahamic monsters (not demons or angels) they fought season 1-5 and listing their theological origins and the language roots for those and.....dude they're all different and it wasn't helpful at all.

So I'm honestly just saying a germanic root because 1) Sam already knows English and 2) they fight one monster that has Norse theological roots.

Hopefully all of that made sense, I'm not convinced I am speaking English at this point and I really really need to go to bed, but I wanted to answer this and it turned into a rabbit hole lol

[the-gray-ghosty]

Sam trauma fics please!!! Anything with hallucifer/lucifer/demon blood just anything lmao

Thank you bestie<3

I am SO sorry this took so long bestie!! @ghost-go-roasty-mctoasty

I have SO many sam trauma fics bookmarked, so I'm going to rec specifically some of the hallucifer/lucifer/demon blood ones for you!

Through the Devil Softly by siamesedreams, hallucifer/implied/referenced noncon (no smut), gencest samdean, dean taking care of Sam as he suffers through anxiety attacks and ptsd from hallucinations in s7

Convalescence by impravidus, post!cage sam through the eyes of outsiders. Hallucifer and very protective dean

My pain fits in the palm of your freezing hand by ad_castra

"5 times dean comforts sam by holding his hand (and one time he doesnt). Sam detoxing from demon blood, hallucinations, trials of hell, this fic goes through different times of sam trauma and sam having mental health issues

Leaning out for love by angelshotgun

Sam's been detoxing for years, but his powers stayed. He hid them from dean for years, but when Sam is sick dean finds out.

Help is never far away by wolfcry22

Sam gets dosed with demon blood against his will and has to detox again, but he also has the flu. Protective dean and Bobby, and ofc sam angst and pain

Through the Devil Softly by siamesedreams

Hallucifer, where Sam can't tell whats real and what's not. Sam has panic attacks and ptsd, with protective Dean and WINCEST (but no sex, just cuddling and protectivness)

Catching my death (staring out an open window) by ad_castra

Hallucifer/post cage sam and castiel, with enochian speaking sam and castiel, protective castiel and dean and unstable hurt sam

Trialculosis Sam by fogsrollingin

This is one of my favorite fanfictions of all time. The trials of hell are pretty much killing sam, and dean is trying his best (most of the time) to do his best to help sam. This has queerplatonic samdean, with hugging and comfort and lots of tears and hurt sam!

Buried at Sea by shadowhuntingdauntlessdemigod

With no leads on the darkness, sam and dean tour the queen Mary ship in long beach california. But when sam and dean are seperated, and a ghost locks sam inside an old cage elevator, post-cage hell trauma comes out. Poor sam! Lots of protective dean.

Hiraeth by inkandpaperqwerty

Season 4, when Sam and dean sre separated after dean finds out about the demon blood, sam overdoses on his antidepressants. Suicidal!Sam calls dean, and dean comes to his aid. Protective dean and very protective bobby, and a little bit anti castiel at the begining (he's kind of a jerk, but he does care about sam in his own way).

Let me know if any of the links dont work!! :)

[blanketforcas]

the person who runs rpftourney pretty much said "wincest shippers HATE her (cockles/destiel/misha collins) + possible voter fraud idk"

the thing is j2 is part of the tourney but their poll didn't even crack 2,5k overall votes while the one with cockles had 12k and j2 and wincest blogs were reblogging it begging people to vote against cockles and it was still nearly 50/50. like, i'm sorry nobody cares about your ship and that you hate a ship so much you'll vote against it for one you don't care about

it sucks sharing a fandom with such insecure people. it's one thing not to care, it's another thing to be so invested in being a pathetic hater

yeah i don't know how that's a fun way to do fandom, it does speak to how insecure they are and how it has rotted their brain cells and sense of whimsy </3

[weaksspot]

happy wincest wednesday!!! first i wanted to say i love the meta posts you've been putting out :) second, i wanted to ask what your favorite season is and why! also, which are your favorite episodes/plotlines within that season? (@incesthemes)

THANK YOUUUU i love your blog so much. this is really really hard 😭 honestly i watched the entirety of the show in such a short time frame a lot of it is blurred together and it is hard to even remember exactly what happened when so forgive me if i mix things up a little lol.

but honestly... honestly... i rewatch s1-2 probably most of all. maybe 1-3. genuinely just the "getting back together" plot of s1 where dean is so vulnerable and scared and sam is angry and torn is so beautiful and perfect i cannot ever get enough of it. and the absolute concentrated family horror of azazel and john and devil's trap. like i can't even speak. typical wincestie behaviour i know... oh and FAITH is one of my favourite episodes of all time. sick!dean in the hoodie...

same goes for s2, them stumbling around trying to cope with john's death. and i LOVE PSYCHIC SAMMY so fucking much that's the plotline i will always wish had gone further. AHBL1 will always be the THE episode of all time for me i can watch dean clutching sam and screaming for him over and over again lol. i'm gonna take care of you i'm gonna take care of you. it's not even that bad. AUGHHGHGHH sorry

honourable mentions:

playthings, MYSTERY SPOT!!!!!!, jus in bello, the trials arc - s8 was such a slog but the sam whump of the trials followed by the brotherwedding made it worth it, honestly i love the gadreel arc in a sick kind of way lol, red meat obviously. and baby. i am a very very typical wincest woman at heart as you can tell

thank you & sorry this was not an especially intellectual answer<3

[youraveragebtsstan]

My Mini Essay: A Wincester's Take on ✨Destiel✨

Since this is a safe space, I'm just gonna say it:

"No, I don't see Destiel as canon; but that doesn't mean their love for each other isn't real..."

Let Me Explain...

As a former Destiel shipper, when I first started watching the show around 2011/2012, I could see it. Their relationship had/has many aspects of the classic Enemies to Lovers trope we all love so much (the bickering, them both doing what they think is right, the unspoken mutual respect, the two sides of the same coin type of thing), so trust me- I get it. But once going back to rewatch Supernatural as an adult, (I'm on S15 E14 btw), the more I realize this 'relationship' most of us sees unfolding on screen is a relationship between CAS AND HUMANITY more-so than Cas and Dean.

To me, Cas fell in love with humanity a LOOOONG time ago (I'm talking Season 4, when he had to get course corrected for caring too much.) Now, granted some could (and have) argued that Dean is the 'vessel' so to speak for humanity. After all, it's Dean attitude about life, family and love that shaped Cas's stark view on humanity thus helping him eventually form one of his own; a viewpoint that eventually brings hope and sincerity to a later Dean's disparity in Season 15. But in my heart of hearts Dean is simply the conduit for Cas's love, not the object of his effection.

Speaking of Season 15, a lot of people use this as a point of reference to point out how in fact Destiel became canon. (And no I'm not just talking about the 'I love you' scene, but we'll get there.) I noticed in the beginning of Season 15 (mainly because it carried over from season 14), there was a rift forming and swelling between Dean and Cas's relationship. What Cas had come to know as family was disintegrating and slipping through his fingers- almost everything that he had wants to come to know and love and care for, was gone EXCEPT for Dean... Dean was the only thing left; but eventually he too pulled away.

In hindsight, it makes sense that in the end when Cas confesses on his deathbed he tells Dean he loves him- because in all honesty HE DOES. (Yes Destiel shipers, I will AGREE that Cas's love for Dean is REAL.) But I believe its often misinterpreted. To me, Cas loves Dean because Dean was the one who opened his eyes. I, nor any other Wincest shipper can take that away from Cas because that love'll never go away- that fact will never not be true. However, in order for Destiel to be canon, Dean has to reciprocate that love. And sure, Dean loves Cas- but as family. Dean has going to trust, rely, and believe in Cas as a pesron (very early on infact.) But Dean doesn't show those same yearning of affection toward Cas- its different. And I'm sorry but no, having a hunch of 'he was going to say it back' or 'but the writers just didn't fully commit' is not an admission of Dean loving Cas in THAT WAY.

However, we do see a similar yearning and unspoken pull toward two characters from the very beginning of the show in until the end and that's between Dean and Sam. Sure, they're brothers but even the show pokes holes at that every now and then. But with that aside, Dean has made it very clear that he would die for Sam (and has) just a Sam has done the same for Dean. Their twisted codependency is also seen by others around them- it's pointed out, it's made fun of, it's even explained in some of the most profound and beautiful ways. But most importantly, BOTH Sam and Dean have agreed and recognized their love for eachother- that's makes it canon.

Now, I'm not here to debate semantics. I'm well aware that some Destiel shippers can flip this and say 'technically you could say the same about Wincest', and YES, YOU COULD. But that's the beauty of fandom, we all have our own interpretations. I said this to not discount any Destiel Shippers or spit in your faces, but I said this because I felt like I had to unravel my thoughts after rewatching the show and I wanted to share.

All in all, Destiel Shippers, Wincest Shippers: Run on into the night until your heart is content! After all, that's what fandom is all about. 🖤🖤

[fandom-hoarder]

Happy Wincest Wednesday bestie!!!!

sam and dean's favorite movies?

if they had a movie night, what film would they watch and what snacks would they make/buy? (bonus: pre-bunker or bunker era or both)

Sorry for my late reply on this one, bestie! I wanted to come up with something interesting, but instead you get what has been stuck in my head all week:

(Not necessarily FAV movies, just....formative...maybe)

Dean fucking loved Cool World when it first came out, and he secretly thinks of it as his first hentai even though it's, colloquially speaking, NOT anime. He's had many masturbatory fantasies about fucking a toon to make her real. When Scoobynatural happened it was a legit porn scenario for him.

Sam loved the Home Alone movies as a kid---this is stuck in my head because of 11x01, when Sam is baiting the rabids in the hospital. Sam says, "Come and get me, you sons of bitches!" And he sounds honestly excited to get to use that line. Dean usually gets the fun movie references, and Sam's been saving this one up. And I think it just makes sense for Sam to be into a movie about a little kid totally nailing (ha!) some bad guys who want into his house, when he's scared to go to the cops and thinks his family disappeared supernaturally. I mean... 👀👀

For snacks, Sam likes to go traditional with popcorn, but he thinks the extra butter microwave popcorn is excessive, and likes to pick out the least buttery pieces. He also likes snowcaps and ice cream dibs when they go to a theater. Dean insists on licorice, 80% for the faces Sam makes about it. He also likes jujubes, and Sam suspects that's only because Sam once called them gross earwax candy. Loaded nachos and cherry coke icee are a treat for Dean when they go to a theater, even though Sam always nags him that the icee is a scam.

When they have movie nights in the bunker, Dean makes popcorn in an air popper and they each get to butter theirs how they want.

[charlestrask]

crazy how despite all of this *gestures at general blog content* i still dont care for wincest. speaks to how much i dgaf about sam. sorry to mutuals i know you like sam

[samwhump]

happy wincest wednesday!!!! 🥳 supernatural canon is incredibly undecided on this matter, so i want to know YOUR headcanons for what language(s) sam and dean have studied! do you think they have overlap anywhere, or would they divide and conquer? 🤔 i think about this so often, so i want to know other people's opinions too :)

(@incesthemes)

oh this is SUCH a fun question; thank you for thinking of me!!! and I'm sorry I didn't get around to answering last week; it's been a wild few weeks IRL.

I definitely think that both Sam and Dean have a passing familiarity with the languages that canonically would be useful in hunting, for whatever reason - Latin for spells, Sumerian and maybe Akkadian and old Aramaic for mythology stuff. idk why, but I envision Dean as picking up pronunciation/speaking/vocab skills pretty easily, whereas Sam gets more interested in the more rigid rules/structure of the languages themselves and learns any different alphabet(s) for writing that he can.

one specific headcanon I am obsessed with is the idea of Sam becoming fluent in Enochian during his time in the Cage, because Lucifer and Michael would go long periods speaking nothing else. I can't remember which fic it's from (I think I have maybe seen it in more than one?) but I really really enjoy the concept that there is some kind of split between "Old Enochian" and "New Enochian" and that Sam would have picked up on Old Enochian because that's what Lucifer would have known (having been locked in the Cage while the language was developing over the centuries). when he gets out, he tries to use his Enochian fluency to help with one case or another (talk to an angel, idk, my headcanons are only as fleshed out as I want them to be ohKAYY) and realizes that what he's grown so familiar and accustomed to is actually something that pretty much just links...him and Lucifer, and no one else. (and Michael, but Michael probably can also speak New Enochian if prompted). PRETTY FUN AND FUCKED UP HUH. yes. I love.

on a less serious note, I personally chose to believe that Sam went through an anime phase as a teenager (on that Sailor Moon, Gundam, Ranma 1/2, late '90s shit - iykyk) and picked up on some conversational Japanese, because he was definitely a "down with dubs/subs or bust" kinda elitist guy. probably also taught himself katakana/hiragana and some basic kanji (did he maybe get a kanji tramp stamp while wasted as a freshman at Stanford that he refuses to acknowledge to this day? perhaps.)

I think Dean probably took the bare minimum (probably a year, added up across schools) of Spanish to fulfill any foreign language requirements in high school, and despite pretending to hate it and skipping class most of the time, he actually picked up on it very quickly and still remembers way more than he lets on.

tbh, I could probably think on this some more, but these are just the first thoughts to come to mind! I hope this made some level of sense lol my brain is hella fried. thank you so much for the question!!!!!! (and everything you do for WW!)

[ithinktoomuch4438]

Episode 9, and it was….different than I remember. Not that it wasn’t a great episode, because it actually was! But it really loses a lot of its power when you already know the deeper parts of the story 😅that being said, I really liked how much was left UNSAID in this episode.

Dean is terrified to go back home, but he never really states why. It could be simple trauma, or facing the memories of the life he lost, or even the guilt that whatever killed their mom had been sitting there in that house the whole time and they’d been too blind to see it.

John appears at the end of the episode, and it’s a huge moment! It’s the first time he’s on screen since the flashback! But he hardly speaks. Just says he misses his sons, and leaves off with an ominous promise to “finish this”. On a first watch through, it really builds the suspense of finding the thing that killed Mary and Jess, and the fact that John won’t tell his sons what it is or even speak it aloud to Missouri clues us in on just how World Ending this could be.

And Mary….so much built in to that simple “I’m sorry”, especially knowing Mary’s background. She’s sorry for the deal, for interrupting and getting herself killed, for not telling John about hunting, for quitting hunting in the first place when she knew the danger, for failing to protect her sons….honestly the fact that she became a ghost makes so much sense considering all she’d left unfinished. And in my opinion, it explains why she’s so absent and distant after she’s resurrected in later seasons. I don’t think she ever once forgave herself for putting her children in danger like she did, and I think that combined with the resurrection 30+ years after her death kind of…broke her psyche.

Tomorrow’s Halloween, and one of the spookiest episodes in the series! (In my opinion at least) a very fitting celebration indeed.

Oh, and Happy Wincest Wednesday!