#but i just can't have runningnose
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wc-confessions · 1 month ago
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i feel like the erins totally are listening to people's complaints about the treatment of disabled cats and their response has been to give us less of them
in just the first arc pretty much every thunderclan elder was disabled in some way, cinderpelt and brightheart became disabled in battle/action, snowkit was born deaf, and there were 4 high ranking disabled cats in the other clans in crookedstar, deadfoot, nightstar and runningnose. it felt like a pretty realistic representation of disability in clan life, in the sense that it happens, often, and how it affects someone varies from cat to cat
in the following arcs disability almost exclusively comes up when it can be the sole focus of a character. given all the tc elders, brightheart, and even longtail in early arc 2, i was expecting way more portrayals of cats gaining permanent injuries in battle, and handling them in unique ways. but they just don't get hurt anymore. these *warriors*, these fighter cats who are constantly engaged in battle, never leave a battle with disabling injuries. it's always either a superficial scar or straight up dead
if we're talking realism, snowkit being carried off by a hawk is less realistic than a group of 40+ wild cats only having 2 members with impaired vision. several of the stray cats we feed have missing eyes and they don't fight each other to the death every other week. the erins either can't trust themselves or don't care to write casual depictions of disability, so they decided to just stop some time around briarlight
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bonefall · 1 year ago
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Bones… don’t do this to us… there is too much angst potential in Lizzie being a part of the Forget-Me-Nots, the precursor of Fire Alone, and watching Tangle and Runny grow up to be Thistle Law supporters…
When her kids got older, they all drifted. Mudfoot finally had the apprentice-aged kids he could hang out with, and Lizi had never enjoyed being a mother. She was closest with Deerfoot, having reached an understanding with him when he was a bit older.
While he was Deerpaw, he met the Forget-Me-Nots once. I like to think there was a look of understanding between him and Bluestar, a silence that said a lot, just before she decided to lend her Clan to help his.
Tangleburr and Runningnose though, they went far and stayed far. There IS love there, but deeply strained. Tangle resents how Lizi thinks she can "boss her around," Runningnose doesn't mind her when she "stays out of his way."
From her spot in the stars, she can't say she's disappointed in them. She doesn't feel like she has the right to; they picked their own paths when she wasn't there to guide their paws. Her own mom, Puffballpad (the child Snowtuft failed to kill), was a similar way with her, after all.
But she WILL say that Deerfoot is her joy. She has no idea how he ended up as the person he is, it certainly wasn't because of her help. His sense of honor, his wit, and his indominable will are traits of herself she admires in him, but UNLIKE her, he's dedicated and reliable.
She made a lot of mistakes in her personal life. She'll admit it. Lizi was young when she had them, had a mate who was very unsupportive, was a lot more interested in hanging out with her secret friends. Any actual attempts at parenting were thwarted by Raggedstar and his golden boy, and she certainly didn't push back very hard.
They deserved better, but unfortunately, they got her. And what's done is done.
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runn1ngn0se · 4 months ago
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So I was thinking about all the new Runningnose content we got today, including his appearances in the new graphic novel and his new page on the website when I noticed something.
Long ago I wrote a post about how he started off as nothing but a single punchline "wouldn't it be funny if a medicine cat was always sick" joke character that they couldn't end up writing out of the story and therefor had to be turned into more and more of a serious character.
In this new set of content, they've denied that the original joke even exists.
His page talks nothing but of how he suffered under Brokenstar and Tigerstar's rules (even when you could have just slipped a "sickly" in his traits), and in the GN his mention is so quick and fleeting that nobody ever mentions that he can't cure his own cold.
They are trying to commit joke character revisionist history, but they can't fully commit to it because:
They can't rename him, so the second somebody inevitably has to mention the ShadowClan medicine cat that replaced Yellowfang, even the most newby reader is going to raise an eyebrow at his silly name.
They just can't help themselves, and they always have to give him a little snot bubble every time he is visually depicted
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THEY WANT SO BADLY FOR YOU TO FORGET THAT THEY WROTE A JOKE CHARACTER, BUT THEY COVER IT UP COMPLETELY, AND I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING ABOUT IT
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the-owl-tree · 1 year ago
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Ive always kinda had this idea of where i wished nightstar hadn’t died to the sickness that plagued shadowclan but was still sick with it when tigerstar was exiled
With like tigerclaw was conspiring with some cats from shadowclan and talking about how nightstar was still weak even after getting his 9lives(in this idea he still doesn’t but they dont know that) and they come up with the idea to plant fake signs from starclan that tigerclaw should be the new leader(Snag, a shadowclan cat, breaks off one of his claws for a claw prophecy, maybe runningnose see the same tiger pattern in the shadows like in “exile in shadowclan etc)
So when tigerclaw finally shows up, he challenges nightstar, who is still weak but takes on the challenge to not show it in front of his ravaged clan. They fight and a combination of the sickness, his asthma, and the fight, he dies. When he doesn’t revive, tigerclaws followers say how starclan took nightstars lives bc he wasn’t strong enough and from all the “prophecies” that shadowclan has been receiving, it’s obvious that tigerclaw should lead them
Idk, ive always wanted the whole “a leader could lose nine lives” things to be foreshadowed but still having a plot twist with scourge ACTUALLY taking all of tigerstars lives, with nightstar just never having them at all
Oooh, that would be neat!!! Honestly, it would be a pretty interesting way for Nightstar to go...but also would cast a really interesting layer of doubt for Firestar. He can't argue because he wasn't there and multiple ShadowClan cats are corroborating the story...did StarClan really take Nightstar's lives? Lots of drama potential, very interesting.
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blorboclaw · 2 years ago
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got a better idea (for the moment, mainly because there are no suicides in it and it's very difficult to write cats killing themselves) than my Julius Caesar AU.
Murder in the Orient-Express AU.
Yes there's a relationship between the stories. Bunch of people collectively murder someone, which translates very well to a leader being killed multiple times.
Don't know much, yet.
Anthro? They really are in a train? Or just a bunch of rogues travelling together but not knowing each other?
Tigerstar I gets killed multiple times by cats who all have someone to avenge (Morningflower wants to avenge Gorsepaw, Stormfur's in it for Stonefur's death, Mistyfoot for Graypool's, Mousefur is here to avenge her brother Runningwind, Ash or Fern or maybe Cloud because he killed Brindleface, Runningnose for making Shadowclan the worst (can't remember him actually killing anyone from Shadowclan?)...
Obviously here the story would change from a child murderer to a serial killer but the form stays the same. Would be cathartic.
But then who's the investigator? Gotta be a bit foreign (Poirot is belgian) but still know about the case while not having been there which puts Fireheart out of question since he was there for a good chunk of the murders and/or found the body himself.
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oh shoooooot he literally has nine named victims. Can't do much for Firestar because it was post mortem anyway but for the others?? One life for each life taken + Runningnose for scamming Shadowclan and changing them into a dictatorship.
Back to the investigator, someone from outside the clans? Can't be Fireheart because prev explained. Can't be Cloudtail because Brindleface. Can't be Sasha bceause she slept with him and I'm not ready for a Ratchett/Poirot ship. Even I have limits and these limits are mainly "anyone who isn't a cat cannot be crackshipped without a very good reason and 'it's hilarious' only is a good reason for cats".
Could be a Skyclan member. Ooooh maybe we could have the whole story told from Firestar's pov to Leafstar or Echosong and she's trying to find who did it.
But then anthro or not? Runningnose can drug Ratchettigerstar any way since he's a medic. If anthro I'll feel the need to read the original book (yeah i do aus of stories i don't know) and make it very very close to the original. If no anthro I'll probably end up reading it anyway.
weighing options and I crave validation and love making polls so here you go. Disclaimer: if i don't like the majority answer I'll make up my mind on the other and not take it into account. It's the concept of tossing a coin and if you're disappointed by the result you know you wanted the other more and take the other.
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mallowstep · 4 years ago
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So if Ravenpaw were to become a Seer in your Yellowstorm AU witch Clan would he go to??
good question anon! it depends when.
so, roughly, apprentice seers are sent to whichever clan's youngest seer is the oldest. that is, before featherwhisker dies, even though he's the oldest seer, thunderclan is low on the list because yellowstorm is very young.
spottedpaw goes to riverclan, which means we have barkface as windclan's sole seer, and the oldest, so...they're up next!
assuming ravenpaw is the next seer after spottedpaw, he would go there.
of course, this is fairly flexible. if spottedleaf dies in riverclan, for example, mudfur and barkface would have to hash out who gets ravenpaw, and it would probably still be mudfur.
the only clan that can't really take him is shadowclan, because runningnose is clearly younger than both barkface and mudfur. cats don't pay super close attention to age, but they do know that runningnose is young.
you know, while i'm at it, i'm renaming runningnose. i can't do it, it's such...it's a bad name. okay, using poplar because he's grey and white and i like poplar trees, and heart because that seems like a good suffix, let's tentatively say i'm renaming him poplarheart.
(and, of course, littlepaw is a great way to shake up whatever the end results should be. if spottedleaf lives and littlepaw goes to barkface, shadowclan is open for ravenpaw.)
anyway, yeah, that's how it would go!
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aerial-jace · 3 years ago
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hm...2, 11, and 15?
2. Least favourite canon warrior name?
RUNNINGNOSE! That one's just so mean and I can't make sense of it. @creed-of-cats had the right idea giving him a less mean original name on his fic. Dishonorable mention to Onewhisker because just... what is so significative about your one whisker to warrant that name? What is it? I've never been able to find a straight answer to what it's supposed to mean and it sounds so dumb when he becomes leader.
11. Character you think deserved better?
Hollyleaf. The objectively correct answer is Hollyleaf. My girl got so shafted so many times, particularly when she came back from the tunnels and just sort of. Hung out. We were robbed of Hollystar, truly. She would've been a great leader.
15. Warrior code rule you think shouldn’t exist/should be changed?
From an "it sets a bad legal precedent" angle, I really think this one deserved to go:
The word of the Clan leader is the warrior code.
However, from a more "I have a gripe with this", I have to say you've really convinced me that the second half of this one does make me think it was just added just to make it more Christian:
Prey is killed only to be eaten. Give thanks to StarClan for its life.
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warriorsbutnotreally · 3 years ago
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Firestar Has Powers As The Fourth - AU
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ooo
so I'm gonna make this a TPB thing
but I will add some afternote info
for future events
in case anyone wants to do anything with this
[which idr if this was ever mentioned, but my designs and ideas and AUs are free to use I just ask for credit]
Rusty is a kittypet who is drawn by the forest and other kittypets are cautious about him as he's always had something about him that unsettled other cats
He seems to know about things no cat does and talks about things he's seen that no one believes exists
Rusty has the ability to basically safely separate his spirit from his body and wander around in his sleep, so long as his spirit has a place to return to
One night while he does this, his spirit travelling through the forest, he notices two cats sitting together - a blue-gray molly and a tortoiseshell molly -, talking. He isn't paying attention to what they say but watches them curiously, as he's done many times, but never so close to where all the strange forest cats slept
Suddenly, after the blue-gray she-cat leaves, the other cat looks and he realizes the tortoiseshell can see him do this and it frightens him into being wide awake
Despite his fear, though, he's also curious on what's going on and he feels himself being called towards the forest
Finally, gathering his nerves, he sets out only to find there's someone waiting for him.
The tortoiseshell from before is sitting out in the open and she greets him the moment she sees him
He asks who she is and she introduces herself as Spottedleaf and she asks if he was the cat that was spying on her and her leader
He sheepishly admits to it
Spottedleaf nods and then turns to an unseen figure that steps out of hiding. It's the blue-gray she-cat.
She's Bluestar and she admits she didn't believe in what Spottedleaf saw for a moment, but is quite curious about this young tom.
They have a long talk that ends in Rusty agreeing to join ThunderClan as long as the two she-cats promise not to tell anyone about his gift, as it has lost him many friends
With no goodbyes to anyone, he follows them
Rusty grows into Firepaw and is quickly mentored by both Bluestar and Spottedleaf. When asked, Bluestar states that she's curious if he's more suited to being a warrior or a medicine cat.
He's not interested in being a medicine cat at all, but rather Spottedleaf, being the only cat who can see him when he spirit walks, just wants to learn the extent of his abilities and such and has no interest in making him be a medicine cat apprentice.
They learn the hard way that she's not the only one, as he's noticed by another cat - a sickly ShadowClan tom.
When he returns, he mentions this and Spottedleaf informs him that who he met was Runningnose. She then speculates that perhaps its those with high ties to StarClan - aka medicine cats - who can see him.
Firepaw eventually goes to full warrior training to avoid any issues with the other medicine cats
Now able to hang out with cats his own age more often, he becomes fast friends with Ravenpaw and Graypaw, though he keeps his secret from them as he's worried they'd no longer want to be friends with him if he told them
He goes through his time in ThunderClan trying to avoid using his abilities - or, at least, not using them enough to get caught doing it
His stance on this changes after Spottedleaf dies, as he realizes he could've spied on ShadowClan and seen this coming, even though he had no clue he would've needed to spy on ShadowClan at all and it's kind of a illogical back and forth with himself
He makes a quiet promise to himself to use his powers whenever he feels he should to avoid losing anyone else
After Bluestar sends him and Graystripe to find WindClan, Fireheart uses his ability to wander until he locates where they are, leading his friend in that direction
Graystripe is in awe, thinking Fireheart is just the best tracker in the four Clans and looks up to him with great fondness
As they lead the Clan back, Fireheart is confronted by Barkface, who admits he isn't sure why, but he's certain that there's something strange about the fire-orange tom and he hopes that whatever that is, that it's for the good of the Clans
Fireheart promises that he's doing all he can to help the forest, even if he wasn't born into it
Barkface liked that
The gorge scene and Fireheart saves Sandpaw, coming to terms slowly that his powers can't help him with everything
Fireheart returns and Yellowfang is now aware of his powers, as Bluestar told her while he was gone. She wants to test his limits rather than just seeing them work. [Cinder and Bracken aren't apprenticed early]
While back to training in the medicine cat den, he learns he cannot physically interact with the living while his spirit is detached
They also learn, after he travels to the Moonstone as a spirit, that he can travel to StarClan and we learn of them a bit earlier than expected. He sees Redtail's spirit and he runs to ask him what happened, but is snapped awake by the sounds of Tigerclaw interrogating Yellowfang on why Fireheart is here
Fireheart interrupts by saying he was considering being a medicine cat
Tigerclaw accepts this answer and tells him he should bring it up with Bluestar
After he leaves, Yellowfang asks if he was telling the truth and Fireheart admits that he's not entirely sure. She informs him that if he chooses to become a medicine cat, there's always a place for him, but she warns him that it's not an easy path
Fireheart is aware of this
She also then adds that he'd never be allowed to have a mate or kits.
He's also aware of this
He goes off on a hunting patrol and while he's out he stumbles across a kittypet and she stares at him from her fence, wide-eyed. He's about to leave when she calls him 'Rusty' and he realizes that this is his sister, Princess.
Princess is happy to see him
He's happy to see Princess
They talk and she reveals she's expecting kits and he starts thinking about what Yellowfang said
Fireheart has been sneaking out to talk to his sister during the day and trains his powers with Yellowfang at night
One day Graystripe drags him off to go hunting before he can leave camp and the two of them hang out for the first time in a long time. Graystripe asks if Fireheart is actually considering being a medicine cat and he admits that he isn't entirely sure yet.
Graystripe, implying to like Fireheart, tells him that he'd rather be able to share a den with him
Fireheart didn't catch on and instead jokes that, with how much Graystripe gets into trouble, that he'll be in there more often than not if Fireheart does become a medicine cat
Graystripe is not impressed and goes off to hunt alone. Fireheart is confused on why his friend was hurt, but Graystripe refuses to talk.
After some time, Fireheart realizes that he isn't the only one sneaking out of camp and he decides to investigate, even though he was doing the same thing
There he sees Graystripe hanging out with a RiverClan cat
He confronts them and Graystripe introduces Silverstream
Fireheart scolds the two of them and Graystripe counters back that he's not the only one sneaking off to see someone
Silverstream leaves the two to argue and Fireheart asks what he's talking about.
Graystripe mentions he knows Fireheart has been going near twolegplace. He asks what business he has there.
Fireheart brings up his sister
Graystripe feels awkward now
Next time he sees Princess, he says he'd have to visit less often. Princess understands.
Whitecough is spreading through camp and Fireheart avoids the medicine cat den for the day as he's not sure what he wants to do with his life.
He goes to Bluestar and asks what he should do
Bluestar is confused
He brings up how he told Tigerclaw he was thinking of becoming a medicine cat
She asks if he's being truthful
He isn't sure
She then asks what he wants to do
He's still not sure
Bluestar gives him the option to train as a medicine cat for a couple moons and he can make his choice then
So Fireheart starts his journey as a medicine cat around the same time Bluestar gets sick. Tigerclaw's attempt to kill Bluestar ends with Fireheart almost getting hit by a car, but he manages to stumble over into ShadowClan territory. He gets scolded for doing so.
Some time later we get Cloudkit in ThunderClan. He is made aware of his kittypet origins a lot sooner and Brindleface loves him regardless and her kits defend him from being bullied.
Fireheart helps heal his Clan from whitecough and, while learning herbs, ThunderClan is attacked by rogues. They win and the Brokentail is Yellowfang's son reveal happens
Fireheart confronts Yellowfang about this and the two have a long talk about what happened with her life and how she had kits as a medicine cat
He's sympathetic but then asks why they don't just change the code
She admits she isn't sure
Fireheart promises change
She laughs a bit and says "sure"
Yellowfang is busy so she sends Fireheart to gather herbs and supplies. He brings Sandstorm for help. The two hang out and bond and she apologies for being an ass when he first joined. He accepts her apology.
The two become friends
They return to learn Cloudkit, Ashkit, and Fernkit are missing. They are found by the two adults and scolded.
Fireheart and Sandstorm are like two disappointed parents and Tigerclaw warns Fireheart not to grow too comfortable around Sandstorm or the kits
Fireheart is confused
ThunderClan helps WindClan against River and Shadow, but Fireheart is forced to stay behind, despite his worries for his Clan. Yellowfang shows him how to prepare herbs for after battles
Fire grows sus of Tigerclaw after learning that Graystripe almost died and the deputy did nothing to help. Graystripe is stuck in the medicine cat den and asks Fireheart to please make sure that the tom didn't hurt Silverstream.
Fireheart promises and Graystripe purrs, calling him a good friend before passing out
Fireheart grows more worried, however, about Tigerclaw and wants to ask Ravenpaw more about what happened that day
While Graystripe is recovering, Tigerclaw seems to be watching over the medicine cat den like a hawk. Fireheart doesn't think he'll be able to leave without being noticed and wonders if he'd be able to use his powers
Fireheart stays behind for the gathering as does Tigerclaw, the deputy stating that he doesn't trust Brokentail.
Fireheart uses his powers and travels to the barn. That's when he learns, for the first time, that he can basically create a shared dream space in StarClan for cats to talk, as he accidentally brings Graystripe as he was thinking about him while creating the space.
The three talk and Ravenpaw tells them everything, seemingly still thinking this is a dream.
Fireheart later confirms this is a dream and realizes then that he can physically interact with Ravenpaw here and realizing he's more or less controlling the tom's spirit to be there.
This makes Fireheart worried, but Ravenpaw and Graystripe wake up safely.
Fireheart has Sandstorm help him get Graystripe out of camp for a bit and the three hang out and bond, warming up to each other. Fireheart is becoming aware about these feelings he's having about Sandstorm and tries to ignore them. However, he also thinks about Yellowfang and how silly the rule that medicine cats can't have a mate or kits is, especially since it's not like he'd be the sole parent of the kits.
He realizes he's thinking like this and tries to act like he wasn't imagining a life with him and another cat
Granted he's not sure who the other cat was, but brushes Graystripe off as an option, since the tom has a mate already
Speaking of, Graystripe got them a chance to talk to a cat who had seen the battle - Graypool - and thinks she may know something. They agree to meet her the next day.
Before they go, though. Apprentices. Cinderpaw goes to Sandstorm, Brackenpaw goes to Runningwind, Brightpaw goes to Whitestorm, and Thornpaw goes to Mousefur
The plot where Graypool tells them about Mistyfoot and Stormfur happens as well as Bluestar being dismissive about it remains the same.
Everything goes about the same, minus Fireheart having warrior duties and more him learning how to be a medicine cat and having conflicting feelings about the rule about not being able to have his own family. Also maybe a bit where Brokentail taunts him about the death of Spottedleaf and how ThunderClan needs kittypets to heal them, which he does his best to ignore.
Fireheart agrees to help Graystripe visit RiverClan during the flood under the terms that he's checking if the medicine cat, Mudfur, needs any aid.
They save Mistyfoot's kits and Fireheart agrees to help them while Graystripe aids a hunting patrol. Graystripe returns, but Fireheart is permitted to stay behind.
This is when he learns that Silverstream is pregnant. He's shocked, but keeps her secret. The two talk for a while and he understands why Graystripe would admire her, as she's independent and has a strong heart. While in camp, however, he notices something strange. Like a shadow is following Silverstream wherever she walks that belongs to a much different cat.
Graystripe is still secretly delivering prey and aiding patrols while pretending to check on how Fireheart is doing.
When Fireheart returns, Bluestar has many questions for him and it makes him curious, but he assures his leader that RiverClan will be okay.
Fireheart notices Tigerclaw is visiting near the medicine cat den more often and sees him near Brokentail and is curious on what's going on. He wonders if there's something going on or if Tigerclaw has developed empathy.
There is another attempt on Fireheart's life [the almost drowning], but Longtail saves him and Tigerclaw brushes off what happened and informs Bluestar about the flood
It's revealed at the gathering by Nightstar that ThunderClan has Brokentail and the other Clans are mad
Shadow and Wind invade Thunder, get chased off etc
Cinderpaw is hurt during the fight and Sandstorm uses that as an excuse to visit, despite also being hurt and needing to visit anyway.
Fireheart notices Graystripe leave camp and he excuses himself. He follows and learns Silverstream is having her kits. Sandstorm and Cinderpaw, who followed, are surprised as well.
The group of them come together and help Silverstream, but she's actively dying. Fireheart lays next to her to help keep her warm and uses his powers for the first time in a bit and manages to use his connection to spirits to keep her alive.
Also Tigerclaw arrives on the scene as he wakes up from saving her
Silverstream and her kits are brought into ThunderClan and Graystripe is revealed to be the father.
Goldenflower helps Silverstream take care of the kits while Tigerclaw yells at the small group. Bluestar takes over the situation.
In private she admits to Fireheart that Mistyfoot and Stonefur is her kits and that she hopes Graystripe knows what he's going to do.
Fireheart asks what she thinks should happen but she doesn't answer
Tigerclaw is still mad
Silverstream is not doing great and soon enough needs to be brought back into the medicine cat den
There's talks of sending her home to avoid any tension with RiverClan, especially since Brokentail is still in camp and Crookedstar would be upset if he learned his daughter was so close to a killer
After a couple days and her condition getting worse, Bluestar decides it's time to send her home, especially after Willowpelt announces that she's expecting Whitestorm's kits
A patrol is sent to get RiverClan and Crookedstar brings some of his warriors to pick up his daughter and her kits. Graystripe goes with them, worried over his kits.
A meeting is held as Cloudkit becomes Cloudpaw. Bluestar personally trains him.
One day Fireheart asks permission to have Cloudpaw collect herbs. Bluestar allows this. He brings Cloudpaw to meet his mother, Princess, instead.
Fireheart becomes Yellowfang's official apprentice now, choosing to use his powers to help, but also still keeping up on battle-training as it's helping him calm his nerves.
While Yellowfang and Fireheart are doing some light battle training to keep their skills up and also talk about Fireheart's worries about Tigerclaw when they see Tigerclaw with a group of rogues
The two run back to camp and things go the same with ThunderClan fighting the rogues and Brokentail siding with the rogues
Fireheart gets Sandstorm's help in saving Bluestar and Sandstorm goes feral on Tigerclaw for a moment before the rogues are chased off
Bluestar exiles Tigerclaw. He tries to get cats to join him, but they all say no.
Brokentail is killed and Fireheart is dragged off to the side by Bluestar and she demands him to help her chose a deputy, since she can't choose him.
He chooses Sandstorm
Bluestar trusts him and she announces Sandstorm as her deputy. Sandstorm is shocked but accepts.
ThunderClan begins recovery and Fireheart is worried about Bluestar and Graystripe - the leader being on edge and paranoid and his friend being far away with no news on how he or Silverstream are doing.
Sandstorm visits him that night and the two talk about what happened - Fireheart not mentioning that Bluestar asked him to choose a deputy - until they fall asleep.
Some time passes and Sandstorm is taking over helping the Clan quite well; Whitestorm is proud of her. She does come to Fireheart with some worry over Bluestar and Cloudpaw, but Fireheart comforts her.
Fireheart is personally worried about what Tigerclaw is doing and seeing Bramblekit only makes him worry more. He has that talk with Goldenflower about her kits
When Fireheart heads out, he noticed Sandstorm is frustrated still and he asks what's going on She mentions apprentices ceremonies and how Bluestar brushed her off about it. She expresses both worry and annoyance about this.
The two go talk to Bluestar and Bluestar tells Sandstorm to do the ceremony if she's so worried about it
So Sandstorm does. Ashpaw is apprenticed to Dustpelt and Fernpaw is given to Darkstripe.
Bluestar's mad that Sandstorm actually did that and the Clan is a little confused, but goes with it. It's also at this point that Fireheart realizes that Cloudpaw is missing, as he was busy with so much.
He asks Bluestar and she mentioned sending him off hunting right as Cloudpaw returns with a single piece of prey.
Fireheart is worried
Bluestar later drags Fireheart off to the Moonstone, leaving Sandstorm alone. She vents to Fireheart and reveals he's the only cat she trusts and she's even on edge about Sandstorm.
She asks if he's sure about being a medicine cat, even offering to drop Sandstorm as deputy and give him Cloudpaw, but he's certain.
They are confronted by a WindClan patrol and Fireheart tries to be diplomatic and use him being a medicine cat as an excuse, but WindClan is made and refuses to let them pass.
Bluestar almost gets into a fight but Fireheart almost drags her back home.
The Clan is also angry after they learn what's going on. Except Cloudpaw, who is rather unbothered.
She returns to her den and doesn't seem worried about Cloudpaw. Fireheart is worried about Cloudpaw.
Sandstorm and Fireheart talk to each other about their worries for Bluestar and Fireheart is very supportive of Sandstorm. This helps the deputy relax and she thanks him awkwardly.
The gathering doesn't go great
Things go the same with Whitethroat and Littlecloud and Yellowfang teaches Fireheart about this disease and what to do about it However Bluestar sends the ShadowClan warriors away Sandstorm helps Fireheart escort them
Fireheart explains to the two on what to do and Littlecloud asks a lot of questions. Fireheart gives what answers he can.
Littlecloud asks if he could come see Fireheart for more information and Fireheart, surprised, looks at Sandstorm, who pretends she isn't listening He then agrees
They watch the two leave through a tunnel and Sandstorm becomes a bit worried, admitting she'd never noticed the tunnel before.
She wants to tell Bluestar, but Fireheart has her promise not to, since he wants to help ShadowClan
She hesitates but agrees
Fireheart comes back and notices that Cloudpaw is just being allowed to do whatever and Bluestar isn't really training him. He drags Cloudpaw out to train but Cloudpaw is a brat about it.
Fireheart tries to counter that he originally trained as a warrior, but Cloudpaw still doesn't care
He lets Cloudpaw wander off but follows him in secret, learns he's eating kittypet food, and gets mad. He talks to Sandstorm about this and the two try to talk to him about it, but he honestly does not care what they have to say.
Soon after Fireheart helps Willowpelt give birth and he thinks about Sandstorm
He tries to push these thoughts away, but he has a lot of feelings towards her
Fireheart is training Littlecloud in Littlecloud's dreams and also sneaks to the tunnels to help anyone that is struggling
Sandstorm catches him and scolds him while also helping. Sometimes she even brings Cinderpaw sometimes, though this is less out of willingness and more out of the fact no one's allowed to tell Cinderpaw what to do, not even her deputy mentor.
Sandstorm also quietly mentions that pretty soon there will need to be warrior ceremonies.
They return to learn that Cloudpaw has been missing for a while and Fireheart panics
He uses his power to try to hunt down Cloudpaw but is unable to find him. He wakes up in an even bigger panic and Sandstorm is confused how he increased panic after a sudden nap.
He tells Sandstorm about his powers and she's surprised but promises to keep it a secret. He informs her that Bluestar knows and that, if she asks, tell her what he's doing.
She guards him as he frantically uses his powers to try to find his nephew. He even uses a moment to inform Littlecloud, who can see him naturally now, and the small tabby promises to help keep an eye out.
During one of his wake ups, he learns from Sandstorm that Bluestar and Whitestorm are aware of what's going on - with Whitestorm to a lesser degree as both she and the leader talked vaguely about Fireheart's powers.
She also brings up that cats are starting to whisper about how much time she's spending helping him.
He's confused for a moment but becomes flustered when he remembered how he was thinking of Sandstorm while helping Willowpelt.
He asks if she's upset he became a medicine cat and she says no, but seems to be holding something back
He then asks if it's possible if the two can remain close and she's confused before he elaborates that he likes her a lot but there's not much that can be done. Even then he goes on and adds that he wants there to be a change because he cares about her a lot. She cares for him, too.
They begin secret dating with plans to make their dating not a secret in the future.
Worries and stress grow through the Clan and there's a small point in time that Fireheart has to stop searching for Cloudpaw in order to help the Clan.
Everyone's worried about Bluestar
While grabbing water for the queens and herbs for Yellowfang, he encounters Graystripe and realizes it had been a moment since he thought of his friend and he feels a little guilty
Graystripe talks about Silverstream's condition and how she's still alive but a lot weaker than before. Still, she's kicking and refuses to go down.
Fireheart is happy to hear that and gives Graystripe some herbs to take back to Mudfur to help Silverstream.
the plot with Mousefur and Thornpaw is about the same, though Fireheart comes to help with Runningwind. While the patrol chases away ShadowClan cats, Tigerclaw attacks Fireheart while he's alone and Fireheart fights back
Tigerclaw actively tries to murder Fireheart with the help of rogues, but Graystripe and a RiverClan patrol help and Tigerclaw is chided for trying to harm a medicine cat
The rogues are chased off, Runningwind is buried, Whitethroat is given a proper funeral, and he vents to Yellowfang about Tigerclaw.
After his wounds are taken care of, he casually brings Sandstorm out of camp to get help gathering herbs, except they just cuddle and talk and she expresses her worries to him
Ravenpaw stumbles across them and chooses not to ask questions, instead informing them of a kittypet with a ThunderClan scent
Fireheart is surprised, Sandstorm is cautious, and in the end they decide to go. Fireheart considers using his powers to make sure, but Sandstorm asks what other ThunderClan cat would willingly become a kittypet.
They have a small argument as he doesn't believe it was willing and she does apologize while they travel.
They Cloudpaw rescue goes the same, including the confrontation with the WindClan patrol. WindClan is still mad at ThunderClan, despite Fireheart's best attempts to be reasonable.
The fire also still happens in about the same way, but Fireheart comes out the full medicine cat of ThunderClan and has a Tigerstar child with him
While in RiverClan, Sandstorm is working hard to keep ThunderClan under control and safe.
Fireheart checks with Silverstream and Graystripe and meets Featherkit and Stormkit. Silverstream still isn't doing the best, but Mosspelt is shown to often help take care of the kits when Silverstream's having one of her weaker episodes.
Fireheart is worried about her but Graystripe is confident that she's going to be okay. Fireheart notices the shadow from before does seem weaker.
Fireheart, Sandstorm, and Graystripe go to check on ThunderClan's camp after the rain puts the fire out. Yellowfang is dying and she talks to them before passing away.
Fireheart is not, even more officially, the medicine cat of ThunderClan. Sandstorm expression worry but he comforts her, both as now the sole cat in charge of healing and as her mate.
ThunderClan returns to their territory, Bluestar declares war on StarClan, Sandstorm starts rebuilding ThunderClan's camp, and Fireheart and her worry over Bluestar only grows.
Bluestar refuses to go to the gather and a stressed out Sandstorm takes over, just getting more and more frustrated to the point Fireheart is hardly able to help.
As they talk about their future and what they're going to do, they get to the gathering to find Tigerclaw is now Tigerstar of ShadowClan.
Sandstorm is angry and calls Tigerstar out for the shit he did to ThunderClan. Tigerstar remarks that he's here to make ShadowClan strong and that ThunderClan is made of weak, know it all cowards.
This is a very unpeaceful gathering and it ends early with ThunderClan barely getting through their news without Tigerstar egging Sandstorm on and pissing her off He insults her covering for Bluestar and taunts ThunderClan about Fireheart until they leave.
Sandstorm informs everyone about Tigerstar and Bluestar is absolutely no help in the situation, confiding her worries into Fireheart and once more making another offer to make him deputy.
Fireheart misses Yellowfang and isn't sure what to do in this situation, still denying the role.
Time passes and ShadowClan is quiet. There is some worry over dogs, so Sandstorm sends a couple patrols at her former mentor's request to soothe any troubled minds.
Fireheart and Sandstorm learn from Graystripe that Crookedstar's unwell and Leopardfur is taking charge of RiverClan. He also brings up how Silverstream is at least healthy enough for short patrols.
That night, Fireheart has a dream and hears the words 'pack, pack, kill, kill'
Worried for Silverstream, he goes to check on her as a spirit only to be confronted by the shadow of a molly who seems to be weakened greatly.
She hisses and attacks him and he's surprised to find that he's actually hurt, causing him to realize that she's a ghost
She's angry that Silverstream is alive and tries to attack him again, seeing it as his fault - also vowing to "get rid of her little scraps with her".
Fireheart manages to chase her off
He returns and is overwhelmed with everything that just happened.
He hears the mentors talking about their apprentices and Sandstorm agrees that they should be made warriors. She's tired of waiting for Bluestar and admits she's tempted to do the warriors ceremony without the leader.
The other cats are in agreement.
He is drawn to the medicine cat den by the sound of Snowkit getting hurt. The whole confrontation with Snowkit happens and Fireheart decides to watch over the kit.
He goes for the medicine cat meeting and learns what all is going on in ShadowClan. That night he spends the time trying to figure things out by himself, but does talk to Yellowfang and Spottedleaf for a bit for their feelings on the matter.
While out gathering herbs, he comes across Sandstorm who came across Princess and stops Sandstorm from smacking his sister by revealing that she's his family
Sandstorm is understanding
They learn that dogs are missing and on their way home, they pass RiverClan and learn that Tigerstar is manipulating Leopardfur and that Graypool is missing
Graypool's death happens
After he returns he also learns Snowkit is deaf. Bluestar does not like this and Speckletail does not like Bluestar. Sandstorm currently also doesn't like Bluestar.
Speckletail and Brackenfur work together to try to train Snowkit with express permission from Sandstorm
Fireheart overhears talks about dogs and learns they found dog scent at Snakerocks. He also overhears Sandstorm and Bluestar's very vocal fight about this and starts heading to the nursery to get away from it when the hawk comes
He makes a made dash to Snowkit and gets hurt as he's almost grabbed by the hawk.
Bluestar is angry at Fireheart being reckless and shows this is more of a sign that StarClan wants to fight ThunderClan.
Fireheart is hurt and needs medical attention but is also ThunderClan's only medicine cat Still, he aids Sandstorm in calming cats down
He gets help from Sandstorm, Brackenfur, and Cinderpaw. They help patch him up, help Snowkit calm down, and he thanks them, joking that they'd be good medicine cats.
Sandstorm scuffs his ear for being an idiot
That gathering that Bluestar leads goes about the same and Sandstorm has to do damage control.
Fireheart learns from Sandstorm that Bluestar wants to start a war with WindClan. They agree on a plan to fake a sign for Bluestar and then just politely ask Tallstar to talk things out.
While they're getting ready, they spot Darkstripe with Goldenflower's kits outside of camp and Sandstorm goes off on him. She bans him from being near the kits and leads them back to camp. Fireheart goes off without her.
He gets Tallstar, makes a sign for Bluestar, and they go for a peaceful meeting.
The meeting is pleasant, but afterwards Bluestar goes off on Fireheart and Sandstorm and warns them that there will be no more treachery like that Sandstorm tries to argue, but Fireheart becomes actually worried for her safety and stops her
Bluestar goes missing for a bit, having gone to Highstones, and comes back with news about her time there and mentions the pack thing.
During one leaffall day, Swiftpaw comes running in from a patrol and mentions how RiverClan attacked a border patrol. Fireheart gathers his supplies and runs to go help.
Sandstorm is unable to stop him.
He comes in time to see Mistyfoot and Stonefur about to kill Bluestar and he stops them. They're confused and confrontational about a medicine cat being on the front lines.
Fireheart reveals that Bluestar's their mother. They don't believe him.
He is then almost thrown by Leopardstar, who is stopped by the warriors, warning her that he's a medicine cat. Leopardstar implies he's an idiot for being in the way of dangers and threatens him harm, only to be chided by her deputy, Stonefur.
RiverClan gets driven away
Fireheart helps cats with their injuries on the way back.
Bluestar holds a warriors ceremony. But only for Cloudpaw. Who is now Cloudtail.
The mentors are angry but she refuses to listen. Sandstorm goes to yell at her for a bit.
While this is going on, Swiftpaw storms out of camp with Cinderpaw, Brightpaw, and Brackenpaw behind him. Brackenpaw s trying to convince them to stop and Cinderpaw was on her brother's side until Swiftpaw made some good points.
Brackenpaw eventually falls back and goes to warn his Clanmates.
Fireheart watches in worry as Sandstorm, Whitestorm, Longtail, and Cloudtail go out to find them.
It takes a while, but they come back injured with three equally injured and scared apprentices. Fireheart tends to their wounds, stressing out greatly over Swiftpaw, who is the most injured. He's worried the apprentice won't make it through the night.
Sandstorm takes over the situation again and decides to hold proper warrior ceremonies, stating that this shouldn't have happened and expressing her disappointment in Bluestar quite loudly.
She makes the apprentices warriors; Cinderstorm, Brightsong, Brackenheart, Thornclaw, and Swiftstrike. She also goes on to make herself Tawnykit - now Tawnypaw's - mentor, has Cinderstorm mentor Bramblepaw, and has Brackenheart mentor Snowpaw - with help from Speckletail.
Bluestar is absolutely outraged and confronts her at the Clan meeting.
Sandstorm isn't having Bluestar's bs.
Bluestar than proceeds to demote Sandstorm and forces Fireheart to play the role of both deputy and medicine cat.
Everyone is confused and concerned, especially Fireheart, who has enough shit going on.
Fireheart spends his time taking care of the injured cats while trying to keep Bluestar calm and also doing what he can as deputy - while just doing what Whitestorm and Sandstorm tell him what to say and do as deputy.
He is overworked
He's still dragged off to the gathering, too, where he looks and feels terrible. He learns Graystripe's kits are apprentices and Tigerstar tries to get custody of his kits.
Bluestar's tempted but Fireheart manages to reason with her
Fireheart is taken away from camp for a bit by Cloudtail, Sandstorm, and Brightsong under the lie to their leader of a patrol. They meet Princess and she is worried.
The meeting with Princess happens and Fireheart passes out the moment he's in the medicine cat den.
He wakes up to Longtail, who expresses worry about dogs in the territory. He only agrees to go with him if he can take Sandstorm and Whitestorm. Longtail agrees and is surprisingly understanding.
Fireheart and Sandstorm take some time alone to be together and just breathe. They're mildly affectionate and she tells him to send patrols this way.
He promises she'll be deputy again
Brindleface death reveal goes about the same
Fireheart teams up with the Clan to make a plan to lead the dogs away from camp and eventually steps back as Sandstorm takes control and lets her be deputy.
He catches Darkstripe again with Goldenflower's kits and Whitestorm keeps a close eye on them.
Fireheart is on the sidelines, ready to help in case something goes bad.
Everything goes okay until the dogs scent him instead of their next target - thanks to Tigerclaw - and Fireheart is forced to flee from the dogs until Bluestar saves his life and gets him out of danger.
The dogs get chased over the edge and Bluestar dies.
The first thing he does is give Sandstorm back her proper place and she's ready to become leader of ThunderClan.
Bluestar is brought back to camp, the funeral, Mistyfoot and Stonefur go back to RiverClan, Sandstorm is announced as the new leader, and Fireheart joins Sandstorm on their trip to the Highstones.
While there they talk about talking to StarClan about their relationship and Sandstorm assures that she has a plan.
Fireheart is confident in her.
Sandstorm becomes Sandstar and gains lives from Lionheart, Redtail, Rosetail, Runningwind, Brindleface, Sunstar, Yellowfang, Spottedleaf, and Bluestar.
Immediately after, now a leader, she states loudly that Fireheart is her mate and she's going to get rid of the rule that they're not allowed to be together because of his role in the Clan
Fireheart is a lot less confident
Surprisingly, however, a lot of the cats are on Sandstar's side. Especially Yellowfang. They agree to talk this over and remind Sandstar that 'leader's word is law'.
After they wake up, Sandstar's very proud of how that turned out while Fireheart's still in shock. She asks him to be her mate, officially this time. He agrees.
They spend the night at Ravenpaw and Barley's and Sandstar and Fireheart have the same horrible dream. When they wake up they make quick goodbyes and hurry back to camp.
The first thing Sandstorm does when she arrives at camp is make some announcements; She names Longtail as her deputy, she announces that ThunderClan will allow medicine cats to take mates - and implies she and Fireheart are together - and tells ThunderClan that they need to prepare for whatever Tigerstar does next.
ThunderClan is a bit mixed about that second message, but they're pretty okay with everything else.
Fireheart expresses to Cinderstorm his concerns about her apprentoce and the warrior counters him, saying that Bramblepaw is a proud young warrior.
He apologizes.
Sorrelkit almost dies and Fireheart saves her. Darkstripe is cornered and forced to admit his crimes before being immediately exiled. Fernpaw's new mentor is Longtail and Longtail does not defend Darkstripe or his actions
There is worries about rogues in the territory and that night Fireheart wanders as a spirit and discovers BloodClan for the first time
He is shaken awake by his own shock
While visiting Graystripe, Fireheart learns more about what's going on in RiverClan and there's genuine worry about the safety of him and Silverstream. Silverstream has fully recovered and has been trying to reason with Leopardstar.
Fireheart brings this news to Sandstar and Sandstar's ready to start a fight with Tigerstar
Tigerstar fails to bring ThunderClan and WindClan into TigerClan and Sandstar goes off on him and Leopardstar She even calls Leopardstar a coward for allowing this tom anywhere near her Clan
Sandstar goes off on her own for a bit to clear her head and Fireheart takes this moment to check on the apprentices and see how they're doing
They could be doing better, especially Tawnypaw and Bramblepaw
Sandstar comes back and vaguely mentions a vision but doesn't go into details.
Ravenpaw had been on his way to pay his respects and check on his old Clanmates when he had stumbled across Silverstream who begged for help in RiverClan
Fireheart, Sandstar, Ravenpaw, and Silverstream go to RiverClan to see what's up
Mistyfoot, Stonefur, Featherpaw, and Stormpaw are in danger. Graystripe is also in danger, but is being held apart from them. Stonefur almost dies when Graystripe breaks out of his containment and helps Stonefur fight Darkstripe and then Blackfoot.
While this fight is going on, the guard for the other prisoners is distracted and the three other halfClan cats are rescued
Sandstar is about to have them go back for Graystripe and Stonefur when they realize that Graystripe is down and Stonefur is about to die next
Leopardstar is unable to watch this anymore and asks for the chance to talk to her deputy
Tigerstar is skeptical but allows this
Leopardstar proceeds to let Stonefur run away [reason being that she was still heavily bothered by Sandstar's words and the drawn out death was getting to her]
Stonefur is badly injured, but the ThunderClan rescue patrol manages to help him
Silverstream is distraught over the loss of her mate and the apprentices are shocked to hear their father is dead
They also learn, after returning, that Tawnypaw ran off while they were gone and no one knows where she is
Ravenpaw tries to help them find her, but parts ways when they can't, promising to keep an eye out for her.
While they're trying to help the RiverClan cats settle - Mudclaw arrives with the news that ShadowClan specifically has attacked WindClan
Fireheart stays behind, but sends Sandstar and her cats off with herbs for those wounded
After a moment, Longtail is sent back to grab Fireheart to help the wounded WindClan warriors. Fireheart follows and is horrified at the sight of what happened to WindClan.
Sandstar decides to confront Tigerstar once and for all next chance she gets and spends the night with Fireheart to soothe her mind
At the meeting, Tallstar and Sandstar both formally reject Tigerstar's offer once again, Tawnypaw's location in ShadowClan is revealed, Bramblepaw stays firmly right next to Cinderstorm - who is a good mentor to him, and BloodClan arrives.
Fireheart reveals to Sandstar he had seen these cats before when he had been looking for the rogues that had been a problem
Scourge, the leader of BloodClan, publicly and horrifically murders Tigerstar, is hostile to the Clans, and gives the Clan a short amount of time to decide if they're going to live or die
Barely able to comprehend what just happened, ThunderClan prepares for what's about to come and Sandstar begs Fireheart to not do anything rash and stupid
He tries his best to promise, but he himself knows that that's a big promise to need to keep
Ravenpaw and Barley join to help the fight
Fireheart and Cloudtail also go to warn Princess about BloodClan to make sure she's safe
Sandstar has another dream and brings Fireheart, Longtail, and the sheltered RiverClan cats along to try to be diplomatic with RiverClan and ShadowClan
They are brought to Fourtrees and the lot of them talk it out. Sandstar, though through some rather 'tough love' means, manages to spark inspiration in Leopardstar and Blackfoot. Leopardstar also formally apologizes to Mistyfoot, Silverstream, Stonefur, Featherpaw, and Stormpaw.
Most of them accept the apology and Leopardstar is understanding about it
She also takes a brief moment to thank Sandstar, but keeps it short and simple and follows it up with RiverClan agreeing to help
Blackfoot isn't here for that mushy stuff and just agrees
Also they learn why Tawnypaw left. She decides to stay in ShadowClan.
Speckletail and current queens are left in charge of camp, as well as Swiftstrike, who wants to tear apart any cat who gets past the Clans' defenses
They go and the battle against BloodClan begins
Whitestorm is still killed by Bone, the apprentices kill Bone, Longtail is almost killed but is saved by Fireheart [and then scolded by the deputy], and while Fireheart retreats to a safe distance, he is almost killed by Scourge
The small cat is about to absolutely obliterate him when Sandstar saves his life and throws Scourge off of him
He watches as Scourge turns and Sandstar loses her first life
Shocked, he runs at Scourge and fights the tom. Sandstar comes back to life as Fireheart kills the BloodClan leader.
BloodClan is chased from the forest
Some other deaths to note; Thornclaw is killed in the battle and Mistyfoot dies of infected wounds days after
And that ends TPB
For some after notes;
Squirrelflight and Leafpool are probably born a sooner than they were in canon and Leaf gets mentored by her father.
Bramblepaw gets the warrior name Brambleflower, more in honor of his mother than ever thinking about his father. Brambleflower likes this. Tawnypaw still becomes Tawnypelt.
Snowpaw becomes Snowtail, Ashpaw becomes Ashfur, and Fernpaw becomes Ferncloud.
Sorrelkit, Rainkit, and Sootkit become Sorreltail, Rainwhisker, and Sootfur
The other Clans are skeptical about the fact that ThunderClan's leader is openly with their medicine cat, but there's only snide remarks at gatherings and no proper confrontation
Snowtail and Ferncloud get together and Ferncloud helps cats learn kitty sign language and helps translate things for her mate
Brightsong and Cloudtail still get together
Swiftstrike and Dustpelt get together and can butt heads on certain issues, but still love each other
Sorreltail and Brackenheart still get together
Cinderstorm gets with the kittypet, Cody, who joins ThunderClan and the two are a happy couple. Cody is a permaqueen and that's an okay and valid thing to do.
This is about as much as I got-
Also Fireheart s 100% aware of his daughter's relationship to Crowfeather and is okay with it as long as he makes her happy
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leporellian · 3 years ago
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a starless clan predictions/thoughts
ok now that we know the first 2 book blurbs and frostpaw's personality i'm gonna shoot for predictions. note that given how batshit the erins can be i'm essentially shooting a bullet into lake michigan and hoping i hit a fish but here we go
- frost-as is going to carry this arc. i love her sm <333 can't wait for them to throw her through the fucking gutter
- anyway i think mistystar reedwhisker and mothwing will all die. we know this. we can all just feel it. but i think the operant here is How, and my vote for How is that there's some kind of illness running through riverclan. purpose of this will be to a) get rid of some bg characters the erins had no use for and b) the erins Know we all expected rabies arc with the last set of books.
- although can we all be so fucking glad there was no rabies pandemic arc in the last arc given current events. bullet dodge of the century.
- i totally think mothwing would resent frostpaw a little bit or at least be deeply concerned for her future. until moth dies. anyway
- n e way i think they'll also maybe use the illness to curb down another leader who hasn't lost many lives yet? not bramblestar though because he's the erins' little pet unfortunately
- fidgetflake will train frostpaw after moth's death but he probably will only be like, a mid-tier mentor. this is also how we'll get a look at skyclan bc god forbid we leave them alone for like 5 mins
- not that i'm complaining they're fun. i hope rootspring stays tf away because we all know he's going to just be the 'my dead gf' guy
- HUGELY LOOKING FORWARD TO FROSTPAW SHADOWSIGHT BOND.... i can FEEL shadowsight will still have some kinda involvement but he'll take a backseat ofc compared to tbc
- anyway frostpaw is totally going to be in a runningnose situation and its great they're gonna wreck this child's psyche so hard
- flamepaw. hm.
- i ONLY care abt him if they don't pull an alderheart and instead make him... sort of an antihero dequilent type? would be mad cool if they remembered he looks more like scourge than firestar and did something with that.
- if they made him the outright villain that would be kickass but they won't. bets its gonna be a riverclan rando or some rogue. i'd be interested if it was a riverclan rando at least, or even if there were multiple villains ala the tigerstar-brokenstar duumvirate from tpb
- or even a civil war scenario like mudclaw... cats vying for power... maybe one or two cats who are either 'genuinely wants the best for clan but isn't going about it the right way' mudclaw-style or Straight Up Classic Villain and are trying to remove frostpaw from power... or a belief divide in riverclan...
- WAIT I GOT IT. THE DEATH OF STALIN WITH CATS. YESSSSSS.
- also side note but i hope curlfeather is like 100% soccer mom energy
- i literally can't find it in me to care abt sunbeam i know she is our first true background character protag but like... why would i care. erins what is the pitch here.
- i hope they never acknowledge needletail is her half-sister or whatever because i'm sorry that would set up a boring plot and the sooner we forget most of avos the better
- oh well if flamepaw and sunbeam suck ass at least frostpaw is shaping up to be a character of all time
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I get this issue comes up a lot with family trees and warrior cats, but I personally feel really bothered that the solution to fix messy family trees it is by making characters adopted. I feel like it suggests that the adopted character is not in the family the same way as their siblings, or basically 'don't count'. If Willow is adopted by Rose, then she's Rose's daughter and Thistle's niece. Even if he was distant or uninvolved, she'd surely have grown up knowing him as her mother's brother. I just don't see why you can't just introduce OC's to be Willow's parents if you want to keep Willow and Thistle as Dark's parents, or even make Rose and Thistle not siblings in your rewrite if you still want to keep Rose as Willow's mother. I really don't want this to come off as an attack or anything btw, I'm admittedly just quite bothered by this work around you went for.
i knew someone would bring this up, and i mostly agree IF
this was like any other series besides warrior cats where adding fresh blood wasn't so limited
and IF this was a series/cat society that labeled kin past siblings and parents sooooooometimes aunts and uncles and SOMETIMES grandparents
also if someone's doing it like left and right then i'm like "ehh" but in my re-write it's literally only happened 3 times now
and in any form of adoption in my rewrite, adopted kits are very obviously seen as that cat's/those cats' kit and their littermates siblings, so much so that cats don't trust runningnose for a bit BECAUSE he was brokenstar's (adopted) brother
the only ones that DON'T recognize it are specifically assholes and villains, like thistleclaw, thistleclaw becoming mates with willowpelt is SUPPOSED to be creepy, it's SUPPOSED to rub you the wrong way, because thistleclaw is a villain, things he does are supposed to feel unsettling
and as for the whitestorm thing, again, "adopted cousins" aren't like a thing in the warrior cats universe, past parents and siblings (and in my rewrite, grandparents and older ancestors), adopted cats don't view their adopted littermates' cousins as their own cousins or vice versa, UNLESS it's like very specifically an example where they do, but it's more like a sibling bond like if all of them grew up side by side at the exact same time and were raised as close kin, kinda like if two siblings have kids at the same time and they basically raise their kids together as siblings, but it never happens in my rewrite, NOT TO MENTION whitestorm basically disowns his father and doesn't like acknowledging that he is his son
there's also plenty, pleeeeeenty of examples of adoption in my re-write that aren't just so a ship won't be like cousins or whatever, so it's not like adoption is only ever a thing that's used as a tool to make couples
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Agree 100% with the Rainflower and Lizardstripe takes!
It disturbs me when people defend Rainflower because she wasn't JUST a shitty mom-she was SPECIFICALLY an ABLEIST abusive mom. That book hit way too close to home for me as an autistic person whose parents couldn't accept that. Yes, the books are misogynistic as hell, I don't deny that! But there's no shortage of other misogynistic character derailments we could focus on more. Squilf being lied to about being infertile, as though fertility makes you a good person; the double standard that male leaders like Firestar are allowed to have kits while in power, but Bluster had to give hers up; the double standard that female medicine cats can't have kits, but Mudfur becomes a medicine cat after having his kits. There's plenty of infuriating instances of misogyny we can talk about, there's no reason to defend the character who is CANONICALLY ABLEIST AND ABUSES HER DISABLED SON!!!!
As for Lizardstripe I have mixed feelings. I love her rant about how she doesn't want kits because she wants to devote her life to her clan, because I'm childfree myself and relate so hard, and how she points out the double standard of how toms don't have to give anything up when they have kids. (And I fucking HATE Hollyflower for saying "it's every queen's duty to have kits for her clan" *vomits*) But at the end of the day, she's still an abusive mom; even if Brokenstar was always destined to be evil, Runningnose's anxiety would probably not have been as bad if he had a better upbringing. Then again, I love Beatrice Horseman (though to be clear I would NEVER defend her actions towards Bojack, she was better off never having him), but mostly because she's such a complex character with such a sad backstory and interesting motives. If Lizardstripe were more fleshed out rather than just "angry kitty", I'd probably be more comfortable defending her.
(This could also just be because I DESPISE Yellowfang's Secret in general. Why does Yellow need a power?! Can't she just be disgusted by violence and devote herself to healing instead? And they straight up copied and pasted a chapter from Secrets of the Clans but changed it to be in the third person, which is some next level laziness LMAO)
Mapleshade, however, is a queen who deserved better and I have no problem giving her all the excuses. (Well Frecklewish didn't deserve to die, but her other victims totally did LMAO)
Something about warriors fandom being apologists for female abusers / villains (Lizardstripe, Mapleshade, Rainflower, Curlfeather) doesn’t sit right with me. I hate the implications that female characters can’t be complex and have to be soft
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bonefall · 1 year ago
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what are your favorite relationships in BB? doesn’t have to be romantic, could be friends, family, mentor-apprentice, etc.
I have a big soft spot for the mentorships. They're so neglected in canon that I really get to decide whatever I want it to be, and when I shuffle apprentices I'm always trying to do matchups that are particularly interesting.
But there's also romantic and familial bonds that do it for me. Scattershot;
Honeysnake and Briarlight They've grown on me super quickly. Honeyfern's Honor Title for surviving the adder bite, the drama she gets in when her sister starts dating her ex, becoming the mentor of the kitten she saved, their final interaction before the Great Battle. I think it's a powerful thing.
Brokenstar and Runningnose sir this is my emotional support evil ambiguously gay couple. "Soooo Brokenstar what's your situation with Runningnose?" "planning the demise of windclan" "yes but are you an item" "perhaps, long ago, but now i have come to learn i am a force of great revenge" "do you kiss" "i bite"
Fallenleaf and Cinderheart Something about Cinderheart trying to have a life without her, and finding the color drained from it. Fallenleaf spending another lifetime enacting horrible tyranny, but unable to communicate the horror of her reign. Someone who is loyal and devoted to you, when you feel like you don't deserve it. A fresh god and her first priestess.
HareHeatherBreeze Ex-villain going through a housewife arc and his ambitious husband and wife
Pinestar and Speckletail, Mudfur and Leopardstar, Tallstar and Flytail, Cloudtail/Ferncloud and Ashfur This dynamic is cool ranch doritoes to me, I can't stop. "Little person I was trusted with raising, kitten I loved, where have you gone? How could I have helped you? I did my best and it was still the wrong thing!" It's versatile, too. Pine perfectly mentored Speckle, but his mind is changing on that being a good thing. Mudfur realizes he should have left Leopard and Carp with their mother in that kittypet home. Tallstar created his greatest rival for deputyship. Cloud and Fern wonder if there was a sign they ignored. Love it love it love it
Dustpelt and his kids Dad who makes you hold the flashlight as he looks under the car energy.
Hawkfrost and Ivypool "I was recruited by a demon who was meant to be my mentor, but slowly I'm realizing that I'm growing older and he looks younger and younger. He's practically a child and he's being used by his father just as much as me by mine. Oh god, we're fools being lead around by fools"
Frostfur and Everyone Be it her and her mentor Bluestar, or how she can connect with Dustpelt when he makes mistakes, or how she comforts her daughter when she's attacked by dogs, I just really appreciate her.
Cinderpelt and Littlecloud BESTIES in two different Clans, their friendship is just so much fun. "Why is Littlecloud here" "He's checking my leech setup" "Why is Cinderpelt here" "She's checking my leech setup :)"
Swansong and Mistystar They didn't take all of her siblings from her, because they refused to acknowledge he's her brother. That was a mistake; she's got the most loyal sibling a person could ever ask for, he'll fight and die by her side if she gives the word. A good brother helps you hide the body <3
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runn1ngn0se · 1 year ago
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sorry but i cant avoid giggling when im scrolling in a wc design blog and i see an ask "can you draw runningnose" and see your username. its funny idk why. youre seem to really really like runningnose
also ik this has probably been asked yet but any particular reason you like him so much? or is he just a silly guy
I could go on for hours if I was allowed to, but this one post I wrote a while ago is a decent starting point
If I had to sum it up: He's a character conceived entirely for a one line joke, but in putting him into the world, they began having to take him more and more seriously and eventually ended up making him into a shockingly tragic character who went went through so much wild and traumatizing shit.
Tell me that the description "He's a doctor who can't cure his own cold, and he had to treat dying child soldiers" doesn't give you whiplash.
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violentshine · 3 years ago
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thinking about the fire kin au (i still need a proper name for this) & how horrible life is in Shadowclan
So to put it simply, life fucking sucks in Shadowclan unless you're Brokenstar or just... strong
Every cat has to do something, no matter what. Pregnant? Don't expect to be in the nursery unless you're actively giving birth or nursing. Can't hunt due to old bones? Get out. Brokenstar has no tolerance for cats who "lounge all day" Injured or sick? Better pray you aren't nest ridden.
Speaking about the sick & injured, since some cats can't fight due to it, Runningnose is responsible for hunting for the cats in his care. And there are a lot of injured cats in Shadowclan. He is also solely responsible for gathering herbs, but having so many cats who need treatment, and having the hunt for most of them, it's difficult to build stock.
Fights break out frequently in Shadowclan. Whether its over a piece of prey, a nest, or any reason at all (mostly due to the lack of the former things). There is no prey pile, if you want to eat, cats are expected to eat their catch. And eat it quickly because if a hungry cat sees you, they can fight you for it.
Dens are just dens now, there's no apprentice den or warriors den, sleep where you can if you can. Only Brokenstar and Runningnose have their own dens, and maybeee the nursery ? But it doesn't get used very often since kittens are taken out at around 3 moons and many cats aren't looking forward to starting a life. Dens are also not reinforced, if rain leaks through then cats affected just move to a drier place.
However, since there's been many cats going hungry (and maybe even Brokenstar himself), Brokenstar has started a system.
Since Shadowclan is in need of more warriors, any warrior who brings in someone, is guaranteed to prey.
The more the merrier. It's the reason for why cats go into Twolegplace so often to snatch up kits or even older cats (except the elderly). Passing rouges are also targeted (if not kits, then the prey they catch).
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morningmask27 · 3 years ago
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I know you wanted variety in aus but my head is full of these cats.. You don't need to elaborate on this one if you don't want to, I'm just sharing, but imagine Yellowfang runs away with Brokenkit au. Like, fuck it, I'm your mom and dad (bigender Yellowfang?) and I'm not gonna give you the chance to become the menace to the clans that Starclan claims you'll be. You'll grow up in peace my son.
I just think that would be nice
in this au Yellowfang would take Brokenkit with her and the two would become kittypets. Yellowfang can't really bring herself to trust twolegs, but it's safer than being a loner or a rogue while taking care of a young kit.
they would be inside cats and spayed/neutered (okay no, brokey had one litter of kits before he got neutered) and they would live happily together (Brokey is named Henry, Yellow's name is Marguerite). henry and marguerite just live happy and peaceful lives it is a bit difficult for shadowclan because they don’t have a healer (they have to get help from windclan who sends barkface over, things are pretty tanse and poor runningpaw is getting a speedtraining and still gets named runningnose(poor man))
starclan still wants shadowclan to be all broken and sad for tigerclawstar to take over and be the real revenge for having banished skyclan all those moons ago. and raggedstar is angy so he gets with foxheart and they have a litter of kits(honestly it’s also very unpleasant for foxheart to be raggedstar’s posessionmate) one of these kits does the same deal of killing raggedstar and becoming leader, thicketstar, but this time they didn’t want any of it to happen, they were just pestered by starclan the entire time to do what they did. 
so they become leader, they are told by starclan to drive out windclan, to train kittens, ... all the atrocities that brokenstar would do, they do so, but they do the bare minimum. kits are apprenticed at 4 moons, but they aren’t thaught how to do vicious battle training before they get older, these apprentices also never go out to fight. so many of the kits that died because of brokenstar never died. volepaw, mosspaw, mintkit, marigoldkit, blossomkit, swampkit, badgerfang and all the others survive 
but eventually the other clans are done with shadowclan’s constant pestering (probably because they sent clawface to get some thunderclan kits and killed spottedleaf in the confusion) and thunderclan kicks thicketstar out. firepaw is with them. firepaw ressembles thicket quite a lot in appearance (henry had some kits remember) and firepaw feels weirdly connected to shadowclan bref runningnose is sent to train an apprentice asap, he takes cinderkit and she becomes thunderclan’s healer, later when barkface comes back running and bark train cinderpaw before making her a full healer (it’s bonding time babey)
some of the more vile cats (brokenstar’s canon followers) flee shadowclan with him and now there’s a power vacuum. sadly if thicket tries to return to shadowclan they’ll get thoroughly stripped of their life and shadowclan might get completely stripped of its existence so they play it cool. their followers aren’t very happy with their insistence on giving up the lives and leaving the clans alone so they force thicket to stay with them and they do the battling and when tigerclaw uses the cats to throw a coup they help him. tigerclaw is banished, but thicket stays and begs fireheart to let them stay. fireheart agrees because come one, this man isn’t going to chase away his great uncle (after some genealogy tracing they realise that nutmeg, fireheart’s mother, is henry’s kit and thus the two are related) 
bref tigerclaw goes to shadowclan and also after nightstar dies due to a shortage of lives because the other leader is still there tigerstar becomes leader (but he doesn’t have any extre lives this time) the tigerstar stuff still happens like in canon, the dogs get some bites on swiftpaw and brightpaw, he fire (but since yellow isn’t there and cinder din’t get hurt by the monster because well she didn’t have a reason to go there cinder follows fire and gets her leg seriously injured. mudfur and barkface team up to help her heal properly, but they have to amputate the leg because of how messed up it is. bref this doesn’t change anything about cinder’s quality of life she’s still doing her thing.)
anyways. bloodclan, yada yada scourge kills tigerstar, everyone realises that he only had one life, hah. and blackfoot also gets killed. so shadowclan has yet ANOTHER power vacuum and thicket is tasked with taking back shadowclan’s leadership. they don’t want to after everything that happened and name someone else deputy before giving up the lives they still had left and retiring in thunderclan, and being fun family for firestar and his lineage 
also smudge is the one to recreate skyclan and he becomes smudgestar, the end;
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everybody-loves-purdy · 2 years ago
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I'm kinda wanting my AU's Brokenstar to stay alive much longer than in canon. Apologies if some details are wrong or sound weird I can't exactly remember what happens in each book.
I was thinking "Oh, maybe when Snowkit gets taken away by the hawk, perhaps he could get dropped in Shadowclan territory and a patrol finds him and brings him to camp." And my au's Brokenstar's first reaction is to keep the kit, maybe naming him Hawkkit or Skykit or something. And there are maybe some that think he can't be a warrior but they get a death stare. So Brokenstar starts to think of how to communicate with the kit and with Yellowfang(I'm thinking she's still here), Runningnose and others, they make a sort of sign language using their tails, facial expressions, and gestures. And Brokenstar starts to really care about and get attached to this kit that came from the sky. He becomes an apprentice(maybe to Brokenstar, maybe not) and takes a bit longer to train, but eventually he can go to his first Gathering, probably just a bit later than a normal apprentice would go. Whatever the case, the kit is really attached to Brokenstar, seeing him as at least a family member.
Now, it could happen that some in Thunderclan at the Gathering recognize "Snowkit" or it could be a case similar to Stonefur and Mistyfoot where no one recognizes him, not sure which to go with.
Ooh, or maybe Speckletail is there and recognizes her long lost kit. And with the whole fiasco that happened several moons ago where Brokenstar stole kits from other clans thinking he was doing the best thing (he returned them unharmed, but a lot of the cats, especially the parents, haven't forgiven him, obviously), some think perhaps he stole Snowkit and demand he be returned to Thunderclan.
And there's a whole dilemma of "Oh did Brokenstar steal this kit? Where does "Snowkit/Hawkpaw/Skypaw" want to go? What about Speckletail's feelings? Would Thunderclan actually treat him properly? How is Brokenstar feeling after really coming to care for this young cat and potentially losing him?"
Oh and I'm thinking Tigerstar is still very much an issue, I just need to iron out details. Sorry if none of this makes sense XD
(Also there's kind of the possible plot hole that Snowkit most likely smelled like Thunderclan, unless, I don't know, he fell in a patch of garlic???)
I'm trying to get across that this Brokenstar has definitely done some wrong things, but he's not really "evil". It's a lot of "well intentioned, VERY poorly executed". Will he go to the Dark Forest? Who knows.
Also, what do you think would fit better as Snowkit's new name in Shadowclan? Hawkkit, or Skykit? Or maybe you have a better suggestion?
Sorry for the long wall of text XD
This is great. Imagine if Speckletail was at the gathering and instantly recognised him then the rest of ThunderClan are like “oh poor dear she’s still grieving” until the pins drops with someone that she is actually right.
Maybe with the smell thing he landed in a marshy patch or something, and that way also his landing could be broken, he just ends up absolutely coated in mud.
I personally am leaning a bit more towards Skykit since it would match his appearance better, but Hawkkit would be a very metal name.
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