#but he cheated on Penelope!

[athamad]

I was in a tiktok comment section like "l love Odysseus sm l wanna eat and gobble him up" and this mf comes out of nowhere like "B-b-b-b-but! But he's a narcissistic egoistic war criminal adulterer! " Like first of all; no he isn't read that book again, and second; IDC HOMIE he can commit manslaughter and say he was feeling a little silly and l will STILL defend and love him till the end, period. I love my crime lovin dilf ok? Give me a break 🙄

[aq2003]

has anyone gotten the idea that odysseus' storyline in hades 2 is a depiction/exploration of trauma over his SA and how he's blaming himself for things that were out of his control? because that's the impression i'm getting from what i've seen. he talks about "goddesses" as his "greatest weakness" and that "he's not one to say no to them"...

when mel invites him to the bath, he brings up mortals having different standards for intimacy than gods and how it usually has a more romantic/sexual connotation. she then asks if he's uncomfortable and he has a startled reaction and brings up circe and calypso again (but never actually by name)

(this isn't ship/romance bait btw. odysseus knew mel as a kid and they're stated in-game to have a sibling/uncle-niece relationship)

also he grew apart from penelope after his return, but the game makes a point of showing that his love for penelope and telemachus is what drove him on at all so that element of his character isn't brought into question

[australet789]

Calypso, baby, im so sorry people can't understand the nuance of your character being a an antagonist and 100% raping someone just because they want to justify liking you, and instead, ignore that men SA exists and try to claim they are cheaters

(and for the record, is canon that Odysseus told Penelope what happened to both Circe and Calypso and she understood and literally said "dont blame yourself for something you were forced to you" so suck it up)

[deobispresent]

Colin about to teach Penelope all the ways she can woo men— moreso, woo him specifically. The galaxy brain on this man—

[backpackingspace]

I am once again thinking about how odysseus who witnessed the horrors that the captured women went through (one of his main duties in the iliad was taking the women back home and making sure they were as comfortable as possible and safe because he was the only one trusted not to violate them further due to his devotion to penelope. And in the odyssey part of the reason circe sent him to the underworld was so that he'd have to listen to all these women's stories (before he could talk to the prophet) ). Who was one of the few that saw women as people and respected their space and opinions. And was then put in those exact same situations. I don't have the motivation right now to do a full literary analysis of this (I'll site the sources too) but oh man one day I'm going to write a full essay on this.

[kamoteqeater]

NOOO ATHENA DONT DIE YOURE TOO SE- *ahem YOU STILL HAVE TO TEACH TELEMSRKETING

[boo-aaymee]

Regarding Lady Whistendown's reveal, I really hope that Colin decides to stay and listen to Penelope's reasoning.

I feel like him just deciding to stay would make a difference, after everything since last season Pen has gone from abandonment to abandonment, starting with

Eloise, although she had her reasons, never decided to listen to Penelope and acted impulsively.

2. Lord Debling, who in the end was the one who broke up the courtship with Penelope when he noticed her closeness to Colin.

3. From her own mother, Portia, after she finds out about the end of Lord Debling's courtship, we see how Penelope feels hurt as they do not care about her feelings.

So I feel like Colin must make a difference, he could get angry, yell, cry, get frustrated but as long as he ended up deciding to stay and listen, really listen, to Pen's reasoning, I feel like it would perfectly define the close relationship between the two.

Plus, I think it would be the perfect scenario to incorporate the "Stay, stay, stay" quote from the book, which would also happen in a fight at the engagement dance.

[fluffycuddlebug]

I cannot stop thinking about Odysseus singing "There Are Other Ways" every time he has a slight inconvenience.

But only towards men.

Posideon tries to drown him? Seduce him.

Zeus tries being Zeus? Make him be even more Zeus. Seduce him.

A petty argument going on in the crew? Seduce them.

[corvid-ghost]

It's such whiplash from going from my corner of tumblr to tiktok when it comes to odysseus

Like here (in my corner idk about the rest) its pretty common knowledge that what happened to odysseus was sa, and most of the stuff abiut him are based off of the Iliad or Odyssey (or epic) and yk people know what they're talking about

And then

Then I go tiktok and it's all "odysseus is cheating scum! Circe, Calypso, and Penelope deserved better! He did them dirty! And achilles and patroclus! Terrible person! Bad! They're the victims!"

Which wild take but ok

[wingsofhcpe]

I'm glad the Homer Fandom is finally starting to realise Calypso fuckin' SUCKED because back in my twitter days I saw some horrendous takes about her and Odysseus' relationship. From actual classicists nonetheless. With degrees and everything.

[zorosdimples]

sending childe—a notoriously impatient man—on an impossible scavenger hunt as a way to stave off his advances (since he won’t take “no” for an answer). you tell him that if he can complete it within a day’s time, he can court you.

[shittywriterbrain]

when you realise that both odysseus and medea are manipulating, deceiving characters who are way too smart for their own good but are overcome by anger, pride and jealousy which leads them to commit horrendous acts of violence. and then odysseus is the hero and medea is the bitch

[brotherslayer]

AU where Penelope has been hooking up with Anastacius, Claude and Diana and she is genuinely not aware she has been cheating on her partner the whole time because all blonde people look the same to her

[xxselenite]

Studying for my Greek myth class, studying Odysseus's travel, studying how Odysseus's only goal was to come back to Penelope, studying how he had so many occasions to forget, studying how he had so many places he could've stayed forever, studying how he had nymphs and sorceresses but he chose the human, studying how he cried while remembering the Troyan war, studying...

[thisisallidream]

God, I am trying so hard to enjoy EPIC the musical cos it objectively slaps, but having read Circe by Madeleine Miller before anything else, I will be an odysseus hater until the day I die. 

[sleepy-bear-tm]

Been thinking about the Odyssey a lot lately