Oh I have read your opinion on Dettlaff and I agree. But I disagree on Syanna. Dettlaff is very unfairly treated by the creators. Game almost force us to kill him. Both main paths lead to killing vampire. Sparing him by not taking some ribbon is hard to achieve. Who knew how this ribbon works.Just look at the titles of endings. 'good' is when both sisters survives 'neutral' is when only one of the them dies, and 'bad' is with both sisters dead. What about Dettlaff. Creators treated him like connon fodder completely disregarding his character. Syanna is the real beast in this story. Only person out of mind would use a higher vampire who is like god compared to people. Syanna knew exactly how dangerous Dettlaff is and what he is capable of doing but she decided to use him anyway. This makes her even more idiot. Not to mention she is the reason Roderik of Dun tynn killed his own brother. she was responsible for bloodshed in Dun tynne.You cant blame gunpowder for exploding if you are the one playing with matches. But no she is poor and hurt because they threw her out from palace, its normal that in this situation you set beast on people. I let her die and felt no mercy. And I could never understand why according to Cdpr she is the one who should survive in this dlc. Moral of this story? You can commit the worst crime but if you have contacts you can get away with it. It's shame that Cdpr promotes such thing
Okay, I totally and completely respect your stance, and I agree with you on most points! Thank you for sharing. I appreciate you.
Dettlaff deserved better, there’s no two ways about it. He’s villainized for being blackmailed and manipulated, which I hate. Should he have killed people? No. There are a lot of factors that make this complicated, but the answer is no. But does he deserve to be killed? ALSO NO. I adore Dettlaff. The reason I started to like him was because Regis is so adamant that he’s a good person, and after reading the books and playing b&w I don’t trust anyone more than Regis. I feel like a lot of people are wary about Dettlaff because of how reckless/emotional he is, and because his main story dynamic is with Syanna, who is an abuse survivor and a young woman. His feelings were justified but his actions were inexcusable.
On the topic of Syanna now. I understand your reasoning for hating her and wishing her dead, but I just can’t agree that the ideal ending is for her to die. Was there an excuse or even a good reason for what she did? No. She crossed so many lines you could call her hatching practice. But. Does she deserve to be killed? I don’t think so either! In my opinion (this is just my opinion; you are not obligated to agree with me), she deserves consequences for her actions, but she also deserves to learn how her actions affected people, and she deserves closure, and being killed by Dettlaff is not a good or satisfying ending for her character. She wasn’t just thrown out of the palace, she was mistreated for her whole childhood and blamed for all of her family’s problems! That’s a lot of weight on a kid. She is acting out of a trauma response and likely has no grasp on what healthy coping looks like. Some of my friends have more sympathy for her because she’s a woman in a misogynistic, witch-hunting society, which I do understand, but it’s not enough for me to forgive her. Her feelings were justified but her actions were inexcusable.
Do you see the dilemma here?
I don’t think either of them deserve death. Dettlaff deserves to heal and remove himself from the horrible situation, and Syanna deserves the chance to be held accountable for what she’s done. Anna Henrietta is valid in her desire to see her sister heal as well, especially because she was one of the perpetrators of Syanna’s horrible upbringing. We also get to interact with Dettlaff and Syanna more personably than we do with Eredin or even Gaunter O’Dimm and Olgierd von Everec! Dettlaff comes to talk to Geralt and apologizes to him, as directly as he can in the present company, and we spend time with Syanna in the Land of a Thousand Fables. They’re both very flawed, human characters, and we get to see multiple sides of them, which is one of the things I love about their storyline.
But again. They’re coming from entirely different places here. Syanna was abused as a child and decided to get a higher vampire to fall in love with her, then staged her own kidnapping to manipulate him into killing people who’d wronged her in the past, even though they weren’t her original abusers and we know Dettlaff wouldn’t kill anyone if he had a choice in the matter. Dettlaff? Well, he killed five men. And then he apologized for it, and said that he was just doing what he was told in order to ensure his lover’s safety. Dettlaff did way less direct harm than Syanna, and was much quicker to take responsibility for it. As far as I remember, Syanna hasn’t apologized for anything she did. So basically, I don’t think she deserves to die, but you’re totally valid in thinking that she does.
However, I will say without a doubt that the ending I will ALWAYS go for is the one where Syanna dies and you let Dettlaff go. It’s the best one in my opinion, but I still don’t like it. Someone else has said before that the point is that none of the endings were actually “good,” but this felt different to me. I wouldn’t say that CDPR is promoting that message, but I do wish that you as the player had more agency in what happens, and I wish there was an ending that actually felt good to get.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk about this! It’s one of the things I’m very passionate about in this game, and the reason I’ve started to write a fix-it fic.
If anyone disagrees with what I’ve said, feel free to say so! Just remember to be respectful. :)
Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
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@ruinedmyself: ❝we’re either geniuses or the dumbest sons of bitches to ever breathe air.❞ — SIX OF CROWS STARTERS
' ehh — same thing, different perspectives. move that venetian piece an 'air clockwise, will you? '
look, it's a fairly simple principle, backed up by history and legend alike: mirrors reflect the human soul, and newly-turned vampires are still partially human before they've fed. dead man's blood is toxic to vampires, and the silver that backs most antique mirrors is toxic to blood. so theoretically, trapping a new vampire in a circle of mirrors, creating a tulpa to drag them inside of one, and cooling your heels for however long it takes the silver to kill the human bit — cooking up dead man's blood inside the undead — will produce a veritable self-sustaining meat grinder. simple.
. . . that is, so long as whatever mirror the poor bastard's in doesn't break. or at least, so long as breaking it doesn't free the thought-form and the vampire. or somehow combine the two. which, relatively untested as this theory is, isn't impossible. risk none, reward none.
' get it higher than that. higher. ' of course, as the self-declared architect of this grand plan, ( conveniently forgetting the group effort that went into putting it together, ) constantine is content to do what he's fairly certain all great thinkers enjoy the most: sit back and watch someone else do the legwork. ' y'think the tulpa should be somethin' ironic-looking? i'm not conjuring up one've those sparklin' twilight bastards with a gun to me 'ead, but it'd be funny, right? '
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the way the beginning of s10 tries to push dean & sam being equally dark falls so flat with how sam is. literally just doing the same job they’ve always done. and demon!dean is Pathetic and his on-screen kill count is one douchebag and a bunch of demons that normal dean would have killed anyway.
but actually, i think the best way to fix this would have been keeping demon!dean as he is and making it so that sam genuinely does go dark side getting him back. sam sacrificing multiple people to demon deals on purpose. sam torturing and killing not just demons but other hunters who he knows are on dean’s trail. sam trying so hard not to dose himself with demon blood again, but he gets desperate, he takes a drink, and by the time he catches up with dean, he’s powerful enough to trap dean like a mouse before dean even realizes how dangerous sam has become. demon!dean getting loose later and thinking he’s hunting sam through the bunker only for the tables to turn when it’s sam hunting him, sam dragging a knife across his throat and taking his blood while dean struggles and fails to fight him off. sam dragging dean back telekinetically to the dungeon and waiting to cure him until cas is there to heal the fatal wound sam put in him.
if we have to make a big deal about sam being “just as bad” as demon!dean. i think he should have been much, much worse, actually.
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