#btw not an excuse for fatphobia

[florshedworf]

not to admit to watching helluva boss on occasion but what are the fat jokes aimed at moxxie. like i get that moxxie is bullied frequently but it seems out of nowhere? it’s less that it’s rude as hell (they are demons) and more just?? confusing?? like where did that come from

[not-gray-politics]

I overheard a video made by a diet influencer where she said that her friends/followers are "health missionaries" and it made me realize diet culture is literally just evangelism. Alternative medicine and faith healing are one and the same. It's the EXACT same rhetoric. The venn diagram is a circle.

[imaginarianisms]

oh g-d the fatphobia on this one.........

[bluesundaymorn]

Posting fatspo = instant unfollow btw. Eating disorders aren’t an excuse for fatphobia.

[mariailoveyou-guerin]

Why I will never ever take Bridgerton fandom or mainly any tv/film fandoms seriously especially the Bridgerton one because they genuinely like trash toxic disgusting characters like Eloise Anthony Kate Daphne but hate Marina Edwina Colin and Penelope and the only reason they like Kate is because she’s their self insert girl to be with the hot nasty white boy they fancy Anthony and the only reason they dislike Colin who’s perfect and the best man brother wnd Bridgerton in that whole show is because he’s Penelope friend and love interest it’s clear as day they whole fandom hatred for them is based on racism misogynior and fatphobia because you can’t tell me you genuinely like Daphne who’s a se*ual assaulte* (which btw people hate Alison in UA for as they should but they deem her as the devil worst most evil human ever that was kissing too but daphne does a whole SA rap*e but she don’t get the same energy Daphne don’t even get any energy about in fact she gets nothing is because what she did was towards a poc character so it don’t matter right and things only matter when poc/woc characters does anything or just breathes in the wrong direction or towards a yt character right they are

deemed satan sporn crucified fandom love to put woc/poc character on high standards then white characters who can just live life and do all mistakes without facing consequences or remotely anything even if it’s literally sexu*ul assaul* or crimes like plz be fr and don’t get me started on them like having understanding sympathing and making all the excuses in the world for daphne even tho she’s sexua* assaulte* but they hate Marina for doing what was best for her children and herself there’s absolutely no understanding no sympathy or empathy for her and the life she’s lived which was so sad and cruel in fact she’s lived the worst life but they have no understanding for her but can easily do for other characters who’s lived a spoiled happy privileged life like the Bridgertons but nothing for the poor sad heartbroken girl in that society being not just any girl but a woc and not a rich woc that is protected by love or money like say queen Charlotte duke was in that era

being great mother doing whatever for their kids which is another thing fandoms love Portia as they should bc she was doing what was best for her kids as a mother does and should always do (my queen except when she’s cruel to pen and her sister) when she said she was mother and her team was the 3 girls the fandom call her bad bitch best mom who loves her kids as they should bc it’s true and Georgia in G&G calling her girl boss bad bitch best mother and queen thingz for doing everything for her kids and herself but Marina doing the same in time in a society where people like her poor black woman with no high status or family meant nothing who’s opinion and life and gender was seen as less, for her it’s she’s the devil trapping Colin like he still didn’t want her afterwards saying it didn’t matter to him that she was pregnant with another man baby that he loved and would’ve helped her if he knew😂 she’s manipulative trapping him all the bla bla no she was doing what was right and best for her at that time and we shouldn’t applauded her for her mistakes for doing what was wrong to towards Colin or lying to him but understand her time and life and see she was very desperate have some sympathy for god sake she made a mistake she did something wrong we see it her it but so did everyone else there and y’all have understanding sympathy for them but can’t do the same for her why?

(at least she came clean and apologized and got her consequences more then I can say for any bridgerton character that’s not Colin because they all somehow never seem to get any consequences for their actions or the things they do and the people they hurt just disappear or are the ones getting hated on or they get their happy ending with a person they hurt) but when another white woman character does that same exact thing but it’s way worse it’s girl boss) and that’s why I can’t take any fandom but especially the Bridgerton fandom seriously and don’t even get me started on the unnecessary hate Penelope Colin and Edwina get all the time sure Penelope at least did something bad once or twice or thrice and I’m not excusing her but it’s not remotely close to anything those other characters or even Eloise did and Kate Anthony get nothing even tho they are literally the most evil characters in that show along with daphne, Eloise is horrible awful cruel human but she’s not a devil just mean whiny privileged spoiled narcissistic hypocritical bitc*h and anyone that likes these characters but hate on Penelope who tried everything to save herself and her friend can stfu and anyone who hates Edwina and Colin literally the best characters in the whole universe who’s never ever done anything wrong in their lives can fcvk off good too for all I care same can Penelope Polin and Marina haters!

you are not fooling anyone with your clear and obvious racism misogynior and fatphobia at all because if you genuinely was gonna hate on characters for being cruel or doing something manipulative nasty or just pure evil you would never eveeer hate or even think off hating on Colin and Edwina and you would be so understanding empathetic and feel for Penelope and Marina doing whatever they can in world where they are poor woman who aren’t rich spoiled privileged supported by their family nor Bridgerton girls and who the world don’t just open up for them with opportunity respect an kindness

And this is more then half the fandom all of them being the same one shade of nasty liking daphn kathony but hating Colin Edwina marina and Penelope be so fr real!

[slightly-gay-pogohammer]

Hey gio I accidentally got into an argument about how Rowling, and how she’s not transphobic and how’s she’s misunderstood, do you have a list of reliable sources and evidence to point out she’s not a good person?

okay i want to say that. unfortunately i DID have some discussions similar to this in the past, and they always ended with the other person going "let's agree to disagree :)" and so i know it's a lowkey Lost Cause. however. wanna give out obvious proof? like nothing that can be misread or misunderstood?? like of course i can just throw her twitter link here and call it a day, but again. i've met people who were adamant and kept saying that she was just pro women, well.

sure let's go. putting it under read more because i know that it's very upsetting. we're discussing transphobia, but i also want to lampshade her racism and much more so. yeah.

also point 0.5: i know you want proof of transphobia but i want to remind everyone that she's a bad person through and through. just by reading the book you can see a lot of fatphobia - especially with the dursleys - excusing slavery with the house elves to the point that the only one who's happy with being free is considered "weird" and the one person who wants to fight for their rights being constantly used a a joke, antisemitism with the goblins description, the racism when it comes to non-white characters (the chinese character is literally called cho chang and whatever the fuck she did with the native americans) and much, much more. I won't lie, I still have fond memories of the books from when I read them as a child, but you can't ignore that she really pissed outside the bucket more than once

1. again, just read the books. in harry potter i think it's just something very vaguely hinted with Rita Skeeter being described as masculine and being a character who constantly badmouths and stalks the underage protagonists, and we all know how her main villain in "troubled blood" is what a trans woman is in the eyes of a terf: just a man who crossdresses to enter in women's bathrooms to kill them. there's also her new book where she makes the victim we need to avenge a cartoonist who's killed for being accused of being transphobic, but honestly i didn't read too much into it nor i want to because just the premise makes my blood boil

2. small, but while her rampage on twitter can "be misunderstood" as "her protecting women" ( no it can't, but again. that's what people i discussed with were preaching :^) ), i think the ultimate smoking gun was her blocking stephen king, someone she openly reverred jus a few hours before he stated that trans women are women

3. similarly, Katherine Waterson, the actress who played the main love interest in "Fantastic Beasts", was casually pushed aside after she was very openly went against J.K.'s transphobia. In the latest movie her character was "unavailable" until th very end, as far as I know, where they rushed to close her love arc.

3.5. the actors of Harry, Ron and Hermione and many others were also openly supporting trans people btw, and since she doesn't really have power over them anymore Rowling being absent to the Harry Potter reunion really says a lot to me

4. This is my personal smoking gun: her promoting a terf site

i think the name of the site itself is proof enough, but just to make sure that they didn't have a sudden change of heart or it could "be misunderstood" i took one for the team and checked their site and

this was their landing page besties. can't be more obvious than this

5. JK yes you can. Wanna know with who she hangs with lately?

these people :) I heavily encourage watching this video, as upsetting as it might be -- and check out this channel's Harry Potter essay too, they really go deep into how badly she fucked up, but the TL;DR version of the video above is "they're all terfs" like you can say you're not transphobic as much as you want, but if most of your besties are transphobes I think it's kind of obvious you are too

6. "Merry Terfmas"

[carmold]

sorry hi mod sword from the phighting confessions blog i dont wanna reblog the thread in case people dont wanna see it but the fatphobia thing IS real.. the full context is razzytism has a fat fetish (iirc based deeply in trauma) and it influences how she draws characters without her being aware of it

they banned her from the regretevator discord based on how she drew characters (which was entirely sfw and was not meant to be seen as a fetish, which is the fatphobic part imo) and also based on her personal tumblr acc reblogs which was.. just kinda weird?

sorry if this is like uhm.. whats the word... upset sounding? i just wanted to clear up a situation with a LOT of nuance.. she DOES have a fat fetish but some of the mods choices WERE fatphobic, imo both sides are kinda iffy? does not excuse the smear campaign that some of the mods + gregoriahs va ran against razzy on twitter (in which razzy is a minor, so its... extra weird of them. nothing was stopping them from talking to her)

YOU DONT NEED TO ANSWER THIS BTW SORRY IF ITS ANNOYING I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR UP MORE OF THE SITUATION it was a mess i hope u have a nice day sorry for running in here and dumping a whole lot of random stuff 😔

thrnk u mod sword

[ckbriefs]

idk about ur mutual but u are defending someone who excuses fatphobia and antiblackness so um maybe get off ur high horse teehee ^_^

I have no fucking clue who you're talking about, you detached little brat. Again with this crass fuckin attitude... How childish. Literally how predictable. Why even pretend you care about bigotry while making light of it and laughing? Seriously? what's your goal other than to try and rile me up? Its not gonna work. Troll.

Btw nobody is my mutual in this because the person I was talking to blocked me and the person he sent me an outdated, exaggerated callout post about never was, which I've already stated.

[antivivziepopparade]

My dude has a literal dad bod I have no idea what this Twitter is talking about?! He has a square shape if anything. My dude is NOT a "Twink" wtf are they talking about?!

Vivziepop just twinkified him becuse she's afriad of drawing different body shapes unless its for fetishization/has curves and no stomach or has a stomach but is short as hell on like- ONE character:

She thinwashed him for literally no reason other than fatphobia.

There are no excuses for this.

This isnt the first time where Vivziepop was fatphobic towards someone she "loved" either. (Yes I am Raysquid btw.)

DID YOU JUST CALLED WEIRD AL A TWINK

[kyuriman]

Something kinda meh with the sp fandom (but definitely not limited to) is the erasure of Cartman and Kenny's feminine identities (especially Cartman).

A part of me thinks this side of them gets buried because they get ID'd as tops in ships (not all the time ofc but often) and a lot of ppl are still under the impression that masc=top and fem=bottom.

So characters like Butters (who is generally ID'd as a bottom) who reluctantly crossdressed as a girl now gets more representation and exploration when it comes to gender identity than two characters who openly enjoy it.

Obv everyone is free to have their own headcanons and interpretations but I see a LOT of south park HCs where Cartman is like embarrassed to dress feminine or makeup and it just feels like we're watching two different shows.

[transbastard]

Endgame Thor is literally too good for all of you fatphobic fucks, he REMAINS the protector of lesbians, and all of you that suddenly shut up about how much you LOOOOOOVE Thor when Endgame came out can personally suck my dick because I absolutely know why you did.

[struggleforsuperiority]

btw believe it or not you dont need to be fatphobic to have an ed. yes its hard to think about yourself this way but there is no reason for you to find a strangers photo online and post them on a different social media app just to call them an ugly pig. your ed doesnt excuse fatphobia, youre just being shitty

[metalheadsforblacklivesmatter]

TW ableism, body shaming, fatphobia, gaslighting mention, accusing someone of faking stuff and manipulation ///////////

I appreciate the post you made not too long ago about peoples disability being "enough" (idk if the quotes are correct to put, I put them there because all disabilities are valid and putting "disability" and "enough" in the same sentence isnt a gr8 thing Hdhdjhdkd)

But yeah, I need to get rid of my internalized ableism as well, it also comes from trauma and although I validate others disabilities no matter what, what I say about my own can reflect onto others, and I'd hate for that to effect (affect???) people.

I had a horrible friend group once who gaslit me into thinking i was faking my fibromyalgia for attention/using it as an excuse to be lazy and fat (I'm very much fat but LOL fuck them.) Or using my brain fog and pain as an excuse to be a shitty person and such. I developed a horrible case of imposter syndrome bc I believe it all, it sucks. I feel like a manipulative, compulsive liar that only uses people and that my disability really is made up and all in my head (they especially say that about fibromyalgia) and they said I'm just obsolete and that's why I'm in pain.

It's strange because, why would you make me feel bad about being obese if I was obese? Why is being big so frowned upon?? Why is it that thin people get cared for WAY more easily compared to bigger people who are suffering? (But btw, to clarify, body shaming is horrible, and I'm not denying that thin people suffer too, I hate that society is horrid towards anyone)

SORRY JUST RAMBLING TO YOU ALL HOPE YOU DONT MIND I JUST FELT VALIDATED BY THAT AND I APPRECIATE IT.

Correct me on anything I've said please!

(Agreeing with you)

It's really dumb because fatphobia is rooted in being unhealthy. The whole idea behind being an ass to fat people is because "it's unhealthy".

The fact that fat isn't an indicator of health aside.

They're literally putting someone's value in their health.

They're literally looking at fat people and saying "you have less value because you're unhealthy".

What are us disabled people supposed to say/ think when we see this fatphobic society pointing at fat people and calling them less than because they're unhealthy?

Not to mention, a lot of people are fat because of their disability, but the opposite is also true. A lot of disabled people are skinny because of their disability. At my worst I couldn't hold down food for days on end because of my migraines. DAYS without eating. I wasn't just skinny, I was hella out of shape because I couldn't exercise because I couldn't move because I couldn't eat.

I'm not trying to compare my experience to yours. Obviously fat disabled people get more shit from doctors and society because they're fat.

But since the vomiting was the worst symptom for my, I felt like ignoring my weight because I was skinny was equivalent to ignoring the worst part about my disability.

I also just feel gaslit by society because everyone calls migraines a headache disorder, when it's a neurological disorder where headaches aren't even the most common or the most severe symptom. A lot of my internalized abelism was people calling migraines "just a headache" and it took me years to realize and accept that the headache wasn't even the worst part. Depending on the severity, I could deal with just the headache. The WORST part is the vomiting, vertigo, and the fatigue for days after.

One migraine was so bad I had a bruise down my back for 2 weeks after because I fell on my desk trying to get my meds, and I ended up crawling to my meds.

(That doesn't include the memory issues because that's a whole nother post.)

-fae

[sporesgalaxy]

Excuse me but did you see my IZ Anon ask? I apologize if it was uncomfortable.

yeah I just havent really posted much iz in a long time so I didn't quite get why you sent it to me? here it is btw

like I agree with this I think fatphobia fucking sucks and this trope of characters "letting themselves go" needs to stop being synonymous with "gets temporarily fat."

But idk I felt like that has been said before, I hadnt posted anything related to this Dib moment in a long time, and I prioritize non-anon asks when I have the energy, so I just put off responding until I thought of something to add.

[theshipscloset]

Regarding the question about discrimination based on physical appearance, as a foreigner, I would love to hear your insights on as to why the USA has so much fatphobia when a large percentage of its population is actually overweight. I could see it happening in places like Korea or Japan where nearly everyone is thin (unless you fight Sumo), but I never understood why it happens so much in America.

Many many factors led America to where it is now with fatphobia and beauty culture, but this article does a fantastic jobs of summarizing key points in history that pushed us towards our present day fixations/misconceptions.  

Not mentioned in the article but still important factors:

-Way back in the day, being able to afford enough food to put on some extra weight was a sign of wealth and privilege and was therefore desirable. Now that we’re surrounded with food (especially the cheap, trashy kind) now more than any other point in history, it’s the opposite--having enough money to buy healthy food is a sign of wealth and privilege and is therefore desirable.

-We were fixated on thinness before fatness was the majority, but now that thinness is even more ‘rare’ it’s considered even more desirable and sought after. The fast food boom in the 80s and 90s was great for the beauty and diet industry--even more fat and “fat” people to shame into buying their products. The dwindling population of “thin” people has only put them on an even higher pedestal.  

-Our public health education sucks. Even if you’re lucky enough to have a health class requirement, you typically come out of that class knowing “veggies good, sugar bad” and “thin good, fat bad,” instead of, say, actual nutrition and health information. As a result, most Americans believe that almost any degree of “extra” weight is literally unhealthy. (And how most Americans define extra weight, btw, is through an outdated and debunked system called BMI that is utter bullshit.)

-We’ve deeply tied thinness to morality. If you’re thin you’re automatically assumed to be healthy, responsible, and generally taking care of yourself. You ‘put the effort’ into being fuckable your health. If you’re fat or even just have an inconsequential bit of padding, you must be lazy, lacking discipline, sloppy, and physically ill. (This is how the beauty and diet industry can capitalize on our feelings of shame.)

-We’re given the message dozens (if not hundreds) of times a day that thin = beautiful. All day, every day we’re shown thin bodies as examples of top tier beauty. Men get this messaging too, but it’s particularly heinous for women. The subtext we receive as a result is that if you’re fat, or even have a perfectly harmless extra bit of weight, you’re ugly, disgusting, and will never be desired.

-Alternate voices in beauty like the Body Positivity movement are constantly being ripped apart for any reason the public can think of in order to quash more realistic thinking (because realism often discards shame, and shame sells). It’s extremely difficult to put better ideas into the mainstream’s eye and be listened to before the person saying those ideas are hyper-scrutinized and “cancelled.” (In a couple of cases the criticism of a person has been warranted, but that’s used as an excuse to throw out their entire message even if the criticism had nothing to do with it.) So far I think Lizzo is the only body positive person to not get ousted or “discredited,” though she still gets plenty of fatphobia aimed at her.

Basically, it’s complicated. Anyone who tries to handwave the issue with “oh Americans are just shallow” is too ignorant to be listened to.

[rjalker]

You put hagrid on your list, is it because he raises dangerous animals? I want to understand

(Made with speech to text btw forgive typos)

It's because when he is first introduced, he maintains a child because the child's father insulted a man who isn't even in the room, and it literally wasn't even a grave insult. She has absolutely no idea that Dudley is a terrible person. He just attacks a child because the child's father insulted someone who isn't even in the room to be insulted. He attempted to turn Dudley into a pig. With a broken one. When his education ended when he was what, thirteen? That was 50 years ago? He does not succeed at turning Dudley into a pig, but he does succeed at mutating deadly spine into a pig's tail. And then Hagrid tells Harry, The Only Magical person and specifically a child who witnesses this, not to tell anyone.

So Harry doesn't tell anyone. Because he doesn't like Dudley, and he likes Hagrid, and he doesn't see anything wrong with this. So deadly now has to get part of his spine surgically fucking removed, when he didn't do fucking anything wrong in that scene at all, Hagrid literally just tried to fucking the kill him because his father insulted someone.

And I say he tried to kill him because he does not make any attempt to turn back his fucking tail, so I very highly doubt he would have attempted to turn him back from a pig.

The movies lie to you and say that Dudley was stealing Harry's cake and that's why I agreed did it. No. Dudley literally didn't do anything once Haggard got in the room. It was literally just that Vernon called Dumbledore a fool so Hagrid decides to fucking attack a child.

He's like, 60s in his 60s. And he is attacking a child with the intent to pretty much kill, torture and traumatize at the very least.

And this has never taken seriously or brought up ever again, because we're supposed to like Hagrid, even when he continues to do shit like this, endangering children, because he's coated as autistic so it's okay, he can't be expected to know any better, we shouldn't be angry with him it's just the way he is /sarcasm.

It's not just that Hagrid and dangerous literally every child and animal that gets near him. His first scene literally involved him attacking and maiming a child. Deadly is now permanently fucking injured from that encounter but it's never treated as a big fucking deal or brought up again. The dursleys had to go to a fucking back alley unofficial surgeon to get his tail removed. He had to have part of a spine surgically fucking removed. But it's okay, because we're supposed to like Hagrid.

I tried to reread the Harry Potter books a few years ago and literally threw the book across the room when this fucking see it happened because it's just so fucking casual and we're just supposed to think this is a good thing and I don't fucking understand how any adult can reread the fucking books and go oh yeah this is fine this is fun.

Hagrid literally knew nothing about Dudley. As far as he knew, Dudley and Harry were best fucking friends. But he is just decides that instead of attacking the adult who is the one insulting people, he's going to purposefully maim a fucking child and scar them for life.

But he's autistic coded, so it's okay. I'll just sick people don't know any better and you shouldn't ask them to not be horrible people /sarcasm

It also fucking ties into the general fucking fat-shaming surrounding Dudley and Vernon, because JK Rowling likes to fucking compared to a pig because he's fat and equates his being fat with him being an abusive asshole.

Like even if you ignore literally every single other horrible thing wrong with the books and with JK Rowling, how can people defend this fucking series when the fatphobia is so fucking blatant that JK Rowling literally once said that Dudley is wider than he is tall. How do you fucking people excuse that. What is wrong with you.

(You as in people who are still defending the Harry Potter series in 2021, not you asker)

When I'm on my laptop later I will link this to the post that this is referencing, it's where I talked about how allistic keep fucking making autistic coded characters and making them horrible people who endanger everyone around them but we're just supposed to accept that and never criticize them or call them out because they're autistic and these people are infantilizing autistic people to be incapable of learning and incapable of basic human fucking decency and I'm going to kill the next person who does it. Other prominent examples include entrapped up from She-Ra, and the blue ranger from That Power Rangers movie. Entrapta literally signs up with genocide of fascists who are murdering people and destroying the planet because she likes the shiny say it's toys and she literally gives 0 sheets about literally anyone but herself and we're just supposed to think this is quirky and cute and that the problem is that she's bad at making friends, not that she willingly signed up with the genocide of faces and helped him fucking commit genocide. The Blue Ranger was fucking carrying around explosives and almost got everybody killed because he was setting off fucking explosives and this is never fucking address and it's just pissing me off so fucking much.