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ailithnight · 2 years ago

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After this chapter, I will no longer be doing a taglist. Sorry folks, there's just too many of y'all and I'm on mobile. Please subscribe on AO3 for updates, or follow the tag A King in Arkham.

A King in Arkham

Chapter 4

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Danny. I understand you don't want to go with your godfather. Is there a reason for that?

Can't go with Vlad!

If you know something we don't about him, you need to tell us. Otherwise he will win custody.

It's.. He'll.. he'll make me.. turn me.. his fault!

What's his fault, Danny?

His fault. All his. All.. My.. no, my fault. It's all my fault...

Danny?

IT'S MY FAULT! I KILLED THEM! ALL DEAD! Because of me...

Now Danny, I'm sure that's not true. What happened at the Nasty Burger-

I made it happen.

Corporate negligence-

He knew. I knew. Dan knew what would happen. Dan made it happen. He knew the sauce was gonna blow. He knew Lancer would arrange the meeting there. He cheated. He lured them there. He bound them up so they couldn't escape and ran the time out until they exploded! Dan did that and Dan was me, so I did that.

Daniel...?

I murdered them. I murdered everyone.

Da-

IT'S ALL MY FAU- *static*

Tim started talking after the audio cut to static.

"What you just heard is the last, partially recovered therapy session of Danny's in Chicago. The cameras were beyond salvaging. No one except Danny knows what happened after the audio cuts. What is known is that nearby witnesses heard what they claim sounded like a 'screaming moan' coming from the therapy room. When doctors and staff went to check; the therapist Mrs. Alders was slumped against the wall, appearing to have been forcefully pushed, with minor head trauma. Danny was curled up on the other side of the room, panicking and muttering about a Dan.

While Mrs. Alders mostly recovered from the incident, she does not know how she ended up slammed against the wall. Once this audio was recovered, it was turned over to the police. Given the severity of the... confession... in conjunction with the apparent assault, the courts decided to move Danny to an asylum for the criminally insane." Tim paused in the debrief, letting the information sink in. After a moment, Duke raised his hand. Jason scoffed at the action.

"This ain't kindergarten kid, say your bit."

"I just, that explains why an asylum in general. But why Arkham?" Tim nodded, pulling up a picture of a document.

"Kid's godfather, business tycoon and multimillionaire, Vlad Masters. Insisted that if his godson should have to go to an asylum, he'll go to the- and I quote- 'Best in the country.' Made a deal with the state that he'll foot the bill while he continues fighting for custody. Apparently didn't do his research enough to know that 'Best Known' and 'Best' are not the same." Bruce had the next question.

"So, Master's doesn't have custody yet?"

"Nope." Tim popped his 'p', pulling up more documents. Investigative reports. "Given Danny's reactions to him, CPS started investigating. Found a lot of shady shit. Narcissism, anger issues, control issues, coercion tactics.

One agent said he tried to bribe her with a rather large sum of money, which she might have taken if she wasn't well enough off from a family inheritance and mostly doing this work for the kids. Of course, same agent also said he had 'Rancid vibes' and 'tried to posses' her, but her 'Grammy's necklace protected her' so her credibility was deemed iffy.

Still, there's enough there that it's unlikely Masters will be able to gain custody any time soon. So if Gotham's favorite serial adopter with a good track record for helping troubled kids, Brucie Wayne, were to step in..." Tim's smirk is infectious and makes its way around the table. Bruce's lips twitch ver briefly into a fond smile, before dropping back into a frown.

"What do you make of the... confession?" Jason doesn't even try to hold in his groan.

"Seriously, B? It was survivor's guilt or some kind of psychotic episode or something." Damian frowns.

"I would not discredit him so quickly, Hood. After all, his ghosts are real apparently."

"Hnn." Bruce gets that look on his face. The almost constipated frown that means he is going to have to do something unpleasant like host a gala or attend a business meeting or, "I will have to call Constantine to verify what the entity we are dealing with is."

Jason lets out a gleeful snort. "Have fun with that one, B. In the mean time can I go break our kid out yet or what?"

"Actually, Hood," Jason turns a glare on Tim, who is once again holding his hands up placatingly. "That still leaves us with the issue of making him an escapee and you an accomplice."

"Well fuckin Brucie Wayne can't exactly just walk up to Arkham and ask if they've got any blue eyed black haired boys for him to adopt."

"Not exactly what I'm suggesting here." Batman sighs.

"What are you suggesting." Tim pulls out a case he had tucked under the desk, a truly devious smirk painted across his face.

"Just a little temporary theft. Only long enough to put the kid's face on the news for Brucie to stumble across." He opens the case, sliding it over to Jason. Inside, a replica of a relic from Tim's own past; resized to fit his bigger, broader brother. "You remember Red X, don't you?"

The green that had been tinting Jason's vision the whole meeting finally subsides, giving way to wicked mirth.

"Oh, hell yes."

Batman sighs.

"You don't get it do you? I'm still here. I still exist. That means you still turn into me."

Another night, another nightmare of a memory jolting Danny back into the waking world. His chest is tight, a high whine suppressing itself in the back of his throat. Danny's eyes dart around his room, searching for the shadowy void of his most frequent visitor. But Spectra isn't there tonight. She hasn't come back since she was seen by Banana Bat.

It's strange. Danny had gotten used to waking up with her there, towering over him, shadowy clawed hand resting somewhere on his body as she feasted on his misery. He didn't mind, really. He had plenty to give and she didn't even rough him up too bad. Just enough to keep the psyches concerned. The last 3 days without her presence had been... not lonely. Danny was already lonely. But emptier. Like the one good thing his continued existence was doing for someone had been ripped away.

Truly, Danny felt he had nothing left in this world. Nothing to give, nothing to gain. But he couldn't die. Couldn't unleash full ghost Phantom on the world again. That's what created Dan. No, this was what he had to give. All he had to give. To stay human so that Dan never becomes ghost. To live, as the least burden he could be, so that Dan never died.

Clockwork must have known what would happen if Danny fully died. That must be why he spared him. The Observants sentenced Danny to death. But Clockwork was smarter. He sentenced Danny to life. And really, it's such a small price to pay for the sins of his other self.

Despite what the others say, Arkham isn't hell. The only issue Danny's had was the clown and that's not really anyone's fault. It's just, Danny looked at the Joker and he saw Freakshow. And he saw that stupid staff. And he heard that grating laugh. And all he could think about was how that was the only thing that could still turn him into Dan. If the clown took control again. He couldn't let that happen. He couldn't! Not becoming a Dan, not becoming a problem; that's all he could do now! He couldn't he couldn't he couldn't...

Danny was broken out of his spiraling thoughts by the now familiar buzzing echoing clanging sound of another break out. He closed his eyes, letting out a heavy sigh. Then, suddenly, he was lifted up, hoisted onto someone's shoulders in a fireman's carry.

"Damn kid, do you weigh anything?"

Danny's eyes flew open, his body subconsciously tensed for a fight Danny wouldn't actually fight. The voice, clearly modulated, sounded high and breezy. His head turned to look at the person now forcefully evicting him from his room. Black body suit. White mask. Red slashes in a stylized X. Built like his Dad... Danny had no idea who this was.

For a moment, Danny felt a twinge of fear. He had no idea who this was. They obviously weren't with Arkham. They had just stolen him from his room and, holy shit they were flying now. No. Not flying, grappling. And running. Moving very fast towards the exit. With Danny. For unknown reasons.

Holy shit, someone was kidnapping a teenager from an insane asylum. That, probably wasn't good. Any normal or sane person would be scared for their health and wellbeing. But, well... Danny was hardly normal. And sane was becoming increasingly questionable.

And this guy, well he didn't trigger Danny's ghost sense. No chilly breath escaping his mouth. So he was human, not a ghost. It's not like a human could kill Danny. Not with his ghostly healing factor. Sure, they could make his life a living hell. Beat him, violate him, enslave him. But a human couldn't turn him into Dan so... Danny doesn't think he really cares.

"Um, why are you carrying me?"

"Taking you out of here."

"Clearly, I meant why?"

"Owe someone a favor." That was mildly concerning. Danny could think of one person who would stoop to this.

"Did Vlad send you?"

"Master's? Nope. He couldn't afford my services."

"Oh. Okay." As long as it wasn't Vlad. They were almost to the main gate now. There was screaming behind them, now. Danny loomed behind them as the person grappled up the wall and vaulted them over. Danny caught the barest glimpse of the twink in a burlap sack mask striding out the door, leaving a noxious cloud in his wake.

Then they're gone, grappling to then moving across rooftops. It's not a bad feeling. Kinda fun even. Flying as a ghost was nice. Really nice. But different from this. Gravity literally didn't touch you if you didn't want it too. But this? Danny could feel the pull of the earth, the force of every swing. Gravity was still there, exerting its influence, but they were defying it.

For a tiny moment, Danny felt the ghost of a smile on his lips. The good feeling was fleeting, like all his feelings these days. But it was there and it was enough to shock a small "Oh." from Danny.

"Oh what, runt?"

"Nothing, just. Never grappled before. S'nice."

"Oh." It was such a soft thing, Danny once more found himself pondering the intentions of his kidnapper.

"Do I get to know where we're going?"

"Safe house for the night. I'm your baby sitter."

"And tomorrow?"

"We'll see."

"...Okay."

The next morning, Vicki Vale stumbles across the story of her career (so far) sitting dazed and confused in her office. A prepubescent boy in an oversized Arkham uniform? The day after a breakout where Scarecrow and only one other inmate escaped? Oh this is bound to sell.

Okay, I know the show pretty heavily implies that Teen Titans Robin us Dick.

But

What if it was Tim?

#A King in Arkham #DP x DC #my writing #will taglist later #bedtime

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fleur-alise · 2 years ago

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1. Peter Parker, except his parker luck keeps killing them off

2. Bruce Wayne, and his serial adoption issue

#two of my all time favorite found families btw

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sunnie-angel · 6 months ago

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Part 2 oh my god, I can't believe we get to be blessed with part 2!! You cannot imagine how I practically absorbed this into my very being. Thank you so, so much for writing a part 2.

The very beginning shocked me to my core, because we get a child death. I haven't seen that in fics, but I like how you start it out at this point. Getting to see the Reader (which, I cannot relate to at all, except for the fact that the Reader loves Jason) at this formative age, to see how they behaved is such a smart move. Especially with the Reader's background as an (I assume) orphan. NOT TO MENTION THAT JASON KNEW OF THE READER WHEN THEY WERE KIDS?? HELLO???

That shook me to my very core. I was not expecting that, or that they knew each other. Yeah, I can already see why the Reader, who I'm naming R from now on, may be with Jason. He protected them from a really awful kid and her friends, made it easier for them sometimes. (Not all the time, because R says Lucy was always worse when Jason wasn't around.)

R (correct me if I'm wrong here, I may be reading this wrong) having their father get held up on an embezzlement charge and then moving to Crime Alley.....interesting. R is taken out of the glitz and glamor of the Diamond District, of privilege and comfort. And then Jason "dies" at 11, taken out of the Alley, now in the very privilege R had been forced to leave behind. (Side bar here, but there is something wrong with R. Yes, technically, a version of Jason had gone away when Jason became the second Robin, the second son of Bruce Wayne. But he didn't die. We know that, of course. Too bad R doesn't. Then again, we don't see if R tries to reach out to Jason, if they make contact with one another at all.)

"The red rimmed eyes of Bruce Wayne on the staticky screen of the common room television confirms what you already know: Bruce Wayne is the Bat and he has killed your friend twice over."

You have no idea how much I wanted to scream from that. Sincerely. Especially when you basically wrote that Jason's second death is the reason R is taking on the criminals that Batman won't take out permanently. They want a permanent solution, they always have, no matter if it was for dealing with Lucy Nesbit or for dealing with the man who would take more than his fill of the city.

Oh wow, R is a court stenographer?? I love that choice. Oh, they bought the house with the purple windowsills. And yet, it isn't enough. Fixing the house, removing the old flooring is not enough. The stability of the government pension is not enough. It should be, as you wrote. But it isn't.

I think that detail about the asshole who hits on R at the bar was so well written. It gave me the heebie jeebies, and I hated the guy as soon as you described him.

R is...definitely a serial killer, though no one else knows it. The issue is that we have to wonder about the ethics behind all of these killings. Because there are two sides to this.

In many ways R is right to hate Batman. Their best friend left them behind after being adopted by Bruce Wayne, and dies as Batman's sidekick. Maybe things would be better if R didn't figure out Bruce and Batman are the same man. But they did. That brings us to the issue of Batman being a reason as to how crime has changed in Gotham. As far as we know, in this story at least, people like Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze did not exist when Bruce was a kid. It was just typical robbers and muggers. But now, people with clown gimmicks, people who spray a toxin that makes you witness your worst fears, people who can freeze the entire city or butcher you while wearing a pig mask run amuck. Like moths to a flame, Batman attracts some weird people, has romantic relations with them, and allows children that he adopts in his civilian alter ego to fight by his side against them. He brings a lot of harm to the city, he is a motivator for who R becomes by the time part 1 occurs.

But he also brings a lot of safety. Some of these villains would still be in Gotham, with or without a Batman. And that would leave them to the government. That's not to mention that some of these villains would also be worse without the intervention of Batman. It would also, possibly, leave Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake as orphans, since Bruce being Batman in no way interferes with each kid's parent's death. These kids would end up in the foster system, but even that isn't safe, we know that based on real life and with what R dealt with. Sure, Jason may not die as Robin, but he could die even earlier because of what goes on in the Alley. And who knows how R would turn out in this hypothetical.

Wow this really got away from me. Whoops.

Anyway. R is already losing their footing, and by that I mean, they're killing people who don't even pop up with a record. They're losing their motivation a bit, and it's interesting to see. What's more interesting is seeing the Red Hood come back to R. We don't know if it's on purpose, not yet. But we know that even though Jason wore his domino mask under his helmet, R knows their boy.

I cannot get over the line, "He kisses you, and the axis of your world shifts." Oh my god. How can you get away with writing that. It shouldn't be allowed, now I'll hope that I get to experience a kiss that shifts the axis of my world. There are lines that stick with you forever, and this is one of them.

Seeing R and Jason together is saccharine in the best way possible. I mean, Jason is able to show every part of himself with R, he can let "The cracks show through. Violence drips out of his every pore despite his hand wringing to you late at night. You are his confessor and absolve him of any sin." (Another fantastic line, oh my gosh.)

The way you've written their dynamic is balls to the walls insane, in the best way possible. I can't imagine hearing Jason's story again and not feeling the way R does. But at the same time, R is manipulating this poor boy. (Good riddance to the Joker. And the foster father. God. Why is Gotham a spawning point for trashy people.)

Batman coming after them was expected, yet somehow I'm in shock about everything?? Which is so funny, in terms of what I'm feeling, idk. Anyway. Bruce fights his son, R gets handcuffed. I'm cheering for Bruce, though, because while R and Jason are cute together, R has a high body count (not like Jason doesn't) for a civilian. They've manipulated Jason, but they love him in their own way.

You truly hit it out of the park with this. Your fics are always a treasure to behold, but I love the way this feels, the way it reads. Thank you for writing a part 2. You definitely didn't need to write it (unless you wanted to), but you did and I'm forever grateful we got a part 2 and an in-depth look at the relationship you teased in part 1. Have a good week!! (Side note but I always write these little asks in my phone's notes app, and this took 9 pages for the note. Oh my gosh.)

I’m getting so emotional that you wrote a 9-page love letter about a fic that I wrote.

From the beginning, I knew I wanted to start with the death of Lucy Nesbit because it communicates to the audience that really anything is on the table. It seems like I just can’t resist writing friends-to-lovers with Jason, so they are childhood friends, and in a way this sparks Reader’s possessiveness of him. I meant for Lucy to be the ex-Diamond District daughter, so that Reader’s later hatred for rich Gothamites getting away with terrible things makes sense.

The ethics of crime fighting in Gotham are so complicated, so with Reader I wanted to explore one way a civilian who has very little power might react. What does she do? Reader becomes a serial killer! She’s exactly the type of criminal Jason would stop permanently, and she knows this. Before Jason reappears, she is starting to slip and going after people for the power killing makes her feel; it becomes less about making the world better and more about making her feel better. With Jason, her (admittedly hazy) sense of right and wrong comes back into focus. Loving each other makes them both worse while making them both feel better, and isn’t that a helluva drug? When I was writing it, I didn’t intentionally make parallels between Reader and Bruce but now you’ve pointed them out I’m going to pretend that was my intention all along 😅. For Reader, manipulation is her way of loving Jason but that’s also the same trait in Bruce that she hates.

Thank you for taking the time to share such long, detailed comments. I love hearing your thoughts and reactions, they’re such a treat for me.

#sweet words for sunnie

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ao3feed-brucewayne · 1 year ago

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It Takes More Than a Bat to Kill God

read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/ocs7F0N by FilingCabinetofCuriosities John Constantine was not prepared to deal with a kid passing out in front of his residence. So, he pawns the kid off on serial adopter Batman (cough cough) Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne hates Magic. He would prefer it stays outside of Gotham and away from him, thank you. Unfortunately, he can't just leave a heavily injured teenager on their own. His kids are going to make so much fun of him for this. The previously mentioned teenager is having a bad day. Bad week? Month? Life? All he knows is that he would rather not be caught by that cult again. Words: 1382, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English Fandoms: Batman - All Media Types, DCU, Justice League - All Media Types Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Major Character Death Categories: Gen Characters: Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, Cassandra Cain, Duke Thomas, Kon-El | Conner Kent, Billy Batson, John Constantine, Original Characters, Rogues Gallery (Batman), Barbara Gordon, Stephanie Brown, Justice League (DCU) Relationships: Batfamily Members & Batfamily Members (DCU), Batfamily Members & Original Character(s), Cassandra Cain & Tim Drake & Dick Grayson & Duke Thomas & Jason Todd & Bruce Wayne & Damian Wayne, Batfamily Members & Rogues Gallery (Batman) Additional Tags: Original Character(s), Bruce Wayne Tries to Be a Good Parent, Jason Todd Tries to Be a Good Sibling, Everyone Has Issues, Good Sibling Dick Grayson, Damian Wayne is Bad at Feelings, Bruce Wayne is Bad at Feelings, Lex Luthor is Kon-El | Conner Kent's Parent, Duke Thomas is a Batfamily Member, Swearing, Canon-Typical Violence, Selectively Mute Cassandra Cain, John Constantine is a Mess, Cults, Religious Cults, Alternate Universe, Family Bonding, Fluff and Angst, Implied/Referenced Character Death, Sentient Gotham City, DC stands for Disregard Canon, yes beta but we still die like jason todd, my beta reader is illiterate and rabid, Bruce Wayne has an adoption problem read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/ocs7F0N

#IFTTT #bruce wayne #batman #the caped crusader #the dark knight #dcu #ao3 #ao3feed

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yourlocal-edgelord · 7 months ago

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If u send me or if i find a bruce wayne rp account and imma hit that man up begging him to adopt me

gunna send him my whole ass resume

#Heh #waiting to be taken in tho #Adopt me brucie #pleas #bruces serial adoption issues #batfam #batfamily #bruce wayne #bruces adoption addiction #Take me innn #I wanna enter that chaos #I’d seriously win ikea hide and seeks

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coloredsnowo · 2 years ago

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i like to think that in the reversed ages au as Bruce gets more children Damian becomes more aware of the fact he has a serial adoption issue.

Damian: Bruce why is there a random child in our house did yo-

Dick: My parents died :(

Damian: goddammit Bruce not agai-

#batkids reversed ages au #batkids #batfam #dick grayson #damian wayne #bruce wayne #batman #dc

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arabian-batboy · 3 years ago

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Say, at some point I would like to do a 3 Misconceptions About Damian' episode, but haven't read as much of his stuff as I have say, Steph's, would you have any recommended for issues to address or relevant issues?

Thank you so much for considering asking me! I love your videos so much and I'm happy that you're finally doing a video on Damian, to be honest I don't interact with casual fans/normies that much because I know they will give me a headache, so I may not be that knowledgable about how they view Damian. From what I have seen, the majority of Damian's misconceptions come from his very first appearance and the DCAMU, people don't bother keeping up with his stories and thus they missed his character journey and assumes that he's still the same kid he was from "Batman and Son."

To name a few, Damian isn't some eugenicist who think he's superior to everyone because he has Bruce's blood nor does he go around announcing that he's "the blood son!" every 5 minutes (I'm pretty sure that phrase is a DCAMU-exclusive thing and he never actually said it in the comics), I can probably count all the times he said or hinted that he's more of Bruce's child than his adopted siblings because he's the biological son on one hand only and yes, most of them are from his early appearances, matter of fact, Damian has stopped putting Bruce on a pedestal after like 1 week of living with him really. This misconception probably comes from DC heavily promoting him as Batman's son (so if anything, THEY are the adoption-hating eugenicist here) but most of the time he just says he's Batman's son without putting emphasis on his blood or belittling his adopted siblings (You can make this another point or keep it as an additional note, but Damian DOES view his adopted siblings as his real siblings and has referred to Dick as his brother to his face before without any problems, he's just shy and needs time to do that to the rest)

The 2nd thing that comes to mind is that he's not a bloodthirsty serial killer, whenever someone explains Damian's backstory and mention that he was raised from birth in the League of Assassins to someone, they will get this misconception that he's some sociopath that loves to kill, when in reality Damian at best was only "indifferent" about killing before joining the Batfamily. He has been killing since birth, so obviously he would be desensitized to it by now (not all the time though, him killing Goliath's family is an example of the straw that broke the camel's back imo) but Damian has never ever showed any joy in killing people, to him it was basically doing chores and his duty as the grandson of Ra's al Ghul, but it was never something that he genuinely loved or believed would make the world a better place. (I talked about this more here: https://arabian-batboy.tumblr.com/post/163803151491/whats-the-difference-between-jason-killing-people)

The 3rd point would be Damian's great intellect that is always overlooked, due to the "being raised by assassins" backstory and how rude (in an endearing way of course) he can be to others, a lot of people assumes that Damian is just a killing-machine brat and sometime would even call him "feral" which I absolutely hate. Damian had one of the most sophisticated upbringing in the DC's universe, yes he was definitely abused there's no denying that, but he was also almost the "prince" of the LOS. He had the best tutors, the best clothes and the best food growing up. His knowledgeable and skills are way beyond his years in so many field from music, languages, medicine, machinery and business. Whatever you can think of, he was probably taught about it, yet people always downplay him into a demonic brat who wants to fight everyone (I spoke more about that here: https://arabian-batboy.tumblr.com/post/669044306245468160/scooby-doo-is-best-robin-some-of-yall-dance-and)

I hope all of that helps, I probably could have added more, but I just woke up and these 3 points are the first thing that came to my mind. Looking forward to the video!

#Damian Wayne

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zorilleerrant · 8 days ago

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I feel like omegaverse gives us a unique opportunity to explain why Alfred got custody of Bruce, especially if they weren't particularly close beforehand (also potentially an interesting dynamic). Because if he's an omega, but he either never had kids or got cut off from his kids, he could instantly bond with a newly orphaned child. If they're bonded already, it would be incredibly traumatic for anyone to try to take Bruce away!

I think the idea of an omega instantly bonding with orphaned pups would make a lot of sense, because then they would feed and shelter them in the wild. Maybe alphas are more likely to form this kind of bond with older kids (teens) because they need protection more than they need nurturing. Maybe bonded pairs would do this more easily, but Alfred was closest - or maybe a nascent bond forms just by people being in close enough proximity to each other (or pups specifically) and it was more natural for Alfred.

This is probably a known phenomenon, but rare in the modern world. History and mythology is probably full of it (especially Romulus and Remus, whew!) but, aside from lots of soap opera arcs, most people don't encounter it. Still, society might be very concerned about omegas being pre-school and elementary school teachers, but likewise concerned about alphas being middle school and high school teachers. Maybe betas would be the most sought after teachers all throughout! Or maybe betas instinctively bond with kids just going through puberty, because they need more guidance through it than any other age, and so they aren't allowed to teach middle school in case it causes issues.

This could be especially interesting with Bruce's serial adoption, because orphaning a kid breaks the bond, but neglect might erode it slowly over a long period. Maybe the bonds are weak. Maybe, despite strong emotional connections on both sides, the kids and parents just don't spend enough time together to strengthen the bond. Maybe the kid only has one kind of bond, not all three.

I think omega!Alfred could also have been Bruce's wetnurse (especially if you want to queer Martha and Thomas), which might form a latent bond, or else just make him care more. In that case, you'd probably lean more into the nanny thing, making him explicitly a nanny rather than a butler. But I think if you want to explore his permissive attitude towards Batman, the common omega attitude of trying to spoil the pups might do something!

Question, have you found many fics where Alfred is anything but a Beta and if there are not a lot (which I suspect) does this not feel like a missed opportunity?

I’ve seen a few where he was a weak(er) alpha, leaning more towards beta but still alpha enough to be given Bruce’s custody etc. I’ve also seen a few where he pretends to be an alpha or a more alpha alpha for the same reason. I think I’ve only seen one fic ever where he was an omega and it was a passing mention.

It’s an interesting question. I think he’s firmly beta for most people because of his caretaking role in canon. He’s not the strongest personality in the room but everyone listens to him. That fits a lot of typical beta characteristics. You’d really have to make an argument for other dynamics, but it’s not impossible in my book.

#look I said something

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bitimdrake · 4 years ago

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Rounding up my old analysis posts for reference. I read comics chronologically. I made a google doc with my reading order.

General tags for:

all my dc posts

comic reference

canon vs fanon

all dc meta (mine & other's)

timeline specific

⭐ fic recs

Timelines, Reading Orders & Comic Recs:

Recommendations for comics to buy

Post-Crisis Batfamily timeline

✨ Post-Crisis Batkid Canon Ages/Age Differences ✨

Post-Crisis Dick Grayson timeline

Comic recs for Dick Grayson

Post-Crisis, post-resurrection Jason reading order/timeline

Post-Crisis Stephanie Brown timeline & reading order

Infinite Crisis breakdown

First pass at a timeline of New 52 Batfamily backstory and ages

(Teen) Titans Reading Order & Guide

Young Justice Reading Order

General Bat Things

Fanon vs canon

What do the Bats call each other?

Dead Robins Club

Who made the Bat-naming scheme?

Batkids calling (or not calling) Bruce dad

Alfred is flawed

Other relatives of the batfam

The Killing Joke is bad but Oracle’s origin isn’t

Which bats can cook?

Wealth =/= Fame

[batkid-specific meta, bruce is abusive, and non-bat meta below]

Cass, Dick, Tim, Jason...

Gifted kid Cassandra Cain

Was Dick welcoming to Cass and Steph?

That time Dick killed the Joker & Bruce resuscitated him

Design of the Nightwing suit

Dick would save villain’s lives

Dick & Tim are similar

Introvert Dick / Slight extrovert Tim

Dick with Jason -> Dick with Tim

Tim's relationships with Damian, Jason, and Cass (ft comic recs)

How do Tim & Bruce go from War Games to adoption?

bonus: Tim & Bruce never talk about their issues

Jack Drake

Tim's canonical childhood

bonus: Tim didn't take pictures of Batman and Robin

Tim Drake, the relatable one

Is Tim a serial cheater? (i.e. actually, he's a terrible boyfriend in other ways)

What are Tim’s insecurities?

Tim not meaning to be a vigilante forever

Did Tim rescue Bruce from time single-handedly? (no, others helped)

Tim and school

When did Babs learn Tim’s identity?

Steph and Babs aren’t Bruce’s kids

The moral high ground of Under the Hood

Does Jason hurt kids?

The Lazarus Pit’s influence on Jason

Should Jason have a autopsy scar? (no)

Let Jason be contradictory

New 52 Jason is boring okay

Bruce is a bad parent guys

Bruce is an abusive parent

and expanding on examples of taking it out of context

and following up on why i say “realistic”

Bruce being abusive in grief

Different abuse for different kids

And more on Jason and Cass

And Bruce’s treatment of Stephanie

Bruce’s looping character arc

Bruce before and after Dick left

Making Jason’s death about himself

Non-Bat miscellany

Listen to my unpopular but Correct opinions about Clark and Kon (and maybe listen to them again)

How Cyborg became a planet

What color is the Lazarus Pit?

Side effects of the Lazarus Pit

Superhero identities overall

ideas and AUs and theorizing

What if Tim died like Jason?

What if Dick did die in Infinite Crisis?

and then what if Tim became Batman (and it was bad)

What if Tim died in Red Robin #12

#*#*dc #i want some easy clickin' for myself too #sorting this out now i can't believe i don't have any analysis posts on steph or dami worthy of linking #eta I can't believe this has gotten so long i feel compelled to do a read more

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scorpionyx9621 · 3 years ago

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Do you think Jason Todd fandom is kinda toxic? Because it seems like NO MATTER what DC do, there'll always be complains. Forget the bad adaptation like Titans. Even Judd Winick cannot escape the criticism with how he potrayed Robin!Jason. They just never satisfied.

SORRY, IT TOOK ME SO LONG TO RESPOND TO THIS. I just moved from Washington D.C. to Seattle, which, for my non-American friends, that's 4442km away. And I DROVE THERE ALL BY MYSELF. And now I'm trying to find new work in a new city and trying to stay mentally healthy and positive. Life is exciting but hard and scary.

*sighs*

As someone who was a fandom elder with V*ltr*n. I've seen some of the worst when it comes to fandom behavior. I'm talking people baking food with shaving razors and trying to give them to the showrunners. I'm talking leaking major plot details and refusing to take it down unless they make their ship canon (I am looking at you, Kl*nce stans) For the most part, DC Comics has had a decades-long reputation of treating their fans like trash and not caring what they think so from what I've seen, we all just grumble and complain in our corners of the internet about how we don't like how X comic portrays Jason Todd.

The challenge with Jason Todd is that he's your clinical anti-hero, the batfamily's Draco in Leather Pants, he's a jerkass woobie, and on top of all of that, he's a Tumblr sexyman. It's a perfect storm for a very fun but frustrating character to be a fan of. It doesn't help that every writer decides to re-invent the wheel every time Jason comes up so his canon lore is confusing at best and inconsistent as a standard.

I guess starting with a general brief on who Jason is and what is uniform about him with every instance he's appeared in comics/media.

Grew up in a poor family in Gotham with a dad who was a petty-mid-level criminal, and a mother who dies of a drug overdose.

Survives on the street on his own by committing petty crimes and potentially even engaging in sexual acts to keep himself alive.

Is cornered by Batman and taken in after Dick Grayson quits/is fired

Becomes the second Robin, but is known for being the harsher, more brutal Robin.

Is killed by Joker after being tortured, but somehow comes back to life and regains senses through the Lazarus Pit

Resolves himself to be better than Batman by basically being Batman but kills people.

Where there has been a lot of conflict in the fandom is the fact that Jason Todd is not a character that is written consistently. DC Comics loves to go with the narrative that Jason was "bad from the start" and was the "bad robin" when, yes, he has trouble controlling his anger, but he also still is just as invested in seeing the best of Gotham City and trying to be a positive change for the world as any other DC Comics hero.

Where I get frustrated with the fandom is its ability to knit-pick every detail of a comic they don't like while completely disregarding everything that makes the comics great and worth it to read. My example being Urban Legends. To which most people had pretty mixed reactions to. I was critical of the comic at first but as it went along I ended up really liking it. I have a feeling DC Comics went to Chip Zdarsky and told him he had 6 issues to bring Jason back into the Bat Family, and honestly he didn't do a bad job. Did it feel rushed? Absolutely. I wish there was more development of Jason and Bruce's characters and their dynamic as a whole. However, where I see a lot of people being angry and upset with Urban Legends is that they feel Zdarsky needlessly wrote Jason as an incompetent fool who needs Bruce to save him.

Whether or not that was the intention of Zdarsky is up to debate. However, and this may be controversial, but I don't think he wrote Jason Todd out of character at all. For as fearsome, intimidating, and awesome as Red Hood is. Jason is a character who is absolutely driven by his emotions. Why do you think he donned the role of Red Hood? As a response to his anger towards The Joker for killing him, and towards Bruce for not taking action against The Joker and for seemingly replacing him so quickly after he died. Jason didn't care about being the murderous Robin Hood or for being the bloody hammer of justice against N*zi's and P*d*ph*les. He only cared originally about making The Joker and Bruce pay. It wasn't until he trained under the best assassins in the world and realized most of them were horrific criminals who trafficked children and were p*dos that Talia began to realize that the teachers that she sent Jason to train under started dying horrific and painful deaths.

The entire story of the Cheer story in Batman Urban Legends was started because it finally forced some consequences upon Jason. Tyler, aka Blue Hood's father was a drug dealer who gave his supply to his wife and kids. And when Tyler's father admitted he gave the drugs to Tyler, it immediately made him fall within the self-imposed philosophical kill-list of Jason Todd. And Jason, well, he proceeds to kill Tyler's father. When this happens, Jason is in shock. Tyler's dad fit the bill to easily and justifiably be killed by Jason. We've never seen Jason having to deal with the consequences of being a murderous vigilante on a micro-level. When Jason realizes what he's done in that he's murdered Tyler's dad, he's shocked. He tells Babs the truth. He does a rational thing because he's in shock. He doesn't know what to do, he never has had to face the consequences of his actions as Red Hood and now the gravity of befriending a child as a vigilante hero who kills people just set in when he killed the father of the same child he was just introduced to.

(Oh here's a little aside because it had to be said, Jason would not have been a good father or a good mentor to Tyler and absolutely should not have been his new Robin. Jason is a man who is in his early 20's (not saying men in their early 20's can't be good fathers at all) who is a brutal serial killer using the guise of a vigilante anti-hero to let him escape most of the law. the complications of having the man who murdered your father adopt you and make you his sidekick are way too numerous for me to explain in a long-winded already heavy Tumblr essay post. There's a reason why we don't advocate for a story where Joe Chill adopted Bruce Wayne or one where Tony Zucco took in Dick Grayson.)

The next biggest argument is that they feel that Jason is giving up his guns as a means to just be invited back into the Bat-Family. To which I will tell anyone who has that argument to go actually read Urban Legends. Already have and still have that argument? Please re-read it. Don't want to? That's okay, I will paste the images from the comic where Jason specifically says that he doesn't want to give up his weapons for Bruce and his real reasoning down below since the comic isn't exactly readily accessible.

Jason gave up the guns because he felt the gravity of what he had done and knows how it'll effect Tyler. Thankfully his mom is alive and in recovery. But Tyler doesn't have a father anymore. And Jason killed Tyler's father. It may have been in accordance to Jason's philosophy, but it was a case where it blurred the lines. Jason Todd isn't a black and white character, just very dark gray. He doesn't kill aimlessly like the Joker. If you are on Jason's list you probably have done something pretty horrific, and also just in general, being in his way or being a threat to him. Mind you, in early days of Red Hood and the Outlaws (Image below) Jason almost killed 10 innocent civilians in a town in Colorado all because they saw him kill a monster. That being said, Jason isn't aimless in his kills.

(Also can we just take a moment to appreciate Kenneth Rocafort's art? DC Comics said we need to rehabilitate Jason Todd's image and Kenneth Rocafort said hold my beer: It's so SO GOOD)

That being said, the key emphasis in the story of Cheer asides from trying to introduce Jason Todd back into the Bat Family and give an actual purpose for him being there, other than him just kind of being there ala Bowser every time he shows up for Go Kart racing, Tennis, Golf, Soccer, and the Olympic games when Mario invites him, is that Jason and Bruce ultimately both want the same thing. Jason wants to be welcomed back into the family and to be loved and appreciated. Bruce want's Jason back as his son and wants to love and protect Jason. Both of these visions are shown in the last chapter of Cheer while under the effect of the Cheer Gas. It's ultimately this love and appreciation they both have for each other that helps them overcome their challenge and win.

Jason Todd is a character who, just like Bruce, has been through so much pain and so much hate in his life. The two are meant to parallel each other. While Bruce chose to see the best in everyone, giving every rogue in his gallery the option to be helped and give them a second chance, hence why he never kills, Jason has a similar view on wanting to protect the public, but he understands that some crimes are so heinous they cannot be forgiven, or that some habitual criminals are due to stay habitual criminals, and need to be put down. But at the end of the day, the two of them both try to protect people in their own ways.

I am aware that through the writings of various DC Comics authors such as Scott Lobdell and Judd Winick, the two have had a very tumultuous relationship. And rightfully so, I am by no means saying that Scott Lobdell writing an arc where Bruce literally beats Jason to within an inch of his life in Red Hood and the Outlaws, nor Judd Winick's interpretation of Under the Red Hood where Bruce throws the Batarang at Jason's neck, slicing his throat and leaving him ambiguously for dead at the end of the comic is appropriate considering DC Comics seems to be trying everything they can to integrate Jason back into the family. That being said, a lot of these writings have shaped the narrative of Jason and Bruce's relationship and have an integral effect on the way the fandom views the two. It doesn't help that Zdarsky acknowledged Lobdell's life-beating of Jason by Bruce at the very end of Cheer by having Bruce give Jason his old outfit back as a means of mending the fence between the two of them. That does complicate a lot of things in terms of how they are viewed by the fandom and helps to cause an even greater divide between the two.

Regardless, I want to emphasize the fact that Jason Todd is a part of the family of his own accord. Yes, he's quite snarky and deadpan in almost every encounter. However, Jason is absolutely a part of the family and has been for a while of his own will. There's a great moment in Detective Comics that emphasizes this. Jason cares about his family because it is his found family. Yes, they may be warry about him and use him as a punching back and/or heckle him. At the end of the day, we're debating the family dynamics of a fictional playboy billionaire vigilante whose kleptomania took the form of adopting troubled children and turning them into vigilante heroes. Jason Todd wants a family that will love and support him. This is a key definition of his character at its most basic. This was proven during the events of Cheer and is being reenforced by DC Comics every time they get the opportunity to do so.

Now, none of this is to say that I hate Judd Winick. I do not, I don't like the fact that in all of his writings of Jason, he just writes him as a dangerous psychopath, and Winick himself admits to seeing Jason as nothing much more than a psychopath. Yet Winick is the one who the majority of the fandom clings to as the one true good writer of Jason Todd because 'Jason was competent, dangerous, smart' Listen, friends, Jason is all of that and I will never deny it. However, what I love about Jason isn't that he's dangerously smart of that writers either write him as angsty angry Tumblr sexyman bait or that they write him as an infantile man child with a gun. There's a large contention of this fandom that has an obsession with Jason Todd being this vigilante gunman who is hot and sexy and while I definitely get the appeal. It is very creepy and downright disturbing that all of you hyperfixate on his use of guns and ability to be a murderer. It is creepy and I'm not necessarily here for it.

What I love about Jason Todd is that despite all of the pain, all of the heartache, all of the betrayal, and bullying, and death, and anguish. Jason Todd is one of the most loving and supportive characters in all of DC Comics. Jason has been through so much in his life, but he still chooses to love. He still chooses to see the bright side in people. Yes, he takes a utilitarian approach and chooses to kill certain villains, but at the end of the day he wants to see a better world, and he wants to be loved. It takes so much courage and so much heart to learn to love again after one has been abused or traumatized. I would not blame Jason at all if he said fuck it and just went full solo and vigilante evil. He has every right to, but he still chooses to be with the Bat Family of his own accord. That's something that I see a lot of in myself. I have been through a lot of trauma and yet I try to be a better person myself in any way that I can. It is extremely admirable of Jason to allow love back into his heart when he really doesn't need to. He kills and he protects because he has this love of society. It may have been shaped by anger and hatred, but Jason has found his place amongst people who love him and value him. I think Ducra, from Red Hood and the Outlaws put it best in the image given below.

To end this tangent, I love Jason Todd and all of his sexy dangerousness, but it's far more than that. As much as Jason may be dangerous and snarky, he loves his family without a shadow of a doubt. I look up to Jason Todd because despite all of his pain and all of his trauma, he still choses to love. Jason Todd is a character who is someone I love because despite all of his flaws and having a very toxic fandom, he still serves as a character filled with so much heart and so much passion. I wish more writers would understand that. But for now I will live with what I have. Even though the fandom may be vocal about it's hatred for his characterization, I choose to love Jason regardless because he is a character who chooses love and acceptance regardless of his pain. Jason Todd is by no means a good person in any sense of the word. He has easily killed upwards of 100 people by now. He is a character who is flawed and complex but ultimately is one who powers forwards and finds love and heart in a place from so much pain and anguish. That is what I love about Jason Todd. After all, to quote a famous undead robot superhero, "What is grief, if not love persevering?" Jason Todd chooses to love despite all of the trauma and pain and grief. Yes, he is hardened in his exterior, but inside there is a man with a lot of love to give and someone who deserves the world in my eyes.

#Long post GOD #Jason Todd #Red Hood #Bat Family #Batman #red hood and the outlaws #RHATO #RH:O #Batman Urban Legends #Red Hood Lost Days #TW Voltron #TW Death #tw murder #TW Klance #Gotta love how i am pouring my heart out onto jason AND calling out the Voltron fandom #Regardless love Jason Todd people

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j3ssisam3ss · 4 years ago

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This idea won’t leave me alone...

In short: A Dickinette/BioDad!Bruce/Enemies to Lovers fic featuring:

Marinette “If God gave me strength you’d all be dead” Dupain-Cheng

Dick “Don’t make me use my Batman voice” Grayson

Tim “Give me coffee or give me death” Drake-Wayne

Damian “I’ll gladly give you death” Al Ghul-Wayne

Jason “It’s not trauma it’s humor, quit looking at me like that” Todd.

I can’t write a Dickinette fic at the same time that I’m writing a BioDad!Dick fic. I just can’t. But this idea won’t get out of my brain, so here I am writing it down and hoping it’ll leave me alone after this.

Marinette finds out she’s Bruce Wayne’s biological daughter when she’s summoned to Gotham for the reading of his will.

Because apparently the universe can’t give her even a single month to deal with the fact that her boss was a secret supervillain. Or the fact that the partner that had betrayed her, attacked her, sexually assaulted her, repeatedly, was the same guy she’d spent years crushing on.

It’s fine though. She’s fine. She’s not fine. No trauma or trust issues here.

She’s expecting money from her absentee father, maybe a cool car or something. Instead, she’s made co-CEO of a multi-billion dollar company and co-guardian of two kids.

Because apparently her biological father was something of a serial adopter. Apparently, he had no interest in reaching out to her, but adopted four boys and served as a mentor or guardian to countless other kids. She’s not bitter about that. Really, she’s not. She is.

Nevertheless, dealing with things she didn’t sign up for is practically Marinette’s calling card by now, so she takes to running Wayne Enterprises and raising her siblings like a duck to the water. Half the WE employees jumped ship after Bruce’s death? Not a problem, she’ll bring in new hires and inspire cult-like loyalty with her professionalism and efficiency. Her kids charges (and the rest of the Wayne family) moonlight as Gotham’s vigilantes? We’ve all been there. She starts immediately on new suits - ones that will have some magical extra protection and won’t make her barf every time she looks at them. The dead sibling is actually alive and just as salty with Bruce and his family as she is? She’ll make friends with him and force a reconciliation sweeter than the macaroons she used to bribe him.

The only issue she can’t solve is one Richard John Grayson. As Bruce Wayne’s far too attractive eldest ward - not son, apparently that’s a sore spot - the executors of Bruce’s will have named him her partner in this whole kid-raising, business-running mess. Which would be fine, except for the fact that he seems to have made it his life’s mission to oppose anything and everything she suggests or does. Marinette is running a fashion empire, trying to teach centuries-old monks what the internet is, raising two kids, and leading a multinational corporation. She doesn’t have time for this nonsense. And yet it’s her problem.

And then Gotham decides that she and Dick are in love and everything gets so much worse. Is it too late to take the Miracle Box and fake her own death?

Dick, on the other hand, has spent the last six years trying to break out of the shadow of Batman and Bruce Wayne alike.

With Bruce’s death, it feels like he’s taken three steps forward and fifty backwards. He’s twenty-four. He’s a police officer, with hopes of becoming a detective. He’s not prepared to run a multi-billion dollar company. Not prepared to raise his siblings. Not prepared to abandon his identity as Nightwing to become the Caped Crusader.

And yet, he has to. Because Tim and Damian need him. Because family comes first. Because it would destroy his siblings to become Batman. It will destroy him too.

When the court introduces Marinette Dupain-Cheng as Bruce’s biological daughter and his partner in sibling-raising and company-wrangling, his immediate reaction is relief. Maybe now he can get a little sleep. Maybe Damian will actually listen to her and will have a semi-normal childhood. Maybe she’ll be able to convince Tim to ingest something other than coffee. Maybe he won’t have to completely give up being Nightwing. Maybe between him, Tim, and Marinette they’ll be able to convince the world that yes, two young adults and a kid can run a successful business. Maybe one day she’ll grace him with a date.

These dreams are brought to a screeching halt when Dick realizes: Marinette Dupain-Cheng has no understanding of what a partnership entails.

She speaks for both of them to the board, to the media, to the kids, without so much as asking his opinion. She makes decisions and changes and informs him when it’s too late to protest. When he tries to bring it up, she gives him an innocent look of confusion and changes the subject. It’s infuriating maddening frustrating. Somehow, he’s doing more work trying to keep up with her than when he was running WE by himself.

And that’s not even getting started on the secrets she’s keeping. Her personality is all sunshine in public, but at home she’s as cynical and distrustful as Bruce himself. He hears voices coming from her room when she claims to be asleep. She has too many skills that don’t match with her background or age. Skills like disarming a gunman before the security guards even realize he’s there. Like successfully running a multinational corporation with no prior experience. Like knowing exactly how to deal with the media, despite being raised as a baker’s daughter.

Dick is taking on the mantle of Batman, raising his siblings, trying to learn how to run a multi-billion dollar company, and making regular appearances as Nightwing. He doesn’t have time to deal with this drama. And yet it’s his problem.

And then Gotham decides that he and Marinette are in love and everything gets so much worse. Is it too late to dump Bruce’s body in the Lazarus Pits and force him to deal with this mess?

@maribatmarch-2k21

Maribat March - Day 23 - Enemies to Lovers

#maribat #fic ideas #dickinette #marinette is so done #cynical marinette #guardian marinette #dick grayson is batman #everyone is traumatized #just realized this works for MaribatMarch #MaribatMarch2021

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robxstar · 4 years ago

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Is Richard Grayson actually a “playboy”/promiscuous/womanizing persona in comic canon as fanfiction often portrays?

So that’s... complicated to answer because Comics Canon Is Weird and the whole nature of the medium and the collaborative writing means that you’ll get widely different answers from different people.

I can really only give you my perspective.

So in New Teen Titans, the 80s comic run that basically popularized the character and made Dick Grayon into the Nightwing we all know and love, Dick was very much a serial monogamist. He may have had several girlfriends, but he was always 100% devoted and loyal to them when he was with them. This was SUPER obvious in his relationship with Kory. He was partly reluctant to pursue things with her because his previous relationship (a college girl who was either a vampire or part of a vampire cult that used him and tried to kill him) had ended badly, and when Dick Grayson gets himself into a relationship he commits fully to it. So he didn’t want to be hurt again (plus a host of Bat-hangups) so he stalled for the longest time.

But then he Committed, and he was pretty much devoted to Kory through the rest of the New Teen Titans run. It was even a source of friction between them a couple times because of her arranged marriage to Karras (even though Karras was insistent the marriage was political only and was perfectly willing to let Kory be with Dick, Dick was reluctant to have a relationship with another man’s wife) and also that one time Raven thought she was in love with him and tried to brainblast him into loving her back (he freaked out about it and told Kory and insisted on telling Raven to back off, even though Kory was willing to be accommodating with some type of open relationship). Oh and the... time that Mirage disguised herself as Kory and committed Rape By Fraud on him. Yeah that was whole ass mess, but it did emphasize, again, Dick is a one-woman man and Kory was that woman.

Nightwing fell into a bit of a continuity limbo for a little bit until they brought him to Bludhaven for the 2000s solo run and I think this is where the problems with “Playboy!Dick” started. The writers and artists made two mistakes, I think.

One, they tried too much to make Dick “Batman lite”. The scum-ridden city, the glamorous double-life, cycling through a girl of the week every issue. Bruce is way more of a playboy than Dick was ever supposed to be, because he’s generally considered too devoted to the mission to make serious commitments and he had prior history of being a frivolous playboy and that’s his entire ass cover. Batwriters struggle with realizing the idea behind Dick Grayson was that Bruce took him in and raised him so he wouldn’t become like Batman. They like to make Dick a little too much of a shadow clone of his adopted father, just smileyer and chattier, and that’s a disservice to his character growth.

Two, they realized Dick was fanservice bait and made some kind of assumption that because he’s so attractive he must get all the ladies. Which, yes, ladies are attracted to him, and yes most of the time he’s not really interested but he’s not an ass about it. He’s very respectful. He doesn’t lead girls on if he’s not into them. He doesn’t play with hearts. So this weird kind of “Oh you dog!” playful flirty womanizing persona is a misplaced assumption based on the fact that He’s Hot, therefore must have game, therefore must be a player. And unfortunately this is a retcon that has stuck, both in fanon characterizations of him and less-than-great canon runs and other materials. (I was super pissy that Young Justice took this characterization route with him, among the other reasons I hated that version of Nightwing.)

For me, the womanizer!Dick characterization is untrue to the roots of the character. It’s a stale idea, it’s boring, it’s tasteless, it’s led to some terribly OOC moments and quite frankly I just don’t like it. So I reject any and all versions of Dick that use it.

In simpler terms, yes, the playboy Dick persona is technically comic canon but it’s terrible canon and we throw in the trash heap.

#asks #text #dick grayson #nightwing #robin #DC comics #new teen titans #meta #meta: character or ship analysis #Young Justice #bruce wayne #batman

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