#bramblestar is abusive

[loulou3010]

To anyone who is sensitive to this subjet pls do not read this .(By the photos you may understand that this is about squirelflight's relationship with bramblestar )so here we go bramblestar is just absusive .He doesn't care about her feeling ,he treats her like an apprentice ,he is nice to her for a short period of time and then again abusive bramblestar time ! . Squirelflight escaped death so she could be with him and save him from ashfur and what does get back !!? Abusive bramblestar time again !!.You know ehat i hate about him the most ? You remember how energetic and happy squirelflight was when she was an apprwntice .With bramblestar she is apologetic trying to please him .The only thing i like is that she always ends up going behind his back and doing the right thing .If know my profile you know how much i love squirelflight so i just wish she will become leader and get rid of that stupid furball .I WANT her to be haooy again (just like in the photo of my prifile picture ) thanks for listening to what i have said and have a good night /day

[jackisbored]

I've never seen someone be so wrong, Kate Cary hates Squirrelflight and loves Brambleclaw

[thunderc1an]

red fur.

[bonefall]

God I am so tired of Bramble fans who refuse to use critical thinking and believe that brambleclaw and squilf are equally bad. Many also hate on moonkitti's video which they most likely haven't even watched or misconstrued points in it. You can like a character without defending all their actions please I'm begging you

And people will sometimes jump to their defense, saying that people just dogpiled them for liking a character the fandom doesn't like, and while that can happen, sometimes people are actually dogpiling them for ignoring abuse and insulting creators with different opinions

(Some discourse happened on Twitter recently about this but it's something I've seen happen before, I'm not specifically talking about anyone)

I'm going to be honest and drop my feelings.

Never have I ever actually SEEN a Bramblefan "get dogpiled" for liking Bramble.

I come out here on my massive soapbox every couple of weeks and drop whole essays on this guy, I chat casually about how important he is to me as a character, both as someone who was abused in a way similar to Squirrelflight AND as someone who can relate to Bramblestar's situation, and before BB got so large and my attention was easier to divide I even ran an AU called Sweet Nothings which had a "big brother" Bramble take in it.

There is no shortage of Bramblestar-related posts around here, yet, I have never, NEVER gotten shit for when I talk positively about Bramble.

In fact, he's commonly cited as one of the favorite cats to see on this blog from my audience. I get praise for addressing him with nuance, explaining how his actions are abuse while also keeping him human, talking about how his life is a painful cycle of self-doubt that makes him double down on his worst decisions. Every time I post about him, I get an influx of comments centered around how my takes on him are appreciated.

What I DO see is people who make art where they try to bothsides him and Squirrelflight, or say something completely false about his behavior, or straightup post DARVO tactics to defend their fav's honor. When someone makes a comment that goes "uhmm? Bit strange innit?" they call it "harassment." Or when people block them, they call that "receiving hate."

OR when someone makes a vaguepost like "Heyyy, DARVO is an abuse denial tactic where the abuser or their apologists Deny the abuse took place, Attack the accuser, and then Reverse Victim and Offender to claim they were actually the person harmed. Bramblestans are playing this out, step for step, and that's bad!" they call THAT dogpiling.

Meanwhile Moonkitti got death threats and was actually harassed for posting Bramblestar Is Worse. To the point where she is hesitant to ever make another video on the topic.

So y'know what? Hot take? The stans don't actually like Bramblestar. They like the vague idea of a sadboy character who broke free from his dad's legacy so they slurp up the framing of the notorious abuse apologist writers, and they get mad when people who have critically engaged with the books don't see what they desperately crave.

How can you really LIKE a character if you can't engage with their actions? If you need to surround yourself in an unpoppable bubble and can't accept anything he's done in the 20+ years he's been active? How can you truly love a man without all his mistakes?

It's sooo hard to be me, Tumblr User Bonefall, the ONLY one who likes Bramblestar correctly. It's rough out here.

[booksofstars]

don’t ever let anyone tell you you deserve that.

(teaser image/thumbnail for an upcoming bramblesquirrel pmv)

[uranium-city]

ASC Thunder Spoilers

some of y'all are fuckin weird about Squirrelstar/Brambleclaw

by that I mean the few people that viscerally hate Squirrelstar as if she personally killed their mother, plan to boycott the series until she dies, & are trying to pass off Brambleclaw as a completely innocent, misunderstood, wounded uwu baby with an annoying, naggy wife whose sympathy from the fandom is undeserved.

like i get it's just a fictional series about cats but the way some people try to justify Brambleclaw's abusive traits, claim that Squilf deserved to be mistreated by Bramble for one reason or another, act like those abusive traits aren't actually that bad, that they don't exist, or that they're just normal behavior creates some really horrible implications about the way people recognize & sympathize with those in abusive relationships. they may be fictional cats, sure, but passionately ranting about how badly you want the abuse victim to die & how innocent, misunderstood, & "overhated" the abuser is is very uncomfortable idc.

i'm not saying people can't dislike Squilf or even that they can't like Brambleclaw as a character, but when talking about these very real abusive traits that affect people in real life, if your first reaction is to try to justify them & pretend like they're not actually abusive traits that is genuinely disgusting & has really scary real life implications.

[rookflower]

everybody knows this, this is nothing new, but it is always sooo insane to me that squirrelflight and leafpool were berated and shunned by their community for years and put on a literal hell trial for lying about the kits, but brambleclaw seemingly nearly participated in a plot to kill his leader (his former mentor and his girlfriend's dad) and got away with it completely scot free with no repercussions or suspicion or animosity directed at him for it afterwards. and his entire arc is about how he feels like people are suspicious towards him because of his dad. and nobody actually is suspicious of him. but he fulfills the suspicions anyways by working with his dad, because he feels insecure. and this could potentially be a genuinely interesting character arc if not for the fact that the books are fully convinced he can do no wrong ever and when it comes out that he was working with his dad nothing happens. but when his wife lies to protect her sister it is the worst thing ever in the world and his anger and emotional abuse towards her is completely justified by it. uuurrghhhhhhhhh

[puppiekit]

Maybe I'm going to get some heat for this but people do realize brambleclaw isn't like.... a wife beater, right???....... Dudes an asshole but I swear people act like he's *the worst* character in the entire series. I see people get genuinely agressive over this man, to a degree i never see with other toxic characters in the series. It is kind of ridiculous imo. Like can I please mention his name without 500 people running up to me screaming "THE ABUSER!!!" Like can you fucking chill out. The way people talk about him you'd think he punches women in the face when he's just a pitiful overtly-controlling emotionally manipulate ass... I seriously feel like if I mentioned the fact that he actually has good character qualities I'd be crucified

And well.... sorry for getting heated lol... Only saying this because I've legit been approached aggressively just for mentioning his name in a conversation.... not even about bramble either like why are you yelling at me I'm talking about hollyleaf dawg

[grimeyslimer]

Bramblestar Apologist

Bramblestar Apologist/Stan's are, genuinely, the most disgusting people I've ever encountered. They're just all straight-up abuse apologists, and when you argue against them, they just link to the same pathetic document that one Bramblestar severely exaggerated. There is no winning with these lunatics. They claim that "Bramblestar isn't abusive" and that Bramblestar fans are "nice people," yet recently, a Bramblestar apologist got exposed for being an actual shitperson, and they were (nonsexually) grooming some kid they were in a relationship with and abused the kid,and those mfers were defending the guy. Being a hardcore stan of an abusive character is actually very telling. Y'all need to go to hell and stay away from children. 💀💀

[loulou3010]

Alright so heres a lul drawing of bramblestar squirelflight sparkpelt and larksong.In this drawing sparkpelt and larksong are mates and happily together .On the other hand (or paw) squirelflight is trying to be happy for sparkpelt bcs she found love (and she is happy for her ) but at the same time bramblestar treats her like crowfood and doeswnt respect her opinion .

[sagespirit-wc]

oh yeah on the topic of bramblestar being a pos. i was rewatching moonkitti’s “bramblestar is worse” video the other day and it occurred to me - i don’t think i viewed bramblestar as abusive until i had it spelled out to me like that because i’ve been in similar relationships and didn’t consider them to be abusive. and i think that’s what’s going on with whoever was mostly in charge of writing bramble. i think it’s possible they were in a similar relationship or maybe someone they knew was and it just never occurred to them there was anything wrong with it - that that’s just how some people/relationships are.

the worst part about being in these sorts of relationships is that sometimes no matter how badly you’re treated, you love the person so much (like squilf) that you blame yourself. and even when/if it does occur to you that you’re being treated unfairly, you love the individual so much and can’t imagine not being with them that you’d rather keep being treated this way than be without them.

and honestly this could apply to a LOT of media where the men are abusive but treated as heroes or endgame love interests. the women writing them are writing from experience and they just genuinely can’t fathom that what they’re writing/experiencing is abuse.

[bandtrees]

Annoying fandom people when you tell them characters do things based on writers’ decisions and biases and are not fully autonomous sapient beings they’re watching in a terrarium

[hawkfrosting]

Tw: guilt tripping

People only see squirrelflight's side of the history :/

Bramblestar needs a rest, i'm happy that he's stepping down

[crowcrash]

sometimes i think about squirrelflight/star and get so sad :(

[booksofstars]

https://youtu.be/luzUBIDU9Ww?si=EhPtzJ49rCoPv6jh

[bonefall]

What kind of dishonor titles would the imposter whip up?

Ok so, in BB!TBC, I'm planning to overhaul many of the cats who get exiled. Ashfur IS a... 'competent' leader this time around, and being in his Clan is hell on Earth. But he does know how to run it without exiling everyone who breathes funny.

I think Blossomfall in particular should comment about how much this reminds her of the Kin, only...

"I hate to say this. But Darktail was more calm lol. Ppl would disappear but he didnt call a meeting every 5 minutes he did it"

The way he gives Dishonor Titles is by finding their insecurities and throwing it back at them. The point of DTs is that they're supposed to make you sit with your mistake and they're supposed to be VERY serious, egregious punishments.

But Ashfur is just trying to break his cats and make them not want to defy him. He wants them to hurt.

Cats who will almost definitely get a Dishonor Title:

Blossomfall = Clearface, because she might as well be invisible. No one wants to hear from her, she's worthless

Sparkpelt = Flickercry. To remind her about her failures, remember that she's made worse mistakes than anybody else and should be mindful of how she chooses to criticize others.

Twigbranch = Fumbleclaw. For a hunting mistake, he says she's clumsy and lazy and doesn't deserve to eat from the pile until she learns how to catch her own food

In addition, I can see him really WANTING to give Briarlight a Dishonor Title, but politically, it's too far. She's defiant, loved, a beacon of light that keeps people united. To brand her would be a mistake, it would make her a martyr.

I may rework the Sparkpelt Dog Situation to be his attempt to get rid of Briarlight. I think that would make a MUCH better sendoff to her, dying as a result of the wonderful person she is, instead of the garbage greencough death back in AVoS.