#black psyche locks

[beeorioslol]

guilt in chains

[nyaagolor]

I think my biggest ace attorney hot take is that Kristoph’s black psyche locks not being broken was the best possible decision Takumi could have made

Phoenix trusts people, that’s his whole thing, but i think more importantly he trusts in the truth— that if he can just find that truth and put all the cards down on the table that things will be ok. We see in so many instances that his deeply ingrained savior complex and pursuit of truth often comes back to bite him and hurt himself and others. So honestly, him seeing Kristoph having black psyche locks and being able to accept that he doesn’t have to break them is such a vital step in his character to me

Phoenix doesn’t need the entire truth anymore— he doesn’t need to figure out what makes Kristoph tick. Time and time again Phoenix will not stop until all the dirty laundry is hung out to dry, until he knows the why’s and how’s and everything in between— but for once, with Kristoph, he doesn’t. Kristoph hurt people, and to him, that’s enough

[the-bar-sinister]

Black Psyche locks

Dual destinies and Apollo Justice spoilers under the cut

In Dual Destinies black psyche locks appear in conjuction with a character who has been deluded into believing false memories they are responsible for a murder they didn't commit.

What if it was the same case with Kristoph Gavin?

(this is a watsonian discussion, not a doylist one and is approaching it with the idea that retcons to change the meaning of black psyche locks by the authors are not a thing.)

[badaceattorney]

Case Idea: phoenix asks trucy what she did today at school and he gets five black psyche locks

[mark-the-snark]

Behold:

Harry du Bois if he was in ace attorney! Maybe I'll make Kim sometime.

[happypartytrain]

do you think there’s a reason kristoph only wound up killing fathers? orrrrr

[eleccy]

i need to write the fic where it's a flashback of a time to when kristoph and apollo are investigating something and then in the blink of an eye, something happens that could put apollo in mortal danger, like something's about to fall on him or someone's about to attack him, and then kristoph just instinctually "takes the bullet" for him.

kristoph has big brother instincts that just kick in when he sees klavier or apollo (or trucy, in my mind) specifically in danger and he doesn't even realize he's DONE anything until it's already done, and now maybe HE'S injured or bleeding or whatever. it wasn't a conscious action, it was because he cares for them but doesn't even know that he cares THAT much, enough to go against his most basic paranoid self-preserving instincts (which are incredibly strong motivating forces in him specifically by the way, he always protects himself first) and take a self-sacrificial action.

apollo is just in awe of him after that. his boss is his absolutely his hero. and kristoph is just having a bit of an internal crisis because why did he do that. why put himself in danger like that. why. why. why. why. it disturbs him, deeply. does kristoph really know so little about himself?

[accuratejaney]

"Black Psyche-Locks represent a secret that an individual keeps subconsciously, without even being aware of it."

I think Sissel would have at least some during the game, considering he's forgotten his entire past.

I wonder what he was asked?

Bonus:

[surging-eyes-seeing-through]

If only hanging still existed..though for you, you deserve worse than what the courts allow

You smile as you talk about her death

You relished stabbing her, didn't you?

You loved it.

You killed her and you enjoyed it.

Didn't you?

(To murderpollo)

"I mean... that's the default sentence for murder convictions. That's what it's always been. And... no, I..."

"I... I didn't..."

[thepollyjustice]

If you went back in time to your first trial, would you do anything differently knowing what you do now?

“That’s.. a hard question. If I had my current experience, too?”

“I’d probably try and push for more facts. Perceive more. Weirdly enough, even now, I’ve always felt like..”

“..Like I don’t know everything about that case and the ones related to it. There’s just this feeling that there’s more I need to know about Mr. Gavin, too.

[midnight1nk]

Ink I have a serious case of not being able to stop thinking about Kristoph Gavin and his deal. He was supposed to be the 2nd trilogy's Dahlia the more I think about it!! I mean aaaaaaaaaaaaaahh sdjlksdjhlkdsjdlskjds I'm. so mad rn. I wonder if Klavier knows anything about it but we'll never knoooooow anyways I'm on SOJ at this point, on the Trucy show episode, her crying........ crazy....... they did that to my girl :( . oh also the closest I came to crying so far was definitely Athena's trauma breaking points, like.... god. It was really real I guess?

*grabs you* I KNOW I KNOWWWW

we truly could've had it all. AND KRIS' FUCKIN HAND. augh I wanna shake the executives, we were so ROBBED. And we would never know. Funny enough, me and my old moots were like what if the gavin family was into some demonic shit? like yeah, but what if tho? 👀

anyway *sigh* SOJ I can't exactly say I like this game bc seriously, Phoenix and Trucy met only ONE time and they don't even say hi! what did they do to my wright family? 😭 and the Trucy case hurts so much like my girl naurrrrr. And Athena going through it in DD really did get me too,,,, I felt so bad for her

thanks for the update, nicc!

[anatomical-puppet]

me when i’m in an “introducing a major antagonist whose crimes span across multiple cases and then revealing something at the end of the game that shows they’re a more complex character only to never mention them again” competition and my opponent is the apollo justice trilogy

[people-can-be-tamed]

.......Simon, Do you have any triggers that cause you to display obvious trauma responses?

"...!"

"...I don't know what you mean."

[doyoueverjustwomen]

this is like his singular redeemable quality

[badaceattorney]

Case Idea: you ask someone what they were doing in the bathroom that was taking so long and you get 5 black psyche locks

[muninnhuginn]

Trying to think about what would make Lu Guang open up about going back and am forced to admit that the only times he's in any way opened up in-series are when he's been forced to by outside circumstances beyond his control.

He panics if Cheng Xiaoshi is about to go off plan or he doesn't know what's coming photo-wise, but otherwise is incredibly good at keeping his cool.

That said, the only times he's been "confronted" to any extent so far remain post-earthquake and you could also argue when he was called on his reaction to the idea that powers could be passed on in s2. In these cases, he tends to deliberately underplay his reaction and let others just make their own assumptions. His deflections at present work because no one is truly looking to realise it's what they are. His quietness also absolutely comes to his advantage because his personality doesn't allow him to "slip" in the same way as a more talkative character would. (And doesn't that just make me think about how all the comments about him being "mature" imply he wasn't always like he is now. I doubt it's an entire façade he's putting on, but he has changed irreparably.)

The exception to this is, of course, when Cheng Xiaoshi was shot and he completely lost it. It's not that he's just dead emotionally or anything the rest of the time, but this is the one thing (person) he's sacrificed his beliefs for. And before it got to this stage, there was still some control, but Cheng Xiaoshi getting shot is a double whammy. Not only is Lu Guang no longer in control of the situation (he lost that back when he got stabbed) but if the implication is that Cheng Xiaoshi got shot the first time, then his reaction here is pure instinct. There's no thought in it whatsoever and even after both of them return from the hospital, he's clearly not taking it for granted.

Thinking to season three though. He's still off-kilter for now and Liu Xiao will likely ensure he remains that way. The fact we've been let into Lu Guang's POV now means we'll get to see those cracks that have been forming throughout season two and watch them widening.

Qiao Ling's knowledge is the key. If Lu Guang is to open up properly, it has to be external. Either a danger to Cheng Xiaoshi so potent he's forced to act without thinking or someone actually pushing and not letting him deflect. Someone with enough knowledge to realise that he's deflecting in the first place.