#bc its not actually geto is it its kenjaku
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chiquilines · 3 months ago
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Lord forgive me for not posting lesbianism but they are very special to me
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gojo satoru & geto suguru from jujutsu kaisen vs. uncomfortably numb by american football ft. hayley williams
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dailykugisaki · 11 months ago
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Day 104 | id in alt
*Kugisaki voice* Itadori, your mom is a fucking freak.
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5a-alf · 2 years ago
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So hey I've been obsessed with trigun this bast four months, specifically the '98 version, and obviously vashwood
This couple felt SO familiar to me and i couldn't figure out why
And the other day i had a realization..
Vashwood = Satousugu
Vash is SO Gojo and Geto is Wolfwood, it's so clear now
#trigun and jjk can be so personal to me actually#obviously they have different storylines but its still similar#with VW you have them start out on opposite sides#they always have that impending betrayal waiting for them and its like they are hurling towards it and dont know how to stop#and then wolfwood...well you know#with STSG you have them start on the same side#best friends#they have that banter and amazing dynamic vw has when they are young#they are the strongest and so are vw#but after the mental breakdown it changes obviously#still when kenjaku comes in i think its similar to knives vs vash#in the sense that geto heard gojo voice and did the impossible by trying to protect him even beyond the grave#and that's the same as wolfwood sacrifice#and gojo and vash are both geniuses and DEEPLY caring people that have beeen hurt again and again and again but still try their best#and act as if they are stupid but they arent omg they arent#and geto and wolfwood have kids to protect and would do any kind of shit do protect them#they arent good in an absolute sense (geto especially obv but wolfwood too#he is good bc i love him#but he isnt morally white)#but they but have this inner circle of people for whom they'd do anything and i say anything#they have this ammiration for vash/gojo but also feel inferior/unworthy of them#and more than anything they wanted the other to stop suffering#but were the cause of much suffering themselves#and the consequences of their death is for both gojo and vash the lowest point of their life#vash breaks his rule about killing#and gojo is so stunned that he gets trapped#im feral#also both wolfwood and geto are good with their tongue#i will not accept criticism
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byfulcrums · 1 year ago
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Seeing people saying that Satoru doesn't actually care about Suguru and that the only reason Kenjaku caught him was bc he was surprised to see a person he killed alive is fucking wild, man
Like. Gojo's entire life revolves around Geto. The entire series happens because he loved Suguru too much to kill him, even though he knew he would have to do it eventually. The world literally went to shit because he wasn't over him
Geto Suguru's life would be completely unimportant to the story without Gojo Satoru, and Gojo Satoru's would be completely unimportant without Geto Suguru. They complement each other. They need each other
Two male betta fishes can't coexist. They will fight and one will die. They can't see each other — even if they're in different tanks, they won't be able to live. They'd eventually tire each other out, resulting in death. The only way for Satoru and Suguru's lives to be able to continue without the other would've been for them to never have met at all. And they can't be together. Not now, not ever again. Not while they're still alive. Not after everything that's happened
The entire story revolves around their relationship. Yuuji is a boy who ate a curse('s finger[s]), and Megumi is the prodigy who befriends him. Satoru is a prodigy, the strongest, and Suguru, the boy whose technique is eating curses, befriends him. The Jujutsu Kaisen story is all about parallels and they all connect to fucking Satosugu. It's all about them
The only reason Kenjaku's plan worked is because the body he used didn't belong to some random person Gojo killed, it worked because the body he used was Geto Suguru's, Gojo's one and only, his best friend. He must be thinking “Thank god they're gay” right now lmao
Gojo fucking hesitated. He hesitated multiple times when it came to Geto. He was supposed to kill him, yet he let him go. He has the Six Eyes, he could've easily tracked him down. He probably could tell if he was nearby (he can recognize Suguru from his scent) and just didn't go looking for him. And he could've so very easily escaped the trap that was set up for him, he was going to run away from it because we see him about to take that step but then Suguru's body shows up and says “Yo, Satoru!” with Suguru's voice and Satoru freezes and hesitates
They weren't able to let go of each other even after years of being separated (like a decade). When they meet, Suguru still greets Satoru warmly
Suguru is pretty much Satoru's moral code. He was the only person Satoru took at least mildly seriously pre-Toji (and we know Satoru just didn't do serious back then). He actually took his words to heart. He was kind, of course (especially from Suguru's PoV, since he's the person that knows him most), and not a bad person, but he wasn't nice. Suguru was always the ‘nice(r) one’, the one who actually had a moral code, while Satoru was more of an asshole to literally everyone and everything (some more, some less), thinking he and Suguru were above everyone else
When Suguru finally snaps (which, honestly. Fair) and goes genocidal (not so fair), Satoru slowly starts to be somewhat nicer and starts applying Suguru's old moral code to his own being — their roles weren't exactly reversed, but now they're not together anymore, so they might as well be. And Suguru was shown for having faith in the school and its system while it was Satoru the one who absolutely abhorred the higher-ups and all kinds of authority, but then it ended up with Suguru being the one to leave and become a cult leader with the blood of hundreds on his hands while Satoru was the one that stayed behind in the same place of the people he despises so much
(Imagine someone saying something like “Sometimes I doubt you even have a moral code” and Gojo answers with “Oh, my best friend my one and only is pretty much my moral code. He went homicidal a while back but it's okay haha” “...Actually, that explains a few things”)
Gojo doesn't have a god complex, but I wouldn't blame him if he did. I mean, he might as well be the closest thing to god human beings have ever seen. He used to put himself above everyone else, when he was a teenager. He thought that, the higher he was, the more he could do. And no one was better than him. But not Suguru. Back then, it wasn't “I'm the strongest” it was “We're the strongest and “We're the best” and “We're the ones that will beat you” and “We're the duo” and it was all about “us, us, us, us, us” instead of “me, me, me, me” like people thought it was — they were a pair. They still are
We know people thought and still think of Gojo as a weapon. As something that must be controlled, because on the moment he decides he doesn't want to be around them anymore, he could just straight up kill then without any effort (but getting rid of people in positions of power only gets other people in positions of power and it'll be a neverending story, and Gojo knows this so he's trying to do his best to fix it all through the younger generation, by letting them live). And we also know that Suguru is one of the very few people who did not believe that at all
Like their personalities and characters and stories and literally everything, their names complement each other. Gojo Satoru and Geto Suguru are such similar names, I get them mixed up all the time (the amount of times I've called them “Gojo Suguru” and “Geto Satoru” is embarassing. Also, “Saturu”. “Goto”. “Gejo”. Ugh). Both of their last names start with a G, end with an O and have 4 letters. Both of their given names start with an S, end with an U and have 6 letters. They complement each other. They need each other
The only times we've seen Gojo with an expression of actual pure, raw emotion is when it's about Geto. When he finds out about what Geto did, when he realizes how thin and wrong Geto looks, when he sees him again for what we assume to be the first time in years, when he dies, when a thing wearing his corpse and using his voice greets him (“Yo, Satoru!” oh my god)
Suguru was able to fight back when in Kenjaku's control after Satoru said his name. Kenjaku himself says that had never happened before
And you don't even have to see them as romantic. You don't have to ship them if you don't want to. But you can't deny that they care about each other more than they will ever care about anyone else
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tofangirlornottofangirl · 1 year ago
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why do I feel so uneasy about this fight. like no matter the outcome this fight feels... foreboding. like things are about to change drastically one way or the other and we probably won't like it
if gojo somehow dies i'm quitting the manga and just waiting 10 years for the anime to catch up and then i will stop before i reach the episode where he dies so I can continue to live in a world where he doesn't die
#jujutsu kaisen spoilers#jjk spoilers#maybe?#idk if this is a spoiler but ill tag it just in case#don't read the rest of the tags i might spoil things you haven't read or watched#oh also#jjk manga spoilers#jjk manga#anyway the way this fight is going even if gojo wins i have this uneasy feeling that its not going to be a happy situation#i think more trauma is coming#the way gege writes i have a feeling it might even be thrown into the middle of a supposed victory#like here have two seconds of a false sense of safety and then BAM here's even more pain#listen i get that yuji's character arc and growth has always relied on major trauma but idk him losing his sensei might be a bit too far#and that 'either only one character dies or only one character lives' haunts me because who is included in that#so many characters have dies already#i hope the whole thing isn't true anyway#also i fear gojo will die saving megumi because thematically satosugu and itafushi are mirroring each other#and gojo couldn't save geto at least in life and his main goal has basically been to make an environment where those themes don't repeat#and so in helping yuji save megumi it's a sort of redemption in both saving his adopted family#and saving another person the pain of living through the guilt and burden of not being able to save your best friend#but also thematically#he should also at least face kenjaku in some way before he dies because the fight is literally happening on getos death anniversary#i hope hes just decommissioned for a bit or loses his ct or something instead of dying#i get that the story can't really progress if we just have gojo there because then hes there to do everything#but im too attached and cant have him doe#i talk about gojo so much because hes such an interesting character ehen you actually look into the story a bit and read bw the lines#but hes not even in my top 5 characters lol#but if you just saw my recent posts it would seem like hes my number 1#its just bc all of this been on my mind bc of what's happening in the manga recently lol
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why exactly is geto such a good character?
(not compared to naoya but using naoya as an example lol. i have no opinion on naoya other than that hes apparently a misogynist but some ppl like him for some reason idk.)
geto is arguably jjk's best written character —which isnt an indictment of naoya but an anime only's premature opinion lol— and a testament to jjk's initial narrative strength. reducing geto's motives down to toji massively undermines the layers that catalyzed his breakdown, which ultimately, was loss and disempowerment leading him to break. it was him being unable to reconcile his moralistic outlook with the mechanistic nature of jujutsu society and the utter dehumanization it demanded of its sorcerers, it was his disdain for the self-sustaining nature of human vice and negativity and its perpetuation of their system of futile sacrifice and loss.
this disdain stems from the bleak reality of being surrounded by its grimiest depths, by the thanklessness of choosing platitudes and lofty ideals for those who spit in your face for it, who exploit you, objectify you. which is why amanai dying is what truly began his undoing, the personification of everything he believed to be worth fighting for snuffed unthinkingly by those he's told are too feeble to know better. its the malignance of pure ppl like haibara dying while evil endures, of the godless nature of being a sorcerer, and how its ungoverned and unphased by any morality or goodness or purity. and why it ended with him discovering the girls in the cage, the most innocent of society, who couldn't have possibly deserved it, who were persecuted for their nature, the actual people endangered for it. its him flipping the ontological framework jujutsu society operates on, questioning why they have to pay for humanity's vices and fallibility, why they cant fight back too, prioritize their own pitfalls, and thusly him giving gravitas to humanity's evil underbelly. while also recognizing the strength and brilliance of sorcerers and choosing to be selfish with this excellence, self-serving instead of self flagellatory, not leaving them to be fed to the beast of human weakness but instead unabashed in their talents and strength. bc at every turn he's told to temper himself, to fight for goodness, but is only ever met with cruelty, haunted by sorcerers' disenfranchisement looming over him.
contradictory to his newfound ideals, geto chooses family and love by vowing to sacrifice humanity instead, he reframes gojo and all those relegated cogs in the jujutsu machine to the ppl really worth fighting for, as precious enough to matter, to be sacrificed for. its why he forms a pseudo family while pursuing his plans, and why he embodies such a performative personality thereafter, bc ideals consume geto. he has to expunge himself of humanity and embody hatred bc that's whats contrary to his former ideals and disposition. that's what he thinks he has to be. but when the heart of his wants shine through, when he allows himself grace around those close to his heart, we see the core of who he is and always has been shine through (e.g at his death scene). geto sees vulnerability and sympathy as inherent to humanity and the things indenturing sorcerers to them, despite his fight for sorcerers being grounded in fighting for the weak, but he doesn't want to give into that human aspect to his motivations. he wants to determine his own future, beholden to no one. (e.g the reason he fights against kenjaku, and is given strength by gojo's words)
now naoya very well may be a better character and commentary on jujutsu society than geto, but using his attire as reason for it isnt exactly equivocal to the aforementioned layers i've outlined. geto's brilliance is in how aptly they condensed all these angles relative to his screen time. now that doesnt mean he's beyond critique: his characterization post-defection is a bit too caricatured for me, and amanai wasnt utilized to the extent that she could've been to complicate his motivations and expand/clarify his thoughts on humanity, plus his plan to exterminate humanity is just as futile as his former sorcerer work, but thats the point. that ideals are fallible and often arbitrary, and that being governed by them can be detrimental and self-destructive. geto wanted to protect those he cared abt above everything, and conjured smth just as grand and insurmountable as the jujutsu system to rival it without taking into account how that obfuscated things, that ultimately, ideals weren't ever what was important, but actually those around him. bc in actuality, what he's doing doesnt center them, it centers him. he who literally tasted the rot and gore of humanity, took it into his body and used it as a weapon for their service, until that poison metastasized and he vowed to amputate his brokenness, without realizing that he'd just opted for another poison instead. he's a tragic character.
having said that, you dont have to care abt him. but he's defintely not badly written lol.
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jeffersonhairpie · 1 year ago
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Spoilers up to chap 336 of Jujutsu Kaisen
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Sorry gotta get this out of my system
A slightly unhinged list of reasons that I'm Not A Fan of this Gojo death that I sincereley hope will make me look like an overreactive weirdo in a few weeks time:
He died offscreen. I know we see the body but we don't actually see the finishing blow. Bizzare for a character of his prowess and significance at this point in the story
Gojo in the 'afterlife' immediately talking about how much stronger Sukuna was than him hits really strange for a character defined by his casual arrogance. Gojo is fast as fuck so it's pretty clear that Sukuna could only get him with the Mahoraga-aided slashes if he caught Gojo off guard. Nothing we have seen in the Gojo vs Sukuna fight indicates that Sukuna is all that much stronger than Gojo and they're mostly pretty evenly matched. Nothing about this ending for Gojo looks to me like 'dying without regrets'.
Sticking Gojo in a box for 3 years real time (19 days in universe time) and freeing him just so the rest of the story can screech to a halt while all the other characters watch him die is fucking stupid. It's bad storytelling.
There are a few different things you could view as Gojo's character arc - whether it be the question he's asked of whether he's the strongest because he's himself or himself because he's the strongest, whether it's laying Geto to rest, whether it's learning that being the strongest is not all there is to being a complete person, whether its shedding his loneliness by learning that Geto is not the only person who he could be emotionally close to. Whatever you see it as, his arc has not reached its conclusion. Gojo is incomplete and him dying now makes his whole character feel like a waste. He didn't even really learn to value the people left alive bc how is he in the afterlife all smiling and happy knowing that Sukuna is about to rampage through the lot of them?
Gojo dying has always been so damn obvious. This is entirely personal preference, but I would have sooooo much rather seen him have his powers neutered so he was forced to understand tha value of an individual life than just wiped off the board. Also I think the universe could benefit from the notion that getting stronger and dying are not the only two things that can happen to a sorcerer.
I know they're not even on the same scale of plot significance, but I can't help comparing how Nanami's death was painful but felt well foreshadowed and entirely justified in the story to this death which very much doesn't (my thoughts on Nobara's death are more complicated). Nanami's death hurt because it felt true to the character, but Gojo's death has just annoyed me.
I never expected the final fight to be Gojo vs Kenjaku and I knew that something was going to have to happen to him in order to justify him not being part of the final showdown. Yuji as the MC and as Kenjaku's kid in this story about how the sins of the past shape the present is 100% the right choice for the story. Much as I thought it was taking the easy route, I hadn't discounted the possibility that Gojo would die, I had just expected him to, ya know, learn something and complete his character arc before he did.
This death just feels really cheap to me, in a way that I don't think even makes for a good fakeout. Maybe the fact that characters have already come back from the dead means that there was no way to have a fakeout feel entirely shocking, but I don't think I should be left thinking 'was that REALLY it?' after the fakout death.
BUT maybe hope doesn't have to be lost
Things I am holding on to hoping that this will be some kind of fakeout (copium is real and I am huffing it):
Gojo wasn't hit in the head, and in his fight with Toji he is able to come back from basically being dead because his head was undamaged
There is still one of the ten shadows that we haven't seen and given that it can't possibly be a stronger combatant than Mahoraga I'm betting on it having a healing ability, which would presumably be incredibly strong given that it's the last to be unveiled. The same healing could save Gojo and Nobara
When Yuji was presumed dead by his classmates and training with Gojo, Gojo comments that Yuji's body will eventually be scarred by Sukuna's cursed technique and he'll be able to use it as his own. Sukuna has the ability to bring people back from the dead so if Yuji can access those powers he can save Gojo (and probably Nobara).
Maki and Mai have something of an 'afterlife' conversation that is real but it doesn't stop Maki from returning to the land of the living.
Depending on exactly how you want to count 'coming back from the dead' several characters have done it at this point lol
In the afterlife Nanami has that random ass line about how curses and sorcerers can bring people back from the dead that doesn't seem to fit in with everything else being said. This could be foreshadowing.
Speaking of foreshadowing, maybe Gojo's line about not wanting to have two death anniversaries was an indication that he intended this to happen and has some sort of pre-established plan for how to win.
Shoko reveresed technique bass boosted by Utahime can heal anything #IBelieve
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psychewritesbs · 1 year ago
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hi! i didnt have much success when looking through ur blog to see if uve addressed this alrdy so apologies if u have.
i was curious to know ur thoughts on jjk's portrayals of gender, esp women/femininity. if u have particular insight from a psych or philosophy bg, id be interested in hearing that (warning, i have a v feminist critique lens)
ik u love gege's writing 😅 but his handle on female characters/femininity has given me such a difficult relationship w jjk, and its v difficult to have discourse on it. on one hand, we're introduced to sm interesting realistic women, tbh i actually never stanned a woman in manga before jjk. but imo it cant be denied that gege is a sexist writer. despite how realistic jjk women r theyre all .. halfwritten? i cant think of a single one who isnt underwritten, not fully explored, not utilized substantially in the plot, etc. and there r sm ex's of extremely minor male characters in jjk who r given more thematic relevance than frequently recurring women that just underscores that gender gap imo
this isnt solely a gege problem ik but what bothers me in particular about jjk vs other mangas is how gege addresses strength, even in the light of nb/androgynous characters, and how it feels as if gege's def of strength is inherently masculine? even despite going so far as to give us a philosophical battle shonen w diverse reps of gender and emphasizing individuality that encompasses both femme/masc traits
how a reader interprets whether a jjk woman is strong or not is obv subjective. like, i think shoko is strong but shes not depicted as such bc she doesnt have a combative technique whereas yuki maki nobara or mei r depicted as "strong" bc of their battle abilities. but it also feels as if those women r strong bc they take on "masculine" traits/mindsets whereas there r no clear depictions of "femininity" making women or men stronger. even utahime who falls into v classic shoujo girl tropes is seen as weak despite teaching her students v proficientally in battle strategy (mechamaru v mahito is a good ex of that imo), as compared to how gojo teaches his (ie dumping them into missions for experience). but thats not what gege ever chooses to highlight
femininity also doesnt even seem to make men/nb characters stronger. the ex's i can think of r naoya as a vagina (lmao), geto as a mother to curses, yuta as highly attuned to his emotions, kenjaku as yuji's mother -- those r things that support these (mostly) men's strong sense of individuality but like, those arent really the things that lend those characters their "strength", u know? like geges just sprinkling in androgyny for the spice 🧐
what is feminine vs masculine, how an individual embodies those traits in their gender identity r already complex topics. im obv generalizing a lot here, but i just, idk despite how many other nuanced philosophies gege explores, what is strong/desirable in jjk still falls down to all-out fighting abilities/physical prowess, emotional detachment, isolation, extremism, etc -- all things we harp on toxic masculinity for. and even when he critiques that, theres no cogent counter solution/way to be strong that gege provides, much less one that incorporates "femininity" and women
maybe im just asking for too much from gege after having read so many great representations of women and gender by female (and male) mangakas/writers but.. i shouldnt be 🙄 he can utilize his female characters more imo, esp when he can clearly set them up so well. and im sure theres things ive misread about jjk and its portrayal of femininity, theres plenty of holes in my thoughts ^^ anyways, this is obv not a great topic to bring up in a fandom that is so polarized between dudebros and women w unaddressed internalized misogyny.. so i welcome any and all thoughts and interpretations on ur end! (also omg im rlly sorry this got so long)
I love you feminist anon, if I may call you that lol, I just always name my anons 😂. I am so grateful that you sent this.
I feel like you've very eloquently explained the deeper reason as to why I personally can't relate to the female characters in jjk. If I'm honest, I like them and think they are fun and good enough representations or attempts at depicting the archetypes that rule their personalities.
As you say, however, some of them remain rather superficial and underutilized... and please forgive me anyone who loves them, but some of them feel like they are basically dudes wearing skirts.
No offense to dudes who wear skirts or people who like men who wear skirts or anyone for that matter. It's just that, as a personal preference, I like female characters that wear skirts, pants, leggings, etc and have equal amounts of masculine and feminine energy.
So, even if I find they are good enough, I've never necessarily loved jjk female characters, because, as you also say, I've read/seen one too many amazing and iconic female characters by other authors...
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And it's not like I think you're asking for too much from Gege in wanting better female characters, it's just that, as you also said, I like his writing and I read jjk precisely because of what it's doing for my masculine psyche. Like... quite literally.
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So perhaps I'm more forgiving than you are because of it? Because in all reality, there are female character moments in other manga that I have to give the bombastic side eye to, and jjk isn't one of them.
Let's taco'bout it more under the cut.
So, that said, I have to admit that you might not find a lot of "feminist oriented" content in my blog because my feminist lens is reserved for dealing with lame dudebros in my real life, and also, I honestly do not know how to wear the lens on the same level of depth as you do.
Also, since my blog's lens is depth psych, I very much focus on femininity and masculinity as psychological qualities that exist on opposite ends of a continuum regardless of biological gender. You'll see me refer to femininity and masculinity like this throughout my answer.
So because of this, I'm coming at the whole issue from a slightly different angle than you are. The way I see it, I think the way the jjk female characters are written and thematically utilized (basically everything you said), ultimately comes back to how Gege's exploration of femininity is limited by his own sense of self, and very much likely biased by the sociocultural landscape he grew up in.
I don't know how much you know about Japan, but Japan has one foot in the future, and one foot in the past...
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And like... ok I'm totally oversimplifying the whole thing. All I'm saying is... Gege is a man who grew up in a man's world, sharing his view of the world through jjk, which is a story about initiation of the male psyche that is published in a magazine for young boys.
Do you see the pattern there?
So If you feel like his female characters are underutilized and underexplored, and that thematically jjk focuses way too much on masculinity and masculine definitions of strength at the expense of the feminine archetypes he does present (like Naoya as a vagina LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL)... well... to me, we're basically looking at the limits of his own relationship to his femininity, which, this relationship is in turn an imperative precursor for psychospiritual development in depth psych. More of this in a bit.
Anyways, that's my anticlimactic reasoning for why I am more forgiving about the issue than you are. To be honest, I've been so consumed exploring my masculine psyche through jjk (because personally my feminine psyche is more developed in certain aspects) that I just never focus on the female characters (that is not to mention what I shared earlier).
ANYWAYS, I fucking love what you wrote about Gege's exploration on power from a masculine perspective because you're 100% spot on. What I'll say to that is that, to me, from a depth psych perspective, that's kind of the whole point.
I invite you to look at it from this other level of perspective (in addition to the whole "Gege's psych is a product of his upbringing"): the whole idea of individuality and focusing on the sense of self as a measure of "The Strongest" is being shown as an incomplete part of the equation...
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... that leaves "the strongest" ultimately feeling dissatisfied.
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This is a sentiment echoed by several characters because ego strength (masculine definitions of strength) is ultimately an unbalanced measure of strength precisely because it ignores feminine values and measures of strength.
Who knows where Gege is taking jjk at this point, but I will admit I am hoping he is going to explore this in more depth because, central to Jungian thought and depth psych is the idea of the Buddhist middle path and union of opposites.
In Jungian psych this means that, when you have an unbalanced ego attitude like that, something has to give so that the pendulum swings in the opposite direction, which gives the ego the experiences it needs to integrate the "opposite" attitude. This ultimately results in a more holistic and balanced perspective for the ego.
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That to say that I'm wondering if Gege is going to make the pendulum swing in the opposite direction with the whole "individuality" idea since self-preservation is a "masculine" trait. Again, psychologically, it's all about balance, and right now, the story is out of balance in favor of the masculine traits you mention.
But... to bring it back to Gege's possible limitations around his perception of femininity and how developing a healthy relationship to his anima (femininity) is a precursor for psychospiritual development... what if, on a meta level, jjk is depicting part of Gege's journey towards integrating and deepening his relationship to his femininity and what you're seeing is the beginning of that journey?
Hint hint Tsumiki! maybe I'll write about it someday
This is the thing... In depth psychology, more specifically what is called "the psychology of fairy tales", fairy tales and myths are stories that depict the thinking patterns of a peoples through metaphor and symbol. The characters in these myths and stories are thus characters playing out dramas in our own psyches. So basically, think of jjk as an objective exploration of Gege's subjectiveness (psyche).
Admittedly, even if the pendulum swings in the other direction (more feminine definitions of strength), you might find that his exploration is rather shallow or that it falls short of your expectations for what you'd like to see from a feminist perspective. And you wouldn't be wrong for it, it's just that Gege is probably not on the same level of understanding that you have about femininity because he's, like you and I, a human on a journey of self understanding and growth reflecting on how his environment has shaped who he is.
The same goes for women with internalized misogyny. Sometimes you don't know what you don't know, and coming to an understanding of it is a process that doesn't take place overnight.
So I think the only part I'll disagree with is that Gege is a sexist writer. But that's perhaps because I'm being a bit too technical in what sexist means? i.e. masc supremacy or hating women and perpetuating stereotypes. I think that rather than being sexist, his unconscious biases are showing, which is why someone like you can pick them out.
I do understand where you're coming from though, and admittedly perhaps I am being too forgiving of him.
Last thing I'll say is that I've said a couple of times that wanting for jjk to have these iconic female characters feels like an exercise in futility. In retrospect, I now understand that it's not that anyone shouldn't want for jjk to have iconic female characters, but that doesn't change the fact that jjk will probably remain the wrong manga to look for them, and that's something to make peace with because it is what it is.
So, here's to hoping we get a chance to see a deeper representation of feminine values in jjk or Gege's next manga. Because, if he's done such beautiful work with the masculine psyche, like you, I'd be curious to see what he makes of a deeper exploration of the feminine psyche.
Between you and I, I'd actually love reading a proper battle bl from Gege. And I mean proper. Like... gays so canon that even the dudebros can't deny it.
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ANYWAYS... giiiiiiiirl what an ask 😮‍💨. I don't think I've done it justice tbh. But hopefully I made sense? I really do love what you wrote. It was very eye opening to see this age-old argument spelled out the way you did it. So thank you again for sharing your thoughts!
If you over have any other thoughts on the topic I look forward to hearing from you!
I rambled too so... hopefully I made sense 🤣.
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jjkrereadlb · 2 years ago
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Ch 222
Sukuna says gojo has the last finger which is entirely plausible but NOT confirmed yet
Theres a mummy which i was told is sukuna’s own mummified body but its actually not confirmed??? If anything last chapter it looked more like tengen then sukuna
Sukuna says “did kenjaku… or rather tengen… do this ironically?” what does this mean. This sounds like tengen and kjk are like the same being under different names (???) or maybe that one of them was the one who wanted to make the mummy and asked the other to do the work for them??? Idk
When gojo says “its just the three of us” referring to himself shoko and ijichi shoko answers “there’s one who hasn’t fully recovered yet.” Id jump on the chance to say its nobara but i think they’re talking of people who went to school with them so who? Nanami is dead for sure bc they confirm it one panel later. Mei mei and utahime were i think both older than them (already professional sorcerers while they were students) and anyway neither of them received any major injuries in shibuya and they haven’t fought in the culling game. Geto ofc is the obvious option but I wouldnt describe his current situation as “not fully recovered yet” lmao unless its a weird translation thing again. Who else is even left??
Im sorry but meimei setting up a livestream of the gojo sukuna fight is fucking hysterical. like that makes sense. Id be watching that shit if i were in jjk world. Shitting myself in fear the whole time too but still. she’s giving the people what they want.
Yuuji is fighting someone(i think that guy from shibuya without a CT but im not sure) and yuujis body(?) calls the other guy itadori. I see now why ive seen an increase in people saying yuuji has kjk’s bodyhopping. Honestly it could be also bc i dont understand what else could possibly be going on . Maybe this is someone elses CT that we havent seen so far (utahime? Idk) and they’re using it to have yuuji sneak up on sukuna/kjk under false pretenses??? Idk
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Theres also whatever the fuck this ^ is. Not even gonna try.
Kjk says if theyd left sukuna’s side gojo would have killed them. So theyre sure gojo could easily beat them in a fight. Good to know for powerscaling & matchup predictions ig.
UTAHIME IS BACKKKKK crossing off a bingo card! Thanks gege! Now tell us her ct.
I love that everyone slaps gojo on the back but inumaki kicks him. Like he still has one arm 😭😭 legend behavior honestly. Id kick him too if I knew i could get away with it
MIWA APPEARANCE!!! We still haven’t been told what she was doing in the CG when we caught a glimpse of her. Im betting we will see it in a flashback and it will be important and also i have a feeling some new new shadow style will make an appearance through her.
Sukunas deranged grin in the very final panel… what can i say. Daddy.
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just-jordie-things · 1 year ago
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For research purposes, I need to know your top 4 absolute favourite anime characters. (and your birthday if you're comfortable sharing)
~ Nanami Flowershop Anon
i'm a july leo if that's decent enough info for you! i've been told that i don't usually give off that vibe, but maybe online i come off more extroverted and outgoing?? in person i'm very shy and AWKWARD ASF till i get to know you- then i'm annoying and awkward <3
ok i could not possibly pit these characters against each other so this is in NO SPECIFIC ORDER ok? its just my top four IN NO ORDER I LOVE THEM ALL EQUALLY
also they're all jjk bc while i like other animes, i love jjk (duh) and haven't found anything that's made me feel the same
megumi came to mind first tho, i've been attached to him since i first watched the anime. i love how confident he is in his sense of morality and i relate a lot to that. (not to mention at the time i was going thru a breakup with my childhood best friend over some morally gray stuff an i was heartbroken having to distance myself from them bcuz of what they were doing/excusing.) so to see a character with an unapologetic set of beliefs that in a lot of ways alligned with mine was so comforting. he's also just really neat and cute so 10/10 all around
geto comes to mind next and before anyone jumps down my throat bcuz i don't write for him-- i love him for the way his character is written!!!! what he went through before defecting?? again i just get so enamored with a character fighting/developing their morals. suguru is kinda the opposite of megumi in this case but god i just eat it up every time. i'm definitely someone that doesn't blame him too much for doing what he did ngl... is he extreme? yah... but before kenjaku took over i just loved how he was ready to go to any lengths to protect what/who he cared about (sorry gojo)
gojo ofc makes the list and not just bc he's a pretty princess!! i think he's a wonderfully written character that a lot of people don't fully understand?? i see a lot of ppl getting upet bc of how overpowered he is (like relax that's why he was in that box forever bruh) but miss the point completely? as powerful as he is he's so lonely? everything he's ever loved gets taken from him in some way? (side note i think that's why we see how often shoko feels alone/left out, i think he actively put a distance between them because he couldn't lose her too/she reminded him too much of their shared trauma </3) and you RARELY see him actually showing his emotions, for the most part he only shows what he allows others to see. he's so upbeat all the time but he's so isolated!!!! oldest sibling vibe fr
i really can't settle on a fourth i'm arguing w myself about it so there's a top three. but know that i WOULD HAVE SAID yuuta just bc he's unhinged and babygirl at the same time and those are my favorite traits in a fictional man <3
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crouching-vinus · 2 years ago
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I know you’ve probably already planned your one shot ideas but one I was hoping for was the academic rivalry trope with geto. Ever since you posted that little snippet with him and reader I was hooked. I would looove to see something like that in the future if you’re willing ofc❤️❤️
omg okay so-
I truly did not get the appeal of geto when i first wrote that bit but i actually hadn't seen the movie yet and i found him to be a lot more endearing after watching it. i definitely enjoy smarmy og geto over kenjaku geto, so if i ever did anything with him, it would probably be w that version.
I actually have more multi-chaptered fic ideas than i do oneshot ones, surprisingly- the only ones i've really thought about are;
CEO/Co-worker Sukuna or Toji
Sensei/higher-up Toji
???
So, yeah, an academic rivals geto x reader could potentially make it in there, lol. Especially now that its winter, i always get into that dark academia vibe- i think bc its the time of year they always play harry potter. I might have to rewatch a couple scenes to determine whether or not geto would be the one i'd like to explore that area with (i feel like an au like this would work with someone like naoya too) but its definitely on the table!!
Honestly the more i think about it the more i like it, but i'm scared to start something new again before i finish up hate/blackmail aha... so if it does come to fruition it could be a while!
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geto is arguably jjk's best written character —which isnt an indictment of naoya but an anime only's premature opinion lol— and a testament to jjk's initial narrative strength. reducing geto's motives down to toji massively undermines the layers that catalyzed his breakdown, which ultimately, was loss and disempowerment leading him to break. it was him being unable to reconcile his moralistic outlook with the mechanistic nature of jujutsu society and the utter dehumanization it demanded of its sorcerers, it was his disdain for the self-sustaining nature of human vice and negativity and its perpetuation of their system of futile sacrifice and loss.
this disdain stems from the bleak reality of being surrounded by its grimiest depths, by the thanklessness of choosing platitudes and lofty ideals for those who spit in your face for it, who exploit you, objectify you. which is why amanai dying is what truly began his undoing, the personification of everything he believed to be worth fighting for snuffed unthinkingly by those he's told are too feeble to know better. its the malignance of pure ppl like haibara dying while evil endures, of the godless nature of being a sorcerer, and how its ungoverned and unphased by any morality or goodness or purity. and why it ended with him discovering the girls in the cage, the most innocent of society, who couldn't have possibly deserved it, who were persecuted for their nature, the actual people endangered for it. its him flipping the ontological framework jujutsu society operates on, questioning why they have to pay for humanity's vices and fallibility, why they cant fight back too, prioritize their own pitfalls, and thusly him giving gravitas to humanity's evil underbelly. while also recognizing the strength and brilliance of sorcerers and choosing to be selfish with this excellence, self-serving instead of self flagellatory, not leaving them to be fed to the beast of human weakness but instead unabashed in their talents and strength. bc at every turn he's told to temper himself, to fight for goodness, but is only ever met with cruelty, haunted by sorcerers' disenfranchisement looming over him.
contradictory to his newfound ideals, geto chooses family and love by vowing to sacrifice humanity instead, he reframes gojo and all those relegated cogs in the jujutsu machine to the ppl really worth fighting for, as precious enough to matter, to be sacrificed for. its why he forms a pseudo family while pursuing his plans, and why he embodies such a performative personality thereafter, bc ideals consume geto. he has to expunge himself of humanity and embody hatred bc that's whats contrary to his former ideals and disposition. that's what he thinks he has to be. but when the heart of his wants shine through, when he allows himself grace around those close to his heart, we see the core of who he is and always has been shine through (e.g at his death scene). geto sees vulnerability and sympathy as inherent to humanity and the things indenturing sorcerers to them, despite his fight for sorcerers being grounded in fighting for the weak, but he doesn't want to give into that human aspect to his motivations. he wants to determine his own future, beholden to no one. (e.g the reason he fights against kenjaku, and is given strength by gojo's words)
now naoya very well may be a better character and commentary on jujutsu society than geto, but using his attire as reason for it isnt exactly equivocal to the aforementioned layers i've outlined. geto's brilliance is in how aptly they condensed all these angles relative to his screen time. now that doesnt mean he's beyond critique: his characterization post-defection is a bit too caricatured for me, and amanai wasnt utilized to the extent that she could've been to complicate his motivations and expand/clarify his thoughts on humanity, plus his plan to exterminate humanity is just as futile as his former sorcerer work, but thats the point. that ideals are fallible and often arbitrary, and that being governed by them can be detrimental and self-destructive. geto wanted to protect those he cared abt above everything, and conjured smth just as grand and insurmountable as the jujutsu system to rival it without taking into account how that obfuscated things, that ultimately, ideals weren't ever what was important, but actually those around him. bc in actuality, what he's doing doesnt center them, it centers him. he who literally tasted the rot and gore of humanity, took it into his body and used it as a weapon for their service, until that poison metastasized and he vowed to amputate his brokenness, without realizing that he'd just opted for another poison instead. he's a tragic character.
having said that, you dont have to care abt him. but he's defintely not badly written lol.
hey,can you tell us why you think Naoya is even complex character than Geto? I mean Geto is one of the most well written character in jjk and saying that Naoya is even more complex than him is quite a reach(respectfully ,i just genuinely want to know ur pov).
Geto is not well written. He is a mere plotpoint. Getting his ass kicked once by a non sorcerer and going full genocidal isn't the best writing unless he is indeed a whiny dumbass.
Naoya gives really good pov on the conservative clan side of the worldbuilding. He is very important character, it shows how a person who seems to be quite liberal (piercings, dyed hair, makeup, doesnt respect the elders or any clan hierachy) can still be a bigoted asshole. Geto is simply a part of Gojo's life and nothing else. Him being a victim of unjust system is great but its just not portrayed well enough for me to care at all. I just cant feel bad for him. His plan is fucking stupid and his motivations are just pathetic to me. I personally dont care about him as a character at all but ik people do and thats fine, geto has some cool moments and its okay to like a loser. I just dont think he is deeper than naoya.
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nonsenuser · 2 years ago
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jjk characters and their tim hortons orders 🍁☕️ I originally posted this on twitter but its also going here now :))
yuji itadori: simple, but classic, iced capp. even in the winter when it's -40 degrees outside and the worker kinda looks at him funny for ordering one at that time of year
megumi fushiguro: dark roast coffee. no sugar, no creamer, nothing. weirdo
nobara kugisaki: raspberry lemonade, but she hates this place and would much rather go to starbucks
satoru gojo: any crazy specialty iced capp (like oreo iced capp for example) but he prefers starbucks frapps over these
suguru geto: 1/2 french vanilla 1/2 coffee in the winters and in the summers he gets his iced coffee from mcdonalds (bc dollar drink days) (these are my orders btw)
toji fushiguro: small double double and he chugs the whole thing before crushing the cup in his hand and throwing it onto the sidewalk he also knows the employees quite well and sometimes they give him free timbits
maki zenin: she's not a huge fan of the drinks but she's down for an everything bagel (toasted with butter)
toge inumaki: he actually works there
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panda: also works at tims but he eats the donuts sometimes (they taste like shit tho)
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mahito: biebs brew, bieber balls, bieber piss(?) and owns all the tim biebs merchno one knows why he's so passionate about this collab, in fact he doesn't even know who justin bieber is
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kento nanami: green tea + old fashioned plain donut
the employees love him bc he never complains if they're taking too long with his order, especially during busy hours
sukuna: PLOT TWIST, he's a manager (not at inumaki/pandas location). weirdly good at his job, cares for his employees and wishes for all tims workers to unionize (theres acc a few locations that r unionized?? didn't find out until literally right now)
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kenjaku: orders weird customizations during busy hours
will ask for his order to be remade over little things, ex. "my coffee is a degree too cold" 
calls the sizes tall/grande/venti like it's Starbucks 
often fights the manager (sukuna)
choso: will buy drinks for his brothers but he's not a big coffee drinker 
if he's hungry and he happens to be there, he'll get a sundried tomato asiago bagel (THAT SHIT DOES NOT LOOK EDIBLE BUT IT'S FINE I SWEAR!)
naoya zenin: ordered a cold brew once & hated it sm his dramatic ass puked in the tims bathroom (employees had a fun time cleaning up that mess) 
now only goes to tims if it's the only location w/ a public bathroom nearby and he rlly has to go
he prefers second cup (twin )
ieiri shoko: BREAKFAST COMBOOOO sausage biscuit sandwich + same drink as suguru or double double + hashbrown 
during exam season she would down like 4-5 large coffees a day
iori utahime: jalapeno bagel with cream cheese, she'll get her coffee from smwhr else cuz she thinks tims coffee tastes like unwashed asshole
noritoshi kamo: his favourite food is apparently coffee so he is extremely passionate about how shit tims is
thinks ordering from there will damage the clans reputation or something?
mai & momo: the other 2 anti-tim hortons kyoto students
kasumi miwa: thinks the new! thirst quenchers taste sweet and doesn't really understand the passionate tims hate from the others
aoi todo: met itadori at a tim hortons and bonded over their common drink orders + taste in women 
insists they've been going on tims runs after school since they were kids but that obviously isn't true
yu haibara: iced capps + these cherry blossom donuts that r discontinued fuck u tim hortons genuinely fuck u 
also thank god haibara didn't live to see the drop in tim hortons donut quality
hakari & kirara: dozen assorted donuts for the fight club (but only if krispy kreme is not an option) kirara's fave is maple dip
hiromi higuruma: theres actually an aroma espresso bar near his work (he prefers that) but if it's closed he goes to the nearby tims to grab an orange pekoe tea before he goes home
reggie star: dark roast with like 5 sugars, when he goes up to the counter he almost always drops all his loonies and toonies on the floor and it takes him FOREVER to pick them up (short nail struggles) 
always makes small talk with other ppl in line
uro: the powdered sugar timbits with jelly inside and raspberry lemonade. got mad when yuuta said he knows a guy who gives him free timbits
ryu: orders through drive thru and takes FOREVER to decide which sandwich combo he wants which causes the drive thru lineup to get so long 
also really likes boston cream donuts
hajime kashimo: any cheese melt, he wasn't expecting sukuna to be a tims manager, took them a while to process that one 
assorted timbits are also another fave
charles bernard:
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tomonari-nue · 2 years ago
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Hi! May i ask what you think of fans who keep preaching that Gojo has a god complex/that he's a whore and has a massive whore behavior?
Also how he's a narcissist because he took of his glasses for those pre-teen girls at Riko's school and where teacher gave him her number/ or tried to at least? Dude was shook. That was literally just a "shitty" teenage behavior more than anything else ff
Am I missing something? I know for a fact that Akutami's comments, especially regarding Gojo are more often than not trolls but fandom really likes to take it at face value and put Gojo into this one-dimemsional petty character.
But yeah, popular characters do tend to be done the dirtiest by the fandom.
honestly i dont really care for them. like sure i'll joke that perhaps they arent reading the same manga as me and everybody knows that i, a random stranger on the internet, am always correct and right in whatever i say–
that said, due to the generous use of symbolism of buddhist belief in the manga, i believe Gojo's whole God-Speech is more in line with Enlightenment than the acquisition of godhood. my friend @nanamispto actually had an amazing theory on that!! also, i wouldnt really call Gojo a narcissist as much as he's mostly just arrogant and eccentric. but to be fair, he IS the most powerful person in the world, so i guess he's earned that and also i think he's just very aware of the power he wields and the potential for total annihilation it holds.
my belief is that Gojo basically plays an act of being uppity, arrogant and annoying in order to mask the fact that he's the world's most powerful entity. in a way, he just likes making ppl think of him that way in order to cover up his vulnerability as he knows how painfully human he actually is. like, him getting locked into the Prison Realm was basically caused by him having a very emotional and human moment – Kenjaku was literally betting on Gojo having a one second reaction to seeing them in Geto's body. one second of genuine emotions, thats all it took. i think the concept of humanity and Gojo are very closely intertwined.
however, i do sometimes joke that this guy is a harlot but mostly only bc he always gets those needlessly extra poses like he's trying too hard to be good-looking like sir why do you need to spread your legs like that, there is literally no need. i love him and his complex characterisation, but i also think he's annoying and i want to grab his silly little mask and let it snap back against his face. this man is canonically bitchless, like GETO was the more popular one between the two of them – sure Gojo would attrat ppl by looks alone but as soon as he opens his mouth its game over kjDKBJKJF–
but yeah! i think it's sad a lot of really great and multifaceted characters are taken and then molded into one prominent trait, disregarding any cause for it or origin that made the characters act the way they did. it takes everything interesting away i think.
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eruhatesu · 3 years ago
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Hey Eru! Hope you're doing well.
MM here with a bit of a ranty post (so please bear with me).
I was thinking. You know how there's a theory that Utahime is the other traitor, right? What if, WHAT IF, that's the reason why she didn't appear in the JJK 0 movie? Because she was in the background doing evil shit? 😳
Honestly, Utahime not appearing in the movie doesn't make any damn sense. I know the cope now is that Gege is saving her CT for later, which sounds like a valid reason at first sight, but... Why not just show her doing hand to hand combat like they did in the anime?? They did NOT have to show her technique for her to appear in it!
To not show her around while her students were risking their lives was just such a odd decision, specially when you consider that minor characters like Kusakabe and Ino appeared (she's top 3 female character in polls! Come on).
So, there are only a couple of reasons that I can think of as to why this happened:
1. Utahime is the traitor (still have my doubts about this one, I think she cares about her students too much to pull this).
2. Gege really is saving her CT for later. But he handed it TERRIBLY by thinking removing her from the movie altogether was the way to go about it.
3. Gojo asked her to do something in the background?
4. Gege does not give a flying f*** about her character.
The last one is scary, but considering how Gege, just like most shounen authors, have a clear bias towards male characters it wouldn't really surprise me. Male authors spend the whole Manga developing M/M bonds, while their female characters and M/F dynamics always feel like an afterthought. All while we're left lamenting the wasted potential *sigh*
Look at Sashisu, for example. Satoru, Shoko and Suguru. The OG trio. Look at how well the relationship between Satoru and Suguru has been explored, while Shoko is just... There. Nothing about the way Suguru's downfall affected Shoko. Nothing.
It is always the woman getting pushed to the side (Oh Nobara, my dear).
I would personally love it if Shoko ended up being the traitor, because it would be a good way to bring her to the forefront. There's just something about Kenjaku getting a hold of Geto's body that doesn't sit right with me.
I could see him manipulating her feelings for Geto, making her believe that there was a way to bring him back to life if she handed him his body.
But yeah, I just wanna see her doing something. Even if it means Gojo going through even more pain 😬
So after that rant, the actual questions! (I think I forgot this was an ASK 😂).
How would you feel about Utahime or Shoko being the traitor? Are you satisfied with the way Gege is handling the female characters? And most importantly, What in the world were they thinking when they decided not to include Utahime in the movie?! (Seriously, I'll never get over it).
mm, hi. Im doing fineeeee finally having a very short break and finally got the time to respond to this hehe. Sorrymasen if I took a while. and.....
Dont worry I love reading this bc holy shit you opened my mind to a possibility that Shoko or Utahime might be the traitor.
My vote for Utahime not being in the movie is your 2nd or 3rd theory. Ngl, if we didnt get the one shot recently, I would choose your 4th theory but not now that we saw Utahime having good relations with even Yuuta.
For SHOKO.......OMFG. I love her character sm bc of all the possibilities. She has a very unpredictable vibe that makes you wonder what is going on with her. For sure it wasnt only Gojo who was greatly damaged emotionally with the events with Riko and its rippled events with Suguru... so Shoko acting out of track because of it is really plausible.
As much as I want Utahime to be the traitor to take on the spot light, Shoko having that role will be a lot more satisfying for me too. The impact would be top tier plot twist.
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