#bareil

[lightningarmour]

By popular request. Will the Prophets look favorably on your fave?

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[writergeekrhw]

Do you have any insight into what the intention was when adding Bareil to the show? He's one of the few characters on DS9 that felt really half-formed and I've always wondered what you were going for with this guy. Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions and hope you had a good new year!

Well, since I created him, I can probably speak to that.

Bareil was added to show a positive, progressive side to the Bajoran faith in contrast with Winn. We planned the Bareil/Winnn struggle for control of Bajor to be big thread going forward in Season 2 and beyond, but after the opening three-parter of Season 2, Paramount wanted less Bajor and more Gamma Quadrant. The Dominion story began to assert itself, which meant less time for the Bajorans.

Initially, we even thought that Bareil might end up Kai, further dividing Kira's loyalties. But we realized that Winn was the more interesting and challenging character. So we made her Kai instead.

The romance with Kira was promising for a while, but ultimately it played its course, and we felt that a relationship with Odo had more promise. So... yeah. Cue tragedy.

[loudfederationscreeching]

possibly controversial take but neither of kiras so called boring love interests (bareil and shakaar) are boring imo

like obviously i get wanting her to be gay, kira deserves to be gay, and seeing her constantly paired up with guys can be grating

but bareil is a vedek who champions peace and cares about bajor and its future and stability so much that he literally works himself to death to establish a fair peace treaty with the cardassians

and shakaar is literally the leader of kiras former resistance cell. he becomes prime minister after standing up to kai winn alongside kira, using the tactics they used for all those years. theyve known each other a long time, later find they have feelings for each other, and then eventually split amicably, remaining friends. he doesnt have the MOST interesting personality, but hes steady and kind, and these episodes add a lot of great dimension to kira

if they sometimes come off as boring, i think its because they do their job narratively and dont eclipse kira in their episodes, and instead further her journey

and both of these men are also instrumental in the buildup as kai winn as a villain (winn lets bareil die and opposes shakaar), all the antipathy that we feel for her is rooted in these arcs. so on that basis alone i think theyre worth being remembered positively

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[trilltrek]

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[darktiger57]

lets talk kira's wet paint boyfriends.

we're going backwards. pros and cons

odo:

pros: can turn into a bucket of paint. was very sweet with Kira. He and Kira were close before they got together so they were a nice friends to lovers. Odo respected her(most of the time) and Kira respected him back.

cons: crossfire, and his way are both some of my least favorite episodes. the way odo and kira get together feels like it's all about Odo, which I get some of it. He's a changeling, he's not used to romance(except he is because of luxwana and that one lady), Kira is a friend and its scary to make a change to friendship like that. HOWEVER Kira is a main character too. I feel like she should've gotten more of a say, more of a side, something portrayed at least, about the whole thing.

Opinion: personally to me Kira and Odo work better as close friends. Like close enough people THINK theyre dating but theyre not. Just a couple of besties. Two pals. Both of them strong, one of them stoic, the other angry. both of them learning to be softer. Able to lean on each other against all other odds. I get why some people like them as a couple because of all that, it's why i dont dislike them as a couple.

rating: decent. 6.5/10

shakaar:

pros: he and kira have *history*. he was a mentor. a comrade. they fought together. watched their friends die around them. and now? he tends to the ground of the world they fought so hard to protect, he guides the people they gave their lives for. he and kira are like two sides of a coin. they both used to protect their people and they both still do but in very different ways. shakaar is one of my favorite episodes.

cons: he was written into their romance, it feels like, to be an obstacle to odo. his first episode, shakaar, is one of my favorite episodes, crossfire, and the episode where kira gives birth are one of my least favorite episodes and an episode i dislike shakaar in, respectively.

s3ep24 shakaar: like i said in the pros, shakaar and kira have history. deep history, shared trauma, deep convictions, all that good stuff. in shakaar we see them first at odds, but then kira recognizes the good shakaar is doing and they end up fighting together, being forced to take up arms against their own people. BUT THEY CANT! they talk their star trek asses through it. and shakaar is elected first minister. they work well together. they have that war buddy scarred by everything but healing vibe and theyre good. shakaar is actually rather interesting.

s4ep12: shakaar is fine in this episode. he's generic and boring. white bread. powerful man being the first minister but the only interesting thing about him is the plot happening to involve him. and then odo nearly gets them all killed cuz he's mad kiras showing interest in another guy when he hasn’t said shit yet. bad episode, love kiras fit tho very nice.

s5ep12: shakaar is late to kira giving birth and interrupts it, resetting the whole trial. ob'rien is rightfully upset, but takes it too far. both of them act like dicks the rest of the episode. i feel bad for kira, at least she has keiko.

opinion: i don't like shakaar. worst kira wet paint boyfriend. his first episode when he isn't a love interest is great. thats all he gets.

rating: 3.4/10 at least they didn’t go through with dukat

bareil:

pros: this man is sweet and sensitive and kind and he plays sports with his strong angry girlfriend. they disagree in matters of religion but love each other anyway. theyre both hot. he quite literally gives her a religious experience. she shows up in his prophetic visions. he's one of the only people hard angry season 1&2 kira will let her guard down around. theyre both hot. she found out he was framed as a collaborator by his own hand to protect their past religious leader to protect his people. they both protect their people in different ways. he knows how hard it was in the occupation. he's a gardener. her father was a gardener. also the guy is actually kinda funny. the deadpan delivery of some of his lines are perfect.

cons: nothing this man is perfect. he's very monotone but tbh i like his demeanor. they killed him :( kira watches him die

opinion: first son of bajor, arm around the major. bareil is the best soggy wet bread star trek ever spat on. he was soft and kind and sweet and quiet and it was everything kira needed. also have y'all SEEN s2ep24 the collaborator??? holy FUCK it's so good. the confrontation outside the vedek assembly where kira realises it was opaka and bareil was protecting her. the whole scene is fantastic on both sides. nana visitor with her fantastic acting and philip anglim holds his own with her. he definitely didn't command the scene that was all kira but he managed well enough. and later in the series when, after he dies, his mirror counterpart comes and he's perfect for kira but in another way but its all a lie but it isnt and its all so confusing and then hes gone. another great star trek tragic love story.

rating: 9/10 best wet paint boyfriend out there

in conclusion: bareil is the best wet paint boyfriend.

kiradax tho 👀

[tboyautism]

they gotta add bareil to the lower decks mobile game

[temporal-mechanic]

Bareinaissance

[kittenwriter]

The fact that Bareil has not nearly enough characterization is emphasized by the fact that he's so hard to write.

Yes. Harder to write than Jabara who had almost no characterization, because there's a lot of freedom to play with her and with Girani and Tagana-- I can think about "What are their life circumstances? What do we have? How do I extrapolate?" with them. Whereas Bareil actually has a fair bit of screen time, he's just got absolutely no personality. (Winn I expect to have no problem writing; I have a pretty good idea of her dynamic with Julian.)

[chronicowboy]

this post & merthur

[autisisko]

Reductress: Deep Space Nine

[sashthesloth]

Wait 'til you meet my little sister

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[gorgynei]

dont you turn like orpheus (just stay here)