#ava theories

[fruitypi]

You know what I just realized? Dark uses his right hand through the whole season 2

And all, but when he fights with CG

He used left hand. It was messing with me. I couldn't tell which was his dominant hand. And then I realized.

Dark was so confident, that his gonna win, he decided to humiliate CG and show, that he could kill them with a non-dominant hand.

Also when Second turned 'god-mode' he started using right hand again (sorry wasn't able to screenshot it 😕)

It's just so terrifying how malicious The Dark Lord actually is. He not only uses every method to humiliate their opponent, but also makes their death as terrifying as possible.

And that's all I got to say

[storgicdealer]

ok gang. its theory time

the analysis of the new mercenary scene. meta, blueprints and time

warning it is incredibly choppy because of the chaos i am in rn !!!!!! but anyways

okay so. the video cuts off at green&red defending themselves but i doubt that really means a lot

the glitching. it IS reminding me of the way chosens memories were scanned through. but mercs having a whole tv remote?? chosens memories mightve as well pushed them to use youtube ?? but why didnt they access it earlier ?? why vic didnt???

bc of these question im more willing to think they themselves decided to use youtube right now. maybe only right now !

this raises a ton of questions. does outernet have somewhat of an access to internet after all? is it just their own tech? (could be supported by the fact that if youtube was common there i doubt theyd be using specifically television for it. i feel like theyd use other screens instead without a need of a remote especially considering how advanced their tech is)

still possible that it is common. considering they aren't that focused on it and there are random workers in the bg literally enjoying the show

this whole thing is VERY meta lol but i do think the mercs are the ones that influenced the stream in this way

A BIG portion of alan drawing a flower from ava season 2 is paid attention to in the glitching scene for some reason ?? maybe as a note for his and secs alliance.

the video then cuts off and goes to victim again. the whole video was watched through

the stream cuts off to mercs. **RIGHT** at the moment chosen notices the freedom stick rights article. based on the vid it could be just primal messing with shit but i feel it was intentional. (ha. freedom? loser. we're here instead)

later. the video resumes at victim again. i didnt see any changes to vics or chosens ending.

okay. the mercs. pulling up screenshots for this one

i. cant decipher THAT much even though the quality is 1080p for me.

but i DO see that the first blueprint has as i suppose the hover ??

the text pinpoints "power core" and its pretty much the most readable thing for me. another one is kyokaz was here its just a cameo

the blueprint shows buttons? perhaps the controller of the hover? going to a circle thingy. perhaps what is working inside the hover

the whole thing on the left corner says f___ complex but i cant decipher

second screenshot. the blueprint left to the first one looks like a pc?? and its not surprising even in the screenshot itself bc. the mercs have one to the right corner behind em

now. third sc.

HELLO?

firstly. A VIC DRAWING????? WITH A GUN????

there is a possibility of it being any stick but. i feel its victim. in my guts

shooting?? what. for.

it is scribbled out . . .

there is a possibility (along with the self portrait of vics in the unused bg) that it was just. him doodling. it would kill me actually because he is no great artist like sec. just a doodler (<words of flareboi here)

now. this

again . the question how they accesed it.

if they can get youtube to open there. how did vic not know of the showdown. of sec

showdown was uploaded online. that was literally in canon !!!

unless there's a rule that not everything internet-like and youtube like can be accessible. but i dont really think of any implications that proved that

except. for the fact that showdown was already uploaded. before the ep even ended. would it imply time passing differently in both realms?

lord i needed to scream it out.

OH GOD !!!!!!!!!!!

[kupofdoodles]

okokokok someone probs already thought about this but like, the names Alan gives to the sticks is like their archetype- the chosen one, the dark lord, and the second coming!!!! and the names usually determine the amount of power they have

enough filler!!! what I wanna talk about the stick that doesn’t have “the” in their name!!!!

victim 🎉

their name archetype shows they r a victim (duh) and this is proven when they kinda just die (presumably) for existing and that they were likely just made so they could b fought liek most of the sticks! and i think since their name is victim, dis means victim could have a redemption arc!!

(orrrrr possible victim powers)

[dipstar1489]

victim Being Alive and Powers Theories

I know everyone is excited about victim coming back, but I don’t think the stick figure at the end of episode 6 is the same victim we knew in episode 1, but rather one of their clones and that the Second Coming is a reincarnation or at least spiritually connected to the og victim. There have been several hints to victim and SC being connected, best shown in Animation vs YouTube with SC and victim sharing the exact silhouette, their interactions with Alan Becker in AvA episodes 1 and 4, and their ability to properly use the toolbar to create animated objects instead of grabbing the nearest thing, a skill that neither the Chosen One or the Dark Lord possess.

Along with this, there was 5 versions of victim, one being the og themself, and with how we assumed CO and DL were killed in episode 3 until episode 5, victim and the clones could have escaped the same way and some of them, including the og, might not have made it.

Now, the evidence used to claim victim is the leader instead of one of their clones could be explained. The most damning is the tool bar devices and their supposed goal of getting CH’s powers. If the leader is one of victim’s clones, then the toolbar could be the clone replicating what they saw.

The second “evidence” just infuriates me if we assume this is the og victim because why would victim, the first stick figure ever made, have no powers while all of Alan’s stick figures do? Two great references of powers coming late/almost none come from SC in episodes 5 and 6 pt1, and hangman in a YouTube short. We know SC didn’t discover his powers AT LEAST 5 months after his creation in episode 4, triggered to use these powers in episode 5 after being tossed into a wall, and being confused when CO tries to teach him, as well as SC’s lack of using his powers in between this time period. Hangman on the other hand was one of Alan’s stick figures who went limp seconds later coming alive with no sign of having powers, proving that some drawn stick figures might not realize they have powers until later on in their life, thus making victim as likely as having powers as every other Alan’s stickfigures and the powers SC displayed in episode 5 could have been victim’s, explaining why SC doesn’t remember or use his powers often, because victim was in control after being tossed into a wall and gave control back to SC after the battle with DL. If it was the clone in episode 6 pt1, then the search for CO’s powers makes more sense since the clones wasn’t drawn by Alan, the reason why his stick figures have superpowers while others don’t.

I think the clone!victim is the mercenary leader and og!victim reincarnated SC would make the story so much more interesting as well, with both trying to create their own identities while avoiding their destiny. The clone trying to become CO due to possibly mistaking him victim or one of their clones who managed to escape (CO was created 5 months after victim, and becoming so confusing that Alan chose to change victim’s color.) or in denial about being a victim and choosing to be a predator, and the og taking over SC’s entire life due to seeing him as a new opportunity and projects themselves onto SC instead of seeing him as an individual.

Can the og victim come back? Possibly. I just don’t want anyone to get their hopes up when the leader of the mercenaries isn’t victim. I’m simply passing out possible theories to who the villain is, because frankly, I would be disappointed if it was the og due to duplicating DL’s story of escaping and getting revenge on your creator’s creations, all the build up of SC being victim becoming pointless, and who is the first coming that SC is meant to take over?

[illmoraineakoi]

So, I know I'm a little (very) late to the AvA stuff, but I was rewatching AvM Season 3 for the seven hundredth time and, well, I noticed something and I'm curious to know if it's been discussed before.

AvM Episode 29, Purple's story, specifically, Pink's death.

Her color changes as she dies, or is represented to have died.

It fades to grey.

Now, the question is, can we, or rather should we, use this to infer anything lore-related? Was this just an artistic choice to depict the act of becoming unhealthy/dying, or could this be what actually happens to stick figures that die over a period of time? Are their colors linked to their health?

Let's have a bit of fun with it, and presume that the fading of one's color can happen to a stick figure for health-related reasons, as the scene could imply.

This fading seems to involve loosing the saturation of one's color into grey. Saturation is how vibrant a color is, and the complete lack of saturation is greyscale.

The World-of-Alan reason for Pink's death is that she 'got sick', which is where the health connection of this theory comes from. If she did loose her color as she was dying as the notes depict, that loss of color was likely a result of her failing health rather than any other factors, like age or outside variables. A whole bunch of human body stuff are indicators for good vs poor health, including skin color (jaundice and cyanasis are good examples) so why not a stick's color for them?

What if, when they fully die, they lose all of their original color?

Now, let me propose this…

Who else do we know of who has had their color loose vibrancy?

What if Victim's color has lightened because he's ill?

[p1ctur3]

imagine if yellow escaped like this

i wonder if the colour gang can respawn back in their website even if they died outside of alan's computer

bonus: a very tramatised worker

[stickkitty]

what if…

So you know how TSC in the warden episode seems to be talking to themself? What if that is the same cowboy-TSC from Animation vs Education?

[storgicdealer]

PEOPLE. PEOPLE OF THIS POST. HOLD. ON. i just discovered something that MIGHT back up this hc (even though its a detail!!!)

prev rb isa's tags<-

HOLD ON. BRO. HOLD ON. THIS IS SO REAL

and i just remembered that i screenshot something recently for future potential ideas

MUTE CHOSEN REALNESS !!!!!!!!!

also fucking crying at this again

hey so @bittersweetbeet has a headcanon that Chosen is selectively mute, and that's great, but it got me thinking (in terms of canon-ish) (since the sticks don't really talk in canon) (also sorry for the ping)

Chosen was on the PC for years, with a creator who definitely can't hear him.

Did he ever speak during that time?

Did he ever try to defend himself, only to fall silent when met with chains and apathy?

Do you think his voice was terribly hoarse when he first saw Dark, because he'd never had someone to talk to?

Y'all I talk about the CG having a crisis over Purple, the first stick figure from outside the PC they'd ever seen, but at least they had each other.

Chosen had never seen another stick figure before ever, and had never had anyone to talk to

[irislunace]

NOT ME ANALYZING THEIR CHARACTERS

But yeah, I'm analyzing their characters.

This time, it's in Green's vid, Vlog through Minecraft! It's a very specific moment that a lot of people have talked about already...and some others!

And of course, I'm talking about...this one.

So, if you've watched the vid, you can tell that the rest of the CG is already getting tired.

In this scene, Red leaves first. He's already crossed his arms, and looks incredibly impatient and done. As many people hc him as the youngest, this would explain his behavior. Or, in the next two influencer vids, he'll be the one most opposed to Green's perfectionist tendencies.

Second leaves second (lol). Second doesn't really do anything before leaving, and it mostly just looks like he's leaving because Red is, or maybe going to ask if Red's okay or something.

Now, Yellow leaves next. Yellow had already scratched his head in boredom, and he was just wondering why he needed to be there. This may also signify that, in the rest of the arc, Yellow may be strongly opposed to the idea.

And Blue leaves last. He leaves almost immediately after Yellow, but he does stay with Green a bit longer. As he's usually chill and pacifistic, he probably wants to avoid the inevitable conflict. And him and Green have been close friends since the beginning. But he, like the others, will be opposed, though maybe not as strongly.

And another thing I noticed:

The title. Green's highlighted, and the others are walking rather disinterestedly. Maybe part of the conflict is that Green will start to make it all about him rather than them, since the title is GREEN's Minecraft vlog and not THE GANG's Minecraft vlog. Now, I know this is Green's channel, and Green's the most involved, but it was showcasing the Gang before...

Well, thanks for coming to my TED talk ig.

[fruitypi]

Good morning, afternoon, evening or night everybody! Recently I've seen the theory "what if red wore a vira-band". And I got an idea :}

(PS: I just realized I didn't draw second coming 😢)

Pssst! Here's the second part!

[storgicdealer]

taking this out of tags RIGHT NOW

tags by @navy-leader

this. makes me go fucking insane. continuing

im still going fucking insane about my last tags

there's NO possible way of victim not seeing something that was streamed on alans channel and respectively streamed in the outernet. its canon that avm original was streamed there. even if it wasnt every episode of avam it is still there. victim lives there and knows what outernet has (and most likely knows about oranges and cg existence. not their powers but existence from at least an avm original episode)

and given that vic learned about chosen and that he was wanted. that victim KNEW about their existence and chased after them. that he had seen something that made him realize that chosen inherently had ties with alan??

one of my thoughts is that only specific stuff is accessible to outernet in canon. maybe not even the whole content of vids. (though the avm original was sixteen minutes and in "the king" it is seen that the video streamed is also sixteen minutes) which could explain how victim only knew a small bit of stuff and didnt just see the a bit of a whole thirty minute willingly and went "well thats all i gotta know about it".

its likely victim accessed chosen(and possibly dark) videos streamed and connected the dots by recognizing alan, similar methods of torturing chosen and the interface of alans pc.

(since its canon victims torture is on youtube and possibly chosens its kinda fucked if they accessed it as well. which perhaps made them even more vengeful)

thought. was showdown something that was streamed or something that was uploaded on youtube? at least the beginning of it?? and victim knew only bits of it???. it could be possible that victim knew about chosen&dark place of living and darks technology. from just bits of information and his company couldve investigated it? but ultimately didnt find chosen nor dark there. and therefore placed a damn bounty on chosen. and they mightve used leftover darks technology there for their own shit. victim knowing about darks tech and possibly small pieces of the showdown could also be explained that he didnt seem to mind the events taken before yellow coded the cursor into the outernet when going through chosens memory. but it does make me think whether victim knew that the cg went back to the pc and therefore didnt place wanted posters of them ??? did he know about darks death and therefore didnt place wanted posters of dark?? wouldnt he try any means to find how to get to alan? is it possible that only the cursor and tscs awakening parts of the showdown video were erased and vic, again, wanted to see more to it (i had a thought that he couldve known what is up with the showdown due to having surveillance technology but im doubting it because chosen and dark lived really secludedly from the city).

but in case the showdown was somewhat seen? by other sticks? and vic couldve known about darks and chosen terror shit from other sticks/a news outlet? oh my god i just realized something

so theres a comic about me wondering how did sticks treat chosens&dark terror in the internet and possibly outernet too. that dark blasted a whole fucking beam in the sky near the stickcity and it wasnt unable to be seen. could victim see that???? could he connect the dots that it was hollowheads power??

the rocket logo. dude. i JUST THOUGHT about it yesterday. and it made so much sense to me

my possible thought was. that victim did escape alanspc through the ip/pc sky. somewhat. in one way or another. and it was the reason why a rocket was picked as the corporations logo.

a rocket is something that is able to literally fly to the sky. to access the higher parts of the world. the ip/sky part of it that had a wormhole to alan in it. the person victim chased after.

and given that rocketcorp specializes on tech. another reason to it besides victims knowledge and ability to use it before and deciding to bring it into the outernet and devote a whole company to it. a rocket is literally something that is made of technology. and since they had to chose a logo that symbolizes tech

victim chose something that represented his goal.

fucking insane about it

i basically treat it as a base for my theories that victim established/reformed a corporation that used internet technologies he himself brought into the outernet (in one way or another). but his company is widely known as a regular tech company that produces all different kinds of it. including domestic stuff like tvs and surveillance cameras and also weapons. but due to technology and digital stuff literally forming the internet and outernet itself they also act as some force in the outernet that upkeeps and protects its citizens. since theyre the only ones with that kind of power

and all these projects that cover many areas of technology that are made by them are used to cover their shady underground shit like. the box and torture and victims true goal (which i believe he could be secret about even to his mercs and colleagues)

and that the point of victim bringing internet technology there. his whole plan of revenge.

it is done in order to protect his kind from something that he experienced. giving them a mean to defend themselves. ESPECIALLY after knowing cursors of users can be manifested in the outernet and damage sticks.

and he is the kind to be ruthless about it if it means creating safety. something he lacked.

(violence and oppression cant be solved with peaceful talks kind of mentality)

im fucking INSANE about this right NOW.

also. another thought

giving the possibility that victim "fell down" from the ip/sky. him providing the internet with basically "divine power" that regular kind of outernet sticks didnt have. him trying to protect outernet sticks from danger and death.

makes the interpretation of victim with angelic/halo symbolism in the fandom so much more sense. and so fucking amazing. oh my god i NEED to make something about this idea.

tom you opened a whole different dimension to my thinking and it fills in the holes ive thought about. im going to be so fucking insane and annoying about this.

pinning this. im

(go to tags here if you want to see my another idea of victim that is so fucking. mind changing to me)

[storgicdealer]

honestly i might have to agree with prev inksandpens at this one

like YEAH. i dont find dark suddenly being all okay with chosen after all the stuff that went down. and at the same time i don't see him as someone who just wouldn't give a crap about him.

when it comes to his character i find him as a person that might take things too personally and drastically. but he also doesn't seem like the guy that wouldn't reason or at least try to preserve what he has — it's noticeable in the showdown that up until he saw chosen being actually persistent about stopping him he was only defending himself and didn't use the opportunities to attack. in case of victim (supposing dark still has the resources or at least some preserved powers) i could, actually, see him as someone who would try to get chosen out of confinement. mostly (or, at least, having it seem to be the main reason) for his own plans to continue the terror on the internet and trying to get help with doing so, but also due to still having compassion for chosen and wanting to have him by his side again. the latter was still the person to always be by his side for 8+ years.

also, just thinking of his character, i can't exactly see him as a person to really team up with vic – at least for a genuine reason. i don't find him as a person that would go in line with a whole corporate that, besides fulfilling vic's plan, has other stuff to do and care about. i believe dark would confront his goals upfront without giving it an enormous amount of consideration and just dealing with obstacles along the way — after all, he does have power, and i am supposing he considers himself to be above powerless sticks as well. in case he involves himself with the corporate somehow, i believe it would be just to gain resources to enact his plans, and he would be willing to attempt destroying what victim has just to have more power. (which does, actually, back up the possibility of rocketcorp already having dark in confinement — given what they did to chosen and what happened to dark in showdown, it's possible he would try to get access to some kind of pc technology, but due to his own state after literally being blasted into the ground he would fail to consider that he can be overpowered.)

i try to analyse all possibilities for his potential comeback !!! at the same time, i do find some events to be more likely to take place. that it is possible for him to try and get chosen on his side again, and get him out for both dark's own plans and the desire to reconcile — but he also wouldn't hesitate to back off from doing so in case chosen would still be determined to not allow the other to proceed with his goals. generally, i find it to be possible for him to have a failed redemption arc, or at least having his redemption path to be a long, incredibly difficult process. either way, if he does save him, i don't believe it would be for badguyturnedgood reasons, and he would fail to redeem himself by his own, with possibly the only way to do so is by having an external force in the face of another confrontation with chosen or, potentially, second, to get him to redefine who he is and his goal.

I find it hilarious how so many of those "Dark returns in AVA 6!" theories/predictions feature Dark suddenly being a good guy and rescuing Chosen like he wouldn't just team up with Victim to get revenge on Chosen for fucking over his plans lmao.

[jijjmoon]

Waving to me at somewhere in the parrell universe

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help my brain started to thing abt AvLogic and made full story from ancient philosophy to mathathical logic, set theory, Russell's paradox, incompleteness theorems, Turing machine and finally moving to computer science

[2036sator]

[[ im back!!!!!!!!!! not that my exams are over , just the hard ones so i'll be posting art soon !! for now i'll just put this one ere ]]

[rodentjazz]

Tarot cards based on my Lunadeyis and Aster designs

[midgetmoth]

I have realized somehing with the news of a possible Farmer Vic. I looked back at “The Box” episode, and rewatched a specific scene.

The lasso scene. I never really considered it, but Vic knows how to use that lasso very, very well. During the scene, we as the audience see this as a callback to the first episode Victim was introduced into. The video that showed him and his clone using the different tools to fight against their creator.

But this is very different with the context of how GOOD Victim is at using the lasso tool. He didn’t just learn to use it, he learned to master it. He snagged Chosen out of the air-

-and then brought him in. Closing the distance, pulling on the rope until-

-he tugged on the end and brought Chosen straight to him.

To anyone, this was a clear message to Vic’s capabilities with working with tools, but what stood out to me was the scene that happens immediately after.

Chosen starts attempting to flee from Vic, dazed and already pinned, and Victim?

.. He cracks the whip, showing his strength behind the hit, the anger. The camera then slowly zooms in on Chosen-

Its this slow, subtle rise in music that we suddenly understand what’s going on. Chosen knows who this is now, Chosen suddenly remembers exactly who this is.

Everyone has been joking about how Farmer Vic’s home is about to get nuked by fire in the next AVA drop, but if that is the context: Everything lines up.

Victim having a reason to hurt Chosen, Chosen not even remembering who Victim is despite destroying his home, Victim’s cold reaction to seeing the Dark Lord getting nuked by Second(Orange) in the scene where it shows his death.

Everything suddenly makes sense. Victim isn’t just attacking Chosen because he can.

Victim isn’t just getting his revenge on Alan.

He is shaming the god who hurt his friends. The animals, the sticks who took Victim in upon his first fall down to the lands he’s now stuck in.

He was casted by his god to die, but was saved by strangers. He was given a home with cattle and lamb, given food and comfort. For once in his life he was safe and free from pain.

Then Chosen and Dark came along, born from the same god that had casted Victim aside. The same god who now unwilling unleashed hell upon the lands.

Victim would have watched his new friends and family burn. He could have watched the horror happen right in front of him. He hates the hollows for what they did, reminding him of his past creator, of his past in general. Filled with grief and sorrows he wished to swallow down, but instead was forced to live with.

So he hatched a plan, one to be seen by us, but in my opinion? He’s already succeeded in half of his plan.

He has humiliated the so-called “God” “, “The Chosen One”, and “The Dark Lord” is dead. Two threats now no longer threats. Now all he needs to do is reach Alan.

.. but then what? What happens when the smoke clears, when Alan is gone? Will he return to his life before? Will he try to leave behind his men and venture on to finally find his peace? Will he feel complete or content with his decisions?

Will he finally feel okay to grieve? To cry for what he has lost? To hold the remains of what was his first real life? Will he feel remorseful to those he hurt along the way? Will he ever say sorry or forgive any who hurt him?

If you ask me, no. I don’t think he ever will say sorry or forgive anyone, and he has a right to. He was born to be nothing more then a Victim to other’s crimes. He was born to be nothing more then a Victim to other’s wrath. He never deserved to be hurt, he never deserved to be tormented by a god that should have loved him.

Victim deserved to be happy. He deserved to have friends, play games, venture to new lands, see the beauty of life and enjoy it. He deserved to be held as he cried, hugged closely when scared, and protected when threatened.

Victim, Vic, deserved to live, and not suffer.

but because of Alan’s actions, because of Dark and Chosen’s actions, he does.

and now it’s no longer Vic who’s becoming the Victim.