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bandedbulbussnarfblat · 1 year ago
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y'all iwtv fareed is gonna invent mpreg
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demi-god77 · 9 months ago
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BYLER GATES: A GUIDE
(A masterpost explaining all the different theories, for anyone who is also lost with how many there are)
THE BIG 4
Flickergate: This theory involves a lot of time shenanigans and is connected to the Will having powers in s5 one (possibly manipulation of time or electricity). Theory claims Will and Mike will kiss in the UD, specifically outside Mike's garage, paralleling 1x01. Will is going to tell the truth at the same time his s1 self is ("it was a seven"), causing the garage light to flicker on Nov. 6th 1983.
Birthdaygate: This theory suggests that the Duffers didn't actually forget Will's birthday is March 22nd (the day of the rink-o-mania incident). It claims that Vecna is actually manipulating the characters' memories (possibly even Will's), making them forget his birthday in the process, maybe in an attempt to make him feel excluded/lonely and making him vulnerable. (Similar to the beginning of Harry Potter and the chamber of secrets, which happened to be on the inspo board for S4)
But also the Creel murders themselves happened on March 22nd.
Churchgate: More UD kiss related theories! This one claims Will is going to get Vecna'd or possessed in the Upside Down church (and that he's going to hurt/choke Mike in the process). With a crazy amount of religious symbolism, Mike would be the one breaking him out of his trance, through a kiss or a confession.
(More thorough explanation here.)
Lettergate: This gate's truthers believe that Mike did actually write to Will in the time period between s3 and s4, but never sent the letters. Said letters (signed "Love, Mike") are going to make an appearance in s5, revealing his true feelings. (Great post that has to do with this gate here)
Also related to:
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OTHER GATES
Pocketgate: Very connected to Lettergate™️, this theory has to do with Mike's infamous triangle shaped pocket in S4. It suggests that the letter signed Love, Mike is hidden in said pocket throughout s4, since it very closely resembles an envelope. Triangles have also been used in ST as a queer symbol (with Robin) and Mike's pocket consistently points to Will like an arrow.
Phonegate: Kinda similar to the previous two, this gate claims Mike did actually call the Byers in Lenora. For some reason, the calls didn't go through, either because of Joyce's telemarketer job OR because of Vecna manipulating things again (cough, birthdaygate, cough).
This is backed up by one of Dustin's lines, saying that the Byers' phone line is always busy and Mike won't stop complaining about it. We know he must have been calling WILL, since the whole reason he was communicating with El using letters is that they couldn't talk on the phone.
Loverslakegate: Related to Lovers' lake (obviously). The lake is shaped like a heart, tying into its name, but it was split in two after the gates opened, now resembling a broken one (and Mike is ofc referred to as "the heart" so it could be a reference to him).
According to this theory, Mike and Will are going to kiss/become lovers near said lake/Reefer Rick's house.
Heartgate: To put it simply: Heart reflections EVERYWHERE. This one is better explained through pictures:
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Also: Different heartgate but really interesting
Colorgate: I don't think I have to explain this one tbh but anyway
Blue meets yellow in the west.
Mike and Will have been HEAVILY associated with blue and yellow respectively since the beginning of the show (even wearing eachother's colours in both of their arguments). There's an insane amount of evidence that backs this one up.
It's speculated that the Russian code in s3 was foreshadowing for s4 ("The silver cat feeds when Blue meets Yellow in the west") Silver cat: Vecna who started killing when Mike (Blue) met Will (Yellow) in the west (California, literally west of Indiana)
Curtaingate: "They don't spent their lives trying to get a look at what's behind the curtain [...] They like the curtain. It provides them comfort, stability, definition" -Murray 2x05
Mike and El are pretty consistently framed in front of CLOSED (and more often than not, yellow) curtains, or ones that have closed blinds. According to this theory, closed curtains represent not being honest with one's true feeling. So, the truth about Mike's feelings is beyond the curtain and in s5 he will open it (and come out)
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Motelgate: This one has to do with the dreaded two day time skip at the end of S4. Theory claims the Cali crew stayed at a motel during that time skip and the scenes were cut for time, but we'll flash back to them in s5. It's based on a photo a production assistant posted from the New Mexico filming, as well as some bts pics of the Cali Crew playing board games in a motel.
Shoegate: In S4, we see a pair of Will's shoes in his bedroom. In s5, Mike seems to be wearing that exact pair. This, in addition to the fact that they wear the same shoe size (a 10 according to their rollerskates from 4x02), lead people to theorize they will share clothes/shoes in s5. More importantly though, this theory suggests Mike is figuratively being put into Will's shoes (maybe pining?). Also, both of them wear the same shoes they wore in s2. Interestingly enough though, even though the design is the same, the colors are reversed (so their roles will be reversed too).
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Possessiongate: This one runs DEEP so I'm going to link a bunch of posts
To put it VERY simply: this theory claims Vecna somehow attached himself to Mike (maybe when the vine grabbed him by the leg in the S2 tunnels- right before he started acting weird in s3 and s4) and he has been influenced/possessed for some time now.
He's not the dungeon master anymore, he's not in control. Both in s3 and s4 someone ELSE is the DM when they play D&D (Will and Eddie respectively)
More here and here
Victimgate: Very closely related to the previous one, this one suggests that MIKE was originally supposed to be Vecna's 4th victim instead of Patrick. Since Max escaped the first time, SHE ended up being the last victim but the original plan was for it to be Patrick. However, Patrick's curse doesn't fit the theme of all of the previous ones. We only see one of his visions, he gets cursed for ONE DAY, as opposed to the other 3 that are cursed for almost a week and we also know very little about him, even though we gradually knew more about the previous victims. Chrissy (no relation to main characters) -> Fred (friends w/ Nancy) -> Max (main character who we've known since s2)
More thorough explanation here
Twelvegate: This one is not really Byler related but i wanted to include it anyway
Theory claims Will was one of the lab kids (specifically 012) and him and El are actual twins. There are mentions of Will and El looking similar since s1, and a lot of twin imagery.
This theory obviously ties in with the Will having powers one and some people believe he wasn't 012, but him and El have a deeper connection/may be actually related. It could theoretically explain Henry's connection to Will, as well as things like El seemingly recognizing him in s1.(Alternatively called rainbowshipgate, because of the rainbow ship drawing Joyce mentions in s2 and the rainbow room)
Eightfifteengate: Again, not explicitly Byler but it's quite crazy.
TL;DR: The time 8:15 seems to have great significance in the show and it's mentioned all the time, if not by the characters themselves, (Eg. "It's 8:15, you're late"- El s2) then by small details in the background. There's even a whole track named after it.
Will left the Wheelers' house at 8:15 and it's the EXACT timestamp of his disappearance in 1x01. It's also the time in which most of the UD related weirdness happens and so it's very likely the UD is stuck on 8:15. (Also you know, 15-8=7)
Radiationgate: Related to the previous one! Clocks in Chernobyl are stuck on 8:15 and Hiroshima has been described figuratively as being frozen in time. Henry has burns identical to Chernobyl victims and almost all of his + his victims' symptoms can be explained through radiation exposure. As this post explains, for radiation levels between 8.3-11 Gy (SI unit for absorbed radiation), symptoms start with headaches and disorientation, move on to unconsciousness and bleeding (the exact symptoms of his victims) and finally, death happens at around 7 days (which is about how long Vecna's curse lasts AND how long Will was in the UD for)
Whiterabbitgate: The song "White Rabbit" is the first song in the show and it plays when we first get a sense of El's powers. Theory suggests it will also be the last song in the show (coming full circle) with either Will using his powers, or Willel using their powers together.
In general though, ST has a lot of similarities/parallels to Alice in Wonderland. The white rabbit constantly being late (Mike is late to something at the start of every season), great significance to clocks/ticking/time, a lot of hallucinations/visions, the overall similarities between the Upside Down and Wonderland. Henry's sister was literally named Alice Creel and there is SO much rabbit imagery throughout the show. There are also direct references to AIW with set pieces and paintings.
Soundtrackgate: This one has to do with the Stranger Things OST and the overall insane musical symbolism throughout the show. A lot of different theories talk about the show's soundtrack, but this one talks about 3 tracks in particular: Being Different, The First Lie, The First I love You
To put it briefly: "The First I love You" plays in both Robin's coming out scene and El's kiss with Mike at the end of s3 (Already a weird parallel). The three tracks not only share the same melody, but they also sync up perfectly. "Being Different" (s4 van scene) and "The First Lie" (Nancy and Jonathan's kiss in s2) especially, match up together to create an entirely new track, completing eachother. The scenes featuring those three tracks also share very similar themes at their core. (This post goes into a lot of detail!)
Playlistgate: Character playlists! At a certain point, every character's official playlist on Spotify was deleted, except for three: Mike's, Will's and Billy's. Songs were seemingly being added/deleted for no reason to the Mike and Will ones and people were struggling to make sense of it all.
Also, Mike's character playlist in particular is VERY interesting (so many byler coded songs, as well as "Smalltown Boy" a gay anthem, about a young gay boy forced to leave his home town to escape from their disapproval and homophobia.) There are three playlists on Finn's spotify that are very incriminating. "Love songs" (That has "BOYS DON'T CRY" on it, a song that Will literally has a poster of in his room), "drive" and the most recent one "STurn". These playlists feature songs like "Let her go", "Angst in my pants", "Me and Michael", "Gay thoughts" just to name a few. Basically a lot of the songs on all four playlists seem very relevant to some complicated feelings about Mike's relationship with El/Will but also with himself and his sexuality.
Scriptgate: Oh boy. Here we go.
On August 5th 2022, the byler fandom got #bylerscript trending worldwide on Twitter while waiting for the 8flix account (run by Nick Runyeard) to release some supposed s4 scripts (that people PAID for, mind you). These scripts dropped on August 8th, featuring lines like: "I hate who I am" from Will in the van scene, "His mouth dry, like a California summer" from the bedroom apology scene and also, Will seemingly recognizing Brenner at NINA, despite never meeting him in canon.
These turned out to be fake and the community was in shambles. Nick started calling people psychos, the Stranger Writers tweeted that everyone got scammed, Nick privated his account and the authenticity of some released s2-s3 scripts was questioned. This post explains the entire situation in detail.
Breathgate: This one is also script related and specifically about a Mike/Max parallel.
In the official van scene script, when Mike sees Will's painting "his breath catches." Then, when Lucas asks Max to the Friday movie date, "(her) breath catches" as well. People caught on that parallel very fast and since the latter is obviously a romantic moment, it boosted their confidence for both Byler and Lumax endgame.
Piggybackgate: This one refers to two different situations/theories.
One, the seemingly deliberate framing of Mike and Will inside the little bubble in El's piggyback drawing (and it referening to Byler). The framing is especially suspicious, because the bubble drawing was drawn two separate times (it's different from one shot to the other). In the second shot, they're framed directly inside of it.
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Two, Mike in his monologue essentially piggybacking off of Will's van confession. His monologue was going off of El's feelings, but since they weren't actually El's, the speech was based on Will's feelings. It also ties in with the parallel/foreshadowing between the monologue and Suzie's house, with Will being paralleled to the "director" kid, directing a "choking" Tabitha and their dad (more thorough explanation here).
Footballgate: On December 25 2024, the vast majority of the byler community spent their Christmas watching hours of NFL football, in the hopes we would maybe get a teaser or at the very least a release date for s5. This started from leakers saying we would most likely get something during the game.
We got nothing.
People were disappointed they wasted hours of their lives watching a sport they neither cared for or knew anything about, and the only thing we learned is that we would probably get something before the end of January 2025.
THE SILLIES
(aka the joke-theories/memes)
Miniongate: Mike and Will are secretly minions. (Because you know, minions are primarily blue and yellow)
This information will be revealed to us in s5 and they will have a magical girl-esque transformation where we see their true minion form. (Original post here)
Localvillagegate: Related to the leaked Mike and El rooftop scene.
Basically, a mlvn used AI to lip read the scene and try to figure out what Mike is saying (and then posted the video on Twitter).
According to them, Mike was telling El they were going to leave the local village (AKA Hawkins) together and travel to a beautiful faraway land with "like, three waterfalls or something" (and also that she has to "improve her motivation", whatever that means).
People thought it was hilarious and started making a ton of memes based on it.
Parrotgate: This is directly connected to localvillagegate™️ and it was created by @cloudycleric in one of his streams.
Basically, the parrots are gay and represent Will and Mike, who in s5 will kiss under the three waterfalls depicted on the image.
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Backgroundguygate: People making headcanons and creating backstories for random extras. The star of this gate is Barrett, an extra from the Lenora high school, who wears a barrette, bright red pants and a shirt that says "Hell".
According to this gate, he's actually gay and in love with Will. He has a goth best friend named Claire who is a lesbian and in love with El.
Chancegate: The theme of shipping Will with random extras continues on strong
Chance is one of Jason's friends and part of the basketball team. People thought he was attractive and somewhere along the line started making headcanons for him and shipping him with Will (Bychance). Basically, they're gonna date and Mike will be jealous.
Mikhailgate: More shipping Will with randoms! (I'm beginning to see a pattern here)
Originally created by @paladin-n-cleric
Enzo in S4 mentions his son, Mikhail Antonov. Mikhail is the Russian name for Micheal.
People started making jokes that Mikhail would arrive to Hawkins from Russia in s5 and shipped him with Will (Willhail), since he's like Mike but Russian and cooler. They made fanart, edits and posted pictures of Finn as Boris in "The Goldfinch" claiming it's Mikhail.
@will80sbyers then begun to ship Mikhail with El and thus the ship "Jail" was born.
Pastagate: On January 2nd 2025, Noah posted a 2024 recap on IG, which included a photo of a trailer door labeled "Rigatoni". People then started joking about Rigatoni being Will's new bf and the ship "Willoni" was born.
In reality, Rigatoni is a nickname for Noah and that was his trailer. But where's the fun in that?
Baldmikegate: Did you know Mike is actually bald and is bullied for it? Well, now you do.
In 2022, a cult was born and the byler tag was filled with edited pictures of Bald!Mike. Terrifying honestly.
Some people made posts about how the rest of the party feels about Mike's secret baldness and some even wrote FANFICS.
Gridgate/whiteboardgate/pixelgate: The Stranger Writers posted a picture of a pixelated/blurred whiteboard that had the entirety of s5 mapped out. People were desperately trying to decode it and figure out what was written on it.
On the space for episode 7, there was a "big black hole" that people went crazy trying to make sense of, only for it to be revealed as a pen holder.
Babygirlgate: The babygirlification of Mike Wheeler. That's it. That's the gate.
I think pretty much every line Will has ever said to Mike has been posted with the word "babygirl" replacing his name (it's hilarious and I love it)
Some examples here and here
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Mattduffersbasementgate: Finn and Joe made up a third Duffer brother named Pete, who has no hair for some reason and is the actual writer of Stranger Things, while Matt and Ross are just the faces of it. Pete lives in a shed/Matt's basement and that's where he writes all of the scripts.
Finn and Noah are both also being held in Matt's basement however, and they're not allowed to leave so that they don't spoil byler endgame.
Lobegate: (This gate was officially named by @tripleatechie). In January 2025, a byler went undercover, sending asks to other members of the community pretending to be a Mlvn. In one of those, they accidentally misspelled "love" as lobe, which immediately became an inside joke. People starting speculating whether or not this was an actual Mlvn and an investigation ensued. On January 7th 2025, the identity of the undercover byler was revealed as @somewiseoutthere. The mystery didn't end there though, with people wondering if this was in reality a group effort with multiple culprits. Here is a list of all the possible culprits with a full timeline here.
Blankgate: On January 26th 2025, Atlantaspotting posted on Twitter a thread with controversial claims and gossip about the cast, but replaced all the names with BLANK, making pretty much incomprehensible, and impossible to figure out who it was about. Memes were then made, replacing every name and pronoun with BLANK.
omg this took SO LONG, but I will keep adding as more gates surface
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starchaser667 · 3 months ago
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WHY did Motherspore target Jimmy out of everyone else??
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First of all, let me tell you, I had been thinking of making this post for a while, and it was originally going to be me sharing my thoughts and going crazy with theories hehe
But it turns out there's ALREADY an answer to this question, that was hinted at in Maruu and Doody's streams a couple of times, which I found out extremely late because I can never catch those live.
Still, I thought so long and hard on this, that I decided I would share my thought process anyways! Show you how deep I went before ever knowing if I was delusional or not hwjsjwjs
So here goes nothing!
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For starters, I wanna say I was initially under the impression that Jimmy's involvement in the Motherspore incident had been, for the most part, COLLATERAL DAMAGE. Like it was mainly a mix of negative factors, and maybe also Jimmy's infamous bad luck lol, that got him in that situation.
I imagined he'd been one of the many people to have fainted at the start of the whole mess, and having probably done so in his office (a more isolated place than a classroom or a break-room where most people were), he had been the easiest target; secluded enough that Motherspore had managed to capture him without any trouble or interference from anyone.
That sounded like a likely scenario! And considering it probably wasn't very important, I didn't dwell on it too much...
That was, until we got to Chapter 15, and most importantly, HOTGUY'S INTERROGATION.
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Because Hotguy brings to attention that Jimmy's position in all this is actually quite suspicious. He remarks that Jimmy had been the only person to remain in the building, when everyone else had been evacuated, which then led him to be the most difficult one to find and rescue. He wonders if there's a possibility that he stayed behind ON PURPOSE.
And while it's important to note that all of this is stated with the ill-intention of triggering Grian and forcing him to talk, it is undeniably TRUE that Jimmy's situation had been unlike anybody else's.
In fact, once I started thinking about it, I realized there's something actually odd that happened, that didn't see anyone mention and was particular to Jimmy's case... and that is that Motherspore actually fought to GET HIM BACK.
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Think about the way Motherspore acted when everyone was evacuating the building, or rather, how she DIDN'T ACT. Sure, people were fainting, which I don't know if it was an intentional move on her part or simply a side-effect of the spores in the air, but with some help they were all able to get out safely.
And she let it happen, and not because she lacked the power to stop it. She could've had people trapped in the fungus like Jimmy was, she could've covered the exits in it so people wouldn't be able to escape, she could've attacked Hotguy the second he stepped in to help, yet she didn't.
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But when JIMMY was the one being taken away?? She willed the fungus to grab at him and drag him back towards her, proceeded to literally pounce on Hotguy. And judging by the shocked look on his face, we can assume and confirm that was the first time he was met with resistance and hostility on this foe's end.
So after pondering all this I suddenly went HOLD ON. What if Jimmy being captured wasn't just an unfortunate coincidence? Because it's starting to look as if he was intentionally singled out... OMG what if he was actually TARGETED???
And oh boy did that set me off.
I rapidly started coming up with quite a few ideas as to why that could've been the case. Could it have simply been because he's related to Grian?? Or because he's also a witch?? Maybe specifically because of his mind-reading ability?? And so on.
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BUT, as I said before, there's already a kinda answer to this question, as to why Motherspore went after Jimmy, that was revealed in one of Maruu and Doody's streams, which might be the reason why lots of people like myself hadn't heard about it.
Doody responded that the one thing she could say about the matter is that it was important to remember that Motherspore is fundamentally STILL GRIAN, just taken to a more primal, slightly fucked up level. They mentioned that this version of Grian is guided primarily by instinct, and I quote, "is protecting the things that are dear to him and attacking what seems like a threat."
And OMG do you know what this MEANS??
It means that yes, Motherspore did target Jimmy, but not exactly for the reasons I first suspected. It wasn't because she had wanted to hurt him or use him in any way, but because she had wanted to PROTECT HIM!! That's why she hid him away from everyone else, and why she went to greater lengths to keep him there!!
And dude I just think that's so sweet 😭 that even in a corrupted state of mind, Grian was able to recognize his cousin and still strived to keep him safe no matter what <3
And I think this is very important information to have, because it makes their interaction in Chapter 14 even MORE heartbreaking than it already was.
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Because we know Grian was DEVASTATED to see Jimmy hurt, and even more horrified at the notion that he had likely been the cause of it. And I just know that guilt is part of the reason why he denied his offering to stay, why he decides to push him away. He believes it would be safer for Jimmy to keep his distance, even if it breaks both their hearts.
And this is so incredibly sad because Grian DOESN'T KNOW. He doesn't know that Motherspore never wished Jimmy any harm, that in her own messed-up way, she tried to defend him from everything.
He has no idea that caring for Jimmy is such a core part of him, that any version of himself can't help doing the same...
Anyways they make me sick <3 can't wait to read and find out more!!!
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TLDR: Found out Motherspore didn't capture Jimmy for malicious reasons, but because Grian was unconsciously trying to protect him, and now I'm emotional :'(
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you-call-it-a-dude · 1 year ago
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Call It What You Want Pt.3
Pt.1 Pt.2 Pt.4 Pt.5 Pt.6
Summary: You get together with your friends to catch up on life and they're skeptical about what you're doing with Regina. A house party at Shane Oman's house gives Regina the chance to prove them wrong
Pairings: Regina George x Gender Neutral/Fem Reader
Warnings: internalized homophobia, underage drinking, drug use (there's some coke involved, but nothing too crazy I promise)
Notes: Hi! Chapter 3 and I'm just having so much fun with these. Listen, I know there's another party, but it's college. I'm keeping it realistic lol but also, next chapter will be a small time jump and they'll get more well established. Just trying to have some fun and build it up and see how things are shifting I guess?? Anyway, I really hope you like this chapter as well and thank you all for taking the time to read. Also, slight mention of drug use, but just a little dabble. But TW just in case. But I kept it not super crazy and kinda light for that reason
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You were at your desk with your headphones on, doing your best attempt to do the readings for one of your classes that was due tomorrow. You always had a tendency to wait until the last minute for things, citing the excuse that working under pressure helps you think better. College may be testing the limits of that theory, but so far you haven't failed anything horrendously. It's only been a month since classes started though so there's still time.
Two arms wrapped around you from behind, caressing your chest and collarbone. You shot forward in your seat, ripping your headphones off your head and whipping your chair around to confront your roommate for majorly crossing a fucking boundary when you were met with a laughing Regina instead.
"Chill out, it's just me. Your roommate let me in before they left."
You stared up at her waiting for your heart to calm down. Though, staring at her wasn't doing you much good cause now it was just beating faster in a whole different way.
She was dressed up, her oversized designer purse that she uses for her backpack was sitting by your doorway so you know she must have stopped here right after class.
Something about that makes you feel all warm and giddy inside.
You also try not to think about the fact that you haven't seen her in like almost two weeks though.
"What brings you by?" You leaned forward, resting your forehead against her stomach and closing your eyes when her hands find their way to your scalp, massaging softly.
"I wanted to see you. I've just been busy with classes and soccer stuff lately." She gave your hair a tug so you would tilt your head back and look at her.
"When's your first game?" You questioned, your hands finding the backs of her thighs because that's what was within your reach and you almost felt like if you weren't touching her right now, you would implode.
"We've already had like three games."
"Oh." You said, your eyebrows furrowed. The hands on the back of her thighs faltered slightly and you didn't realize how much you wanted to be present at one of her games until you basically found out you were probably never going to be invited.
"Why the face?" She frowned, rubbing her thumb between your eyebrows to essentially try to get you to fix your face.
"Can I come see you play?"
"Uh," her voice was a touch higher than normal and you knew whatever was about to fly out of her mouth was either going to be a lie or something you probably didn't want to hear.
"Don't worry about it." You shook your head and gave her a tight lipped smile, leaning back in your chair.
"Stop, don't be like that." She straddled your lap and you tightened your grip on the back of her thighs because the last thing you needed was for her to fall. "I just can't have any distractions while I'm there."
"No, yeah. That makes sense." You agreed for the sake of moving past this conversation, but you also weren't really looking at her either. She gripped your face with both her hands, forcing you to look at her.
"Stop, Y/N." Her tone sounded less playful and you knew you just needed to let it the fuck go. You nodded and she squeezed your cheeks, pushing your lips out and planting a kiss on your lips. You quickly caught her lips for a second kiss before she could pull away and you could feel her smile against your lips.
She slid her hands down and cupped your neck, deepening the kiss. You could feel her rubbing her thumbs along your jawline and having Regina George sitting on your lap kissing you has to be what heaven feels like.
"I have to finish my homework." You mumbled against hers lips, pulling her closer to you by the backs of her thighs. She responds by grinding down into you, shaking her head no. You gasped when her hips moved against you again and she wasted no time slipping her tongue into your mouth.
"Fuck your homework." She said before bringing you in for another heated kiss.
It was tempting. God, it was so fucking tempting. The way she was grinding against you was making your brain short circuit so you know trying to get anything done would be impossible.
"Stay here with me and hangout." You pulled away from the kiss to look at her, pushing some stray hairs from her face. "Ren will be gone for a while. It'll just be us. I can order pizza, too."
"Ugh, I guess I could do some homework, too." She said begrudgingly.
"You probably should if you want to keep playing soccer."
"You probably should if you want to keep playing soccer." She mocked, rolling her eyes at you.
But the fact that she had her arms draped over your shoulder and had been twirling the hairs at the back of your neck around her finger really made you feel like she was not as upset about spending time with you as she was trying to let on.
"What kind of pizza do you want, beautiful?" You sneak in one more quick kiss because you just couldn't help it.
"Would you judge me if I just said cheese?"
"Never."
You both just stared at each other in silence for a few moments. One of Regina's hands moved to cup your cheek, her thumb swiping against your cheekbone. She leaned in and pressed a soft, slow kiss against your lips.
"I'm gonna change and get everything I need from my room. I'll be back." She gave you one more quick kiss before getting off your lap and you felt almost desperate the way you tried to keep your hands on her until she walked out of reach. So desperate that even having your fingertips on her felt better than nothing.
She took her keys from her bag and left it sitting against your wall. There was no question about whether or not she was coming back. When she closed the door behind her you hopped out of your desk chair and to to work on straightening up your room.
You fixed your bed, moved some clothes out of the way that were in the way. You had this bean-bag lounge chair thing that your mom got you and you pulled it out from the little space between the wall and your dresser where you shoved it because it took up way too much room to keep out daily.
You plopped onto the chair and called to order a large cheese pizza, opting to order from a nicer place instead of Dominos since Regina would be joining you. You got a soda for yourself and a sparkling water for Regina and added two cannolis for dessert.
Regina knocked on your door about twenty minutes later. She was dressed in comfy sweats and a crew neck, carrying a few books and her laptop and charger.
You smiled and stepped aside to let her in.
"Sooo, I have a paper to write that's due tonight that I forgot about. Where can I plug this in?"
"You can take my desk. Let me see." You looked at her charger and nodded. "We have the same one, just use mine and plug your computer in. I only have to do some reading and annotating tonight." You carefully took her charger from her and set it on her bag.
She set all her items on your desk and started to carefully move your stuff to the side, making sure to bookmark the page you were on and to put your laptop to sleep properly before closing it.
You grabbed everything she set aside and set in on your bed, grabbing on the book you needed, your pen, and a highlighter. You took everything to the beanbag chair that was situated slightly behind your desk.
"You're so far away." She commented, turning in your chair to face you with a small pout.
You chuckled and grabbed the back of the chair, dragging it to the small space between your desk and your bed and setting it there. You picked up your book and your pens and plopped down. Regina nodded in approval and turned to her computer.
After twenty minutes of straight reading your eyes needed a break. You closed your book and stretched, looking up at Regina to see her texting. Her computer screen split between an empty google doc and the school portal that actually signed her out for inactivity.
"Have you even started?" Nudging her leg with your foot.
"Hmm?" She hummed, waiting until whatever text she was working on was sent before looking up at you.
"Your paper."
"I will. Relax." She rolled her eyes and made a face at you before turning away. Which actually kind of pissed you off a little.
"Fine. Don't come crawling to me for any fucking help then." You adjusted yourself in the beanbag chair, opening your book again and continuing to read.
You could hear Regina typing every once in a while, but when you would look up you would see her doing online shopping or pretty much anything that wasn't homework. You continued to read for almost another thirty minutes until you got a call from the pizza delivery person that they were at the front desk of your dorm.
"Did you pay? Let me pay for it." She stood up, helping you off the beanbag first before attempting to go to her bag.
You pulled her back by her wrist and pulled her into you, wrapping your other arm around her waist.
"I've got it. Don't worry about." You kissed her quickly and patted her lower back before releasing her. "Get the tv remote off Ren's desk and pick something for us to watch while we eat. I'll be right back, babe."
You grabbed your keys and slipped on your shoes so you could head downstairs.
You returned a few minutes later with the box of pizza and the bag with your drinks and dessert.
Regina had cleared off space on multiple surfaces to make room for the food and for you both to eat. She was waiting for you patiently on your bed, laying comfortably against your pillows while scrolling through the streaming app of her choice.
You set the pizza down and got everything situated. Pulling out paper plates and napkins then making plates for the both you. Regina held both your plates while you pulled out the drinks and opened them.
"You got me a drink!" She said excitedly when she saw you pop open her sparking water.
"Yeah, baby!" You set the drinks on the edge of your desk and slid in to bed next to her, taking the outside once again.
You settled on watching Schitts Creek while you ate, having to talk her out of a Real Housewives show and reminding her that she was the one we with a paper due tonight.
You watched one episode while you ate and you watched a second one to 'let your food digest', both of you settling further into your bed. Regina had her head on your chest, rubbing the part of your arm you had wrapped around her that she could reach.
Your biggest mistake was letting her convince you to put on more episode for good measure. Actually, no. Letting her pull a blanket over the both of you was the mistake.
She was out within the first five minutes of the third episode, though your fingertips rubbing her scalp weren't really helping her stay awake.
You gave her until 8:30 before turning off the show and waking her up gently. You kissed the top of her head, calling her name after every kiss until her eyes fluttered open then back closed. She buried herself deeper into your embrace.
You found her cheek and kissed it repeatedly and obnoxiously until she got annoyed enough to wake up. It was a short nap, but you can tell it was a good one just based off the redness in her face from both how she was laying and how warm and comfortable she was.
You pushed hair from her face and handed her her drink, giving her just a few minutes to fully wake up on her own without being rushed.
When Regina was fully awake, you both made your way back to your designated homework spots. You sat more comfortably this time, your legs stretched out with your feet resting on Regina's lap. Something she had actually encouraged you to do which surprised you a little.
You had no complaints about it though. Since her deadline was creeping up on her she was actually doing her work, but whenever she would pause to read something or think about what she wanted to type out next, her hands would find their way to her lap and trace patterns on your shins and ankles to help her think.
She got her paper submitted about five minutes before the deadline. Did she almost have a few mental breakdowns? Yes. Was she cursing out her professor? Also yes. But as soon as it was submitted you could tell she was visibly relieved she got it done.
"When can I see you again?" You asked her, handing her her bag as well as a small ziplock of pizza.
"Tomorrow?"
"I can't tomorrow." You shook your head. "I'm gonna be seeing Ava and Isaac tomorrow."
"Who?" She raised her eyebrow.
"My friends? From North Shore? We are gonna meet up after classes tomorrow."
"Oh."
"What? What's wrong?" You asked, immediately detecting a shift in her mood.
"You're not gonna say anything, right?"
You swallowed the lump in your throat. You were obviously hurt that she didn't want anyone knowing, but also like if she wasn't ready she wasn't ready.
"Yeah, of course. Don't worry about it." You gave her a reassuring smile and despite the night you had together, she left without kissing you goodbye.
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You met Isaac and Ava at a burger place near your campus that they had been wanting to check out. They both went to a different university in the city so it was nice that getting together wasn't impossible because of distance.
It was just impossible because of life.
You all greeted each other excitedly and ordered your food before getting down to the nitty gritty of your catch up.
Isaac had an STI scare and told you he finally got himself put on PrEP after you had been begging him since the school year started. His parents are also filing for divorce since he and his siblings are all 18 and over which he is actually pretty thankful about cause he was sick of them together. You and Ava were shown a multitude of different Grindr profiles of the guys he's been with, offering praises for the good ones and some reality checks for the questionable folks.
Ava hasn't been too involved in the dating scene. She has begun dabbling in some drugs that were a little heftier than what was usually provided at the house parties thrown by her brother. She did tell you that if you ever hear her mention meth or heroin, that y'all had permission to get her ass to rehab. But right now, it wasn't that serious.
You definitely made them share their locations with you indefinitely though.
"So, Y/N, drop the dirty details. What's been going on with you?" Isaac asked, taking a sip of his soda.
"I've been seeing someone. Maybe? Kind of?" You felt yourself blushing just thinking of Regina.
"What do you mean maybe, kind of?" Ava jumped in defensively. It was her and Isaac's turn to play the concerned friend role with you. "Do you have a picture?"
"I do, but she's not out yet."
"What does that matter we don't know he-oh, we fucking know her don't we? From North Shore?" You nodded and Isaac smacked the table. "At your school??" You nodded again and you could see him thinking, going through the list of everyone in your class that he knew of that went to your school. Which, was not a lot. "I can only think of like five people and two of them are boys." He held up three fingers, putting them down as he went through them. "Lupe Campos, Amira Harris, and Regina George." He put his three fingers back up and wiggled them.
You shifted ever so slightly when he said Regina's name and you and Ava made eye contact. She narrowed her eyes at you and you know you've possibly been found out.
"She doesn't want to be out. I'm not-I'm not confirming anything." You managed to stutter out.
"Shane is having a party tomorrow. My parents are out of town. He invited a bunch of high school people cause you know, he def peaked in high school and can't let that shit go. Are you coming?"
The notorious Shane Oman is Ava's twin brother. Two complete different personalities (almost), but unsurprisingly they're both pretty close to each other since they're twins. Apparently he had been struggling with life lately since graduation so this party is apparently his desperate attempt at finding purpose and popularity again.
"Yeah, I'm down. Could be fun." You shrugged.
"I heard he invited Regina and she will also be going."
Okay, well, see that you didn't know.
"Good for her." You nodded, playing with your fries before pushing your plate away.
"She didn't tell you?"
"Why would she?" Isaac interrupted before you could respond. Neither you or Ava spoke, but the eye contact between the two of you was enough for Isaac to finally connect the dots. He gasped before collecting himself. "Seriously? Regina George?" He said her name barely above a whisper, being conscious of the fact that you said she wasn't out yet.
You didn't tell them, technically.
"She's actually really great and just misunderstood."
"You could make the same argument about polar bears or crocodiles." Ava argued, pushing her hair behind her ear. "You don't think that her coming to her exe's house party and not saying anything to you is, I don't know, suspicious?"
"You never fall for the straight girl." Isaac piped in and Ava snapped in agreement.
"She's just figuring herself out." You defended.
"At your expense, babe! Come on! You know better."
"It's so different when it's only us. She's just scared." Ava gave you a look that could only best be described as pity and it didn't make you feel great.
"I get you, you know I do." Isaac reached across the table and grabbed your hand to give it a reassuring squeeze. "Just be careful."
"No, yeah. I know. I am."
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You took the Metra to Evanston early Saturday afternoon, bringing a bag with an outfit or two with you and deciding to stop by and visit your dad, step mom, and little siblings.
They all greeted you excitedly and you spent the afternoon playing with your siblings, two year old Levi and 9-month old Zoe. It gave your dad and step mom some time to themselves and it gave you time with your siblings, something you both appreciated.
You started getting ready to go around 7pm. Levi hung out with you until his bed time and when your dad came him to pick him up off your bed, he gave you the speech about being careful, to call him at anytime if you needed a ride, not to drive drunk or get in the car with anyone that has been drinking or doing drugs. Pretty much just covering all his basic before releasing you into the wild.
Isaac picked you up around 9:30pm and when you got there the house was already packed a vibrating. Definitely not to the capacity it used to be since it's a random weekend in the middle of the semester, but still pretty full nonetheless. Regina's pink jeep was parked in the driveway. She must have had the same idea as you and came to Evanston early to see her family.
The fact that she was parked in the driveway and not on the side street or the front lawn made you want to throw the fuck up.
You did particularly enjoy the fact that, as far as you knew, Regina did not know you were coming. You felt like you had the upper hand. You put extra effort into your outfit and your hair. You didn't expect her to talk to you tonight or even acknowledge you if she saw you tonight. But that didn't mean you couldn't make it difficult for her not to.
You walked into the party and past a bunch of people who have never bat an eyelash at your existence in high school. You pushed past the drunk, high, sweaty party goers with Isaac clutching your jacket and guided him through the crowed to the kitchen.
Regina was in that area, drink in hand, talking to Shane, Gretchen, and Karen. When she saw you it was like she saw a ghost. You could tell she didn't expect to see you there and that it threw her off.
You were at the counter where all the drinks were laid out, debating between a bright blue drink and a bright green one. Both looked equally questionable. You felt a presence beside you and you knew it was Regina because you could smell her perfume.
"What are you doing here?" She asked, filling up her own drink and not making any eye contact with you.
"Ava invited me. Shane's twin sister." You added for clarification.
"Shane's twin?" You turned to her to say something, but she looked at you briefly and could tell her comment annoyed you. "I'm kidding. I know he has a twin. I didn't realize your Ava and his Ava were the same." You just nodded, deciding to take a chance on the bright blue drink and putting your cup under the spigot of the cooler it was in and filling your cup.
"You look really pretty tonight." You told her before taking a sip of your drink. She blushed and pushed some hair behind her ear, topping off her own cup.
"So do you." She smiled and took a sip of her drink as well, still not turning to look in your direction.
Karen and Gretchen waved her over and Karen shouted for her to bring them more shots.
"I'm surprised you're talking with them." You made yourself look busy while she prepared their tequila shots.
"Shit is different when alcohol is involved. I miss them a lot sometimes."
"Need help?" You watched her finagle the three plastic shot glasses and the red solo cup in her grip.
"Got it." She moved past you, knocking into your shoulder and making your drink splash over slightly onto your hand.
How she prevented anything from spilling onto her was a fucking mystery.
You found Ava and Isaac in the garage with a few other people, passing around joints and bongs. You took a seat on one of the chairs Ava saved for you and she handed you a joint before your ass hit the seat.
You vibed in the garage for about two joints until Ava pulled out a small bag of coke. That cleared the room quite fast honestly. Only you, Isaac, and two other people stayed with Ava.
She offered it to everyone and Isaac refused immediately. You hesitated to say no and she smirked, asking you if you were interested. That she would make sure it was a small bump and you would be totally okay.
Sure, you had only been drinking and smoking weed prior.
You were too scared to snort it, Isaac calling you 'so real' for that. Instead you were taught how to rub it on your gums and how to let it sit under your tongue instead.
The first fifteen minutes after were great, although seeing your best friend who was like this innocent band nerd just a few months ago snort a line? That was not anything you would want to see again.
You were fine until Gretchen and Karen came in to the garage Regina-less. Something about that had you start to feel a little bit anxious.
They came in asking Ava some question about where something was and she questioned where her brother was and you were out of that room once you heard he was in his bedroom.
You felt anxious, like your heart was going to fly out of your chest. Also, weirdly enough, you felt like you could totally fight someone and win right now.
You made your way to Shane's room and saw the door closed. You turned the knob and it was locked.
"Fuck." You sighed, pressing your head against the door briefly before pulling away.
You dragged your feet down the hall to Ava's room, opening the door and shutting it quickly when you saw the room was already occupied. You made a mental note that you would hopefully remember to tell her to wash her sheets.
You were kinda feeling sick and you didn't want to go back downstairs so you walked to the very end of the long hallway by the window. It was quiet and secluded and you sat with your back against the wall so you could watch all these assholes at the party.
You weren't sure how long you had been sitting there, maybe ten minutes max. You thought it was starting to wear off, but seeing Regina coming down the hallway arguing with Ava, and Isaac hot on both of their heels, had you thinking you were hallucinating.
You leaned forward and the three of them rushed to you, Regina shoving past Ava to get to you first. You heard an 'ooop' escape from Isaac's mouth and you met his gaze with a smirk. He winked and gave you a nod.
Regina was on the floor, kneeling in front of you with your face cupped between your hands.
"Hey, are you okay? You've been missing for a fucking hour." She titled your head up to look at your eyes in the light.
"I've been up here the whole time."
"Well we asked around trying to find you, but got conflicting information. Turns out, people are fucking stupid." Ava jumped in and Regina whipped her head around to give her what you assume was the most foul look both her and Isaac had ever seen judging by their faces.
Clearly Regina and Ava have not been getting along. You squeezed your thighs together at Regina's protectiveness over you then raised an eyebrow at Isaac. He shook his head and gave you a look that told you you'd talking about it at some point later.
"I'm so sorry, guys. I had no idea. I didn't mean to scare you." You still sound a little dazed and confused, trying to figure out how that hour passed in ten minutes.
"What happened?" She asked softly, her hand under your chin and her eyes searching your face.
You thought it over, trying to remember why you even came up here in the first place. You looked around the area and your eyes bounced to Shane's bedroom door. You furrowed your eyebrows, trying to get your brain working again. Regina didn't come from Shane's bedroom. You have confirmation that she's actually been trying to find you for the last hour.
"I don't remember. It's nothing." Your eyes bounced between her face and Shane's door once more and she knew exactly what your thought process was.
She shook her head no and let her thumb brush over your bottom lip quickly when she was pulling her hands off your face. She stood up and helped you up.
"Do you want me to take you back to your dad's?" Isaac asked as soon as you were on your feet.
"What? No. I'm good. Should we get another drink or something?" The last thing you wanted to do was be more of a vibe killer than you already had been. Especially for Regina.
"Yeah! That's what I'm talking about, baby!" Ava exclaimed and gave you a high five. "Want some more?" Ava teased, giving you a playful nudge and you both laughed. She was teasing you, you knew that. Joke or not, Regina didn't like it and you could tell by the way her grip tightened on the back of your shirt. "Seriously though, you should go home. Your eyes are fucking crazy right now."
"Where's my phone?" You asked when you noticed your pockets were feeling a little light.
"I have it. Let's go." Regina tugged your shirt and nudged you forward. "I'll bring you home."
"Nobody has to bring me home. I will take an Uber or call my dad. I'm not ruining anyone's fun. I feel fine guys, honestly." You lied. You felt nauseous and dizzy. Your heart was also racing crazy fast and you aren't sure if it's from the coke or Regina's fingertips against your back. "Also, Ave, people were fucking on your bed. Before I forget."
"Ugh, what the fuck!" She stomped and busted into her room. It was empty now, but very clearly, uh, used. She abandoned you to take care of that mess and you honestly don't even blame her.
"I'm gonna take you. Let's go." She repeated, clearly eager to just get you the fuck out of there.
"I'm gonna walk out with y'all. This party just ain't it for me, honestly." He held his arm out for you and Regina nudged you toward him. You hooked your arm around his and he walked you down the stairs, Regina trailing not too far behind you. "Let me tell you something." He said when Regina was out of earshot after letting you know she was going to get her purse and say goodbye to people.
"Hmm?"
"I thought Regina was gonna beat Ava's ass, girl. She was pissed." He shoved past the last few people on the front porch and led you to Regina's car.
"Really, why?"
"Well, I ran after you trying to find you. You were like a fart in the wind. Just poof, gone. Could not find you. I swear I went upstairs and you were not there, granted, I didn't necessarily look down. I came to Ava to get her to help me find you. Mind you, at this point, Regina came in to look for Gretchen and Karen cause they were still in the garage fighting over some stupid shit with her. Regina came in and overheard I couldn't find you. Ava was dismissive at first, said you would be fine. Regina kept her cool, kept it together. But then," he rested you against her jeep. "But then she said 'it was just a little coke. They're fine.' Honey, if you didn't tell us y'all were sneaking around, she would've gave it away then and there."
"Get the fuck out. What did she do? Wait, shush she's coming." You readjusted yourself when you saw Regina approaching with her bag, a bottle of water, and her clunky keys in hand.
"Talking shit?" Was the first thing out of her mouth as soon as she got close enough, sending a smirk your way while she unlocked the car. "Thank you, Isaac." She said as he helped you get situated in the passenger seat.
"I don't even feel it anymore, guys. I really think I'm fine."
"Mmm mmm." He shook his head, reaching across you to hand Regina your seatbelt to click in. "You need some sunglasses or something you look scary."
"Goodnight, Isaac." You rolled your eyes and he pressed a kiss against your cheek. "Text me when you're home?"
"Of course. You, too, please. I'm calling you tomorrow, too. Night, Regina." He waved at you both before closing the door and making his way to his car.
You both watched in silence waiting for him to get into his car safely.
"You're gonna come to my house tonight." She stated, putting her car in drive and not really giving you an option. She pulled your phone out and handed it to you. "Text your dad. I'll bring you home in the morning."
You unlocked your phone to see a bunch of texts and calls from Isaac, Ava, and mostly Regina. You can tell at some point, they all found your phone or realized you didn't have it because the messages stopped around the same time.
The final message Regina had sent you on their quest to locate you, after a slew of semi annoyed ones, or about how it wasn't funny, or that she was actually worried, was simply just 'baby please'. You stared at the words for a minute, letting the words burn into your brain before you were pulled from your thoughts and asked you if you texted him.
"Oh, yeah. Yes." You shot him a quick message and he responded almost immediately. He must've have been awake watching tv or playing a video game, but he's always been a night owl like that. Especially on weekends. He told you to be safe and to call if you needed anything. "Are you sure it'll be okay that I'm there? I can go home. I really think I'll be okay."
"Stop."
"Okay, sorry." You settled into the seat, turning your knees away from her. You felt bad about ruining the party for her, ruining her night, making her feel like he has to bring you home with her and take of you.
You were probably overthinking and maybe still slightly paranoid, but it just wasn't a great feeling.
She clicked her tongue in annoyance and reached across your seat, grabbing your knee furtherest away from her and giving it a tug so they were back facing her direction. She kept her hand planted firmly on your knee until she pulled into the drive way of her mansion. Which, yeah, understandable.
She parked in what was probably an eight car garage and led you inside of the house. There was a light left on in the main stairway for her, but otherwise it seemed the rest of the house was asleep. When you tried taking your shoes off at the door so you weren't too loud, she told you everyone took their sleeping pills for the night and would be too knocked out to hear a damn thing.
She led you up to her room and closed the door behind her. Your eyes widened, taking in the space. It felt bigger than your mom's apartment.
"Here." She was smirking when she handed you a pair of clothes to wear for the night. A grey long sleeve t-shirt and a pair of pink sweatpants that had 'slut' written on the back.
"You think you're so cleverrrr."
"I do, actually. And funny. Plus, I think I deserve it for what you put me through."
"I want to lay down so bad I'm not even going to fight you on it." You wouldn't admit it aloud, but they did look comfortable.
"And I want a picture."
"Okay, don't push it." You gave her a pointed look. She laughed and kissed your lips once, then a second time. She let the second kiss linger a little longer, her hand resting on your cheek and her body melting into you.
"I'm gonna shower. I don't care what time it is, I'm taking advantage of my big shower before going back to school. Will you be okay?" She swiped her thumbs across your cheeks and you nodded.
"In that big ass bed? Yeah I'll be so good."
Regina left to the attached bath to take her shower and you changed your clothes. You folded your clothes and put them on her chair. You changed into the clothes she gave you and hummed at how comfortable they were.
You climbed into her bed and picked the side you thought would be correct based off how everything was situated. You layed on top of the covers and sighed when your head hit the pillow. The beds at the dorms sucked, but this bed was also comfier than any other bed you've been on.
You closed your eyes, listening to the sound of the water coming from Regina's bathroom. You heard her come out of the bathroom at some point. She was walking around the room, doing a bunch of things but you were too lazy to open your eyes and see what.
The bed dipped and you felt her slide into the space next to you. The smell of her floral body wash and shampoo flooding your sense.
Her lips pressed against your cheek and her hand found it's way up your shirt to rest on your stomach to trace patterns around your belly button. You smiled and squirmed a little cause it tickled. You felt her smile against your cheek and she pressed a quick kiss to your lips before pulling away.
"Hey." You mumbled in protest, cracking an eye open to see she was adjusting the towel for her hair.
She laughed at your impatience and got herself comfortable again, supporting her head with her hand to keep it off her pillows for now. Her other hand found its way to the waistband of your pants, twirling the drawstring.
"These look good on you. Pink is totally your color." You grunted and she laughed through her nose. "I definitely need to see the back in action though. Give me a little turn." She nudged your hip and you let out a loud laugh, turning on your stomach for her. "So gorg, babe!" She was laughing with you, her hand coming down to smack your ass cheek a few times, which sent you both into a fit of giggles.
She wrapped an arm around you and buried her face between your shoulder blades. You tugged her arm to pull her closer to you and laced your fingers together. She shifted behind you and the towel on her head went zooming across the room. You settled deeper into her chest and her grip around you tightened.
"Will you need a ride back to school tomorrow?"
"I was just gonna take the train back."
"Ew, no. I'll take you to get your stuff from your dad's and we can go together
"Cool, thank you." You nodded, feeling yourself start to fall asleep. Regina kissed the back of your head and began to pull away.
"I need to do my skin and hair routine. Get under the covers and go to sleep."
"S'fine." You mumbled, already too far gone and making no effort to move whatsoever.
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daenerys-apolog1st · 4 months ago
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Just generally speaking, how the hell do people get “torture” from “sharply question” because I don’t see it.
1. Aemond is a prince, unless he did some crazy out-of-the-box Maegor type shit, no one is gonna be torturing him. However you feel about Viserys’ parenting, Aemond was his son and there’s no way he’d ever even entertain the idea of him being tortured---especially not for something that wasn't his fault.*
Rhaenyra knows this. She’s not stupid---she’s grown up watching Viserys get angry at Daemon, for shit he's ACTUALLY done, and never once bring up torture. So, frankly, if we're going with the theory that Rhaenyra meant torture and actually wanted it to happen, it'd be stupid as fuck for her to bring it up to VISERYS in PUBLIC when she knows damn well that he'd never consider it an option.
2. We literally SEE Viserys do as she asks in this scene! She gets what she wants after she says it!
And guess what? There’s no torture involved.
Viserys asks him who fed him the shit about Rhae's kids being bastards. Aemond then, trying to cover for Alicent, says that Aegon told him the rumors. Aegon, confused as fuck, says "what?" before Viserys asks him where HE heard it, to which Aegon simply says "look at them."
And then before anyone can apply some critical thinking and realize that it was obviously Alicent feeding this shit to them---which would result in her facing some kind of consequence because Viserys has told her multiple times to drop it---Alicent then makes a homophobic and demeaning comment towards Laenor, who is quite literally mourning the loss of his sister.
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Idk about y'all, but I wouldn't consider asking a question torture, but that could just be me ig 🤷‍♀️
Should Viserys have asked Aemond about this shit the day he lost an eye? No, there was a time and a place to have that conversation, but it CLEARLY wasn't right then. Personally, I think that the whole situation would've been resolved a lot better if everyone had just went to bed, thought on it, and then decided what to do in the morning---but that's not what was done.
However, TG acting like Aemond being asked a question is the worst thing in the world is just fucking ridiculous---especially considering how people use this as "evidence" of Viserys being a bad parent** and then ignore Alicent's actions in the scene: slapping and yelling at Aegon for something that wasn't his fault, ignoring Aemond asking her to stop escalating things, and then making Aemond losing an eye all about her and what she's suffered. Instead of, y'know, the son that lost an eye.
And acting like Rhaenyra "clearly" didn't actually mean "questioned" when she said "questioned" is a fucking REACH.
Not to mention that: 3. even if Rhaenyra DID mean "torture" when she said "questioned" ...so what?
She only said it in RESPONSE to Alicent advocating for Luce's eye to be taken out, so it was very obviously just a defensive response meant to try and take the attention off of her son. She was just trying to protect him.
She also only says it ONCE and there is absolutely NO ACTION behind her words, if she actually wanted Aemond tortured you'd think she'd press the subject, but she doesn't---so clearly it's not actually something she wants. Meanwhile Alicent brings up the idea of Luce being maimed as revenge MULTIPLE TIMES and then GOES AFTER HIM WITH A KNIFE---despite everyone, again including AEMOND, telling her to stop.
...but you never hear TG criticize her for that, now do you?
Which brings up another point:
Alicent attacks a 5 year old with a knife and it's fine and even commendable because she's "protecting her children," but Rhaenyra says that her brother should be questioned and suddenly she's an evil terrible bitch who clearly wanted him to be tortured and die.
Like, do y'all not see the hypocrisy?
Anyways, Rhaenyra obviously did NOT mean "torture" and if she did I don't think it's this awful thing TG makes it out to be because she clearly didn't mean it and probably knew Viserys would never actually do anything.
*Despite what some people apparently assume about me, I don't think Aemond was at fault for Driftmark, just like I don't think the other kids were necessarily at fault either. They were all kids, they were gonna react like kids and act like they were raised to act. The main fault is on the adults that should've been watching the damn kids so they couldn't claim dragons and get in brawls and put themselves in dangerous situations.
**Oh no, Viserys didn't want to intentionally maim another child after his child was accidentally maimed, instead he wants to resolve things sensibly instead of blindly seeking revenge. What a terrible person. /s Viserys was a shit father to all of his kids, but this particular situation isn't an example of that---it's him, for once, making a good decision.
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kissboybyler · 4 months ago
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just saw a byler post saying “if byler isn’t endgame, then why make the van scene the gayest shit i’ve ever seen” and one milkvan had commented “it’s literally been proven that it’s not gonna happen chill out” and another said “it’d be so fucked up if byler is endgame because mike is literally in love with el and el and will are basically siblings”.
BRO WHAT THE FUCK?!!? First of all, how has it been proven that it’s not gonna happen? Literally nothing is set in stone until s5 comes out. We don’t know shit, we can make theories and come to logical conclusions based on past material, but for better or for worse, it’s not up to us to determine the outcome of the show. And based on the given evidence, byler makes the most sense from a narrative standpoint.
Also what the fuck is the whole “mike is literally in love with el”? Why is this the only argument they have? Everytime i see a *toxic* milkvan defending their ship it’s almost always along the lines of “they are in love” BITCH, based on what exactly? Because they are a boy and a girl and they’ve kissed? They love each other, yeah, but this is not the kind of love used as a foundation for a romantic relationship meant to last. They are not the loves of each others’ lives, because first off, el has barely even had time to get to know herself and understand the mechanics of the world around her, let alone be able to determine what true love looks and feels like. It breaks my heart that people want mike and el together, especially when they claim to love el, because my girl was literally like “but you don’t love me anymore?” “who said that i didn’t” “you never say it” “i say it” “you can’t even write it mike”. She’s not fucking stupid, she can tell something’s off. And mike is literally gaslighting her.
What part of their relationship points to them being truly, irrevocably, selflessly in love? Im genuinely wondering. How can this be true love, when they can’t be themselves around each other, they can’t grow as individuals, they can’t exist outside of their relationship and surround themselves with other people, when el feels unloved, when mike has to change who he is for el’s shake, when they don’t have anything in common, when mike feels inadequate next to el, when el wants to be seen as a person and not just a superhero and mike continues to idolise her? When they can’t communicate with each other without everything leading to miscommunication? What exactly about this is romantic? Mike waiting for el in s2? The season where mike was by will’s side 24/7? What, the snow-ball scene? The weird making out scenes in s3? The “blank makes you crazy”? Because If we’re talking about the ball scene, there’s also something to be said about byler. If we’re talking about the making out, that’s literally the only thing they did and they were 13 and didn’t have anything else in common. And seriously? “Blank makes you crazy”? I don’t think i have to further my point here.
Anyway- um. I really don’t want to come off as rude but this ship is bad for all parties involved. Milkvan endgame doesn’t make any sense, the trope has been overdone before, it wouldn’t add something original to the story, and it would further prove that mike just woke up one day and decided to be an asshole. Oh and also the writers hate Will. Oh and also El had to compromise and stay in a relationship she called quits on twice and made her feel unloved and unseen.
Oh and also-
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inky-rosepanda · 21 days ago
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So Im just doing a causal re-watch and got to episode 50. Now I'm wondering, what favor did O'Khasis owe Urla (Donna's mother)?
Like I understand that Zanes real motive was to get to Garroth, and that's all fine and good, but he uses the ruse of owing a favor to get there. I mean, he could've just said he was doing good will or was exploring when he heard about the wedding or literally anything else.
But he didn't.
He especially says that O'Khasis owed her a favor, not him, his father or mother, but the whole town???
That's crazy. She wasn't lying when she said she got her grove on when she was younger.
My theory is it had something to do with the Werewolves that attacked Donna when she was younger? Or Vylad because why not?
P.S I understand when you save a monarch/leader life it's often understood that you're apparcatied in the town but I feel like he still would have just said he/his family owes her. (Or maybe not because why would he admit such a thing as to needing help? He's better than everyone.)
P.p.s There also the possibility of it not true at all. We know Lillan can create illusion and manipulate minds to a certain extent who to say Zane didn't have her do that? But idk cause that quite frankly involves a middle man that does not need to be there. And honestly it's not as fun- me thinks
Anyways what do you guys think?
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blacknedsoul-blog · 2 years ago
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My bet on what Annabel wanted to do and why
So I'm reading the mansion arc again because the hiatus is over and that scene is coming back to me.
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Now I have a whole theory as to why Annabel did what she did and for what. One of those "all or nothing" ones, but I thought it was interesting to share anyway.
The Background
The first thing to keep in mind is Annabel's role within her group: she's there to get information and to see herself as someone competent and worth following, but also as an agent of chaos in the shadows, actively trying to get them to fight each other (put a pin in that, because it's going to be important).
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The whole scene where Montresor makes Ada bark introduces us to this guy, not as just any bully, but as someone extremely sadistic. While Annabel manages to get him to back down in the end, this makes it clear to her that he's a problem she needs to solve by yesterday, because, as if his sadism weren't enough, he's uncomfortably interested in Lenore.
The Amontillado
So she decides to take the first step to satisfy Montresor's thirst for blood by throwing someone under the bus, and unfortunately Duke is the most logical choice: Berenice and Eulalie share a room, Morella can manifest, and although Prospero is not Pluto's friend, he won't get involved in this kind of shady business. Duke, on the other hand, is an easy prey: he cannot manifest and shares a room with Montresor. It's all advantages.
But Annabel can't allow Montresor to commit murder outright. Not that she gives a shit about Duke's life, but if this guy finds out he can murder people in school, it's pretty certain that it will be impossible to push him back. Next it will be her, or worse, Lenore.
It's hard to tell if she suggested putting him behind a wall or just told Montresor, "Why get your hands dirty? I know you can be more creative." Either way, she's doing it to buy time: again, there's no upside to Duke dying, but maybe she can twist this in her favor somehow. And she needs to do it fast.
The Pendulum
The answer comes to her as if it fell from the sky with the pendulum, which is on the table as an object to be chosen during the test, and the stroke of luck is that it is Lenore who chooses it. So she keeps it: this was the piece she needed to turn the situation around.
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Annabel knows where Duke is. And maybe our friend isn't far away either (there were five people moving through guarded corridors, one of them unconscious), so it's enough to get to where he is, break through the wall, and leave the pendulum aside so Duke can find his way back to school or join his friends more easily. After all, he'll have Pluto looking for him like crazy, and it would be absurd for him not to use his spectre for that. And if these people don't manage to hit the right spot, she has already discovered the pendulum's range during the test, she could do it herself without arousing suspicion.
The test is over. The Misfits get more and more desperate, Lenore is taken to Dreamland and Ada manifests only to fall into Montresor's arms. All of this actually suits her quite well, for one specific reason: Annabel wants to put a target on Montresor's back and make him doubt his "trusted" people.
Will's spectre can copy people's appearance, while Ada shared a team with Lenore during the test. Both could have stolen it. At the very moment Montresor discovers that the pendulum was used to save this guy, there will be doubt as to which of these two (whom he thinks he has in the palm of his hand) betrayed him. After all, they both seemed pretty uncomfortable with the situation.
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Suspicious of Annabel? That was the look on her face as Duke desperately begged her to stop them.
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Speaking of Duke, after he tells the rest of his friends what happened, Montresor would be an immediate target to confront…just like Annabel. But hey, "protect me from your allies and I'll protect you from mine," Lenore will avoid getting her guts ripped out (right?).
Maybe she found out she couldn't manifest after the test, so she left it until the next day. In this image, we are told that Annabel gets up ridiculously early, which is quite possible without anyone seeing her.
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And while Pluto mentions that he still can't manifest again, let's remember that Annabel has a little more control over her spectre than he does.
Parenthesis: on the Widow Watch
The question here is: if this idiot had it all figured out and swears her wife is okay with all this crap, why not tell Lenore?
My answer is summarized in this picture:
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Annabel is a long-term player, this girl doesn't care about Duke's safety, and his life only seems relevant to her because his death doesn't benefit her. She doesn't care about saving him, she cares about how saving him will distract Montresor from Lenore and allow her to take the first steps to get rid of him.
If Lenore runs off to save Duke (something Annabel thinks she will do out of guilt), the only thing she will accomplish is to make Montresor even more fixated on her and possibly blow Annabel's cover: it would be strange if they could suddenly find him easily without anyone telling them.
Another thing to consider is that Lenore arrives at the Widow's Watch in this state:
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She may not have been able to see what happened to Montresor from up there because of how surprised she is, but Lenore's clothes are burned, and it doesn't take a genius to know who inflicted at least some of those wounds on her. All the more reason to try to keep Lenore out of this situation until the time is right.
House of Cards
One thing I really love about Annabel is that while many of the things she plans make sense, and indeed several of her predictions come true (such as the students not being able to manifest themselves by approaching Lenore), to quote her, she is not a mind reader. And watching her machinations unravel because of things she can't control is not only plausible, it's really interesting.
Especially when Lenore is the cause. Immovable object meets unstoppable force, and until they get their act together, this is doomed.
And disaster has arrived at that very moment.
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The first thing that disarmed Annabel at this point, in my opinion, is that Lenore knew what she had done to Duke before she should have: without knowing her intentions, this looks like a completely deliberate and cold-bloodedly planned simple murder attempt. Annabel was confident that Lenore would understand as soon as she saw the pendulum, either as "I got our enemy off your back for now, but he won't stop" or, if I'm wrong and this woman has some self-awareness, as "I found no other way to get our enemy off your back, but I did everything I could to keep this man safe".
While the jokes about Annabel being a masochist are hilarious, on a serious note, I think it's appropriate to note that his complete failure to see how angry Lenore is is because she's never seen her this angry. Or worse, she's never seen her so angry at her. And she knows what Lenore is capable of in that state.
As if that weren't bad enough, her predictions were that Lenore would run to find Duke, but instead this woman picked up a revolver and walked right into the lion's den.
In other words, Annabel has not only failed catastrophically to keep Lenore away from Montresor, she has prompted her into a direct confrontation.
Everything she thinks she knows about her has just gone to hell.
The fallen queen
One last thing I think is interesting about the situation Annabel is in right now is that there is a threat she has no idea about. Annabel was counting on Lenore to protect her from her allies, but…
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If Montresor has eyes, he knows. That means he only has to add 2+2 to see through Annabel's little games.
And the one person who could have protected her right now has no interest in what happens to her.
Hiatus over, people. I hope you're as anxious as I am.
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marisandini-chu-blog · 2 months ago
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EPISODE 5 TBHX REACTION GUYS!!!
Now, a bit of preface because I found that I like sorting out my initial thoughts before the episode.
So... something about me you should know is that I'm the type of gal who avoids trailer like the plague. It's a hit or miss when a trailer can cross spoiler territory or not and I love going into an anime blind without reading the sypnosis. Only the genre, just so I can set my expectation.
But after the first 2 episode of TBHX, I found out that there were multiple trailers (or PV in this case) for multiple heroes so I tried watching Nice's PV.
And I left afterward, feeling regret that I didn't watch the PV first because BOY! THAT PV WOULD HAVE STRUCK DIFFERENTLY BEFORE AND AFTER I WATCH THE SERIES!!! I WANTED TO FEEL THAT ROLLER COASTER OF EMOTION!
I immidiately watch the rest of the other heroes' PV. E-Soul seem to have some sort of... Time Shenanigans involve? His PV gives of a Flash and Reverse Flash vibe, but Reverse Flash is himself.
I am definitely looking forward to the mysterious Ex-Hero turn Villain, and the implication of perhaps our current Hero X is not the only person who could bend reality.
If Hero X turn reality into colorful, chaotic space.
Our may be Big Bad turns things to negative space, creating a reverse reality.
Anyway, there's also the mysterious appearance of E-Soul at the end of the last episode. But I feel like the whole scene can easily be misleading with how focus we are in Lin Ling's PoV. So making assumptions and theories seemed too premature. Thus, I've been working hard to avoide any E-Soul theories.
So without further ado. Let's begin...
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Mr. LH0, sir, dude. There's only so much 'what the fuxk' I can give before I'm tired at being blinsided
It's a strong start, I'll give you that! Not everyday I start my Sunday Morning with a gunshots and newly orphan about to be traficked
Oh, wow... the scene is very Bruce Wayne coded on this one
YANG CHEN!!! WE'VE GOT A NAME!!!!
Wow, E-Soul is old... so is this a case of legacy hero? Like Miles Morales where he inheret the hero name?
Oooooh!!! I thought he lied about having a job. But instead he's just shy about performing in children's show. Understandable. Especially when it's a source of insecurity compare to a more succesful classmate. Urgh, I feel you, buddy.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA THE SHOW GOT A DRESSING DOWN BY A KID.
Even worse though, it's one if it's by an arrogant child. But he ain't just any child, it's hero nerd! AND ACTUALLY HAS GOOD POINTS!!! HIRE THE DAMN CHILD!
I love the Pomelo so damn much. His critique is fair, gives feedback, and actually appriciate the perfomance. He simply has a child-level emotional maturity when conveying it.
Ooooh, and he's Xia Qing's brother...
OOOOOOH, and she's asking you out...
I'll say this now. Pomelo is the best character here. You damn right he's good at reading vibe!
LH0 i swear if anything happens to him....
Fifth generation suit... so it's known that he's a legacy hero that never shows his face... or people assume he just changes suit every now amd then to improve himself... and no one knows it's the same person or not
Oh God, Yang Chen, you insecure boy... it hurst so much seeing it because I've been in those shoes before...
Of course the 0 Trust Value isn't chosen, even if they're not heroes, the Trust Value could help with cloud alone
YANG CHEN!!! DON'T LET INSECURITY KEEP YOU FROM ENJOYING YOUR TIME WITH PEOPLE! YOU'RE SABOTAGING YOURSELF!!!
LH0 DID I NOT WARN YOU ABOUT TOUCHING THE KID!!!!
Oh no... I can't unsee Bicycle Man from OPM with that getup 😅
MOTHERFUCKING YANG CHEN JUMP OFF AN OVERPASS! LET'S GO!!! YOU CRAZY BOI! CATCH UP WITH THAT CAR!!!
Is he safe?! Is MY CHILD SAFE?!?!
YANG CHEN I BELIEVE IN YOU!!! GET UP AND KICK THEIR ASSES!!!
YOU GOT YOUR FIRST BELIEVER! I'M SO PROUD OF HIM!!!!
And can I just say the dramatic anination of the 0 turning into 1? So satisfying to watch. Truly climatic.
Oooooh, he always, at one point, face his back to the audience to protect them... Yang Chen is so precious!
YA DAMN RIGHT THAT'S HIS BEST PERFORMANCE!!
Okay, Shang Chao. I know you're supposed to be the source of Yang Chen's insecurity, but you keep appearing everytime, it's getting annoying dude. Let the kid have his moment
Wait... is Shang Chao actually gonna be important?! Did he see a video of Yang Chen being a hero and immediately want to promote him to get credit of finding him?! He's not just gonna be a plot device?!
And that is episode 5 of TBHX. Wow, that was good. Really fast pace, but I knew that going in, since we only have 3 episodes of him.
Alright, list of things that need to be addressed.
One, why the hell is Pomelo is targetted for kidnapping? What does his family even do?
Two, there's a lot of overlap between Lin Ling and Yang Chen as insecure man who try to find confidence in themselves. Though I appriciate there's still distinction. Yang Chen, you could feel is still an insecure young adult that he self-sabotage himself, while also in the middle of establishing his future carrer. In contrast to Lin Ling, who is a jaded overworked employee who thinks he has exhausted every option in his life that he can only vent his frustration or consider jumping off a building. I'm looking forward to how Yang Chen achieve heroism to stay contrasted from Lin Ling.
Three, I'm speculating here. But is this MG competition to find E-Soul actors is to routinely find replacement for E-Soul throughout generation?
What an irony and so in line with TBHX if the mask that was supposed to represent the trust between hero and the people was suppose to hide another lie. Very typical.
So typical in fact, I'm worried there's more to it than what I could fathom.
Four, Lucky Cyan is prominently mentioned. Which leads to first explicit display of Trust Value influence culture outside of heroism. Which makes me question if Lucky Cyan is acting as both a hero and musician. Or did people only trust her as far as being a good musician before she found ways to be a hero with the ability that she has.
It certainly could impact someone's self-worth if there's an explicit display that nobody can rely on you on anything. Oof, would that be a gut punch. My mental health would not be able to take it.
Anyway, that's all. Thanks for reading my self-indulgence reaction!
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chaoortu · 2 months ago
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siri play "it ain't me babe", the joan baez cover bc it's time for an 8-23 analysis.
Okay, first of all, had to compare these two panels
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second panel is from 8-18 btw so in like... five chapters, nick goes from seeking comfort from charlie to sort of keeping his back to him in 8-23. Side note: the way Charlie tries to seek comfort in Nick and i wonder how it feels from his pov that Nick WILL not tell him what is wrong or even face him in this moment of incredible vulnerability. Granted-- Nick probably had puke breath so I get it on that level but goddd. now, had to get that out of the way for THIS PANEL
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I LOVE KNOWING WE HAVE TOMORROW IS SO FUCKING... SWEET, but Charlie's wide eyed face-- having the knowledge that Nick's had a nightmare about Charlie dying makes that line so much more powerful imo bc... how long have they had tomorrow? Again, I am still of the firm belief that Charlie's hospitalization has had this domino effect on Nick where he has to be the strong one, the good one, the stable one-- like, Daddy issues and fear of abandonment as well of course, but I don't think they've ever really talked about the impact of Charlie's stay at the clinic beyond "I'm so glad you've gotten better." Why are you bringing this up, Chao? Bc I think its an important conversation to have on how the supportive people around someone going through a mental health event often get sidelined or do not receive mental health services themselves even though that experience is traumatic for everyone involved. Nick was sixteen trying to tell his bf he thinks he has an ED-- that's hard!!! He was a whole baby! and that specific situation happens often irl. Anyway the reason why I bring it up-- Nick's apology pancakes. 1) I think are a symbol of Nick's need to be a fixer. He was a mess, but he can do this nice thing in an attempt to make up for it. It's so obvious Nick is a bit angry at himself for being that vulnerable in front of Charlie. 2) my theory is that bc Charlie's going through a blip with his anorexia, he may reject the pancakes and Nick is going to take that as a rejection of his apology and this may finally kickstart them talking? Maybe. I'm also pro catharsis vomit. I think Nick should bust up in that bathroom and hurl while Charlie is showering as it would parallel their first I Love You. I want Charlie to talk Nick out of going to the match Desperately or... Rule of improv, escalate: I think Nick should either get sooo sick at rugby or pass out as it would parallels the fainting scene at the louvre, or we should full send it and have him get injured so that he literally HAS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AND VULNERABLE. will alice take it there? eh idk probably not, but the fact that nick's never seemed to get a rugby injury has always had me on the edge of my seat. nothing crazy like an acl tear but like... a quick bonk on the noggin. although i wonder with him feeling poorly if it's a possible recipe for a panic attack if things with Charlie seem to go bad. And my last note, this panel:
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yes nick is sickly and probably just not feeling great from drinking, but the dichotomy of nick being clothed from wrist to ankle while charlie is in a t-shirt and his BOXERS (and comfortable wearing that in front of sarah oh i love them <3) just, the way he is trying to hide himself and his hurts. i do wish more than anything that charlie would've pushed him harder here, just a bit bc i feel like it's been a while of nick saying "i'm fine" and charlie retreating i do fear nick is going to combust or something. and lowkey, i am kind of wondering if alice might flip the whole nick breaking up with charlie briefly thing that happens in the novela and have it go the opposite way around bc with nick struggling the way he is and faking it till he makes it, i can't even think of him considering that.
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slaaverin · 10 months ago
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Hey Slavv
you’re video edit was wonderful, thank you for sharing it with us
I just wondered what you thought about the episode as a whole? Did the baby conversation make you take pause? I hope they are able to stay together despite not being able to be parents in the future.
Ohh thank you so much 💜
This question is quite hard for me to answer properly.
First of all, I really loved it. I had a very peculiar and quite strong reaction to it. I'll try to put it in words the best I can.
I'll start with a simple thing: in my 7 years of being a jikooker, that is all I ever wanted to see from them.
Being relaxed, happy, joyous, authentic, confortable.
So this felt like some kind of apoteose. Everything came full circle. For them & for me.
When you think about it, nothing really happened in this episode, they were doing the most mundane things, but there was this vibe of the most comfort, the most warmth, the most quiet and simple love, that my heart was deeply touched by it and after it hit me I really had no words to describe the feeling I had. It's deep stuff lol
Somehow they always exceed my expectations. I'm not those people who say "I expect nothing so I won't get disappointed". No, I expect things. But not because I want them to do certain stuff, more because I feel I know them sufficiently, and some of their patterns, and I see them within the love umbrella, so it gets easier and easier to predict what they might do or not. How crazy this is that they check absolutely all the boxes everytime and confirm every theory? I'm trying to stay sane of mind over here but no they want me to be the most delulu lol
Of course the ambiance really helped the episode to feel dream-like. And we know how much Japan means to them. JK must have said 384737 times how much he loved it and how happy he was.
Nothing was hanging on their shoulders anymore, no burdens, and I think that's why they were able to enjoy it this much.
It's quite insane when you think about it how fluid this all was. Like nothing felt out of place, conversation flowed easily, they are on the same wavelength about everything, they spoke openly, they had fun and let their inner child play, everything felt SO EASY. Their dynamic is just perfect, no hiccups, it just fits, jives, it clicks.
Now I am wondering how the hell they are not already a human representation of the Cosmic couple because if there is supposed to be a next level to this relationship I can't even imagine what that would look like. How much better can it get? It's so full of love already. Anyway I digress
About the child talk, firstly I was expecting this talk in Sapporo indeed. It was obvious they would at least mention it. So when I saw the scene I was already prepared mentally.
It doesn't make me worry about jikook because I think that if at some point they will want a child, they'll get to have one. Jimin or Jungkook can firstly adopt as a single parent (a bill has been passed about this in Korea recently) and then raise the child together unofficially. Or they can use a surrogate mother from overseas or something. You know they are filthy rich so I think if they REALLY want to, they would find a way.
But JK isn't ready about it yet lmao leave this man alone for now 😂
When and if it is the right time for the both of them there will be solutions so I'm not worried. This moment was really cute 🥰
Who knows what the future holds for them. Many years before we would have never expected to see them even shirtless, we would have not believed we would see their dynamic up this close in a show like this.
Things can evolve quickly. Who knows how things will develop with BTS as well, for how long will they remain a group?
It's true they are getting old, in "idol age".
Who knows how the country will evolve too?
I trust Jimin&Jungkook to make decisions about their future that will benefit them and their relationship. Maybe it will involve a child, maybe not. But I personally don't think they would break up because of this. You can see how precious their relationship is for them.
But only time will tell if I'm right.
Anyway, I could go over all the scenes of this episode and talk about it for hours.
I know this was an ephemeral dream for them this trip, like a time capsule, a bubble of normalcy, where everything is and means suddenly more. There was nothing and everything they needed at the same time. Ahh, so beautiful 🥺
I wish their lives were all the time like this, but it is what it is, they had to come down from the cloud, and face their duty, then it will be their schedule, and things will go back to regular program.
But for now I don't mind losing myself in the dream with them, and float, and pretend everything is the way they want it to be.
"All for your happiness" Jimin said
If they are happy, I am happy.
Let's enjoy those next 2 eps, I think we're in for other surprises.
Thank you for your ask 💜
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nexischillin · 5 months ago
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Bvz 2:
(w intro song)
Albus w/Hipswitch || 2:00-2:25
“What are you doing here? You said you were going to walk” -A
“I never said that” -H
Hipswitch clearly said in the last episode that he was going by transport and didn’t mention walking at all. So this is our first real glimpse at Karmor’s powers erasing the memories of the people who aren’t involved.
Jess Prodman || 40:35-55:40
“They were here I know they were” - Jess
He’s referring to the transport but if I remember correctly, he’s not supposed to. Why does he remember, in fact, why is he the only one who is able to figure Kamor out later on?
“Got nothing to say now, did I kick the voice out of you” -J
I CAN’T SPEAK BRO-
“It was you. You did this. You rewrote it or something. That’s how you got off the transport and the mines, I didn’t even remember making those EMPS. It just came to me that I had them out of nowhere”
“You erased your bounty, right? Was that the reason I blew up the transport to start with?”
Why does he remember these things? Sure the mines make sense but the transport and the bounty don’t. Is it because Mad Crow allowed it or is it because he’s just really intelligent? Maybe I’m missing something but I've watched this ep like 3 times at this point so it’s just gonna be missed.
Also quick question what was the consequence of saving Hipswitch?
Hipswitch/Jess || 1:03:09-end
I’m not going to type this whole part out but there’s a lot going on here.
One, Jess and Hipswtich have major history
Two, when Jess tells Hipswitch what he knows or at least tries the static of mad crow shows up and he seems to go somewhat crazy, unable to fully get it out
Three, the static doesn’t go away until jess is dead, maybe that signals a type of control
And Four, Jess mentions the birds watching and testing them like he can feel the mad crow's presence
I have no theories for this episode but it does set up a lot of questions. Like who else can feel the presence of Mad Crow?
This episode as a whole gives out a lot of things you should question with very little answers, and I like that. It makes it a perfect second episode to get you hooked. Anyways, tell me anything I missed
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am-i-the-asshole-official · 2 years ago
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aita for calling my roommate crazy?
I (28f) live with 2 other people, a former college roommate who I’m pretty close with (29f) and 2nd roommate (28nb) who we both met when we moved in together 2 years ago.
Let me start this out by saying, this isn’t a fandom aita, it’s going to sound a bit weird at first, but bear with me.
I have a medical condition (relevant later) which stopped most of my bones from maturing past puberty (growth plates closing, cartilage not hardening into bones, ect.), so my skeleton is basically stuck somewhere between 13-19, (I look about 17-19, but the last time I tried to buy hard cider, the cashier thought I was 14, so that’s how young I can look). I also have very pale skin (unrelated to my disorder, just a ginger), and (related to my disorder) lack some liver enzymes so I need eat meat or I get sick (the same reason why cats need to eat meat), I ended up in the ER when I lived with my vegan sister for a week and ate the same veggie diet as her.
Trouble is, Roommate 2 is really into conspiracy theories and other fringe stuff. Nothing alt-right or anything, just like, (for example) they fully bought into that Mermaids: the body found show, and wouldn’t be dissuaded, even when Roommate 1 googled it and showed them solid proof that it was fictional. Wholeheartedly believes the US government preformed 9/11, does alternative medicine (homeopathy, ect), wishes there were ‘all natural’ vaccines (still isn’t an anti-vaccer though, just needs to be persuaded that Bill Gates didn’t put microchips in them).
Anyway, Roommate 1 and I have a recurring joke that I’m a vampire because of the meat thing and the pale thing and the not aging thing. Roommate 2 overheard us and laughed, but weirdly. She kinda joked along with us, but she seemed...odd. About a week later, they start asking me stuff about being a vampire. But they seemed friendly and not nervous then and I was hoping they were just joking and I also sincerely thought they were just asking me about how vampires work on one of my shows (I’m a big fan of Carmilla and the Originals), so I tried to explain, but I cited each show when I’m explaining a thing. This continued for several weeks, but getting worse and more weird every time, eventually culminating about 2 and a half months later into them asking me more stuff about life as a vampire and I really realised that they were serious. Bear in mind, Roommate 1 and I were trying to be very clear that we don’t believe in vampires this whole time because we both know how Roommate 2 is about this. As a result, this was the first time I really registered that they seriously seemed to genuinely believe I was a vampire. I firmly told them that I am not a vampire and that vampires aren’t real, they’re fun to joke about, but they aren’t real. They implored me ‘to be straight with them about being a vampire,’ and that ‘I could trust them,’ and I’m ashamed to say, I kinda freaked out at this point, cuz I was afraid that they would be scared of me and maybe try to hurt me, since they seemed kinda unstable because of this.
This is where I think I was an asshole, I am usually very sensitive to mental health issues. I have some c-PTSD myself and there are a lot of mental health issues in my family (unfortunately, I think some history with my own mentally ill father may have made me react this way, since he has very similar issues to Roommate 2 (vaccines, alternate medicines, specifically involving me in his delusions) and I had a very bad experience in my early teens where he thought I was a demon and ‘sent to destroy him’). Anyway, I got very upset and I yelled at them, I told them they were completely crazy and needed to get mental help and said I thought Roommate 1 and I needed to move out because they might try to stake my heart or something. I feel really bad for calling them crazy, especially because Roommate 2 has some very mental health issues and words like crazy make light of and stigmatise that and I’m very big into not blaming people for their mental health problems, but this was very triggering and in this moment I was very distresssed.
So, aita, all things considered here? I’m still gonna feel like the asshole no matter what, since mental health problems aren’t to be taken lightly or blamed on the person, but I’m curious what the internet thinks.
What are these acronyms?
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pondering-gales-left-orb · 3 months ago
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I have a crazy ass theory based on The Iron Bull saying he can sense magic and how scared he is of demons....
I think The Iron Bull has magic in him..
but it was never discovered because it never awakened the same way it does for everyone (aka accidentally making fire or freezing people etc) and that is because of his fighting style that's very Reaver adjacent aka involving blood and the dragon blood the Qunari have in their making (its already confirmed that the iron bulls horns are dragon horns so its safe assume he has more dragon in him than most Qunari hence his feelings about dragons and his massive size and his fighting style etc)
Almost all the saarebas we know have their magic awaken when they were alittle older older than what we know of the southern mages (mostly either too young to remember or to small to start participating in society) after they had already been assigned a job and started to train for it in Qunari society which is backed up by bull telling that to Vivienne
Vivienne: I have heard of the life of the saarebas, Iron Bull, but I'm curious about your viewpoint. Iron Bull: It's sad, mostly. The magic appears late in childhood just like it does for you folks. Some kid's gone years learning to be a baker or soldier or builder, and then one day, that's all gone.
so i think his magic awakened after he started to be trained as a Ben Hassrath Hissrad so his magic was naturally channelled to his fighting style and strength thus his massive desire to spill blood (mostly dragon blood lol) was born
and the reason why he is deathly scared of demons is that he unknowingly went through his harrowing as a kid but he thought it was just a dream where he outsmarted an imaginary demon like the ones he was taught about because he is originally Ashkaari (the one who thinks) as a kid rather than a Fighter or a spy so he's smart as fuck and can out smart a demon easily
Cole: Yes. And you're The Iron Bull, afraid of demons.
Iron Bull: Not fond of 'em, no. But you and I are fine as long as you don't do any weird crap.
Cole: Lying awake, sheets soaked in sweat, afraid to call the Tamassrans. Shadows make shapes in the dark.
Cole: If it gets in my head, how do I cut it out? Itching, shaking, tears slide cold down my cheeks. "Tama, I'm scared."
I think this was the aftermath of his harrowing which he didn't realize was a harrowing but a bad dream that caused him a great fear of demons getting in his head again from that moment on
And last of all when bull remarks on solas's magic style solas doesn't outright say "you can't tell my magic is clunky because you are not a mage" instead he says " without magical training, you cannot notice the parts of my magic that "clunk" now why would bull have magical training or not have a magical training at all as a non mage 🧐
Also he has an an unusual high sensitivity for magic which could be said is because he fights vints and his Ben-Hassrath training but i don't see any non mage companions talking about they type of magic they can feel but him
He often says something like "This place has more magic than usual. Whole place is full of it." Or something about the magic potency compared to other places and like no other fighter comments about it like he does...
Anyway just a theory but i keep side eyeing him every time he comments on magic like "this feels different" ....why do you feel magic? why do you even know how it feels? why do you know what the devil was preaching in last nights Sacrament hmmmm🧐🤨
anyway love The iron bull forever and always <3333
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crackhead4 · 8 months ago
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I had this idea in my head about an AU from the new transformers one movie.
So you know how the planet is made by this basically higher entity? God? Idk, and they probably knew what exactly was happening on this planet cause , well, they ARE the planet.
What happens if they weren't happy with the outcome of the end of the movie? What happens if they send some back in time with their memory intact completely? They knew exactly what happens, where everyone is like they can feel a bug on their own body. They remember the exact events that made their time line their own, even if they weren't involved in these events.
Now imagine, the obvious choice would be Optimus Prime because of the matrix and stuff, BUT now hold on, IF IT WASN'T HIM. not to like be nice to do the poor guy like noooo. I feel like this AU he should also keep his memories. However, he doesn't know that their HIS memories. That he has these very life like (or robot like?) dreams while he sleeps. He doesn't know why he has them, he doesn't know how they started, why this is only happening to him, he doesn't want to know why this look alike D-16 doesn't act like HIS D-16 and he doesn't even know why his brain ( or is it like brain panel or smth) us making up thus crazy conspiracy theory about Sentinel Prime. All he does know, however, is something in his veins ( I'm not even attempting to try and guess the robot version of veins) is telling him to stay close to HIS D-16. He probably thinks he's going crazy but is lole really good at hiding it, so he goes down to like the archeives to see what the answer is to allllll his questions and dream problem.
ANYWAY (I swerved very off topic) the mech I want to see spiral themselves in the future is D-16, not because there are probably better options like Elita or Bee or hell even Sentinel Prime would be a crazy thing to happen. I WANT TO SEE THIS MAN SUFFER, THAYS WHY.
Because just imagine how Megatron must feel after the movies, it would be perfect and so goddamn MESSY. He probably in grief with losing his best friend/lover (cause we all saw what was going on), then seeing and believing the fact that the matrix is using his dead best friend/lover's body as a way to beat him, having to battle the guilt he must feel for letting go of Orion while he battles this Optimus Prime wear that wears Orion's skin and THEN getting banished by his only home, taking over and leading a whole revolution army on the same night AND THUS (and yes that wasn't a type-o that says THUS) creating THE most depressing, heartbreaking, dramatic, bloody divorce in the history of Cybroton have ever seen.
So now you can see why I want to just pull this mindset and just plop it right back into D-16, the cogless miner. He restarts again from the very beginning, with Orion waking him up, saying he has an idea. The utter carnage and chaos that would ensue would be beyond my imagination right now at like 9:07 at night.
BUT YEAH CIRCLE BACK to the fact that I said they would remember every major event that caused their timeliness to be THEIR timeline, which would mean Megatron would remember everything that happened. He would remember Sentinel Prime's betrayal not just like D-16 but as the Primes the crime wqs committed to. He would feel it like Alphatrion, Megatronus and etc. He would feel the utter rage that Sentinel had when the matrix didn't choose him as the leader and faded right in his hands. He would feel the detach when Airachnid would feel when watching over Sentinel's shoulder and seeing exactly what he does and seeing nothing wrong with it.
HE WOULD FEEL SO MUCH AND I COUPD GO ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT, THIS BUT ANWAY-
I just really want to see what fanfic writers would make if given this prompt cause it's been on Mt mind and he'll I've thought about writing it about like inec as was like Hell no cause I know it would be atrocious to read.
Plus, I really wanted to get this idea just onto something, at least to get it out of my brain but now i don't think that's gonna happen cause now I'm gonna be daydreaming about how other people would work this story idea 😭😭.
BUT YH IF ANYONE IS GONNA MAKE THIS PLEASE TAG BE IN IT SO I COULD READ IT 🙏🙏🙏🙏
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knaveumineko · 4 months ago
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Umineko Episode 4 Blog: Message in a Bottle
Ramblings about the big picture mystery stuff.
The aspect of the killings that remains ever-illusive is the motive. Episode 1 was such a barrage of confusing happenings that anyone who reads it will naturally be thinking, "What on Earth just happened?" You can tell that Umineko wants you to engage with it this way because of how it writes Battler. His emotions and growth generally reflect that of the reader themselves, although, naturally, he's pretty slow on the uptake so that we have a chance to think about it ourselves. However, once you get far enough in, you realise that just constructing a series of events that could have happened isn't good enough to "solve" the story. If your explanation requires people to act against their nature inexplicably, or you don't really have an explanation for why someone did something beyond the fact that they must have for the set-up to make sense, then your explanation won't be satisfying.
In Episode 4, this is keenly felt. The murders are mostly trivial to explain away since we have so much freedom to construct a sequence of events. We don't even know if anyone besides George was dead by the time Battler left the guesthouse. However, the phone calls require everyone involved to be lying to Battler, including Krauss, Kyrie, and Jessica. Why did they do this? Under duress? If they knew they were getting killed anyway, I could see Krauss going along with it just to keep his daughter alive. Kyrie has more mixed feelings toward Battler, but I could see it. Jessica feels really weird to me. No one is left to hold hostage for her if we take things at face value. I kind of feel like, even under duress, Jessica would fess up just to ruin the killer's plans at that point.
Episode 4 ends by highlighting the motive more keenly than ever. It was confirmed in red that the killings happen because of something Battler did 6 years ago, which he's failed to remember (sounds like the Sayo promise from Episode 3 might have been it after all. Otherwise, I can't think of anything that's been mentioned.)
What sort of person is "Beatrice"? We know that she secretly met with Maria and taught her about magic, and that she wrote those 2 (or more) message bottles which in some sense predicted the murders. Based on all of the talk about risk, it seems likely that she wrote a lot of these stories, and the two we've heard about explicitly are the ones that happened to make it to shore. Battler has that line about how he won't be able to understand the killer as long as he keeps thinking of them as just a greedy human. The initial letter always claims that solving the epitaph is somehow important, but in Episode 3 everyone and their mother was solving the epitaph and there was still someone besides Eva killing people. She seems to genuinely want people to solve her murder mysteries, considering she ended the first one by telling the reader to find the truth.
I wonder to what extent the fantasy Beatrice is accurate to what the real "Beatrice" is like. It seems like Ange's character arc is probably meant to answer this, given it ends with her committing her own murder spree with "magic".
Here's a crazy theory. I've been thinking a lot about Kanon. He doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does he? Dying and coming back, always vital to the killer's plots, but he doesn't get nearly the backstory that Sayo does. Plus, the fourth wall break with Shannon and Kanon sort of implies that the two of them are fictional characters on the same level as the demons. The end of Episode 4 is pretty clearly telling me that I should be thinking about Kanon, seeing as his body went missing again. It's hard to imagine that Kanon was on-board with a plan where Shannon commits suicide, and then, what, he just wanders off into the woods and does it too? Or Shannon kills him and hides the body so he won't mess up her scene? It's weird.
Back in chapter 1, I called Kinzo being dead by thinking about the set-up of the whole story being written by the killer, and considering what kind of twists such a framing would be designed to support. An obvious idea was that it would allow the author to mislead the reader with a character who doesn't really exist, but there was also a possibility I briefly thought of, but dismissed, when I was thinking about EVA's red truths at the end of Episode 3: the checkmate wouldn't work if two characters were the same person.
What really got me going down this rabbit hole was Beatrice's "at most 17 people were on Rokkenjima" Red Truth. It's possible that it's a double bluff and I'd kind of love if Ryukishi just made fun of me for assuming that there'd turn out to be 16, but it seems like I'm supposed to at least think about it. Kanon's the obvious suspect for a trick like this, since he's the only one Battler has never met previously, but Battler has seen everyone but Kinzo at least once, so there can't be another completely fake person. The only thing left is to cross-reference everyone and see if there are pairs of people Battler has never seen simultaneously.
It took a while, but after going back over the openings of the first 4 episodes, it seems that Shannon and Kanon are never once seen in the same place at the same time, except in third person scenes where they're surrounded by accomplices. Circumstantially, Beatrice says 5 people can be spared by the game, so it's odd that there are supposedly 6 survivors of Episode 1, two of whom are Kanon and Shannon. There's some weirdness regarding how Kanon keeps getting described as hard to notice. In the chapel scene in Episode 2, Shannon just kind of vanishes in-between the bodies being discovered and Battler showing up. We're told she's helping Kinzo write his will, which pretty clearly wasn't true at this point. In the Episode 3 locked room chain, the rooms are set up so that Shannon's has to be entered first, and Kanon's last, so Shannon could, in theory, just move while everyone is upstairs. She has a master key, after all.
It definitely seems like the sort of twist this game would do. The biggest problem is that it would require George and Jessica to be the stupidest people alive, which actually isn't that big a problem, honestly.
I've been pretty busy lately, but I'm still thinking about Umineko and I'm excited to read the Answer Arcs. I'll do one more post discussing the murder mystery stuff from 4, and then maybe a post or two in between the arcs just for fun, before I move on.
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