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To everyone that says that Alicent can't be held accountable for her actions because "she was raised in a patriarchal society" and was a victim of said patriarchy: Yes we fucking can.

Literally every single woman in that show was raised in the same exact society and the vast majority of them were also victims of it---yet you don't see Aemma, Rhaenys, Rhaenyra, Laena, etc. acting like and doing the things Alicent did.

Aemma was forced to marry and have children young, YOUNGER than Alicent, and was forced through a ton of miscarriages and stillbirths by Viserys because he wanted a son---and yet she still managed to be kind and a good mother; Rhaenys at least got to choose her husband, but she had her first child at the same age Alicent did, and she was snubbed her inheritance because of the patriarchy and then got humiliated over it by everyone afterwards over and over again---yet she never bowed to the patriarchy, was a good mother, and died fighting for another woman's right to rule;

Rhaenyra was forced into a marriage she didn't want and had children young as well WHILE HAVING A DEBILITATING FEAR OF CHILDBIRTH AFTER WATCHING HER MOTHER BE FORCED TO HAVE THEM AND EVENTUALLY DIE BECAUSE HER FATHER WANTED A SON, her father neglected her because she wasn't a son until he could use her to snub Daemon, and she was then tormented constantly by ALICENT who weaponized the patriarchy to abuse and humiliate her at every turn---and yet she was still kind, still tried for peace, and was still a good mother; Laena was ALSO pimped out by her father to an old man, at a YOUNGER age then Alicent was, with the only difference being that Viserys didn't choose to marry her, and then married another man at a young age and had children young (a man who still pined over another woman, mind you)---and yet Laena was kind and a good mother as well.

All of these women were raised in the same patriarchal society, all of them suffered, and yet none of these women used their suffering to inflict pain and misery on other women...except Alicent.

ALICENT made another woman’s wedding all about herself and protected the pissy man-child that ruined said wedding and literally MURDERED SOMEONE from any consequences, for no reason other than plain jealousy.

ALICENT used her power as queen to abuse and humiliate Rhaenyra—including forcing her to either be separated from her child immediately after birth or walk halfway across the castle IMMEDIATELY AFTER GIVING BIRTH, humiliating her in the small council, and spreading rumors that could quite literally get Rhaenyra and her children killed.

ALICENT threatened a rape victim into silence and refused to punish her son for being a rapist, despite it apparently happening MULTIPLE TIMES.

ALICENT forced her daughter to marry her son, WHO SHE KNOWS IS A RAPIST AND ABUSER, and then have children younger than she herself even had kids.

ALICENT knowingly stole another woman’s birthright by leveraging misogyny and told ANOTHER WOMAN who experienced the same injustice that women basically shouldn’t rule, they should just stand on the sidelines while men do everything, bc they’re inferior.

So no, I’m not going to excuse her upholding the patriarchy and using it to abuse other women just because she EXISTS in the asoiaf universe 🤷‍♀️

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Also, even if it WAS used in-show to support her claim (more than it already was), I just know that if Rhaenyra killed that stag TG would be up in arms about- "Rhaenyra the Cruel! She killed a poor defenseless animal! She has no respect for life/the gods/whatever/etc!" -like...no matter what Rhaenyra does or doesn't do, they're always gonna find some way to use it against her 🤷‍♀️

I've seen comments like "Rhaenyra should have killed the white stag, then no one could argue that she's the one to inherit the crown."

If Rhaenyra had killed the white stag, TG would have claimed it was a sign that Aegon was to become king, since it would have happened on his birthday. Do you really think they wouldn't have turned that to their advantage too?

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So funny (read: sad) to me that Vaelyra doesn't even give a fuck that her father is dead, she knows damn well that he was a horrible person and doesn't miss him at all, but she still gives Jaime so much shit about killing him because she can't really lay Elia, Rhaenys, and Aegon's deaths at his feet but she feels like he was supposed to protect them anyway...

...and Jaime knows this and never argues with her about it because he feels guilty too <3

enemies to lovers angst goes brrrr

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I swear, I hate Robert Baratheon, but I was lowkey missing him while watching HotD---if Viserys had half the fucking backbone that Robert had then the Dance wouldn't have ever happened because Otto and Alicent's plotting would've been stopped the second they started overreaching.

Vizzy-T just stood by and let Alicent abuse Rhaenyra in multiple ways, he let Otto and Alicent defy his orders with no pushback, he let a random knight murder someone apart of his son-in-law's household during his daughter's WEDDING with no punishment, he didn't care when the same knight was encouraging others to beat the shit out of his grandsons and clearly neglected their training, he let his wife publicly defy him and treat him as less than a whelp, he let his wife call his grandsons bastards and spread rumors with very little pushback, and he even let his wife try to gouge out the eye of his 5 year old grandson and injure his daughter with no fucking consequences.

All I'm saying is that if Otto and Alicent had done even a third of that with Robert, he would've had their heads on spikes by nightfall.

He wasn't a good person nor a good king, but at least we could count on his willfulness, his pride, and his anger.

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Someone who's username is "Alicent is innocent" saying that Rhaenyra lost everything because of her own bad decisions...I mean do I even have to write the post at this point?

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I can't believe TG says that Alicent attacked Lucerys/Rhaenyra "for Aemond" or "to avenge her son losing an eye" whenever, during her entire speech, all she mentions is HERSELF and Rhaenyra (the woman she places blame on for all of her suffering, rather than the people actually responsible).

"I? What have I done but what was expected of me? Forever upholding the kingdom, the family, the law. While you flout it all to do as you please. Where is duty? Where is sacrifice? It's trampled under your pretty foot again. And now you take my son's eye, and to even that, you feel entitled."

Aemond is mentioned once in this dialogue and, even then, the focus is more on the fact that he is ALICENT'S son rather than his own person who just lost an eye. Her attacking Rhaenyra wasn't about Aemond, it was about the fact that Rhaenyra wasn't "suffering enough" for Alicent's taste---Alicent was jealous of the fact that Rhaenyra managed to find happiness in her confines, whereas she herself did not.

As it was so succiently put in the reblogs of one of my other posts: "Aemond lost an eye and Alicent found a way to make it about herself."

Even before this, Alicent barely even comforts him and she CERTAINLY doesn't listen to him when he tries to get her to stop escalating things.

She was more concerned about getting REVENGE than actually making sure her son was okay and that something like that never happened again. If she was then she would've listen to her son, she would've been pissed at the GUARDS for not watching any of the children (INCLUDING Aemond, because do y'all realize how dangerous it was for him to try and claim Vhagar alone? He could've died because no one was watching him), and she would've been more concerned with THEM being punished rather than trying to maim a literal 5 year old for what he did accidentally in a panic.

Aemond went through a lot at Driftmark---he gained a dragon and lost an eye (something I blame the guards, including Criston Cole, for because, again, they weren't doing their jobs and watching the damn kids)---but let's not pretend for a second that Alicent's main concern in this scene was him. She was only concerned for him to the extent that he was an extension of herself and her pride.

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Why is it that every terrible thing that Alicent does is ok in TG’s eyes because she’s “protecting her children” but whenever Rhaenyra does ANYTHING “protecting her kids is no excuse.”

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Alicent forces Aegon onto the throne to usurp Rhaenyra, something she knows is going to start a war where many—including people in her circle—are going to die?

“She had to! Rhaenyra was OBVIOUSLY going to murder Aegon and Aemond for just existing, this was just to protect her children!” (even though putting Aegon on the throne and Aemond in the midst of battle ENSURED that Rhaenyra would have to eventually kill them, but they’ll never admit that)

Alicent goes after a 5 year old with a knife to maim, and likely kill (going by the angle of the knife), him for an accident that she should’ve held the ADULTS responsible for? And then she injures the literal heir to the throne, which is treason?

“Aemond just lost an eye! She’s a mother! Did you expect her to just do nothing? She was protecting her children!”

Alicent threatens a rape victim into silence to make sure that her son faces no consequences for his actions, then doing nothing to stop something like that ever happens again besides just saying "stop," before changing the topic of conversation to how they're family and need to stick together- (but dw, pookie, it's still fine to bully your brother, I don't care)?

"Well, what did you want to her to do? It's not like she, or anyone else, can punish him, he's a prince! She's just protecting her children!" (even though we've seen Daemon actively punished for less than raping a serving girl, and Rhaenyra be punished and lectured by Viserys, so clearly they CAN be punished. Not to mention that TG wants Rhaenyra punished for everything under the sun without a single mention of her being a princess so she "can't" be punished)

Rhaenyra has a gay, implied to be infertile, husband but still needs heirs to the throne so she has children with another man, with her husbands consent to ALL of it---and then, because it coming out that her kids aren't Laenor's would LITERALLY result in them being killed, she lies about it to protect them?

"Well she should've just TOLD THE TRUTH! What did she expect? She should've been faithful to her husband and this wouldn't have happened! Whore! Slut! Liar!"

Rhaenyra says ONE thing about how Aemond should be QUESTIONED (not tortured, clearly) about where he heard the bastard rumors as a RESPONSE to Alicent saying Lucaerys' eye should be taken out as revenge, therefore just trying to take the attention off of him and protect him?

"She OBVIOUSLY meant that Aemond should be TORTURED! What a horrible person! What a horrible sister! How could she say that? He's just a CHILD! Bitch! Maegor with teats! She deserves everything that happens after this!" (even though Lucaerys was also a child, and way younger than Aemond, but they'll never critique Alicent for going after him with a knife)

Rhaenyra moves away from King's Landing to Dragonstone in order to protect herself, her husband, and her kids because Alicent and the other Greens have made their lives a living hell and also made it clear that they ARE willing to hurt them in any way they can?

"Rhaenyra is so STUPID and DUMB! She left the seat of her power over a petty little fight! Alicent didn't abuse her! No wonder she got usurped, she deserved it! Moron! Dumbass! Bitch!" (Despite the fact that Alicent's abuse is literally shown on screen multiple times, and it's implied to have been happening for a long time, so she definitely DID abuse Rhaenyra)

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Rhaenyra's actions don't hurt anyone else, but she's the worst fucking person ever no matter what she does---but Alicent's actions hurt EVERYONE around her, but she's a saint and above all criticism because how dare you imply she's anything less than a perfect pure victim at all times.

Like...do y'all seriously not see the double standards here?

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The Greens are back at it again with their delusional as fuck takes.

What exactly has Rhaenyra stolen from other women?

*Snap snap* Quickly.

She couldn't have stolen a throne from Rhaenys, by the time she's been named heir it's been like two fucking decades since the Great Council of 101, and it was actually Viserys and Jaehaerys and the lords/ladies that voted AGAINST her rule that took it away from her.

Not Rhaenyra.

She couldn't have stolen anything from Alicent. It's not Rhaenyra's fault that she was born a princess and Alicent was just a daughter of a second son from one of the great houses, that's just random chance on circumstance of birth. It's not Rhaenyra's fault that Alicent had to go after Viserys and then eventually married him, that's on Otto for forcing her and Viserys for choosing to marry her. It's not Rhaenyra's fault that Alicent is confined to suffer in silence and have zero happiness and no freedom because "that's just what women have to do," that's on their society and---as an adult---Alicent herself because she never even tried to make things better, not that's been shown or mentioned anyway.

All of that is on Otto, Viserys, society, and adult!Alicent making her own chains.

Not Rhaenyra.

She couldn't have stolen Daemon from Laena because in the books they were basically a throuple and in the show nothing happens, and Daemon and Rhaenyra literally don't even SEE each other, until she's already dead. And Daemon still pining after Rhaenyra while he's married isn't her fucking fault, she hasn't seen/talked to him in over ten fucking years, that's on Daemon.

Not Rhaenyra.

She couldn't have stolen Laena's daughter's "right to Driftmark" for her sons because it's Corlys who decided/decides on the succession, and Rhaenyra even GIVES HER DAUGHTERS MORE by betrothing them to her sons---making Baela the future Queen and Rhaena the future Lady of Driftmark anyway. Even if she didn't, though, the fact that Laena's daughters weren't named the heirs to Driftmark was on Corlys.

Not Rhaenyra.

She couldn't have taken Jaehaerys from Helaena, she had no idea Blood and Cheese was going on/had happened, and we even SEE Rhaenyra get angry about it on Helaena's behalf. B&C was Daemon's doing and so Daemon is responsible for Jaehaerys' death.

Not Rhaenyra.

Like...there's literally nothing she could've possibly "stolen" from other women, so I have no fucking clue what this person could possibly be referring to.

And as for Rhaenyra "not doing anything about her misogynistic incel husband," do you mean the same way that Alicent doesn't do anything about her misogynistic rapist son? The same way Alicent doesn't do anything about her incel kinslayer son (who eventually also is a rapist)? The same way Alicent literally does EVERYTHING SHE CAN to uphold misogyny and weaponize it against other women, including to abuse and humiliate them and even THREATEN a rape victim?

Like that?

And, call me crazy, but compared to a vast number of men in that show Daemon is not a misogynistic incel.

He showed care and understanding of Rhaenyra's fear of childbirth, he gave let Laena decide what she wanted to do when she was dying in childbirth and actually cared about her survival, (in a deleted scene) he cared for and comforted his daughters and he was never shown to only give af about having a son, he never said anything negative about Rhaenyra having a sexual relationship outside of her marriage and even showed interest and care for her in regards to it, he defended her against a man calling her a whore as well as others that threatened her/their family, he stayed faithful to her, and he is ACTIVELY FIGHTING and eventually DIES fighting for HER claim to the throne.

The bar is in hell, yeah, but Daemon is jumping over it---which is more than I can say for the men Alicent associates with, since we're judging them on that.

And Alicent was NOT supported by "everyone" be so fucking serious right now 💀 the only people who "supported" her were the Greens, and even then she never actually had any genuine support. She was only supported by her father and the other Greens because she was useful in their plans, they didn't give a fuck about her once they had what they wanted, which was Aegon on the throne.

They didn't give a fuck about her because TG is nothing but a bunch of misogynists and Alicent is a WOMAN, she ain't anymore "special" than every other woman and she's gonna be subjected to the same treatment as everyone else---which is why she's supposedly "licking Rhaenyra's boots."

She fought FOR sexism and misogyny and the oppression of women, but when she suddenly realized that she wasn't gonna be the exception to the rule because she's so "special," she got upset and wanted to backtrack because suddenly misogyny isn't so fun anymore. If you ask me, that sounds like a hypocrite and a moron.

Not to mention that, before this, Alicent wasn't even "licking Rhaenyra's boots"---she literally fought for her usurpation, spread rumors that could get her [Rhaenyra's] sons killed, injured her, abused her for 10+ years, humiliated her every chance she got, and betrayed her at every turn.

The "nicest" thing she did for her was say that she shouldn't be killed.

That's literally it.

Alicent offering Aegon and Aemond's heads on a silver platter to Rhaenyra was less about "uwu I wuve Rhaenyra so muwch" and more her covering her ass because she doesn't wanna be on Team Sexism anymore because they're not treating her special and trying to cop out of any consequences.

So yeah, literally every sentence of that take was wrong 🤷‍♀️

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Are we really surprised that TG is back at it with the terrible takes?

It's like they didn't even watch the show, but I'm not shocked.

1. Laenor Velaryon - Corlys' Son

Idk if you know this, since you obviously ignored everything in the show, but Laenor CHOSE to leave and fake his death---Rhaenyra didn't do jack shit to him.

Laenor was shown multiple times to feel cramped and unfulfilled by life at court, he wanted to travel and fight and do more than what he could by Rhaenyra's side. He and Rhaenyra discuss it at length and Rhaenyra literally has to tell him to get his act together for their sons.

Laenor leaving and faking his death was a decision made by both of them for personal reasons on both sides.

Rhaenyra would be free to marry who she wanted, a man who could do a better job of defending her and their children and who wouldn't be stifled by a life at her side. Laenor would be free from the restrictions and responsibilities of being a noble and king consort, and he would also be free to marry and love whoever he wanted, and he would gain the freedom and adventure he desperately wanted.

It benefitted both of them. It was a mutual decision.

It wasn't Rhaenyra's fault.

2. Vaemond Velaryon - Corlys' Brother

Again, since you clearly haven't watched the show, Vaemond was literally trying to unseat Corlys' chosen heir BEFORE HE WAS EVEN DEAD and take Driftmark for himself out of greed. Idk about you, but if I were Corlys I wouldn't give a FUCK about some greedy grasping jackass trying to disrespect my wishes, my legacy, and my grandson.

Not to mention that Vaemond knew damn well it's treason to question the legitimacy of the royal line, and Viserys made it very clear multiple times what would happen if people didn't shut the fuck up about bastardy---plus he literally called Rhaenyra a WHORE, did he think there'd be no consequences to that?

Also, it was Daemon who killed Vaemond.

Not Rhaenyra 🤷‍♀️

3. Rhaenys Targaryen - Corlys' Wife

Be so fucking serious, Rhaenys was the one who pushed for them to support Rhaenyra in the war, Rhaenys was the one who decided to ride into battle, and Rhaenys was the one who decided to do so without any kind of backup.

How is any of that Rhaenyra's fault?

Should she have just ceased to exist? Or tell Rhaenys, an experienced warrior with an experienced war dragon, that she's not qualified enough to fight (even though that's not true)? Should she have seen into the future and known it'd be a 2 v. 1 instead of a 1 v. 1? Or known that Aemond would use sneak attacks because he was too much of a wuss to fight her head on?

Not to mention that it's so funny you bring up Rhaenys' death as a way to try and fault Rhaenyra when it's someone from TG that actually kills her.

...

Anyways, as usual, TG has no idea what they're talking about.

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I’m bored, so here’s a dramatic preview/summary of my Game of Thrones fic, 'a song of silver and steel,' which I’m currently outlining:

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King's Landing is sacked, Aerys Targaryen and his family are killed, the war is ended and the Rebellion has won. After the sacking of the castle, after all the fighting is over and done with, a little girl is found hiding in the Mad King's chambers---apparently having ran and hid there after she heard the commotion. She is Aerys Targaryen's bastard, the Kingslayer tells them---a lapse in the Mad King's oath to never take another mistress---though she carries the same silver-white hair and lilac eyes as the others.

She does not beg for her life.

She does not speak at all.

Robert Baratheon wants her dead, a Targaryen bastard is still a Targaryen after all, but Ned Stark steps in and asks him to spare her---she is only a child, a girl, she poses no threat to him. They argue and fight and threaten, throw accusations of dishonor and cowardice and treachery, there even comes a moment where Ned wonders if Robert might kill him, but he will not let him murder this child like the Lannisters killed the others. And, eventually, Robert listens, if only begrudgingly, but he wants her out of his sight, the farther the better, and Ned knows better than to press his luck on the matter.

So Ned has Benjen take the girl to the Wall and raise her there---far away from Robert and his anger, and far away from the Irone Throne and any claim she might have to it. She is the closest thing that Benjen ever has to a daughter and she grows up under his protection as well as the protection of Maester Aemon and Jeor Mormont---who keep her far from the men of the Watch and train her to be able to take care of herself.

She does not take the Black.

She does not speak at all.

It's not until she's one-and-ten that anyone hears her utter a word. Vaelyra. Her name they think, in honor of where the Targaryens came from, of the home of the dragonlords of old…they call her “Lyra” instead. Still, she does not formally take the Black. She is as good a ranger as any, though, and never tries to run and never speaks of her life or her family before, so it does not matter. She is a Man of the Night's Watch all the same.

She has dreams of a girl, only a couple years younger than her, and a boy only a couple years older. A girl with white hair and wide dark-purple eyes, a boy with a dragon's anger and the delusions of a beggar-king. She does not tell anyone of these dreams, she rarely talks and what good would it do to remind anyone of what she is, what she was, what they can all see as plain as her face?

When Ned Stark calls for Benjen to come to Winterfell for the feast in Robert's honor, Benjen decides to bring the girl with him---despite protestations from the others, despite the fact that he knows it's a terrible idea. He had brought her with him to Winterfell all the times he'd visited before, and he refuses to let Robert's presence there change this. Lyra had been a quiet girl, she was a quiet woman, she would not cause trouble.

Her presence sends Robert into a rage, howling and cursing and making threats to anyone that would hear, but Ned reminds him of his oath to not kill her, so he instead drinks and eats and fucks enough to forget she's even there. For her part, Lyra keeps to herself---to the town and the godswood, rather than the Great Keep. She is not there when Bran Stark falls, but she is there afterwards, standing watch over him and his mother, even as Benjen retreats back to the Wall.

She did not take the Black, though she kept the Night's Watch. Eddard Stark had saved her life once, so this was her Watch now. Her duty. She would stay where he could not. She would keep them safe.

She is there when an assassin is sent to kill Ned's son, and she is there for all that follows.

Watching and waiting.

For what?

That, she does not yet know.

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The Greens are back at it again with their delusional as fuck takes.

What exactly has Rhaenyra stolen from other women?

*Snap snap* Quickly.

She couldn't have stolen a throne from Rhaenys, by the time she's been named heir it's been like two fucking decades since the Great Council of 101, and it was actually Viserys and Jaehaerys and the lords/ladies that voted AGAINST her rule that took it away from her.

Not Rhaenyra.

She couldn't have stolen anything from Alicent. It's not Rhaenyra's fault that she was born a princess and Alicent was just a daughter of a second son from one of the great houses, that's just random chance on circumstance of birth. It's not Rhaenyra's fault that Alicent had to go after Viserys and then eventually married him, that's on Otto for forcing her and Viserys for choosing to marry her. It's not Rhaenyra's fault that Alicent is confined to suffer in silence and have zero happiness and no freedom because "that's just what women have to do," that's on their society and---as an adult---Alicent herself because she never even tried to make things better, not that's been shown or mentioned anyway.

All of that is on Otto, Viserys, society, and adult!Alicent making her own chains.

Not Rhaenyra.

She couldn't have stolen Daemon from Laena because in the books they were basically a throuple and in the show nothing happens, and Daemon and Rhaenyra literally don't even SEE each other, until she's already dead. And Daemon still pining after Rhaenyra while he's married isn't her fucking fault, she hasn't seen/talked to him in over ten fucking years, that's on Daemon.

Not Rhaenyra.

She couldn't have stolen Laena's daughter's "right to Driftmark" for her sons because it's Corlys who decided/decides on the succession, and Rhaenyra even GIVES HER DAUGHTERS MORE by betrothing them to her sons---making Baela the future Queen and Rhaena the future Lady of Driftmark anyway. Even if she didn't, though, the fact that Laena's daughters weren't named the heirs to Driftmark was on Corlys.

Not Rhaenyra.

She couldn't have taken Jaehaerys from Helaena, she had no idea Blood and Cheese was going on/had happened, and we even SEE Rhaenyra get angry about it on Helaena's behalf. B&C was Daemon's doing and so Daemon is responsible for Jaehaerys' death.

Not Rhaenyra.

Like...there's literally nothing she could've possibly "stolen" from other women, so I have no fucking clue what this person could possibly be referring to.

And as for Rhaenyra "not doing anything about her misogynistic incel husband," do you mean the same way that Alicent doesn't do anything about her misogynistic rapist son? The same way Alicent doesn't do anything about her incel kinslayer son (who eventually also is a rapist)? The same way Alicent literally does EVERYTHING SHE CAN to uphold misogyny and weaponize it against other women, including to abuse and humiliate them and even THREATEN a rape victim?

Like that?

And, call me crazy, but compared to a vast number of men in that show Daemon is not a misogynistic incel.

He showed care and understanding of Rhaenyra's fear of childbirth, he gave let Laena decide what she wanted to do when she was dying in childbirth and actually cared about her survival, (in a deleted scene) he cared for and comforted his daughters and he was never shown to only give af about having a son, he never said anything negative about Rhaenyra having a sexual relationship outside of her marriage and even showed interest and care for her in regards to it, he defended her against a man calling her a whore as well as others that threatened her/their family, he stayed faithful to her, and he is ACTIVELY FIGHTING and eventually DIES fighting for HER claim to the throne.

The bar is in hell, yeah, but Daemon is jumping over it---which is more than I can say for the men Alicent associates with, since we're judging them on that.

And Alicent was NOT supported by "everyone" be so fucking serious right now 💀 the only people who "supported" her were the Greens, and even then she never actually had any genuine support. She was only supported by her father and the other Greens because she was useful in their plans, they didn't give a fuck about her once they had what they wanted, which was Aegon on the throne.

They didn't give a fuck about her because TG is nothing but a bunch of misogynists and Alicent is a WOMAN, she ain't anymore "special" than every other woman and she's gonna be subjected to the same treatment as everyone else---which is why she's supposedly "licking Rhaenyra's boots."

She fought FOR sexism and misogyny and the oppression of women, but when she suddenly realized that she wasn't gonna be the exception to the rule because she's so "special," she got upset and wanted to backtrack because suddenly misogyny isn't so fun anymore. If you ask me, that sounds like a hypocrite and a moron.

Not to mention that, before this, Alicent wasn't even "licking Rhaenyra's boots"---she literally fought for her usurpation, spread rumors that could get her [Rhaenyra's] sons killed, injured her, abused her for 10+ years, humiliated her every chance she got, and betrayed her at every turn.

The "nicest" thing she did for her was say that she shouldn't be killed.

That's literally it.

Alicent offering Aegon and Aemond's heads on a silver platter to Rhaenyra was less about "uwu I wuve Rhaenyra so muwch" and more her covering her ass because she doesn't wanna be on Team Sexism anymore because they're not treating her special and trying to cop out of any consequences.

So yeah, literally every sentence of that take was wrong 🤷‍♀️

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Just generally speaking, how the hell do people get “torture” from “sharply question” because I don’t see it.

1. Aemond is a prince, unless he did some crazy out-of-the-box Maegor type shit, no one is gonna be torturing him. However you feel about Viserys’ parenting, Aemond was his son and there’s no way he’d ever even entertain the idea of him being tortured---especially not for something that wasn't his fault.*

Rhaenyra knows this. She’s not stupid---she’s grown up watching Viserys get angry at Daemon, for shit he's ACTUALLY done, and never once bring up torture. So, frankly, if we're going with the theory that Rhaenyra meant torture and actually wanted it to happen, it'd be stupid as fuck for her to bring it up to VISERYS in PUBLIC when she knows damn well that he'd never consider it an option.

2. We literally SEE Viserys do as she asks in this scene! She gets what she wants after she says it!

And guess what? There’s no torture involved.

Viserys asks him who fed him the shit about Rhae's kids being bastards. Aemond then, trying to cover for Alicent, says that Aegon told him the rumors. Aegon, confused as fuck, says "what?" before Viserys asks him where HE heard it, to which Aegon simply says "look at them."

And then before anyone can apply some critical thinking and realize that it was obviously Alicent feeding this shit to them---which would result in her facing some kind of consequence because Viserys has told her multiple times to drop it---Alicent then makes a homophobic and demeaning comment towards Laenor, who is quite literally mourning the loss of his sister.

...

Idk about y'all, but I wouldn't consider asking a question torture, but that could just be me ig 🤷‍♀️

Should Viserys have asked Aemond about this shit the day he lost an eye? No, there was a time and a place to have that conversation, but it CLEARLY wasn't right then. Personally, I think that the whole situation would've been resolved a lot better if everyone had just went to bed, thought on it, and then decided what to do in the morning---but that's not what was done.

However, TG acting like Aemond being asked a question is the worst thing in the world is just fucking ridiculous---especially considering how people use this as "evidence" of Viserys being a bad parent** and then ignore Alicent's actions in the scene: slapping and yelling at Aegon for something that wasn't his fault, ignoring Aemond asking her to stop escalating things, and then making Aemond losing an eye all about her and what she's suffered. Instead of, y'know, the son that lost an eye.

And acting like Rhaenyra "clearly" didn't actually mean "questioned" when she said "questioned" is a fucking REACH.

Not to mention that: 3. even if Rhaenyra DID mean "torture" when she said "questioned" ...so what?

She only said it in RESPONSE to Alicent advocating for Luce's eye to be taken out, so it was very obviously just a defensive response meant to try and take the attention off of her son. She was just trying to protect him.

She also only says it ONCE and there is absolutely NO ACTION behind her words, if she actually wanted Aemond tortured you'd think she'd press the subject, but she doesn't---so clearly it's not actually something she wants. Meanwhile Alicent brings up the idea of Luce being maimed as revenge MULTIPLE TIMES and then GOES AFTER HIM WITH A KNIFE---despite everyone, again including AEMOND, telling her to stop.

...but you never hear TG criticize her for that, now do you?

Which brings up another point:

Alicent attacks a 5 year old with a knife and it's fine and even commendable because she's "protecting her children," but Rhaenyra says that her brother should be questioned and suddenly she's an evil terrible bitch who clearly wanted him to be tortured and die.

Like, do y'all not see the hypocrisy?

Anyways, Rhaenyra obviously did NOT mean "torture" and if she did I don't think it's this awful thing TG makes it out to be because she clearly didn't mean it and probably knew Viserys would never actually do anything.

*Despite what some people apparently assume about me, I don't think Aemond was at fault for Driftmark, just like I don't think the other kids were necessarily at fault either. They were all kids, they were gonna react like kids and act like they were raised to act. The main fault is on the adults that should've been watching the damn kids so they couldn't claim dragons and get in brawls and put themselves in dangerous situations.

**Oh no, Viserys didn't want to intentionally maim another child after his child was accidentally maimed, instead he wants to resolve things sensibly instead of blindly seeking revenge. What a terrible person. /s Viserys was a shit father to all of his kids, but this particular situation isn't an example of that---it's him, for once, making a good decision.

[daenerys-apolog1st]

Gotta love the hypocrisy of TG Stans:

*Talking about how Aegon raped Dyana and likely other serving girls, since we see that he has bastards and also the serving girls are all clearly afraid of him*

“Well that doesn’t count! He’s not a rapist in the books! The show just did that for no reason!”

*Talking about how the show is a vast whitewashing of F&B because, in the books, pretty much everything aside from B&C that makes the Greens more sympathetic didn’t happen- (Alicent actively goes after Viserys and isn’t a victim, Aemond doesn’t get bullied and is actually trying to kill the other kids at Driftmark, Aegon isn’t used and abused by his family for power, etc.) -and a lot of stuff that makes the Blacks look bad also didn’t happen- (Rhaenyra and Daemon loved Laena and were torn apart by her death they did NOT fuck at her funeral, Daemon didn’t kill his first wife bc he was in the stepstones, the Velaryon boys were probably Laenor’s legit kids bc they had dark hair genes on both sides, etc.) -not to mention the erasure and butchering of pretty much every TB character and relationships to each other*

“Well, we’re talking about the SHOW not the BOOK! The book is supposed to be inaccurate, it’s a history book, so nothing in it has to be adhered to!” -aka we can just make shit up- “Stop bringing up the books!”

…like either we can bring up the books when talking about the show or we can’t, you don’t get to cherry pick random out-of-context quotes and then ignore the rest just bc it suits your argument 🤷‍♀️ pick a fucking side

[daenerys-apolog1st]

Team Green is so fucking delusional, I swear, but what’s new?

First of all, there ARE thousands of smallfolk on Dragonstone, that’s literally the point. Dragonstone is the seat of the heir to the throne, where they’re meant to rule a populated island in preparation for them ruling the Seven Kingdoms, kind of like a practice run and a test of their skills before they actually rule. Just because the writers of HotD ignore all the political intricacies and world building of asoiaf- (political intricacies and world building that made GoT so popular, I might add) -in favor of “cooler” action scenes and “blah blah blah Rhaenicent” doesn’t make it any less true.

And Team Green forgets, or likely ignores since it contradicts their “TG cares about family” bullshit, but Aegon and Helaena- (Jaehaerys’ PARENTS) -literally didn’t want the funeral to happen.

Otto outright TELLS US ON SCREEN that the reason they’re doing it is to garner sympathy and turn people away from the Blacks- (which is why the announcer is saying “behold the work of Rhaenyra the Cruel” rather than a eulogy or anything about Jaehaerys) -and then we see both Aegon and Helaena oppose that, only to get steamrolled by Otto and Alicent. Helaena says she doesn’t want to grieve in front of the smallfolk, but then Alicent pressures her before trying to cover her ass about Criston. Aegon literally states outright that he doesn’t want his son’s body dragged through the streets and looks to Alicent for help, but she ignores him and—by how Otto acts in that scene—we can assume that Otto pushed until he got his way or simply did it without Aegon’s consent.

They likely WANTED a private funeral like Rhaenyra had, but unlike Rhaenyra- (who was surrounded by people who actually cared about her and Lucaerys, which is why we don’t get “behold the work of Aegon the Cruel” and using her son’s body as a political pawn) -Aegon and Helaena were surrounded by people who cared more about power than their actual family, despite what TG would have you think.

As for Team Black supposedly “not caring about the smallfolk like Team Green,” where’s the damn proof?

Rhaenyra getting mad and making a petulant comment at seventeen after watching a play they held making fun of an insecurity she’s had for years? Daemon killing a random guy as a body double for Laenor in a scene that doesn’t exist in the books? Rhaenys making her entrance at Aegon’s coronation in another scene that never happens in the books? The dragonseed scene which, again, NEVER HAPPENS IN THE BOOKS?

At this point, the show is basically fan fiction and I’m gonna treat it as such- (but with much less respect tbh) -because say what you will about F&B being a “biased history book,” but y’all know damn well that the Maesters would’ve JUMPED at the chance to talk all about how terrible TB was if any of that shit had actually happened.

But hey, if TG wants to use it as evidence in their arguments, so can I!

Did TG care about the smallfolk when Aegon raped a serving girl and Alicent threatened her into silence? Did TG care about the smallfolk when they started a war they knew damn well would result in the deaths and suffering of smallfolk? Did TG care about the smallfolk when Aegon killed all the rat catchers, including innocent people who didn’t do anything? Did TG care about the smallfolk when they spent money on lavish feasts for themselves while the smallfolk of King’s Landing starved?

And that’s not even including anything from the books, in which they—unsurprisingly—murder smallfolk on a much bigger scale, like Aemond burning the Riverlands.

But hey, Team Green is “team smallfolk,” right?

Call me crazy but I’m not gonna take a single scene where Aegon is nice to a peasant who is ACTIVELY STROKING HIS EGO as evidence of him and his side giving a damn about the smallfolk when everything else they do is in opposition to that.

And, not for nothing, but Rhaenyra was said to have charmed and earned the love of the smallfolk in the books, who quite literally went to FIGHT and DIE for her—not to mention that it’s someone from TEAM BLACK in the books who points out the fact that smallfolk are dying and that that’s a bad thing:

“I’ll have no songs about how brave you died, Kingmaker. There’s tens o’ thousands dead on your account.” — Plate Longleaf to Criston Cole

So like…yeah.

I’m not gonna sit here and say that Rhaenyra and co. were out on the streets handing out soup to the homeless or had plans of turning KL into a classless communist utopia or whatever, but let’s not pretend that Team Green was any better.

And if either side is “team smallfolk” it’s not the ones who started a war over greed, knowing how badly it would harm the people of the realm 🤷‍♀️

[daenerys-apolog1st]

I'm never gonna get over how the show completely butchered book!Jon, like I know they butchered everyone, but Jon's one of the ones that hurts the most ngl

[daenerys-apolog1st]

“Do you miss the Mad King’s rule, girl?” The man asked, every bit the hateful monster that she remembered from all those years ago…but she was not afraid of him. She had been, when she was younger. When she was a small, frail, little girl cowering in her father's closet, waiting for the men who'd protected her all her life to kill her as they had her family. When he was a towering giant looming above her, carrying a warhammer larger than she was and covered in her brother's blood, filled with enough rage to start a war and win it. She'd been so afraid of him back then. But now she was older, wiser, stronger---she'd become a woman with blood black as night, a sword sharp with the steel of her namesake, and over a hundred rangings under her belt. And he was just a fat, drunken old man with a grudge. She was not afraid. Not anymore. “How could I miss something I scarcely remember?” It wasn’t the admission he was hoping for, but it wasn’t quite an omission either. It was the only bit of rebellion she could afford. He wanted to kill her then, she knew. 'Let him try,' she thought, an icy sort of anger burning through her, 'perhaps I'll prevail where my half-brother had not.'

- Excerpt from my GoT fic, 'a song of silver and steel,' in Vaelyra’s POV