#anti stonetoss

[hellyeahheroes]

[jadedjoshe]

"This doesn't sound like free speech to me. Sounds like Elon Musk likes being a little edge lord."

Check tags for warning!

[transcendingblood]

Some very chill things happening on Elon Musk’s Twitter™️ right now.

Also for some reason the support email still uses the name Twitter lmfao.

[thewebcomicsreview]

so what's your take on the recent "stonetoss is a much better comic than haus of decline because it has fewer words" over on twitter?

I really wanted to reply with a snarky dismissive one-liner. I had one written and everything, but then I wanted to make sure I understood the context and looked into this and ugh. Now I have to explain Twitter drama, this sucks.

Okay. Christ.

Haus of Decline makes this comic

The comic pops up again, and a person named Basil sees it and has a take that it has too many words.

As arguably the most prominent Webcomic Critic out there (which is the say, the only one still doing it), I kind of prefer the wordless version as well, but it's a matter of taste, more than an "objectively correct" take.

Basil then follows up on that take with a rather spicier one

It's worth noting here that Basil is saying Hans Kristian Graebener is "better" in the sense that they believe it's more effective propaganda, not in their own personal opinion of quality. And that's....arguable? For one, Haus of Decline isn't really trying to be left-wing propaganda, it's just shitposting, and for two I think Hans Kristian Graebener's effectiveness is way more complicated and sophisticated than just "brevity". And for three, saying Hans Kristian Graebener is "better comics" is really ill-advised, especially given some context I'll reveal shortly.

Haus sees this, calls Basil a moron, and it turns into a dumb stupid internet argument where both people look bad. And being, again, the top Webcomic Critic, I can confirm that sometimes when you call a webcomic bad the creator will get mad at you over it and that's just something you have to expect and live with and try not to beclown yourself in response to. I don't think Basil responded well here, and "just learn to take criticism" is a pretty common and loaded phrase in Webcomics Discourse. Still, whatever. A questionable take led to a short slap fight. That would be the end of it.

Except. The context.

Seven or eight months ago, Basil made this tweet.

Which is a far better tweet, and is now a meme used by liberals in intra-left twitter discord fights to dunk on the anti-voting Trump-curious twitter left. This tweet also came around the time Will Stancil was whipping a lot of normie liberals to push back against the anti-Biden narrative and obviously the election itself has led a notable shift in the vibes where you're seeing a lot more "Biden's not that bad" takes and even a bit of "Actually, Biden is good and I'm tired of pretending he's not" in leftist spaces. And if you follow my personal account you'll know that my vibes have also shifted in that direction a lot. Basil obviously didn't cause the shift, even Stancil didn't, it was the election, but it's their name on the top of the tweet that's used as an anti-anti-voting meme that the left still doesn't has a great response to, so a lot of leftists fucking hate Basil. The kind of passionate hatred you only feel when you're getting clowned on by Matthew fucking Yglesias. So there's a huge hate mob against Basil in the way that hate mobs tend to occur.

This all attracts the attention of Hans Kristian Graebener, who pops out a comic taking a shot at Haus over this. Which is, honestly, a much better example of why Hans Kristian Graebener is effective propaganda than the brevity thing, because god damn did that pour gasoline on the fire, and....well....tldr:

My take is that this whole fight is incredibly stupid, no one involved looks good, and the only one benefiting from it is the literal fucking Nazi.

[pastelbreakgore]

Carnivorekitty Warning Post

It has come to my attention that artist, writer, and indie gamedev Carnivorekitty/Niwinoodle has a twitter page full of likes that show some extremely toxic and dangerous viewpoints.

Likes include Gays Against Groomers (LGBTQIA+ hate group), Blaire White (Conservative transmedicalist, anti-feminist, racist), Stonetoss (A literal nazi), Transmedscum (toxic transmedicalist), Tim Pool (Far right conspiracy theorist), and general racist posts.

Considering the current climate and the recent declaration of LGBTQIA+ state of emergency in the USA, this is especially hurtful.

EDIT: Admission of transmed added, names censored for safety and wish for anonymity.

Edit 2: Screenshots of the shitty people he follows, so "i just liked the posts!" isnt an excuse.

Links and images under the cut

https://twitter.com/niwinoodle/likes

Now, to cut off any excuses of "I was hacked!" as i often see, here's a transphobic like from months ago.

Update 1: Discord messages

Update 2: followed Twitter pages

[drbased]

A guide on how to be a radfem AND an actual leftist!

So say you see this comic shared by a radfem online:

OK, so straight off the bat we have a kind of... suspicious portrayal of a trans person. In my experience, if a comic has this kind of overly polished art style, well, it's probably not made by a radfem, and it's probably made by a man. In fact, the comic style this reminds me of the most is stonetoss, a barely covert neo-nazi, whose comics I have seen, once again, shared on radblr!!

(fyi this isn't the exact comic bc I couldn't find the one i saw on radblr a while ago, but you get the idea)

If you're an actual committed leftist, you probably don't want to be platforming outright neo-nazis.

And unfortunately for us feminists, a lot of neo-nazis are also anti-trans. So if you're about to share something from outside the radfem bubble, you just might wanna check first to see if it's thinly veiled hate speech that this guy MrPumpkinFace (whose name is in the comic, just to make searching easy for you!!) supports and -

oh - oh god -

Yeah, doesn't take much of a search to find out exactly what kind of politics this guy supports. I repeat:

It doesn't take much of a search to find out exactly what kind of politics this guy supports.

Also, here's a bonus stonetoss comic for ya:

So that's your definitive guide for not being a

complete fucking moron

In the name of 'owning the transes'!!

All you have to do is use that famous radfem pattern recognition and the equally famous radfem common sense and the equally famous radfem ability to check sources - all of which goes out the window when it comes to this subject apparently!!!

(Sorry, did I say this was a guide on how to be a 'leftist'? Sorry, I mean this was a guide on how to do the BARE. FUCKING. MINIMUM.)

Please, please, please don't leave it to random idiots like me to have to keep doing basic google searches for you all, and good fucking luck getting your average mainstream leftist to have any sympathy for you when you're uncritically sharing literal nazi comics on your supposedly feminist platform!!!

[proshippers-against-censorship]

Why are antis legitimate pedophiles so often? Like, I thought it was just a few here and there, but dude, every single anti I've ever known on a personal level has turned out to be some sort of real-life child-rapist, fantasize about their relatives, or talk about wanting to fuck dogs. And most times, it's not some paraphilia that they try to recover from, I see so many of them advocating for these things to be normalized in real life?? When that is literally what they dox and harass people over for doing in fiction??

They shit their pants over someone jerking it to Kanna Kamui, but then they openly defend child-rapists and advocate for the age of consent being lowered. Like, the amount of times I've seen antis openly love people/groups like Vuash, MSI, Shane Dawson/Onision, and even Stonetoss, but insist YOU'RE the creep for liking Vocaloid incest... is really concerning.

I wonder if their moral-high ground censorship is just a cover for their own disgusting fantasies and actions, because I've seen a few too many for it to be some sort of coincidence.

Personal example, which I have said before on here: Knew an anti who insisted I was a sex offender for liking loli, but openly admitted to jerking off to WW2 Holocaust photos to satisfy his concentration camp kink... and somehow thought he was in the right

The only thing that comes to mind is that they're disgusted in themselves, but would rather project than work on their own problems. Idk. People are weird and mysterious, for better or worse.

[ralfmaximus]

Comics and cartoons can be used to entertain, educate and enlighten. In the case of the right-wing web comic creator StoneToss and his eponymous cartoon, they can also be used to spread racism, antisemitism, xenophobia and anti-LGBTQ+ bigotry. Since 2017 StoneToss has been doing just that. It has an exceedingly wide presence among neo-Nazis and white nationalists. The easy-to-digest three- or four-panel comics are accessible vectors for spreading right-wing hate and, as we will show, real-world violence.

Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, Texas has been identified as the cartoonist behind StoneToss and Red Panels, two horrifying web comics popular among Nazis & MAGA weirdos.

Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, Texas does not want you to know that, and has been frantically trying to hide this information.

Elon Musk is a fan and has proactively deleted twitter posts discussing Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, Texas and his Nazi rhetoric.

Wouldn't it be funny if that backfired, and Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, Texas was in the news forever?

[sexhaver]

The current anti-AI art team: Guillermo deal toro, Hayao Miyazaki, like every artist online. The current pro-AI art team: Grimes, Stonetoss, you

great argument bro, did it work the last three times you copy pasted it in someone's inbox?

[starrbar]

Isn't it funny how when rad-antis do their cute little "PSA" thing, and their target tries to defend/explain themself, the ones doing the callouts take common, true, scientifically-backed statements and call them "red flags"?

I've seen so many posts going "Oh god guys, we'd better watch out for this dangerous person. 😨" and their evidence is just a screenshot of the "Fiction doesn't equal reality" bullet on their profile/Carrd, or a similar statement in a rebuttal against claims that they're a Literal Child Rapist™ because of their Pixiv bookmarks.

Like, "how DARE you say the most obvious response to the garbage I'm spewing that's been debunked time and time again?" Next, they'll be saying that citing doctors and professionals to back up their points is a "red flag". xD (I don't remember the exact wordings, but I 99% sure I've actually seen one of them say something like that.)

And okay... to play devil's advocate, this makes sense when you consider, for example, how phrases like "free speech" and "anti censorship" mean very different things coming from a Conservative vs. a Progressive, and those are also simple concepts that I think should be supported for their true meanings, but it still looks quite ridiculous when you start saying that phrases like "anti-harassment" and "fiction ≠ reality 1:1" are "proship dogwhistles", as if there is no context in which those statements have any merit.

(and then I started ranting)

❝ No, of course, only CHILD PREDATORS think that abusing and bullying people is wrong, because the ONLY time anybody ever gets bullied is when they've done something to DESERVE it, right?? There are no people on this earth who hurt innocents. Justice is always served. Therefore, "anti-harassment" is a pro-abuser stance! ❞ /s

❝ And obviously "fiction ≠ reality" is always code for "I just really like Stonetoss comics and drawing porn of child actors, but those are just pictures, so they don't mean anything!" It's definitely not like many people who make the former statement would immediately recoil in disgust and block anyone who uses it that way. Nah, we're all just secret predators who formed a club where we worship sexual abuse and bigotry. ❞ /sss

See, that, up there, is why I've started specifically referring to "radical antis" because they ACTUALLY embody these extreme stances, and they have repeatedly blown my mind with how exaggerated they can be, but they're 100% serious.

If you're an anti and the above obnoxious strawman doesn't apply to you, you may very well be just fine. But I'm really just tired of essentialist dickheads spear-heading one harassment campaign after another in the name of "reducing harm", and sadly those people take your genuine beliefs and warp them to create those situations.

I'm sorry you have to be associated with them tbh! /gen

I genuinely don't know how things ended up like this, but unfortunately there are people with genuine, valid concerns about fiction's affect on reality who aren't being taken seriously because a bunch of abusers take those concerns and mangle them until they're unrecognizable, probably on purpose so they can justify torturing other people for fun.

Sad day for survivors all across the board, huh? :/

[186-3]

Hey, you're that moron that pretends anyone would fall for stonetoss's trash haha. The world is truly doomed with morons that think its so easy for alleged leftists to become straight up neo Nazis. You're not immune to propaganda and all, but infantilizing people and forgetting the human element is fucking cringe

as i said, pretty clearly, in my post, it's not just stonetoss

there are a lot of alt-right people who are taking anti-israel stances right now and getting a lot of positive attention from the left

heck, i got a lot of replies to that post from people who don't know what stonetoss is and said that they would have had a positive perception of the comic if they had seen those strips in isolation

and when you start admitting that hey maybe stonetoss has a point, you may mot stop at the strips targeting israel

you may think that the ones saying that jews are xenophonic has a point also

[warcrimesimulator]

the "pitbulls eat toddlers" meme is soooo unfunny bro. also these anti-pitbull memes in general originate in far-right circles and have originally racist intentions (like it's not JUST about the dogs, it's about the fact that it's a dog breed associated with black people), and people will be so willingly dense about this and act like you're pulling this statement out of your ass, but there's literally a fucking stonetoss comic of exactly what it is i'm talking about (which i won't post for obvious reasons but you can search for it and probably find it easily) 🥴

[nitrosplicer]

For context, the op referred to a stone toss comic as a “good comic example” which isn’t true- this is a bad cartoon because the scenario implicated here is working from a xenophobic assumption. (and also when is the last time anyone was id’d at the movies??). Stonetoss is using a hyperbolic example to spread distrust of immigrants.

Whereas when Haus of Decline drew her comic, she had no way of knowing in advance that a conservative business would actually try to sell “anti woke water.” The words serve a rhetorical purpose: in the first panel, the child notices they aren’t selling any lemonade, then writes marketing copy to denote “anti-woke”lemonade, then a loudmouth person in a suit uses language to denote that this hollow marketing copy worked on him, then the child explains that they feel guilty about it, but still reach out to take the money. Since the text ADDS meaning beyond the visual, it is rhetorically effective. (also this is a poor example of a cartoon with text blocks- these are single sentences.) the proof is in the pudding: this comic is effective because it was recognized as parodying the political situation we see here, and so the criticism seems based in sour grapes.

regardless, if you critique someone’s work in a needlessly insulting manner, comparing their work to a xenophobic nazi, you should expect pushback. and in no way do you “gotta hand it to em” about a Nazi cartoonist.

[sodapop000]

Considering stonetoss is a literal nazi producing propaganda comics that are usually not even slightly subtle, it's not farfetched at all that he'd try to make antisemitism more palletable to a wider audience and draw in new people to his ideology

Yknow, I agree with you now, upon further thought. At first I was thinking that it wouldn't make sense for an anti-Palestine person to spread pro-Palestine messages in hopes of gaining antisemites-- especially since I get the impression stonetoss doesn't otherwise care for making his opinions "more palatable"-- but then I figured that it probably would make sense for an antisemite, who doesn't give a shit about Palestine one way or the other, to take advantage of any bit of bad PR against Israel to gain people with a common enemy.

[tylerthegerm]

The ask I just sent to stonetoss <3

[dikleyt]

Just as an aside…a post of yours from summer criticizing tankies is a comic made by stonetoss, who is an honest to god nazi. Might wanna take that one down

I did a quick Google search for the guy and you're right. Done, thanks.