#anti senya

[alakirist]

Well, I was told to scroll past which is a sure way to get me very curious, so of course, I read it xD.

I see what you’re getting at, and I think this was their intention, that both Arcann and Vaylin were broken in their own way, but they just failed to execute it. You say yourself that there should’ve been options to not use Vaylin’s conditioning, but the lack of those options means that the entire point of the story is lost, in my opinion at least. The tragedy of “a person being broken beyond any help” does not work if nothing of substance was even tried. The Outlander can’t refuse to use her conditioning, can’t show any sympathy over Nathema. Arcann never apologizes for betraying her, and neither does Senya. There were no good attempts, if there were and those didn’t work either than this would’ve been made sense and have been actually tragic.

Vaylin and Senya

Vaylin hating Senya should not have been something that should’ve used as a proof that she’s irredeemable and beyond help, and I think the writers intended for it to be so, unfortunately. Senya get her away to be tortured for years while promising that it would help her while Vaylin was a little child, that must sting horribly. It’s something some people would never able to forgive, it’s not even comparable with any irl forms of abuse considering the force’s involved, and while Senya did come to regret it but by that point Vaylin was not only abused, but her brain was tampered with both chemicals and force powers by that point, she was a broken person who was left in a nightmarish cage and forced to become a monster.

Now, of course, wanting to kill her is going overboard, but I don’t think hating Senya or wanting nothing to with her is. I hope that when they bring Vaylin back as Syl, she will have her own story focused around Satele and their newly formed relationship. Senya and Arcann are dead for some people, so the best way to include them for those that are alive would be a couple of interactions where Vaylin let’s go of her hatred and just says that she wants to live a life without them because she can’t get past them hurting her. It would be a very mature and bittersweet conclusion to their arc. And of course this would mean that for people for whom they’re dead they can still enjoy a full arc with Vaylin rather than it being severely trimmed down because you killed relevant characters two years ago.

2. Arcann, Vaylin, and glee

I see a lot of people say that Arcann didn’t show any pleasure in committing atrocities while Vaylin did, and I don’t think it’s fair. This is not the only variable in who deserves redemption arc or any sympathy at all, and not all of them get discussed.

First of all, Arcann did actually show glee. While I agree it was overall less than Vaylin but it’s still very much there. Just look at his Asylum fight. He says “You will hang on my wall for eternity”, after he kills HK he enthusiastically says “I can’t wait to kill all you friends”, at the start of the chapter he brags about killing scions because they are “blinded by faith and prophecies” while he makes hard choices and forges his own path, all while standing on a pile of scion corpses. He also says Mandalorians kamikaze-zing themselves is amusing. It may not be as much as Vaylin but to say that he takes no pleasure in his villainy is incorrect. Could they write this differently? Absolutely, they could portray Arcann as someone who tries to be a semi decent ruler who despite his tyranny, is not a maniacal mass murdered. They could’ve Mande Vaylin be the one who commits crimes, either pushing Arcann to commit them or going rogue and committing them herself. But they didn’t, and I don’t want to let bad writing slide just because the non-conveyed intent probably had more sense than the presentation. The presentation is what we god.

Secondly, there is body count. Now, of course both Arcann and Vaylin are responsible for countless of people’s deaths, and it would be silly to say one is more deserving of redemption because one of them has a bit more zeros on their number, but it is important to note that Arcann commits greater atrocities, they are just always off-screen. Vaylin kills three knights because she doesn’t like odd numbers? Arcann makes them all fight each other to death until one half kills the other(!!!). Vaylin bombs Voss? Arcann bombs five planets but we never see the process nor are those planets the players are familiar with in some way. Vaylin kills a comp? Well, so does Arcann, but he conveniently got a resurrection chapter just before the choice to redeem Arcann dropped(I know it’s easier to bring back a droid than a person of flesh and blood without force, but I’m willing to bet there was some sentiment of ‘people won’t hold HK against Arcann when it comes to Voss, so you know, now would be a good time to give him a resurrection plot’). Also, Arcann commits actual definable genocide as he exterminates a religious order, which are included in the Wikipedia definition just like ethical and racial groups. Vaylin does not, all she cares about is killing specific people. Yeah she kills people Arcann tells her to kill, including the scions and the 5 bombed planets, but she wouldn’t have done without Arcann’s command, so most of the responsibility hinges on him. However, this isn’t what I believe to be a pivotal matter in comparing the two. All the body count stuff does is just make me question whether Arcann deserves any redemption or forgiveness at all. I believe that a certain point the person has crossed a moral horizon where their ability to change doesn’t matter, they should die either way to deliver retribution to countless people they harmed in their rampage. Onto the next one.

There is a matter of diminished responsibility. I don’t know much about it beyond a quick Wikipedia skim, so sorry if I’m making mistakes, but it seems like something that is used in courts to lessen the criminal’s sentence if there were strong mitigating circumstances as they were not completely in their mind. Vaylin, I believe, qualifies. It doesn’t help that the purpose and effect of many of the torture scenes isn’t clear and is just thrown there for edge, we know quite a bit. She had chemical implants installed in her brain, was forced to spend years on a planet that drives force sensitives to madness and hollows them out as people(just look at Lana’s reaction or what) became of Nathema zealots after prolonged exposure. She is also shown to have been suggested to rituals which in the trailer shown to forcefully have made her eyes go yellow. It seems to go beyond just abuse and torture, it’s actual brainwashing. She is never directly mindcontrolled in her twisted state, but the reason she ended up in this state was due to a uniquely mortifying experience that most Star Wars characters and literally not a single person irl can grasp. I think that makes jer legible for diminished responsibility.

Arcann doesn’t have that. I will say that I know many people say that comparing abuse is bad but in this case, I don’t think so. It would be bad if Arcann and Vaylin were not massive war criminals and this whole abuse discussion wasn’t central to how sympathetic or deserving of forgiveness at all they are. Arcann is never shown to have been victim of forceful rituals, his mind was never tempered with and while he did have harsh physical training with knights, Valkorion, but Valkorion never twisted him the same way he did Vaylin. The main source of Arcann’s rage is shown to be his father’s detachment or neglect, which is kinda the exact opposite of what he did with Vaylin. He took interest in Vaylin because she showed power, because she showed potential that he didn’t see in the boys. His treatment didn’t go behind being the victim of dismissal or neglect of a clever abuser, but that doesn’t put him on the same level as Vaylin or at least it shouldn’t. The force seemed to reinforce his inner evil, but it was never enforced upon him. Like Dooku, Maul, Anakin, many others, he was nudged towards dark side by a person who was pure evil, but he never has his choices or freedom taken away from him the way Vaylin.

Their cases not comparable as it this point I call bullshit of the narrative of ‘Vaylin being troubled from the start’(btw Senya says the boys were aggressive in one of the dialogues as well, so they weren’t perfect flowers either). I don’t see how a person that became evil of his own volition with a ‘push’ from outside forces is somehow better and more sympathetic or deserving of redemption than someone who was literally drowned forcefully in the sea of darkness, if we’re talking metaphorically.

but maybe their message is “it doesn’t matter how many crimes you’ve committed, what truly makes a person redeemable is that they can and want to change”? Perhaps, but they messed that up too.

3. Arcann’s ‘redemption arc’

Or to call it like it is, a brainwashing arc. Saying he chose to make amends is not too different from saying that the Imperial Agent choose to be a loyal servant of the Republic that hides info from their own organization. Okay, not THAT bad, but running up. He made no choice to become better, at all.

One thing he unquestionably chose to do was to save Senya. Does this show that he’s somehow capable of change? Not really. I guess you could say it’s similar to Vader saving Luke in the iconic ROTJ moment, but Vader’s redemption is just getting him a few peaceful moments with his son who forgives him before Vader dies. No one is forced to deal with Vader roaming around freely or not serving any punishment, this redemption arc is very much between Vader and Luke. If Vader actually did survive and got the Arcann treatment, I’d be very quick to call Luke a selfish asshole who puts one family member above the wounds that were inflicted on the entire galaxy.

So what about Arcann? He never hated Senya, him saving her was in character for who he was in KOTFE. He never hated his mother, he never openly defended her near Vaylin either, but he was far less enthusiastic about killing her as you said yourself. He even nudged Vaylin to remember some of the good times they spent with her in chapter 13, a failed attempt but it was still there. I don’t think he would’ve killed Senya even if she lied at his feet, defeated, at least not without enough hesitation to let her slip away. He felt all that while still bombing planets, bragging about genocide, hanging off the walls, and his carbonate collection. Both of those were path of his character. So yeah, him saving Senya after she mourns his loss and pouted out her heart is natural development and does not contradict anything we see from him before.

The ONLY case where he shows any remorse if he goes through a shady Voss ritual which ‘cleansed his rage’ and ‘washes away the hate’(it’s even in the dialogue). What happens if you kill Arcann’s mom? Well, he doesn’t t change at all, he remains the power hungry dictator with the only change is that he accepted the love for his mother and wants to avenge her. There is no learned lessons, there is no desire to fix mistakes. He could’ve been trying to become a better ruler and fix the mess his family created without wanting to ally with the Outlander. He doesn’t do any of that. To be fair, I once tried to look at Dark Arcann scenes with this particular interpretation in mind(that he learned some sort of lesson and wants to change, just without siding with the person who killed Senya) and there is nothing in the game to contradict is, so I will say it’s a viable headcanon, but it’s still headcanon. All we know for sure if that he is largely the KOTFE Arcann. I honestly really love the short non redemption arc in KOTET they give him if you choose to kill him, it shows that not everyone who can be redeemed should. And every time I think about how he bragged about being the master of his own fate, the more poetic it becomes that his fate was to have his execution broadcast for the whole galaxy to watch, the justice for countless people he harmed while he dies on his knees and has completely failed all of his goals.

His regret and desire to change comes from being subjected to a force ritual. There couldn’t have been many days passing between KOTET 1 and 6(since they all follow directly from one another as a plot thread), so it’s not like he had some long time to reflect. Even if he did, this being shown off-screen is unsatisfying and unreliastic. When he comes back, he is an entirely different person. He doesn’t care for power anymore, he is very kind and compassionate, apologetic, and shows zero signs of rage. He never struggles with it either, all of his words about it are superficial. he says he “fears that he becomes his old self” but we never see him lapse into the person he was, even for a moment, the show don’t tell principle is completely messed up here.

He just undergoes a complete 180 switch and no one in the Alliance says a word besides some very mild comments from Lana and Theron. Not Koth? Not Aric? Not the Star fortress companions that had to endure mini Death Stars on top of their home worlds? It’s ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that Arcann never ever shows remorse for anything but killing Thexan unless he’s actively brainwashed by Voss. And yeah, similar rituals were performed to some PCs in Vanilla, but they never forced them to have a complete personality switch. They served to cure actual tangible force diseases like Inquisitor’s mind being cleared of force ghosts. They never cured the entire personality and made people into completely different people. I find it very ironic that in KOTET trailer, they show force rituals being done on Vaylin as something that makes her turn evil and to the darkness. The do exact same thing with Arcann. We don’t even know if he was willing to do it, he was unconscious and Senya warns us that he will turn against us all if the ritual doesn’t happen. Vaylin never has anything like this done on her, the Holocron only frees her from direct mind control and Jarak procedure frees her from the command phrase, there is nothing that’s done to undo the force rituals or the damage that was done to her mind, it’s simply not attempted.

TLDR: Arcann’s actions and character after dies ex ritual is meaningless, he might as well be some Voss spirit they summoned to possess him.

4. Conclusion

As to whether the question of “does Vaylin deserve a second chance?”, I’m honestly not sure. I’m torn between lessening her sentence because of the diminished responsibility and sending her in a psychiatric ward. She definitely commited enough atrocities and I can’t say killing her is evil, even if she supposedly changes her way. 95% of my character killed Senya and Arcann, whether LS or DS, and they would do the same to Vaylin because they’re not interested in buddying up with chaotic mass murderers.

But Vaylin certainly deserved better treatment from the game and is imo by far the most sympathetic member of the family. If they want her to be a tragic person that cannot be saved, then show other people making attempts. Show Senya saying the words she did in Echoes while Vaylin is still alive, show Arcann apologizing and admitting that he mistreated her, too, show the Outlander extend genuine sympathy to her instead of using her conditioning. Without it, the story falls apart, and in this case, it was not a good story

Unpopular opinion

But before we start, some warnings are on the way.

Don’t waste your time on this post if you are a big fan of Vaylin. Just scroll.

I’m not kidding. I know there are a lot of people who wants to have a redemption arc for Vaylin, and this post is more likely gonna make these people angry at me, and none of us want this, so just scroll. 

It’s not Vaylin hate post though. I like her, and I don’t want to spread hate any more than there are already. If anything, Vaylin deserves redemption no less than Arcann or anyone else. Yet I have some “but” about it, and this is there you better scroll.

If anything, you are free to hate and unfollow me. Just do not misunderstand me. That’s the only thing I ask.

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[rubywolf0201]

Remember back when BUCCHIGIRI?! was airing, there were numerous hate towards Arajin and to some extent Matakara so much to the point that ppl wished death on a teen who is annoying or in the case of Matakara, blamed him for being manipulated by an evil force that has the upper hand on him and said evil force gaslight him by using his childhood trauma if he doesn’t follow his order?

I remember.

[esctrl]

S C A N N I N G….

L O A D I N G  I N F O R M A T I O N..…. Senya Kane, ( 28 ), confirmed. Our records indicate that you now have the ability to replicate powers and would like to work as an assistant trainer. your chip identification tone will be set to happier than ever by billie eilish. welcome to the hub.

BASICS

FULL NAME: visenya jade kane

NICKNAME(S): senya, sen

BIRTHDATE + AGE: june 15th, 2000 + 28

GENDER: female

PRONOUNS: she / her

ORIENTATION: pansexual / panromantic

SPECIES: changed

OCCUPATION: assistant trainer

BIRTHPLACE: arizona, nevada

FAMILY: aiden kane — twin brother ( the hub ); raina kane — mother ( deceased ); don kane — father ( whereabouts unkown )

LANGUAGES: english, russian, spanish

APPEARANCE

FACE CLAIM: florence pugh

EYE COLOR: green

HAIR: blonde

HEIGHT: 5′4″

TATTOOS: whenever senya acquires a new ability she gets a small tattoo representing it ( there are a lot )

SCARS / BIRTH MARKS: lots of scars

PERSONALITY

ZODIAC: gemini

MBTI: estp / esfp

ENNEGRAM: 7w8

ALIGNMENT: chaotic neutral

TEMPERAMENT: sanguine 

ARCHETYPE: entrepreneur

ELEMENT: fire

TRAITS: assertive, sarcastic, opinionated

ASSOCIATED CHARACTERS: peppa madrigal ( encanto ), malia tate / hale ( teen wolf ), yang xiao long ( rwby ), max mayfield ( stranger things ), rhanerya targaryen ( house of the dragon )

AESTHETIC: chipped nail polish, iced coffee, deflective sarcastic humor, ripped jeans, baggy crop tops, swears like a sailor, punch now - ask questions later, beg forgiveness > ask permission

BIOGRAPHY

tw: shitty fathers, bigotry, violence, death

senya's father don was a very bigoted man who seemed to be anti-everything so of course after the cataclysm of 2023, he became very bigoted against changed people. their mother was skeptical but also far more accepting. when aiden's power of pyrokinesis manifested after a heated argument with their dad, their mom was the one who convinced don not to try and kill aiden on the spot. however, don took to berating, antagonizing, or ignoring, aiden and acted similarly toward senya when she stood up for him or took his side.

at some point during a fight between aiden and their dad, senya touched aiden's hand as his fists became engulfed in flames but she didn't get burned. the interaction was enough to stop the fight temporarily as no one was quite sure what to make of it. but of course within days the two were at it again. this time senya got dragged into it, making her angry.

according to aiden, flames appeared in her eyes and then shot from her hands, narrowly missing her father. enraged, her father lunged but her mother intervened. their father shoved their mother out of the way and came at senya full force. aiden stepped in front of her.

no one knows for sure how exactly the twins' mother died from this ordeal. their father claims one if not both of them killed her while the twins are adamant that their mother fatally hit her head when their father shoved her. the end result was that the only thing keeping their father from trying to kill them was gone. fearing for their lives, the twins ran, and they kept running until they found the hub.

FUN FACTS

raina took senya and aiden to get all of their vaccines growing up in secret because don was against them. the twins also got the 2M2X3I in secret for this reason.

took kickboxing and ballet from a young age.

she was a public relations major in college.

she has 13 piercings in each ear because her father once told her if she pierced any other body part he would rip it out. she's sure he would kill her if he saw her tattoos.

in order for senya to gain a power she just has to touch the person who has it. one of the only powers she hasn't been able to add to her collection is pain immunity because her boss ramona won't let her. senya is not quite sure how ramona is able to keep her from obtaining the ability since a person's willingness to pass their power doesn't affect her ability to obtain it.

her first acquired power was pyrokinesis. she didn't realize she had power replication, she thought she'd just developed the same ability her brother had. she didn't find out she had power replication until she reached the hub.

she has found that there are certain powers she can't seem to use in their entirety. for example: when it comes to shapeshifting the most she can do is change her hair ( color and length ). when it comes to healing she cannot heal herself and can only heal a certain severity of wounds on others.

( will add to this as time goes on )

[gamecrag]

One of the key features of SmileGate's Epic Seven is the huge roster of heroes and freedom you get when it comes to building these heroes. 18 different sets exist in the game and many of them can be used alongside others. Finding the right build is a constant struggle in this game as gear-gapping makes up most of the difference between a new player and end-game player. Most heroes are quite easy to build. Just slap a decent speed/crit set on them and they'll have the desired stats for your PvE needs. But some heroes are specifically tailored for PvP and require significant investment to work well. This list will focus on the toughest and most difficult heroes to build in Epic Seven. If you have any of these heroes above 130k CP, then you know you've done a great job with the build! 10) Rem A well-built Rem can be an absolute nightmare to fight against. High damage and survivability help ensure she is usually the last one standing and she is more than capable of taking on 2 or 3 enemies at a time. This comes at the expense of speed. You don't want to build your Rem with any speed. Build her as your usual DPS hero but replace the speed set with a counter set, and replace speed boots with attack% or HP% main stats. You'll want to aim for 4k attack, 100% crit chance, and 270% crit damage. After this, you can sacrifice bulk for more damage, or go the bulky route. Something like 20k hp and 1.2k defence with the above offensive stats would be pretty nice. This is a lot easier said than done though as it'll mean you need to craft/enhance items you would usually ignore. 9) Edward Elric Ed is up there with the most fun units to use in the entire game. I have mine built on lifesteal set for anti-cleave purposes. I have faced counter Ed, as well as even injury Ed. Most people build him on speed set though with 220+ speed. Try to aim for 2k attack, 20k HP, 1k defense, 100% crit chance, 250% crit damage. I know that looks easy but it requires a lot of substats you don't usually aim to get, such as HP% and crit chance/damage on the same item. Ed really needs some good stats otherwise he won't do too much. However he is well worth investing in, as he makes defense teams with Peira/Ran obsolete. 8) Lone Crescent Bellona Lone Crescent Bellona is the most recently released hero on this list, and one that demands a lot of stats. She essentially needs a lot of attack and crit damage. However, how many of us have hoarded gear with crit damage and attack, but no crit chance? Many of us have been forced to empty our gold reserves and crafting materials to get her to a decent level. In terms of the set to be used, I have seen many players opt for speed or destruction sets. She does need some speed, at least 200+ on these sets. I've gone for a lifesteal build instead as I'll be using her against Senya, Choux, and other anti-crit heroes (as LC Bellona always crits). She also needs bulk alongside her offensive stats otherwise she'll be killed before she even takes a turn. You'll need to spend a lot of time and resources to get Lone Crescent Bellona the stats she needs. 7) Sylvan Sage Vivian One of the most rewarding heroes to build in the entire game. Sylvan Sage Vivian is a high DPS bruiser hero who can be unkillable with the right build. 230 speed, 15k HP, 4k attack and 250% crit damage (with 100% crit chance of course) alongside the Chatty artifact will make her exceptionally powerful against all but heroes who counter her. Although she will need a hero with her for this. You can also build her with lifesteal for more self-sustain at the cost of speed. This depends on your playstyle. Either way, for her to work properly she needs a ton of stats and it can be really difficult to get the right amount. 6) Senya Senya is an incredibly strong hero who can control and destroy entire teams if not dealt with correctly. How she is built will depend on your playstyle.

Most players go for the 5k attack, 100% effectiveness build with plenty of bulk. Alongside some support heroes (such as Choux, Mediator Kawerick, and Destina), she can be a raid boss. Mine is built with 200 speed and 170% effect resistance. This is to brute force vs debuff heavy comps. It's hilarious watching the enemy try to dispel Senya's counter-attack stance in vain. Whatever way you decide to build Senya, you better be prepared to spend millions of gold enhancing the weirdest gear to fix her stat needs. 5) Archdemon's Shadow Not really worth building if you don't have the Fairy Tale for a Nightmare artifact. Archdemon's Shadow is a powerful 5-star hero who can seal enemy heroes to block their passives. Multiple varieties of builds are available to suit your gear/playstyle with many opting for the high attack, bulky, counter build. Relying on s2 procs is the aim of the game, which shouldn't be too hard if she's built well enough. Zero crit builds are fairly prevalent for control-based Archdemons. DPS variants with lots of crit damage and attack can be found alongside powerful support heroes to keep her alive. No effectiveness is needed as you can soulburn the seal for 100% chance if needed. 4) Lionheart Cermia If you have this hero unbuilt, you really need to make it a priority to get her ready for some PvP fun. Lionheart Cermia is an essential component of an aspiring PvP player's roster. You don't need much speed on her, as her s1 gives a speed buff. But you do need to make sure she survives until she gets a turn. This is what Proof of Valor is for. It's the perfect artifact for LHC. After you have PoV at level 30, try to get a Lifesteal set with 100% crit chance, 270% crit damage, 13k HP, 2k defense, and 190 speed. A speed or destruction set with similar stats can also work but you'll need an artifact like Sigurd Scythe to heal. No doubt you'll be scratching your head for a while after looking at these stats requirements but they are possible. 3) Zio If you're at the end-game stage, Zio might be OK for you to build to a decent level. If you're still in the early or mid game, Zio is out of the question for you. To reliably cut 300-speed heroes and take the first turn, Zio needs at least 250 speed. He has a base speed of just 106 so you'll need to get 144 from items. Speed boots with speed set will bring him up to 177. So you'll need 73 more speed from the 5 other items (or an average of 14.6 per item). Thankfully he only needs 50% crit chance due to his s3 buff but even then, you need at least 270% crit damage and 3.5k attack. In Addition, some HP and defense would be nice to up his survivability. With all that being said; PvP becomes easy mode once you have him built. He cuts through fast arena defenses like a knife through butter. And first picking Zio in RTA guarantees you control the rest of the draft. 2) Choux Aptly named the "Rat", Choux is up there with the most hated Epic Seven heroes to fight against. There's nothing quite like watching her tank a dozen hits before one-shotting your DPS heroes. Very fun. To get her to that level of power, you need some super high gear score items. 25k HP, 1.4k defense, 100% crit chance, 270% crit damage - all on counter set. These are the minimum requirements for a good Choux. Once you have her built this way, you can plant her firmly into your defense team and watch your defensive win rates go up. 1) Aria Aria's build depends on your available gear and the roster of heroes you have built. A minimum of 100% crit chance and 250% crit damage is required. You can go for the more aggressive route with 230+ speed, 1.9k defense, and 13k hp. Or there is the slower version with Lifesteal set, less speed but more defense/HP as well as at least 100% effect resistance. This is a good option if you have lots of cleansers and damage mitigation heroes in your roster.

Regardless of which build you pick, Aria requires the highest gear score pieces in your armory and even then, she might not be built optimally. Aria is super stat hungry and even the highest-ranked players struggle to build her. This makes her the most difficult hero to build in Epic Seven.

[alakirist]

I agree with this, I never liked Arcann’s redemption in the first place and certainly don’t want to see another version of that. Freedom and breaking free of the pain are crucial to Vaylin’s story. As much as a part of me wants her to become a companion and romance one day, I think the best conclusion for her is to become an independent character who sometimes works with the PC but has a path of her own, at least for now.

I think her relationship with Satele has a lot of potential as Satele has the both force powers and mental fortitude to handle Vaylin’s shit while having enough compassion and understanding to try and help her as a person. She hasn’t hurt Vaylin before and she has more of a chance at establishing human connection with her, just like I think SCORPIO had that chance. She can help Vaylin heal and then figure path of her own, I think it would be cool for her to become an anti hero who is still ruthless but has principles and values she follows. For example, I can see her being very protective of abused children.

Also, while it would be nice to have unique interactions with Senya and Arcann for those characters that have them but I don’t want Vaylin to forgive or make up with them. Just let go of her anger and desire to kill them while still cutting them out of their life because they hurt her in the past. I think it would be a realistic and bittersweet conclusion for their story and allow her have her separate storyline.

Vaylin and Goals

I know a lot of people want a Vaylin redemption story.

The argument is that Vaylin is at least as deserving of redemption as Arcann, if not more so, taking her childhood into account.

I imagine most of you know that story.

For me... i don't so much want to see Vaylin redeemed, per se.

I want to see a Vaylin who isn't in pain.

Because everything she does in KOTFE and KOTET and Echoes of Oblivion seems to have an undercurrent of pain attached to it. Pain and desperation.

I just... want to see who she'd be if she was free of that.

Would she be someone better? Someone who would cry in her mother's arms?

Would she be what Valkorion said she was? A monster who needed to be controlled?

Would she be someone who listened?

Who would she be?

Is this just me?

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[rainofaugustsith]

(honestly not trying to start debates or hear why people kept him or whatever, just a comment) So there apparently is some mission you can send the Zakuulan on this time, or send help with him, or I don't even know - but it always amazes me that so many people actually kept him. Like, more people seem to keep him than kept Koth. I don't get it and I don't think I ever will. Yeah, yeah, I know, he was tied to Senya but like, that does nothing for me, I hated her too. Not a commentary on anyone who ships him or loves him or Senya anything, it's just something I don't in any way understand. There are plenty of things I like in SWTOR that others likely don't understand, too.

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Look at this amazing art by @marlynata. Leita Naberrie attending her first imperial formal event as Darth Vader’s Daughter after leaving the rebels. She looks so pretty. The newly introduced Lady Vader is already causing quite the stir.

52 notes • Posted 2021-02-18 17:41:11 GMT

#4

An AU where Vaylin’s suffering on Nathema is loud in the Force, so much so that a younger powerful Jedi, doing something (maybe like research or something idk yet) on the far edge of the outer rim near to Nathema hears her and follows the sound. Finding the poor girl trapped and suffering, they can’t walk away and it doesn’t matter who she is. She needs help. So they rescue her and carry Vaylin to Tython where she is able to heal and recover in peace surrounded by the Force and people who care and help her find herself past what her father taught her. When Senya shows up to rescue Vaylin. She’s not there and Valkorian is furious that the perfect weapon he was trying to create is missing. But when the Invasion happens later, it all gets messed up and nothing goes according to his plan because when Thexan and Arcann face a line of Jedi, there standing with the others, saber drawn. Strong, confident, and free is their sister. 

58 notes • Posted 2021-01-07 23:31:06 GMT

#3

Because I am seeing this stupid idea pop up again, let me be very clear. MANDALORIANS ARE NOT EXCLUSIVLY HUMAN!!!!!!!! 

They can be human, but they have also been Wookie, Mirialan, Zabrak, Twi’lek and every other race of the galaxy. To be Mandalorian does not mean to be born on Manda’yaim or in Basic, the planet Mandalore. Even the exclusively human community of the planet as seen in clone wars was a fairly recent invention occurring a within the few hundred years prior to the clone wars as anti-alien sentiment pushed out those Mandalorians (even those born on Manda’yaim) who were not human. There are a few theories on where that came from and why it developed/was eventually effective. 

What is known is that the original Mandalorians were the Taungs. A species that settled the planet of Manda’yaim under the leadership of Mandalore the First. This is where the people took their name. When they opened their culture to those they adopted from other species, they established themselves as a culture, creed and religion. ANYONE from ANY SPECIES who was adopted as a Mandalorian by a Mandalorian, who proves themselves and lived by their laws and traditions, specifically the resol’nare (six actions in Basic), WAS MANDALORIAN and their children, regardless of species of birth was MANDALORIAN BY BIRTH.

If you want to talk who is considered Mandalorian, at least know what the basic requirements are generally considered to be according to known Mandalorian lore and don’t make up stuff to justify the clone wars BS

90 notes • Posted 2021-01-14 16:43:03 GMT

#2

So if you play a female smuggler that marries Corso, and you take over Zakuul and rule as Empress, and you don’t romance anyone else and resume your romance with Corso as soon as you find him again, then technically... technically farm boy Corso Riggs can be Emperor Consort of the Zakuulan Empire (which at that point consists of most of the known galaxy) and I just find that idea to be really funny.

99 notes • Posted 2021-03-27 02:21:08 GMT

#1

I know a lot of people seem to imagine the Mandos as very distant from each other, a lot like american society is in regards to physical touch. But honestly, even among groups where removing their helmets under certain circumstances is allowed (you’re among your family, or you’re in camp, or not on duty, or whatever) this is still a people who spend a significant amount of time in their armor and a large portion of that time with their faces covered. I think that would lead to a very physically affection people. 

Like Mandos in a group always shoving each other lightly or slapping shoulders and backs when they’re heading out. Just grabbing the shoulder of someone nearby and using them to stabilize you as you adjust a boot, or taking naps, and falling asleep during transports leaning on whoever happens to be next to you. hugs and just lots of casual touch. It’s so easy and casual and there’s so much that it tends to bother imps or anyone who’s not used to being around mandalorians when they start traveling or spending time around them. 

372 notes • Posted 2021-02-06 01:02:28 GMT

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[mercurypilgrim]

Companion Meme - Beryon V’lante

Tagged by: @tearlessrain​, thanks! (I love doing these!)

Class: Jedi Sentinel

Weapons: Dual lightsabers, turquoise (white after the timeskip)

Recruitable by: All players

Late base game companion (for Republic players)

Expansion companion (for Imperial players or Republic players who did not do the Corellia planetary missions)

Selection Lines:

“Oh, it's you.”

*Aggressively* “What?”

“This had better be worth my time.”

“I'm here. What more do you want?”

“Copy. What’s the mission?”

Dismissal Lines:

“You're sending me away? ... Fine.”

(All indications are that this is not, in fact, fine)

“I have some training to catch up on, anyway.”

“If you're going to die, at least try and finish your mission before you do.”

“Yeah, yeah, see you on the ship.”

“If you drag me out here again after I walked all the way back to the kriffing ship, I’m gonna be mad.”

Battle Lines:

“Face me.”

“This will be quick.”

“You're in my way!”

“You're a brave one. Pity that means kriff all.”

“I'm in the mood for some excessive force.”

Exiting Battle:

“Finally.”

“Was that it?”

“At least try and beat my score.”

“Who looks at us and thinks ‘yeah, I think I can take these guys'?”

“It's over? Shame.”

KO’d/Low Health:

“I need a medic!”

“I... I can keep fighting!”

“Kolto, now!”

*Aggressively roaring* “I'll take all of you down with me!”

“No! I'm not done yet! I’m... I'm not...”

Resurrected:

“Ugh, my head.”

“Next time, throw me that kriffing kolto.”

“I need to train more. This is unacceptable.”

“I guess the Council was almost right when they said that one day, I would get myself killed.”

*Furious* “I'm gonna shove my lightsaber so far up their ass they'll be coughing plasma!”

Misc. Click Lines:

*Aggravated* “What?”

“Copy. I'm here.”

“Touch me, and I’ll take your damn hand off.”

“Love the sound of your own voice, don’t you?”

“Don’t you have anything better to do? Leave me alone.”

“Will you shut up? I’m trying to think.”

“Just because I can’t see you doesn’t mean I don’t know you’re staring at me.”

“*annoyed, under the breath growling*”

“Work isn’t done until we're dead, and we're not down yet.”

“Rest, we'll be fighting again soon.”

[Very rare]

(If the PC is a Jedi) “I suppose the Council wants to keep an eye on me. Tch. Typical.”

(If the PC is a Sith) “If I so much as sense a single thought of betrayal from you, Sith, I'll gut you.”

(If the PC is a Smuggler) “It must be nice to be free.”

(If the PC is a Trooper) “A soldier's work is never done, right trooper?”

Situational:

Balmorra: “This place... I would have fought the Imperials off myself if I could.”

Tython: “They usually try and keep me away from the younglings. Can’t imagine why.”

Nathema: “I can’t see. This place is a wound. We should do what we came for and leave.”

Odessen: “I don’t know about working with Sith, but this is impressive.”

Rishi: “If one more person thinks they can mug me, I’m going to beat them until apologies come out.”

Gifts:

Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon

Love:

“I… how did you know? … Thank you.”

Like:

“I’m not going to tell you where to spend your credits. Thanks.”

Everything else:

“Save your credits, possessions only weigh me down.”

Likes: Killing Sith, anti-Empire sentiment, choosing the aggressive option, being rude to authority, prioritising the mission

Dislikes: Putting profit before a mission, non-pragmatic mercy, kissing up, blind loyalty to the Jedi or Sith

Story

(story and romance under the cut because it got kinda long...)

For Republic players, you meet V’lante on Corellia where he has been deployed to push back the Imperial forces.

He is an optional companion and can be missed if you do not complete the planetary missions.

You get word that there is a particularly formidable Sith Lord assaulting a Republic base and are sent to deal with it.

When you get there, you find the Imperial forces already dead, and walk in to find a Miralukan Jedi executing the Sith.

He will be aggressive at first until you inform him that you’re working for the Republic, whereupon he will lower his weapons but remain standoffish. If you decide to criticise his execution of the Sith, he will react angrily and tell you that the Sith would have done worse than a clean death.

He will search the Sith’s holocom and finds the channel of a Republic commander, who he now suspects to be a traitor.

There is no option to let him go off alone, even if he expresses this sentiment, and he eventually acquiesces for you to join him.

The two of you will then need to breach the droid security of the base where the commander is taking refuge, and after fighting to the top of the occupied skyscraper, walk into a cutscene in which the Commander attempts to convince you that V’lante is unhinged and a rogue Jedi.

If you believe the Commander, V’lante will be furious. After a brief scuffle where he lunges for the Commander but you attempt to stop him, the Commander shoots him and then turns his blaster on you, revealing that he is not loyal to the Republic after all.

You must do the boss without a companion if you choose this route, and while the boss isn’t particularly tough, it is an added layer of difficulty.

If you believe V’lante and attack the Commander together, you have V’lante as a companion during the ensuing boss fight.

If you got V’lante shot because you believed the Commander, he will curse at you and inject himself with a kolto drip before turning his attention to the Commander.

He takes the Commander prisoner, which you may comment on. Rather than expressing any merciful sentiment, he instead informs you that he believes the SIS will be able to extract information better if the Commander is still alive.

He will accompany you back to the Republic base, where he will turn in the Commander. He will receive a holocall from Satele Shan who tells him that he is to take some time off from the war, as he has so far refused. She will not take no for an answer, and he eventually grudgingly agrees to some leave. When he hangs up the call, he abruptly informs you that he will be coming with you weather you like it or not. He has no intention of taking leave, and believes that he will find ways to fight the Empire as he travels with you.

You can recruit him by agreeing to his demands, but you can also refuse to take him on. If you do so, he will be angry but will storm off after a heated conversation. You will not see him again until you reach Odessen.

If you are an Imperial player, you will not meet V’lante on Corellia, as your first interaction with him will be as a recruitment mission once the base on Odessen is built. This mission is also available to Republic players who did not pick him up on Corellia.

Theron Shan comes to you with a potential recruit. The recruit is a Jedi Master that went rogue after the Republic capitulated to Zakuul and has been leading a one-man crusade against the Eternal Empire ever since. The mission is a straightforward one. You track and follow V’lante’s trail of destruction, eventually finding him fighting two Knights. He finishes his battle with them and executes them, after which your conversation starts. If you met him before he will remember you and react accordingly. If you previously angered him or are an Imperial, he will be aggressive and standoffish. If you were friendly to him, he will be much more open with you.

You can convince him to join the Alliance, after which he will become a permanent companion and participate in meetings. He will not get along with anyone except Theron and Senya, although he is grudgingly respectful of Lana.

When you meet Satele Shan on Odessen, she will comment on your recruitment of him. She will warn you that he is volatile and express sadness that she could not help him more. She thanks you for taking care of him.

Romance

V’lante is not romancable in the base game. If you flirt with him as a female, he will awkwardly rebuff you. If you do it again, he will tell you that you’re ‘not his type’ and make a crude hand gesture to imply that he is only attracted to men.

If you are male, he will flirt back but will refuse to take things further. He states that he does not make a habit of sleeping with squad mates. If you press him, he will get angry and storm off, ending the cutscene.

Players who recruit him during the expansion will have the option to enter a proper romance with him, however.

When flirted with by a male PC, he will initially treat it like banter, but if you let him know that you’re serious, he will become awkward and shy.

It will take some time for him to warm up to the idea of romance, but he will flirt back with you and eventually open up to you. He will be quite cautious and gruff in his affections, but he will try very hard to show you that he cares for you. He will bring you small, practical gifts, and you will finally get a smile out of him. He will show a sense of humour, and he will flirt with you without prompting.

Other NPCs, especially those in the inner circle, will express surprise at your relationship, and Koth will inform you that you have very strange taste.

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 "Spiky!!"

Vyria ran towards her brother, catching him in a rib-crushing hug. Most of the Alliance rejoiced upon Rio's return, save for his indifferent twin. He made up a story of fixing his ship on a primitive planet that he got stranded on. Luckily, he was well-liked enough by the people of the Alliance and it didn't take much to convince them. After the pleasantries were done, it was time for him to face his twin brother.

"Shouldn't have returned. I was looking for your replacement."

"How'd that go? Any candidates?" 

Rionnic fixed a death glare at his twin, then closed the door behind him with the Force while shutting down the surveillance systems in his office. He cleared his throat, holding back the cough he mysteriously got. "What happened to her?" he coldly inquired as a summary of the Jedi's absence.

"Doing better. She won't be a threat to anyone, I swear. Arcann is with her."

The Sith sighed wearily for having the reassurance in his brother's words destroyed by the last line. He was still resentful towards Arcann for having to spare him only because he related to Senya’s parental role. If it weren't for her, he would have driven his lightsaber through the former tyrant's heart. Without a doubt, the decision was highly controversial not just amongst the Alliance, but the whole galaxy. It wouldn’t take long until Senya found out about Vaylin.

But between managing the aftermath of the fleet's destruction on several planets and spending hopeless years searching for his wife and son, he simply did not have the energy to bicker with his twin. The Jedi noticed the shift in his brother's mood. 

"Are you alright? I can take over some work if you need a break." 

Even though a respite was needed, Rionnic simply couldn't afford that. After his visit to Copero, he was struggling to keep his rage inside after letting Theron slip from his grasp. Only a few of the Alliance knew about his treachery, and he decided to bring his twin up to speed. "There's an abandoned listening post we've recently discovered. You and Lana are coming with me to that obvious trap."

"Of course. I’ve missed springing traps with you."

 ------------------------------

Zakuul was still recovering from the war. She had never seen her planet in a state like this. Children running around stealing food from one another, droids overheating from overwork, but most bizarrely, a town crier bellowing anti-Alliance propaganda to a crowd of restless citizens.

"And it all started happening when the Outlander murdered our Emperor! The Alliance lied about helping us restore our home because they pocketed the wealth they plundered from us! Think about it. They made us look like fools!"

Vaylin had heard enough. Not that she disagreed completely, but she’d heard enough of it on the base that it was annoying to her. She immediately diverted their attention to her by igniting her crimson saberpike, commanding an intimidating presence. "Scamper!" as she slammed her foot to the ground, causing a little tremor with the Force. It effectively dispersed the crowd as they ran away panicking.

But not the brave announcer.

"You! Have you no loyalty to our late Empress?! Your duty as a Horizon Guard--"

"Shut up. You have nothing better to do. Depending on others to help you is weak. If you love Zakuul so much, then fix it! Not by creating dissent and risking another war," as she grabbed the collar of the man's outfit, speaking through the Guard helmet shrouding her identity. "That would only harm your beloved planet even more. Now get to work."

She couldn't believe those words came out of her mouth. Fortunately, Arcann wasn't there to hear it. But the worst part was that she started to believe in those principles and even acted on them, helping the people and keeping order in her vicinity.

It wasn't that bad after all.

She returned to the penthouse with art supplies and some basic necessities. It has been weeks since she stayed at her new home, and it was getting dull being alone with not much to do. Everytime she turned on the news broadcast, she was hoping to see dear Outlander but he only appeared once during the brief announcement of his return. The memories of their embraces were still vivid in her mind, causing her to smile sheepishly by herself.

After watering her little garden on the balcony, she changed into more comfortable apparel and started painting. A part of her felt that this idyllic and simple way of life wasn't who she was meant to be. She had the power to conquer this galaxy if she wanted to. But this felt preferable, and she saw no point in letting it go. 

But she couldn't shake off this feeling of progressing dread. Being here on Arcann's word alone seemed like a disaster waiting to happen. What happened yesterday resurfaced in her thoughts. Mother was on Zakuul, but fortunately, she somehow failed to detect Vaylin’s energy. She simply couldn’t afford more close calls like that. Socially distancing from Rio be damned, she needed his help.

After a long call queue into reaching the Alliance base, she finally got through the line. It was a gamble as Senya could potentially answer it. Luckily Koth was on the receiving end, looking worn out. “Another Horizon Guard? What do you want?”

His tone wasn’t appreciated but alas, she could do nothing lest it blew her disguise. With a scoff, she requested the Outlander, which Koth scoffed at in return, telling her she couldn't just call the Ambassador without an appointment. This angered her; both hands clenched all that rage inside the best she could. 

“I need to speak to him. It’s urgent! Just tell him that…”

She stopped for a moment, trying to think of what could identify her to Riornivo but still shroud her identity. Koth folded his arms with a raised eyebrow.

“Tell him the flower crown has an urgent matter to discuss.”

The sentence perplexed the former Zakuulan Officer, but rather than acting on his curiosity, he was too tired to continue this desk job. Vaylin’s call was the last he served for the day, and he later dutifully conveyed her message to Riornivo. The Jedi managed to act indifferent long enough until he could find some time to be completely isolated.  

“Vaylin?”

���Rio. I thought you forgot about me.”

His apologetic smile accentuated the lack of rest on his face. “I’m sorry, I’ve been busier than I’d anticipated. How can I help you?”

“I... I can’t say it over holo. Could you come over?”

Despite his twin brother telling him to prepare for their destination tomorrow, he knew that whatever Vaylin had to say was just as important. Hopefully this won’t take long so he could make it back to Odessen in time.

It was with great hesitation that he pushed the bell of the penthouse. Vaylin quickly answered the door to a hooded Rio, mouth slightly agape upon seeing her. "Come, before they see us."

Vaylin was unusually radiant that night, as if she curated that look specifically for him. The fact that they were alone amplified his nervousness through the roof. Her perfume, her apparel, and the air of allure around them--he immediately defaulted to repeating the Jedi code in his mind. The former Empress noticed how the Jedi avoided gazing at her. She dared herself to pull his hood down,  startling him. 

"You look… beat. Tough day at work?"

He gulped down his nerves. "M-more or less. How are you doing?"

Without answering, she quickly went to the bar to fetch warm cups of tea to ease his nerves. "Thank you. You shouldn't have..."

His heart was all fluttery at the way she was treating him, even this bare minimum. She then sat in front of him, mulling over her words. "Rio… remember what you told me on that shuttle? About Force Bonds?"

The topic totally shifted the atmosphere for him, but he was still determined to help. "Yes? Did something happen?"

"Mother was here but she failed to sense me. I wouldn't know how to restrain myself if we met someday, unless the bond is gone so she can't find me. Or either of us dies. That would break it."

Rio's face fell upon being presented with an impossible dilemma. How should he proceed without angering her? Truthfully, he only told Vaylin about severing Force Bonds as an effort to calm her. Despite the vast research he'd studied back in the Order, there weren't a lot of ways to sever Bonds. He read about Master Zez Kai-Ell's theory of turning away from the Force, and that was another obstacle on its own. 

"Vaylin… it will be a difficult undertaking. Please, um… don't be angry? You probably won't like what I have to say," he said meekly, looking like a weakened prey.

"...What?"

"Your bond is stronger because of the blood relation, as I am with my twin. It's just… there's not been a way to break it. I tried."

"No, there's only one way to break it."

"I'm very sorry, but I cannot let you harm your Mother. I won't ever forgive myself..." as he shifted his tone to a more assertive one. There was a reason behind his risky words--one of his own Mother. He was still haunted by the failure of saving his own, although it was not his fault. The relief he felt when Rionnic spared Senya was tremendous, and now he would do his best to keep her safe.

Even from Vaylin.

"She's not even your Mother. What goes between us is none of your business."

The former Empress promptly got up, frustrated at how unhelpful Rio has been. However, her stomping away was stopped by his arm as he dared to bring his body closer to hers. Hoping that she'd see reason. 

"Please, Vaylin. Give me more time. It's better to-"

"Shut up! I don't want to hear it. You claim to care about me, but you lied about this. You lied to me!"

"I want to help you! I care about you--I really do. Just… give me time. I will find a way. You have to trust me."

"You just lied to me."

He let out the heaviest sigh, his mind replaying the moment his Mother died in his arms. He tried to sweep away the memory--his hand clutching his temple, that Jedi code mental block holding no power over this traumatic recalling. The environment including the woman next to him blurred away. Then he crouched down, burying his head between his knees, breathing erratically, while his late Mother's last words echoed in the chambers of his mind. He could hear another voice calling out to him, but where?

"Rio!"

The world steadily stopped twisting, forming a beautiful woman in front of him. She wiped away his sweat, eyebrow raising while catching him from stumbling to the floor. The look on his face as he tried hard to stop panting was all too familiar to her. "Sorry… I.. wouldn't happen again-" 

"This is personal to you, isn't it?" she asked calmly.

"I didn't mean to do that. I'm sorry you had to see that…"

"Stop it. Why are you always apologizing for everything? Just shut up." 

She dragged his head onto her collarbone, stroking his hair to his neck. This did the exact opposite of calming him down. So quickly the temperature rose, the fragrance of her perfume through his nostrils flaring up his nerves, and the skin to skin contact… He needed this to stop before something unsavory happened.

“Vaylin…”

No answer, just more patting.

“I-I have to go…”

“Then leave.”

She hadn’t let go, but he gathered enough stability to gently pull out of her embrace. Shakily, he got up and thanked her for her time, promising to deliver results next time they meet. All he got was a “whatever”, but it was reassuring enough for him. However, just as he was about to open the front door, he backtracked and pulled something out of his robe.

Another flower crown, Odessen edition.

It was placed wordlessly on her head, as her gaze softened to an appreciative look, further tempting the Jedi with her beauty. He pulled his hood on, quickly exiting the penthouse, while calculating the amount of rest he could get before his next mission.

Nathema.

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[badsithnocookie]

i was curious about your opinion of writing characters like,,, with a different character arc? like, a sort of canon divergence where certain characters end up developing different opinions than they do in canon? like, just an example: someone writing quinn realizing the severe downfalls of the empire (you know, mass propaganda, fascism, slavery, etc.) and moving away from that? or lana being more rigid in their opinions than just following an ls!outlander without question?

i am 100% supportive of writing characters with growth arcs (both towards and away from the ideals of the player and or player character) and of writing them with different outcomes than we have in canon - to use the example of lana you mentioned, she and outlander!eirn butt heads much more in my writing than they do ingame, because eirn is an ls/disillusioned sith who wants nothing further to do with the empire, and lana is... well, lana.

personally, i try to write characters as true to themselves, or at least, my conception and understanding of them, which means inevitably my depiction will be different to canon because bioware a. have limited resources with which to do their exposition (see also: much of my frustration with lana being an exposition bot at the cost of her characterisation) and b. caters expressly to a player power fantasy (chuck has said as much on livestreams), so major npcs are unlikely to complain much about their actions (and those that do are frequently murderable, as of kotfetet - see: senya, koth, indo, atrius, etc...)

(similarly, i tend to hc and write lana as being more manipulative and controlling than a lot of fandom write/hc her as, which has caught me flak from lana fans in the past but to me,feels truer to her personality, especially as it is shown in sor, than the characterisation she gets in some parts of being completely benevolent and selfless)

this isn’t to say i feel that characters should be static or stagnant - sometimes people don’t change, this much is true, and going through a period of trial and doubling down on one’s previous beliefs is both an incredibly human trait and a completely valid character arc. but even that is a growth of a kind, because the character in question has had their beliefs or stances challenged and come away with more conviction in them.

but i am also okay with and (try to write) character growth and change from npcs even in directions that are canon divergent, but... within that framework of ‘doesn’t fundamentally contradict or betray the characterisation’. i will admit that it is something i struggle with, in part because longfic and i are hated nemeses and in part just because i focus far more on my ocs. at the very least, i try to work out where a character would (imo) reasonably have come to, given the events and circumstances that they have been through and the people they have been around.

so for a concise example: under the right circumstances, i could buy quinn having an arc where he comes to the conclusion that there are things about the empire that need changing. however, there is not a circumstance on this green earth where i could buy quinn not just leaving the empire but fighting against it for the republic.

similarly, i could buy an arc where (for example) kira carsen comes to the conclusion that the jedi are not For Her and she leaves to find her own path. however, given her personality and her history, i don’t see any reasonable path to her rejoining the empire and or the sith, never mind fighting against the republic and or jedi.

so like. ultimately, i don’t have a problem with canon divergence when it comes to people writing npcs, not least because.. i do it myself [shrug emoji]

my only sticking point is when people paste ‘improved’ or noncanon traits onto characters - quinn is a great example - without actually showing them developing those traits or behaviours, and defending this as ‘character growth’. if you don’t show the character growing (or having grown), it’s not growth, it’s a whitewash. there’s quinn fic all over the place which has him being Best Pals with vette or mysteriously anti-slavery (in all its forms, not just his ‘these people have no standards’ from rishi) etc without bothering to show how he got from the canon starting point to the divergent fic characterisation, or to show him dealing with more insidious internalised prejudices and beliefs - he just gets dubbed ‘non problematic’ at some point and thereafter is a Good Bean who says and does Nothing Bad.

(and then there are people who just straight up ‘nah i’m just going to remove all his Problematic traits or rewrite his Problematic decisions to be justifiable because i’m an adult and i do what i want’, which... okay, but at that point, he basically turns into an oc with a canon character’s name, so [shrug emoji] all people show when they do that is that they don’t like anything about the actual character or dynamics, just the aesthetics)

(these aren’t problems unique to quinn, ofc, but quinn fandom’s whitewashing of him and his less than stellar attributes is something i’ve butted heads with people over in the past)

but like. fundamentally, people will always write whatever they want, and as a random asshole on the internet, i neither have nor want much control over that. i find people who turn lana into the sort of person who moons over LSV jedi knights or who rewrite pierce into a cuddly supportive big brother to be exasperating but ultimately i can’t stop them from doing so, so [shrug emoji]

...anyway wow this got long sorry D: i rambled

[swtorramblings]

Senya and Thexan as Lanterns by @fleeting-sanity, sorry I almost forgot.

Sorry, anonymous, I am working on the ask but I need some set up first, but because of it this bit occurred to me.

Incorrect Emotional Spectrum SWTOR Quotes: The Oldest Game

Thexan:  I am Anti-Life, the Beast of Judgment. I am the Dark that will end everything. The end of universes, the Force, worlds. Of everything. And what will you be then, Mother?

Senya: I am hope.

With apologies to Mr. Gaiman. Here is the original context if you don’t want to go digging up old comics, but I do highly recommend the source material: link

[meatbag-status]

If the Arcann redemption arc didn’t sit right with you, consider this (which might possibly make you dislike it even more idk):

The Sith Inquisitor had the same ritual performed on them, and the Agent to some extent. The cleansing ritual merely healed the Inq’s spirit, which was suffering from spirit sickness. It didn’t change their personality whatsoever. Arcann is brought to the Voss for physical AND spiritual healing. All it did was remove Valkorion’s influence. It probably cleansed a lot of regret, shame, anger, and grief. And by cleansed those emotions, I mean the ritual lessened how much of a hold they had on him. So when we meet back up with Arcann and it seems like his personality has turned a 180, that’s actually who he REALLY is and always was, right under the surface. Perhaps that’s not a good enough explanation for how dramatically he changed, but the Voss ritual did NOT change his personality. It merely removed the corruption of his spirit.

Imagine that Arcann had depression and the Voss ritual was getting prescribed anti-depressants. Medication doesn’t cure a mental illness, it balances out the chemicals in your brain and removes some of the barriers that keep you from healing. It doesn’t erase everything that ever happened to you, but it helps you be able to cope with it. It helps you be ABLE to apply rational thinking and combat your negative thoughts. Arcann couldn’t cope. All those bombed planets? Bad coping mechanisms. That sounds funny, but I’m being completely serious. “Only Thexan found a way to cope.” The only way Arcann knew how to cope with Valkorion was to lash out in anger. Everything he ever did was motivated by how he felt about his father, with his hatred and anger amplified by Valk’s corrupting, dark presence.

So if you remove the root cause of such emotional instability, Valk’s darkness, then not only does Arcann have a change of heart, he has a change of perspective. Now he can call on other coping mechanisms, not just anger. I remember the first time I started taking anti-depressants and going to therapy; I started doing things that I wouldn’t even think about attempting before, and I couldn’t understand why I didn’t see things this way before the meds. “Why was I so worried about that? It’s not a big deal.” Still, recovery is a loooong process, usually, and Arcann is A+ within days/weeks. BUT when you interact with him post Dragon’s Maw, he sounds so sad and so ashamed. He’s not fully recovered, he’s just been put in the right place to start.

One final thing: witnessing acts of compassion, especially when you are personally offered it, has a huge impact on you. If you lightsided your way through KotFE, Arcann has witnessed the Outlander go SO far out of their way to save his and Senya’s life. Why? Why would anyone risk so much to save their enemy? That HAS to be the biggest impact on Arcann’s recovery maybe even rivaling the Voss ritual itself. The ritual expedited the healing process. It didn’t brainwash him.

[444names]

brythonic deities + high valyrian names and cities

Abaekarum Abaenus Abaera Abarnus Abellos Abelo Abuxena Abuxovena Adros Aegella Aegelon Aegontios Aegonus Aegora Aegus Aehaekara Aehaena Aehaenor Aelaena Aelene Aella Aelle Aellena Aello Aellorion Aelon Aemaponis Aemidar Aemogus Aemora Aemos Aenae Aenaelys Aenerys Aenetis Aentiae Aenus Aenya Aerabello Aerionius Aeris Aerisegon Aernus Aerysagus Aeteria Agrobius Agrus Alaenos Alarduis Alath Alenus Alion Allugus Amaelys Ambius Ampena Ampenya Ancadros Ancael Andon Andonna Andra Aneterys Anianos Anius Annus Anotus Anthueta Antios Antis Antisegon Antisson Antucera Arauns Arduindon Arduinton Arduis Arita Arius Arnus Arraus Artrebis Arudius Arvena Arvetis Arvolatis Atarasgus Atonus Atucerys Aufagus Aunus Avena Aventios Avertios Averys Aveteryn Aveth Ayrasguns Ayrmios Ayroba Baegel Baegelena Baemon Baena Baenerita Baenotus Baenys Baera Baertio Bannetio Banus Barduis Bartia Belios Bella Bellaelle Bellaus Belle Belliomon Bellis Bellos Bellugus Belor Belys Borlys Bricon Brinnis Brios Brissio Britio Britirios Buxovetis Cadraus Cadronius Caemon Caena Camaegus Cambis Camogmio Camon Camona Camor Canna Casgus Castrea Castrebis Castrita Celys Cerobius Cetasta Cetepon Cicura Cidatisus Cidinne Cidius Cidonus Cimbius Cimbrion Cisan Cisuceth Clora Cocicura Cocimbria Cocis Cociserys Cocius Colaeris Colaton Collaens Collus Condianna Connia Coris Corvos Covaenus Covaeros Covallis Covis Daegaerra Daegelys Daegonnus Daegorra Daegunnus Daelle Daellerys Daellor Daellora Daelor Daelora Daelos Daelys Daemona Daenera Daenete Daenuns Daenya Daera Daerebius Daernus Daerr Daerra Daerys Damaella Damaerys Damaunnis Dambis Damna Damon Damonus Dampenar Damulla Damulugus Darum Dathueton Datia Datios Datis Datus Datution Elaenae Elliovena Elorisus Esson Esteris Estres Esucar Esucerion Esullis Fagrota Fagrus Fanodena Gaelys Gaemios Gaenya Gandamo Ganota Garis Grudia Hellata Helle Heteryn Heterys Huete Hueternus Huetios Huetiros Huetis Innaegon Iovetis Jacadros Jaehan Jaekar Jaelaerys Jaelos Jaemio Jaena Jaenos Jaerys Laegonus Laeria Laerios Laerius Laerrus Laerys Lantio Lenosh Lentiaens Lenya Lenyr Lerata Leucamon Leucicura Lorlys Lorvos Lucar Lucel Luceteris Luxena Maeganius Maegus Maela Maena Maenera Maenus Maenya Maeris Maerius Maernus Maertrius Maerys Mapomapon Mapon Mapona Marduis Marisanth Marnus Marrannia Marrus Martrebis Marum Marus Maufantia Maunus Monnius Monus Muluxens Myrabnos Myron Nemon Nemond Nemonna Nemonnus Nerebius Neris Nernus Nerys Netepon Neternuns Netia Netis Nextion Nextis Nobis Noborvena Noborvo Notartand Notucius Notutios Ogmionus Oguns Penys Pesson Pesulus Pesus Qohora Qohorius Qohorlys Rhaegelos Rhaegon Rhaela Rhaelaus Rhaello Rhaelys Rhaemion Rhaemon Rhaemonus Rhaenoba Rhaention Rhaenton Rhaenus Rhaenya Rhaerys Rhalys Rhanius Rotatona Rusucerys Saenes Sandaena Sanus Sedaellis Sedaerys Sedatobor Sedatond Segela Segelle Segor Segora Segus Senya Senys Serys Shaelonus Shaenus Shaenys Shandra Shandron Smerobis Smerr Smerra Smetisena Smetosh Sucamna Sullernus Sullorrus Sullus Tanos Tarata Tasgus Tatia Tobis Trigand Trintres Tyros Tyroton Vaehaeryn Vaelor Vaena Vaenys Vaerys Valaemona Valaera Valaerys Valan Valath Valena Valenya Valis Vallaton Vallios Valys Valysand Valyx Vandon Vandran Vanerys Vaniantia Vannus Vantia Venya Venys Verionos Vhela Vhelaena Vhellaena Vhellonna Vhelor Vheloris Vhetantia Vheterys Vinnus Vinorlys Vinos Vinth Vintresus Vinus Virio Virita Viritar Viron Visegor Visson Vitis Vollon Vosegonus

[swtorpadawan]

The Halcyon Legacy

Recently I’ve seen @tishinada , @spindlewit and others release impressive reports on their Legacies through KOTFE/KOTET. These looked like a lot of fun. I was planning on doing something with this myself, and one project sort of dove-tailed with the other. None on my OCs here are blood relations, but most have encountered each other. So without further ado, here is the HALCYON LEGACY.

Name: Corellan Halcyon Gender: Male Species: Human Status / Position: Alive / Formerly Jedi Master and Battlemaster of the Jedi Order; now Commander of the Eternal Alliance (with several courtesy titles he doesn’t care about, but others seem to) Relationship: Kira Carsen

About Him: Corellan was born on Legol, a minor corporate gas mining colony that was destroyed during the First Galactic War. An infant Corellan – named so by the Republic soldier (Rusk) who saved him - was evacuated off-planet and, discovered to be Force-sensitive, was turned over to the Jedi Order. (This is all recounted in my work “Beginnings”.) Corellan was raised and trained at a remote Jedi Enclave on Uphrades, where his most distinguished Master was Sagotto, a retired Jedi Battlemaster. At the age of 16 and now a full Padawan, Corellan began serving under a series of Masters in relatively short apprenticeships, most of whom were traveling around the Outer Rim. Through all of this, Corellan had very little contact with the “main” Jedi Order as a whole, which meant that when he was finally sent to Tython for his Jedi Trials, his view on the Order and his place within it was somewhat skewed. (At that point, Corellan thought that most Jedi were like him, and that he was nothing exceptional.)

Nevertheless, Corellan quickly developed a strong bond with Orgus Din during his brief time as his Padawan, and when he rescued Teeseven from the Flesh Raiders he made a friend for life. Corellan likewise grew close to Kira Carsen when she was assigned his Padawan, and shortly after her promotion to Knighthood, the two began a relationship. (This is recounted in the first chapter of my “Kira Carsen and the Hero of Tython” fic.) During the class story, Corellan committed only two “Dark-side” choices. The first was when he told Kira he would protect her from the Emperor; the second was when he slew the Emperor in cold blood on Dromund Kaas. Corellan is the coalition’s champion during the Shadow of Revan story, finally allowing the legendary warrior to find peace. His life takes a definite turn early in Knights of the Fallen Empire; separated from his crew and with the Order shattered, he realizes he must go beyond the Jedi’s teachings in order to win this conflict. His confrontation with Satele – a woman whom he’d looked at as almost a mother-like figure – on Odessen was intense and was one of the few times he’s almost lost it. He recovered, however, and he, Satele and Marr parted on good terms.      

Corellan goes through a number of armor changes during the game, wearing the Resolute Guardian armor set for most of the Jedi Knight campaign before switching to the Ruthless Scion – dyed blue and white – during KOTFE/KOTET. In the aftermath of these events, with Senya and Arcann’s blessing, Corellan started wearing Thexan’s raiment.

In my head-canon, Teeseven, Rusk, and Doc all saw their stories develop similar to the way they did in canon. Scourge did leave, however, did not take Kira with him to find Vitiate’s original body. Kira herself was part of an anti-Zakuulan resistance organization. When that group was destroyed and scattered, she became desperate to form a new one, but, in her own words ‘got into trouble’. (More to come on this, and what became of Scourge.)

Name: Gahraath Vaiken / [Cipher Nine] Gender: Male Species: Human Status / Position: Alive / Former top operative for Imperial Intelligence / Now top ‘cleaner’ for the Alliance   Relationships: Raina Temple About Him: Gahraath Vaiken, the man known to the galaxy as [Cipher Nine], went through the gamut of emotions in the final days of Imperial Intelligence, and a lesser operative would have cracked. Fortunately, he unexpectedly found comfort in the arms of Raina Temple, who saw him through those dark times. When it was over, [Cipher Nine] discovered that he was loyal to an Empire that never existed. When Sith Intelligence was formed under Lana Beniko, he accepted assignments as an independent operative, but never trusted her. During the early days of the Eternal Empire invasion, [Cipher Nine] was separated from his crew, marooned on a colony believed to be destroyed. By the time he found a way to escape, years had passed and his crew had long since scattered. [Cipher Nine] joined the Alliance not long after its formation, using a fake name and identity. On Odessen, he had a private conversation with Corellan Halcyon. No one seems to know what was said between the two, but afterwards, he disclosed his true status as a former operative of Imperial Intelligence. Lana Beniko was enraged at his deception, but the Commander insisted he be allowed to remain. Since then, he’s become the Alliance’s top sniper and removal specialist. (Though these days, he takes most of his targets in with tranquilizers.)

[Cipher Nine]’s crew mostly followed the canon story. SCORPIO, Kaliyo and Lokin would all eventually join the Alliance. Vector Hyllus withdrew to the Killiks, but eventually would broker an arrangement with the Alliance, largely with [Cipher Nine]’s help. [Cipher Nine] is unaware that Raina Temple returned to the Chiss Ascendency and has been looking for her for some time.    

Name: Bas’rish Gender: Female Species: Twi’lek Status / Position: Alive / Formerly known as “the Voidhound” / later “Logistics” deputy with the Alliance Relationships: A long series of short-term relationships over time, most recently with Koth Vortena About Her: Having grown up in poverty on Ryloth, Bas’rish sees her ship and her lifestyle as a smuggler captain as the ultimate expression of her freedom and has never allowed herself to be tied down by anything. Bas’rish first met Corellan and Kira on Nar Shaddaa, where she had gotten herself into trouble with the Hutts. This encounter led her to declare Corellan her ‘little brother’, although Corellan was only two years younger and about six inches taller than the Twi’lek smuggler. Two years after the Eternal Empire invaded, Bas’rish was captured by the Exarch of Belsavis during a mission. She was cruly treated by the Exarch for the next three years, during the course of which her crew believed she had been killed. [I retell this in my short story ‘Three Years’.]

Corellan and Teeseven rescued Bas’rish during their raid on the Star Fortress, and Bas’rish would go on to put down the Exarch herself. Afterwards, she joined the Alliance, where she was reunited with Bowdarr, and later Guss and Akaavi.    

Name: Xadya Gender: Female Species: Human Status / Position: Alive / Most recent Grand Champion of the Great Hunt / Alliance operative Relationships: While “gameplay Xadya” romanced Torian Cadera, “headcanon Xadya” eventually wound up with Mako. About Her: Xadya’s early background and childhood are a closely guarded secret. Its possible she’s told Mako how she got the scars on her face and necks, but if so, she’s the only one. Xadya briefly encountered Corellan on Makeb; before the two champions could come to blows, Kira and Mako – who had known each other back on Nar Shaddaa – managed to broker a cease-fire. Xadya told Corellan what had happened with Jun Seros, and the two eventually parted ways with a mutual professional respect. Xadya and her crew fought alongside Mandalore the Vindicated during the Zakuulan invasion, fleeing only after the old Mandalore – who was something of a father figure to Xadya – was killed. Xadya took a few survivors and went underground, stepping back from the galaxy and effectively letting her crew go their own ways, with the exception of Mako. It was only at this point that Mako, a few years older and wiser, expressed her feelings to Xadya, which she reciprocated. The two put together a small group of Mandolorians on the Outer Rim, a group which included Akaavi Spar. Years later, Torian – who had been trusted with the means to contact Xadya and Mako – reached out, eventually persuading the two to join the Eternal Alliance.

Xadya’s crew – with the exception of Mako – developed much as they did in the game. When she joined the Alliance, Corellan disclosed to her – out of respect -that he and Rusk had sent Skadge to prison. (She was not devastated.)

Xadya has come to respect Shae Vizla and accept her as the new Mandalore, but it was slow going.

Name: Illaynah Antilles Gender: Female Species: Human Status / Position: Alive / Former Major in the Republic Military / Former Commander Officer of Havoc Squad / leader of the Tralus resistance movement / eventual Alliance Special Forces Commander Relationships: A series of short-term liaisons, including with Ava Jaxo, Jonas Balkar and very briefly with Theron Shan. About Her: Illaynah Antilles is a native of Tralus, near Corellia. She had a complicated relationship with her father, a former Republic soldier who was forced to retire due to a crippling injury. He fell into an alcohol-driven depression and never wanted Illaynah to follow in his footsteps. He said some truly hurtful things to her when she enlisted, and Illaynah never resolved things with him before his death. Her years commanding Havoc Squad were complicated for Illaynah. She began her service as a true patriot of the Republic, but her experiences with General Garza during her service soon enlightened her to the darker realities that resulted from decades of conflict. Illaynah actually had high hopes for Chancellor Saresh, and that continued up until her failures when the Eternal Empire invaded. When the Republic effectively surrendered to Zakuul so they could continue their war against the Sith, she resigned in disgust. When she discovered her homeworld of Tralus now had a Zakuulan Star Fortress orbiting it. Illaynah ran a resistance cell for the next few years, and was eventually contacted by the Alliance for assistance. After helping Corellan take out the Star Fortress, she would eventually join the Alliance as their Special Forces commander.

Illaynah’s old squad-mates in Havoc Squad saw their careers take similar roads as in the canon. Jorgan took over while Elara was transferred to Jace Malcolm’s staff. Forex became a Republic mouthpiece, while Yuun went off on his own to Zakuul to study their technology. Tanno Vik eventually settled on Asylum to do Tanno’s thing. The first three all would eventually find themselves joining the Alliance, with Elara serving as a representative of the Republic military. While they all have other responsibilities, Havoc Squad occasionally reforms for special missions.  

Name: Zu’fanda Gender: Female Species: Twi’lek Status / Position: Deceased / Darth Nox / Member of the Dark Council / Order of Revan Relationship: Andronikos Revel About Her: Zu’fanda spent her early years as a slave in the Sith Empire. Despite countless abuses, she nevertheless persevered, and when it was discovered that she was was Force sensitive, she thrived as a Sith. Although solidly a Dark Sider, Zu’fanda understood that the Force was greater than what she’d been taught on Korriban. This led to many interesting conversations with Ashara Zavros. The two never completely saw eye to eye, but it did lead Zu’fanda to take a hard look at the Emperor. Realizing what Vitiate was, she made a critical decision to stop this existential threat.

She threw in with the Order of Revan.

Zu’fanda led the assault on Tython, with the secret objective of securing the Rakatan artifact the Revanites needed. Just before the Republic counterattack began, Zu’fanda gave the order for dozens of captured Padawans to be executed. Ashara protested the decision, leading to a verbal altercation between master and apprentice right when Zu’fanda’s full focus needed to be on the coming Republic attack.

That attack came in the form of Corellan, Kira and Lord Scourge appearing in the council chamber to confront Zu’fanda, Ashara and Khem Val. It should have been an even fight, but the conflict between Zu’fanda and Ashara threw off the timing of the Imperials. Ashara missed a ‘switch’ as Corellan squared off against Nox, giving Kira the opening she needed to strike down the Dark Council member. At Nox’s death, Ashara went catatonic while Khem charged Kira in an uncontrolled fury... leaving the Dashade open for Scourge to cut him down.    

In the aftermath of Zu’fanda’s death, Ashara was taken prisoner by the Jedi order, but later escaped during the Zakuulan invasion of Tython. Andronikos swore revenge against the Jedi who had killed the love of his life. Xalek, regretting his master’s death but judging it to be the will of the Force, departed the service of the Sith Empire. [Later showing up on Ilum.] Talos, loyal to Nox but not particularly close to her, rejoined the Imperial Reclamation Service. [Talos and Xalek would eventually encounter Corellan, joining the Eternal Alliance.] Andronikos is still unaccounted for. Ashara, however, may be making an appearance soon…

Name: Ulannium Kaarz Gender: Male Species: Mirialan Status / Position: Bar’senthor of the Jedi Order; later special emissary to the Eternal Alliance Relationship: Nadia Grell [Though their relationship develops very differently from the class story, which is terribly rushed.] About Him: Ulannium was raised on Uphrades at the same enclave that produced Corellan. Despite the fact that he was four years older than the future Battlemaster, the two younglings became friends, both somewhat in awe at the other’s abilities. As a Padawan and later a Jedi Knight and Master, Ulannium proved to be an incredibly potent Seer and one of the best diplomats in the order. Ulannium provided comfort to Nadia after the death of her father, and it was only years later, after Nadia became a Jedi Knight in her own right, that the two began acting on their feelings for each other, and only then as equals.

After the Eternal Empire invaded and Tython fell, Ulannium helped Gnost-Dural evacuate, establishing the colony on Ossus. His crew each went their own way, with Zenith returning to Balmorra, Qyzen starting to mentor other Trandoshans, Tharan Cedrax roped into the Republic’s latest secret weapons projects, and Felix Iresso rejoining the Republic military, only to be captured opposing the Eternal Empire. [These are all consistent with the base story.] Ulannium and Nadia continued their relationship on Ossus discreetly, with only Gnost-Dural knowing their secret. After years of isolation from the galaxy, Corellan and the Eternal Alliance would discover Ossus, helping them fight off a rogue Imperial attack. [This is divergence from the canon story, where the attack on Ossus was ordered by Empress Acina.] Afterwards, Ulannium and Nadia effectively joined the Alliance, serving as representatives of the now-rebuilding Jedi order.

Having grown up together, Ulannium and Corellan remain close friends, albeit they’ve only worked together on a handful of occasions.  

Name: Lord Kael Gender: Male Species: Pureblood Status / Position: Deceased / Emperor’s Wrath Relationship: After a series of ‘encounters’ during the class story, Kael eventually committed himself to Jaesa Willsaam. However, upon realizing that he had been abandoned by Vitiate, Kael went insane and abandoned Jaesa and his crew. By the time she found out what happened to him, he had been killed on Yavin.

About Him: Kael was a truly monstrous Sith who never passed on the opportunity to order a good massacre or to torment a fallen enemy. Perhaps his sole redeeming virtue was that he was (usually) nice to Vette, though frankly, he almost thought of her as a pet. When he pursued Jaesa, he did so with particular gusto, relishing in the slaughter of her parents and her former Master. Like most Sith, Kael was raised to regard the Emperor as a god. When he became the Emperor’s Wrath and slew Baras, he saw it as his ‘great destiny’ and committed himself fully to Vitiate. When it was revealed that the Emperor had been using the Empire (including Kael) for his own ends the entire time and sought to destroy the galaxy, it broke something in his mind. He abandoned his crew on a murderous bender; Jaesa may not have been a stabilizing influence on his life, but Vette and the others had been. In his rage, Kael was approached by a powerful and charismatic man who promised him the chance for revenge against Vitiate.

Unfortunately for Kael, that man was Revan.

Kael threw in with the Revanites, becoming Revan’s personal enforcer. During the Battle of Yavin, Revan sent him out with the last of his reserves in a last-ditch counteroffensive. At the crucial moment, Kael and his warriors were confronted by Corellan and Kira. For nearly an hour they battled. The Hero of Tython and the Emperor’s Wrath were evenly matched, but Corellan was playing a mental game. Kael’s offensive lost all momentum, letting the coalition forces rally. Realizing that even if he won the battle that he had already lost the war, Kael lost the last of his sanity, attacking the Jedi with complete abandon. With Kira’s help, Corellan slew him.

As for the rest of Kael’s old crew, their fates mostly played out as they did in the canon story. Vette eventually teamed with Gault, Quinn became an advisor to Empress Acina, Pierce became the Empire’s new ‘model’ soldier, and Broonmark went on a killing spree against everyone who he blamed for the Talz being the cuddly teddy-bear insects they are. As for Jaesa, she swore vengeance against Corellan and Kira. Her plans broke down when the Eternal Empire attacked and Corellan disappeared while Kira went underground. But its possible we may hear from her again… _________________________________________ I hope people enjoyed this. I will tag some people for fun, but no pressure! @inyri​ @greyias​ @legacystarwarred​ @pauletta-00​

And anyone else who wants to try it! 

[rainofaugustsith]

Random headcanon about Viri, Senya and Koth. Anti-Senya, be warned.  Koth was not fond of Viri before they met - he refused to help Lana rescue her, because she’d killed his beloved Immortal Emperor and thus brought Arcann to power. The only reason he flew Lana to Zakuul for the rescue was because she was desperate for a ship at the last minute. He made it clear he was there to help her, not Viri. Even when Viri insisted on saving the power station it really didn’t endear her to him, and he was pretty snarky and passive-aggressive toward her.  Headcanon for the carbonite years is that Lana and Koth were not together because Lana always knew Viri was alive and was visiting her in her carbonite dream the entire time, so they were not separated.  But when Senya came along, Viri and Koth suddenly had something in common: they both disliked and distrusted Senya, and it paved the way for them to become buddies. Viri felt something around Senya from the moment they met, and she didn’t care for the “prove you can fight” comment. When Senya set her up for that ambush with the Scions and hurt HK-55, leaving him to wander around Asylum with a scrambled memory, that was it for her: she had zero trust in Senya and would have kicked her off their team if things hadn’t suddenly moved so fast.  And this was perhaps the only major argument Viri and Lana ever had. Lana, being a pragmatist, felt that even if Senya could not be trusted, she could be useful and they were strong enough to take her out if need be. And she secretly thought that Viri’s decision making might still be muddled by her extreme carbonite poisoning.  Viri conceded that Senya could be valuable but still did not want her in the inner circle or making Alliance decisions, and she refused to back down, Koth backed her up, and Theron, Vette, T7-O1 and Kaliyo did too - which pissed off Lana, but she was outvoted.  When Viri found out that Koth had been hunted by Senya and still felt unsafe with her on the base, she made a point of being in the room when they had to work together. She also told Koth and his crew that if Senya even looked sideways at them, she’d protect them. This endeared Viri to Koth’s crew.  After everything hit the fan with Senya and she betrayed the Alliance, Lana took Viri aside and apologized to her. She explained she’d doubted Viri’s judgment due to her carbonite poisoning and Senya’s link with Valkorion, and promised she’d pay much more attention to Viri’s opinions on such matters. 

[jarael]

🔥🔥🔥, herm, Senya.

-I think she should have been able to leave the Alliance if you proved to be too anti-Zakuul, like Koth does.  Yes, her main concern is bringing her kids to justice, but that’s also her homeworld being bombarded.

-If we can have customizations for Arcann, we deserve one that gives us Senya’s old look back.  She’s definitely a beautiful woman, but her old look is much better.

-Unlike some people, I don’t think her choosing to worry more about Arcann than Vaylin in Eternal Throne is her fault.  As she is mere pixels, she is at the mercy of the writers.

Bonus: while I would love to be able to romance her, I don’t think Bioware is capable of writing that well.