#anti sansa x petyr

[riothegreenwitch]

Sansa/Tyrion would be one of the most popular Sansa ships if he was not a dwarf considering her most popular ship is with a man who treated her just as poorly but isn’t a dwarf. But I’ve been in the ASOIAF fandom for 10 years now and they weren’t ready for that discussion back then and they still aren’t!

[rinignis]

saw a tiktok comparing Catelyn Stark to Alicent Hightower (ss dow below) and since this is such a brain dead take I felt the need to write this out.

First of all, calling Peytr Catelyns lover is so fucking disgusting. Catelyn has never EVER looked at petyr with anything other than brotherly affection. They played "kissing games" as children but Cat was quick to end them whereas Lysa kept playing them with him. In fact, when he tried to kiss her again after she was betrothed to Brandon Stark she pushed him away laughing...LAUGHING GUYS. When brandon died, petyr sent her a letter and burnt the fuck out of it and went on to marry ned stark and eventually fall in love with him. do not ever call catelyn and peytr lovers smh.

Second of all, Catelyn was not particularly angry at ned for having an affair and producing a bastard, she was angry that she brought jon into her new home to raise as she saw that as a threat to her children and grandchildrens inheritance. Catelyn had an actual valid reason to fear her husbands supposed bastard. Catelyn lived in the aftermath of the blackfyre rebellions and her society could still feel the after affects of bastard siblings rising up to take claim to their trueborn siblings inheritances. Alicent however???? she just straight up hated bastards and hated Rhaenyra. It wouldnt have mattered is Rhaenyras kids were bastards as their claim comes through her. Alicent had no valid reason to hate Rhaenyras children as Rhaenyra was heir to the throne, Alicents children had no claim in the eyes of the Iron Throne because Viserys had chosen his heir.

Also, dont compare Catelyns mothering to Alicent. In peace times, Alicent set her 13 year old daughter with her creepy rapist son because she so badly wanted to overthrow Rhaenyra. She may have loved her children in her own way, but alicent most definitely saw her children as a way to gain more power. Catelyn, on the other hand, was a loving mother who did all she could to protect her children. Catelyn was constantly looking for ways to save her daughters. She fought off an assassian that was after bran. She does all she can to support and aid robb as a king going through a war. Hell man, her very last act (before getting resurrected) is to try to barter for robbs' life, and death doesn't even stop this woman. She puppets her fucking corpse around to get vengance for her children, one of these women was a better mother and let me tell you it was not alicent fucking hightower.

I've linked the og tiktok so you can have even more context but this shit pissed me off badddd.

[bi-bi-bi-notanotherfool]

! Warning !

This is a petyr baelish hate blog

[viktoriakosci666]

The fact that Daemon x Rhaenyra parallels with Petyr x Sansa is enough proof for me to know that Daemon is not the right guy for Rhaenyra.

Rhaenyra and Sansa were both underage when these men started grooming them and using them for their own ambitions - Petyr married Sansa to Ramsay Bolton, Daemon tried to sully Rhaenyra so that he would be forced to marry the Heir of the Seven Kingdoms, making him the ultimate candidate for King Consort since no one would want a deflowwmered girl - and these men did this with the knowledge that both of these girls did not know any better, because at the end of the day, to these men, these are dumb little girls who know no better and are easier to coerce to do things, like love and marriage and lust (remember, Daemon liked young virgins in the books - probably because they were more innocent and naive to sleep with him - he also convinced Rhaenyra that he was in love with her by simply taking her to a brothel and kissing her and by giving her gifts occasionally).

Rhaenyra: believes that Daemon loves her because a) he gives her gifts b) he kissed her in a brothel c) he was helping her to strip her clothing so that she could be naked d) he nearly kissed her on her Wedding day in front of her father - if you look at these scenarios, NONE of these seem Romantic - giving someone gifts can be seen as cute and romantic, but it seems like a tactic that kidnappers use to lure children in by showing them candy to make them trust them - and this level of trust that Rhaenyra has towards Daemon is continously shown within Hotd, whilst Rhaenyra has no problems with distrusting Otto and Alicent - all because Daemon groomed her enough to whisper to her that he was her only really ally - and this level of trust from Rhaenyra is simply because she was too sheltered within her life to know whom she can or can't trust, but since she loves Daemon, she naturally believes in his every word.

Sansa: doesn't believe that Petyr loves her because a) she knows about his obvious feelings for her mother b) she feels strange and wrong when Petyr kisses her c) she's been too traumatised to fully believe someone again who's not a Stark - if you look at THESE scenarios, you see that Sansa doesn't believe that Petyr loves her BECAUSE of her trauma, and it's BECAUSE of her trauma to not trust people that she eventually becomes independent of Petyr and gains insight of real manipulation.

Petyr ultimately wants the Iron Throne, as does Daemon, but Petyr can only do so many things before Sansa abandons him as he has no significancein her life other than being the only man who will 'sometimes' help her, whilst Daemon is stuck with Rhaenyra for life because they are family.

The only difference between Sansa and Rhaenyra is that Sansa realised that she was being used whilst Rhaenyra grew an obsession with Daemon, which ultimately didn't help her realise that he was manipulating her - and both of these affect these girls in different ways.

The Conclusion

Show Sansa learns to make people trust her but she herself doesn't trust them unless they're family, and even her family is limited to her trust - basically, she learned to be the MANIPULATOR and not the manipulated.

Book Rhaenyra learns to not trust people, even her family members, as she becomes paranoid and fearful of who she can trust - she doesn't learn how to manipulate people, so she becomes the MANIPULATED.

In further conclusion, don't ship little girls with their groomers, manipulators or abusers. Rhaenyra, Sansa and Alicent deserve better.

[inncorrect-starklings]

Game Show Host: In common law, the age of this, signaling adulthood, is presumed to be 14 in boys and 12 in girls.

Petyr: What is the age of consent?

Game show host: No… What is Puberty

[agentrouka-blog]

Does Sansa have daddy issues ?

Well, I'd say Ned did his level best to try and instill some in the final months of his life, but I wouldn't say that Sansa is necessarily manifesting daddy issues so much as that her plot is forcing them on her.

She is not seeking out new father figures - Baelish is forcing that on her.

She is not sexually attracted to father figures - Loras is rather the opposite. Littlefinger, who tries to fill just that precise niche, is someone whose attention she endures with distaste.

She does not react with specific vitriol to father figures - she internally rejects Littlefinger's claim to the role, but she doesn't experience anger or aggression at the suggestion, either.

If she were to be offered genuine fatherly guidance by someone like, say, Yohn Royce, would that perhaps resonate emotionally for her more than it should? Probably. But not to an unhealthy degree.

She does feel flattered (in her bubble of protective denial) by Littlefinger's seeming willingness to let her make decisions or to seemingly prioritize her wishes or acknowledge her intelligence and qualities. It's the exact thing Ned failed to do so badly.

But we are not given this line for no reason:

I am not your daughter, she thought. I am Sansa Stark, Lord Eddard's daughter and Lady Catelyn's, the blood of Winterfell. She did not say it, though. (AFFC, Sansa I)

In the end, Sansa's bond with Ned is strong, in spite of his distracted failings, and not a vacancy she is looking to fill with a replacement, either paternal or romantic in nature.

[elegantwoes]

Sansa is too young to be lady of winterfell or lead the kotv but not too young to be shipped with gross men twice her age? Lol

It proves how sexist the ASOIAF fandom is. Apparently, it’s okay that Sansa gains autonomy -  and I use this term loosely - when someone else gains from it, and worst of all, those who are supposed to gain something from this are men who have sexually and emotionally abused her. However, when she gains power and agency only for herself then it’s a problem. How dare Sansa be a free-thinking character that stands on her own. Don’t you know her existence should be in the service of others? She doesn’t deserve to be a powerful ruler. That honor only belongs to the major characters. 

[man-in-yell0w]

On Twitter today

[esther-dot]

Do you think the constant emphasis on Sansa's height, bosom and her body being referred to as womanly, mean GRRM might have a romantic plot planned for her ? With the removal of 5 yr gap, I think GRRM knows he has fucked up the kids' (Arya, Sansa, Bran ) puberty and sexual development . So will he write a 13 year old Sansa as an 18 year old from TWOW ?

You’ve covered it pretty well, anon. I’ve seen lots of posts about this cross my dash because we all dread know where it’s going. And it isn’t solely the fixation on Sansa’s looks that’s hinting at the future, or even her own desire to be loved, but the place she holds in the story. She is a romantic figure, not simply because she’s the object of marriage plans and sexual interest, but because of the archetypal figure she references. I’d go so far as to say that her story requires a romance.

Of course, a romance, especially in a story pulling from medieval literary themes, can be chaste, and I entertain that notion, but there seems to be a consensus that that’s likely not how Martin would leave it. I mentioned in this post, he does write young teens having sex, and I think that’s his attempt to normalize it for his readers. The loss of the 5 year gap does give it an ick factor, but I’m sure in his mind, he’s committed to certain ideas from the beginning and can't not follow through because it would ruin what he's saying. Without the next books, we’re left not knowing if we’re interpreting things correctly or not, but I think there’s a lot that is going to feed into Sansa’s eventual romance.  

And I say “eventual” because I do not think the relationships that the fandom accepts as possibilities (with The Hound, Tyrion, Littlefinger…) are meant to be seen as such. The fandom picks up on the fact that protection will be a theme in her romance and allow the moments these characters offer it to outweigh the molestation Sansa suffers at their hands, ignoring that these men are a threat to her. The misidentification of those relationships as romance arises from the fact that we instinctively know Sansa is a romantic figure, so readers are trying (and failing) to identify with whom. The solution is not to romanticize abuse. The answer is, she simply hasn’t had her romance yet.

I think that’s bound to change.

[themockingpoint]

That Arianne-Aegon ask game question thing. Can you do it for Val, Sansa, Jeyne, and Daenerys

Sexuality:

Ship:

BrOTP:

NOTP:

Random Headcanon:

Gen Opinion:

Val

Sexuality: Bisexual but like mostly attracted to men

Ship: Jon and to a more crackship extent Arianne Martell

BrOTP: Dalla or Gilly

NOTP: I hate her with Robb if I am being perfectly honest. I Hate it. I Hate it. I Hate it.

Random Headcanon: For all intents and purposes she sees Dalla as her mother not her sister. Dalla loved their mother however and feels like it’s disrespectful to her memory.

Gen Opinion: Vastly underrated by fandom and should stop be delegated to foreshadowing for shippers. Also she should’ve been a POV in WoW. If only to see into the Freefolk mindset more.

Sansa

Sexuality: Bisexual but doesn’t realize it yet.

Ship: Ned Dayne is top tier, but to a lesser extent Elia Sand, Willas and Margaery Tyrell (not at the same time ya nasties)

BrOTP: Jeyne Poole, Arya Stark, Jon Snow, Myranda Royce, and Mya Stone

NOTP: Tyrion, Sandor, Baelish, and Jon

Random Headcanon: While she looks identical to Catelyn, her mannerisms are a carbon copy of Lyarra, her grandmother through Ned.

Gen Opinion: Just look at the rest of my blog lol

Jeyne Poole

Sexuality: Straight

Ship: I don’t really have one tbh. Maybe Jon? I could see it happening if everything didn’t go to shit.

BrOTP: Sansa

NOTP: Ramsay

Random Headcanon: she was very jealous of Arya for hanging out with her brothers since her mother died in childbirth to her own little brother who did not make it

Gen Opinion: Her bullying of Arya gets blown way out of proportion and to act like she deserved anything in WoW means that I would avoid you in real life.

Daenerys

Sexuality: Hetrofexible

Ship: Probably Tyrion. I think they could make a cool couple

BrOTP: Missandei, Irri and Jhiqui. Also I’m kinda looking forward to her interactions with Jon if they’re not in a romantic relationship

NOTP: Jon, Jorah, Drogo (the fact so many portray that as romantic in modern AUs 🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮)

Random Headcanon: Really, she does not care if she has sons. She wants daughters

Gen Opinion: I feel like she gets far too much hate and a lot of people criticize her in bad faith. Still don’t like her though.

[fairlyoddless]

This fandom’s obsession with shipping Sansa with old ass men who either: 1) abuse her, or 2) groom her, is disgusting.

Just admit that y’all don’t care about Sansa as a character. Y’all think she’s just some prize that the ‘poor man who went through trauma’ deserves.

She doesn’t need to end up with any of these men for her to learn the ‘life is not a song/ beauty doesn’t equal goodness’ lesson. She learnt that lesson. She understands it quite well. She’s an important character and her character arc is not going to end with her marrying one of these men so she learns her lesson.

[the-velvet-worm]

sansa antis: I don’t hate sansa! I just don’t like her and I hope she dies a slow, painful, agonizing death because she’s so stupid and brings everything on herself—did I mention she is a FUCKING IDIOT and she gets everyone killed with her stupidity? I dont hate her tho

me:

[hchollym]

7 for GoT ask game

7. What’s your GoT NOTP?

There's a lot of couples that I don't like in canon!verse, but I'm usually more open-minded about AU's. However, there are some pairings that I absolutely always despise:

Sansa x Sandor

Lyanna x Rhaegar

Sansa x Tyrion

Sansa x Petyr

I really hate how the first two are constantly romanticized by fans. 🤢

[bi-bi-bi-notanotherfool]

It’s been brought to my attention Lysa Tully Did Rape Petyr Baelish. He was drunk and thought it was Catlyn which it was not. I Won’t defend Lysa. That was wrong.

Catlyn Did Not Assault Baelish. And stop blaming her for Baelish being being a creep and all shit he does.

I just watched video where they tried to say Littlefinger was assaulted by Lysa and Catlyn…people really are bending over backwards to try for that creep…

[dykesansas]

The romanticization and justification of pedophilia in the ASOIAF fandom is genuinely disturbing. 

The fact that it’s fictional does not justify the promotion of pedophilia and abuse. I should not have to say this. If you ship literal preteens with adult men, then you’re disgusting. 

[inncorrect-starklings]

Littlefinger: Hello sweetling, listen, corporate makes us do this every year, but this is just a little manager evaluation form. You just fill it out, let them know how I'm doing, you know?

Sansa: Alright! Uh, "Is your manager manipulative?"

Littlefinger: I'd say "No" to that if I were you.