#anti ml salt fic writers

[plumsaffron]

Miracutwats roast pt. 13:

Well well well! More criminal behaviors and charges are coming in by the writers’ versions of the characters! I’m referring to the glazed and hated characters used so far! If you know you know!

Recklessness (writers that don’t properly tag their shit or give warnings leading to their asses getting blocked and characters making errors leading to their downfall)

Refusing to take responsibility or see reason

Public Disturbance aka causing a scene

Racism and Prejudice (a few salters write Lila as anti-Asian in their fics?)

Close mindedness aka tunnelvision

Stupidity

Verbal and Physical Bullying

Intent to cause harm/injury

Social Isolation

Conspiracies to drive someone to off themselves

Embezzlement of funds and financial crimes (Lila is the culprit, often painted as this gold digging monster who only cares about latching onto rich men, also manipulating ppl into giving her money by claiming she works or a charity)

Hacking

Sending Viruses to computers

Doxxing

Harassment

Stalking

Homicide

Attempted S’A or S’A that already happened (yea some writers rly took it to that low low level on the characters... most likely for shock value and/or just to make those ppl look worse in their eyes)

Anti Asian Lila? Well that’s something new I learned today of Miraculous Fanfic Writers With The Plague.

Ah yes. Gold Digging Thirst they like assigning specifically to Lila. Just another form of that Lila only wants fame and fortune and Adrien as a trophy people came up with from like nowhere spread it around and took as divine/permanent truth and latched onto it.

Them miracutwats do love being egregious scabbies. Miracusturbances scared of removing their tunnel vision to take responsibility. Maybe they don’t want to see their ugly faces in the mirror because they don’t want to accept their collective worthless discourse.

Perhaps they want deny that they became, are rivaling, or are far worse than whatever they hated and went out their ways against and continued or still continue. Could be that they secretly want to be who they strongly loathe but don’t see they already surpassed them long ago or they truly believe they are doing a noble deed.

Sometimes I wonder how do people just do this to themselves, from start to finish?

[howhow326]

Alien Superstar

Miraculous Ladybug S3: Meta salt fic (original character point of view. Trigger warnings: Racists, Lila, out of character Nino, cringe oc, villain sue, Lila)

Alya PoV

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Alya typed the numbers onto her cellphone while tears stained her cheeks. Where did I go wrong, Alya kept repeating to herself over and over again. When Lila accused Marinette of pushing her down the stairs, Alya knew from the bottom of her heart that her best friend in the whole world was innocent. However, Alya also wanted to believe that Lila was innocent too... Alya wanted to believe a lie. At first, Lila was happy to answer all of Alya's investigative questions. Then Lila started to get irritated. Then, what happened to Marinette finnaly happened to Alya.

Before the reporter knew it, the Italian girl had turned almost all of Alya's classmates against her. Marinette was still on her side, meanwhile Adrien tried to "maintain the peace" of a violent situation. It was only when Adrien heard Marinette breaking down in the bathroom that he realized that Lila had to go. Adrien tried, he really did, to put his foot down with Lila. But the green eyed girl had other ideas. "Tell me, Adrien" Lila said to him coldly, "how would you feel if Nino's reputation was ruined over night? I won't hurt you, my beloved, but I will hurt your stupid friends if you keep challenging me!" After that encounter, Adrien agreed to become Lila's boyfriend as long as she agreed to stop targeting Alya and Marinette.

But the damage had already been done. Everyone in Ms. Bustier's classroom, including Nino who broke up with Alya, hated Alya and Marinette. And while Alya could no longer make direct moves, her blonde minion and the orange-headed minion of the blonde one were more than happy to spread nasty rumours about Alya around the school. I can't take this anymore, Alya kept repeating to herself. And that was why Alya was up at 11:00 o'clock, typing in phone numbers while her eyes kept bleeding tears. To reach out to the one person who could help her.

"Salut..."

"Hi Alya, it's been a while!" The English speaker startled Alya for a moment.

"How have you been?"

"Oh sniff, I'm fine."

"Are you crying." The voice said in way that sounded more like a command to answer than a question.

"Timothy," Alya mustered all her strength to speak into the phone before breaking down again, "I need your help."

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Timothy PoV

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I have to admit, Timothy thought to himself as he arrived at college Dupont, convincing my parents to transfer to my cousin's junior high school on such short notice was a total pain... but, I am willing to do anything for my favorite cousin.

As the American boy opened the door to his new homeroom, he was greeted to an unsavory sight. Alya, and a girl he assumed to be Marinette, were seated in the far left back of the class with several rolled up paper balls on their desk. Sitting in the front right was an Italian girl with a strange hairstyle, throwing herself all over a plain looking French boy who looked extremely uncomfortable. Lila.

"Class," the apparent teacher spoke up, "We have a new transfer student joining us today! Now introduce yourself."

"Good morning. My name Timothy Césaire. I come from U. S. and I am cousins with Alya Césaire." The classroom erupted into gasps and whisper conversations. Alya has a cousin, one voice said. I hope he's not mean like Alya, another voice said. How could he be from America if Alya's from that stupid island, a particularly racist blonde girl whispered to her friend. It's worst than I thought.

Truth be told, Timothy didn't look much like Alya. His skin color was one shade lighter than hers, while his hair color was completely black. His eyes were a dark hazel that looked grey at times, compared to Alya's gold eyes. But their different looks didn't matter to him. Before their families moved away from their homeland in Martinique, Timothy and Alya were bestfriends. They always tried to make time for each other, and they were inseparable during family reunions. If there was anything that ever came between them, aside from the Atlantic ocean, it was the fact that Timothy was a bit of a trouble maker while Alya was an avid rules follower. But even that didn't push from away from each other... and Timothy knew that he was going to flip the school on it's head in order to help Alya.

When class was done, Timothy made a long list of mental notes to help with his goal. The purple haired science teacher seems useful, as she actually cared about punishing rulebreakers; the principal was bribed by the dumb rich and racist girl, so blackmailing him should be easy; and as for the rumors...

As Timothy made his way through the cafeteria, he noticed his first target: A black haired girl wearing an eye-patch that claimed "Ayla attacked me with her ugly fingernails!" The next day, a picture of that girl with both eyes intact leaked onto the internet, proving her as a liar. "Alya chased me down the street and threw me into a river!!!" an asian-fishing white girl claimed. The next day, a hospital report leaked and proved that she wasn't there the day she claimed she was attacked. "Alya, sniff sniff, destroyed my sketchbook, and I have proof!!!!!!" Not only was the book mostly blank except for one page of scribbles, but there were ten other girls claiming the exact same thing. As Timothy effortlessly destroyed all of the people claiming his cousin was a violent, angry Creole girl, he could feel a horrible feeling grow inside his chest...

Boredom. All of the rumor spreaders were being paid by Chloe to ruin Alya's reputation, and the best they could come up with was stealing dumb stories posted onto Lila's new website, Fox-chan. Seeing as the website had zero firewalls, Timothy created a virus to destroy it's data and the computers that logged onto it. If Timothy's opponent was, what was her name again? Oh yes, Chloe, then that would of been the end of Alya's troubles.

Unfortunately, his opponent was Lila Rossi, and she wised up to what was happening as soon as her website went down. The next day at school, Lila began her attack. "So you've chosen to stand against," Lila spoke to Timothy like she was some anime villain, "I want you to know that didn't end well for Alya." "What are you talk about Lila? I am just a little boy from U.S. that speak French for first time." Lila almost laughed, but caught herself to avoid attention. "Hehe, is that supposed to be your alibi?" "No, but this is!" Timothy coyly said as he pulled out a voice recorder. "So you've chosen to stand against, I want you to know that didn't end well for Alya." Lila's voice said as the smirk was wiped off the real Lila's face. "What do you think of that?" Lila pondered on what to do for a moment, before coming up with a devious plan... "How about this?" Lila said as she calmly began to lay her body on the ground, planning to accuse the American boy of assaulting her. Unfortunately for Lila, Timothy had seen this little trick before back in America. As soon as Lila started screaming "Help!", Timothy ran into a vacant classroom and closed the door behind him. Stupid American, Lila thought to herself. "Lila, what's wrong?!" Nino asked, followed by the rest of Lila's followers. "Timothy pushed me onto the floor and twisted my ankle! Sniff, I just wanted to be his friend, but he accused me of bullying Alya!" Lila lied, thinking she had caught Timothy on a hook. "WHAT!!! WHERE IS HE!!!" Nino screamed so loud that Lila almost regretted mainipulating him. "He ran into that room." Lila said with the smile of a demon on her face. Nino crashed into the door, but wasn't strong enough to force it open which knocked him on his back. Max then opened the door like a normal person. "Wait, there's no one in here." "What!" Lila almost blew her cover by standing up, before hopping on one foot over to the door. Just like the nerd said, no one was in the classroom but hot air. "Bu-but... he was just in here..." as if on cue, Lila turned around and saw Marinette, Alya, and Timothy leaving the school, as far away from the empty classroom as possible. "Well," Chloe piped up, "I guess Lila here is just a li-ar, ahahahahahaha!". "Can it you rich idio-" Lila closed her mouth, but it came too late. "Excuse me!!! You are not and are NEVER allowed to talk to ME like that!!! It's ridiculous, UTTERLY RIDICULOUS!!! Our alliance is over, you filthy Italian trash girl!!!" Chloe screeched at Lila at the top of her lungs.

Because of Lila's little stunt yesterday, her pull over her classmates was weakening and Chloe has stopped supporting her. However, this situation proved Timothy right about something, confronting Lila directly was not an option... or rather, it was not an option for a mild mannered normal boy.

"So, who's your favorite superhero!" Alya excitedly asked her cousin. Timothy disliked hearing that question after living in New York for so long, but he was willing to answer it if it meant Alya could be this happy every lunch period. "I dunno, what's your favorite hero?" "Tiiim, I told you to stop answering every question with another question!" Alya lightly punched Timothy on the arm, which caused him to laugh a little. "Anyway, you already know that my favorite American hero is Majestia, and my favorite French hero is Ladybug." Alya turned and looked at Marinette. "How about you Mari? Who's your favorite hero?!" "Oh uh, I don't really have a favorite hero. But, if I had to choose one, then guess I would choose Ladybug?" "Out of all the French heros, the original is your favorite. I wonder what that says about you..." "WHA- NOTHING! IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT ME, NOT ANYTHING AT ALL! AND BYTHEWAYICHANGEDMYMINDABOUTLADYBUGMYFAVORITEISCHATNOIRNOWAND-" "Chill girl! Timothy's just messing with you." Alya said while glaring at her cousin. "Well, to answer your question, I do not have a favorite superhero. Although, I guess The Raptor has been on my mind for a while." "The Raptor?" "He's a super criminal who's shrouded in mystery. According to some reports, he's a robin hood like figure who gives to the deserving and takes from the undeserving. According to others, he's a supervillain that plans to destroy society. And then there are some Americans who think he's just a simple crook that's smart enough to help superheros fight even worst crooks..." Alya proudly displayed her knowledge of superheros. "...uhh, why did you bring him up?" "Ohh, no reason except that he apparently broke into some expensive business building a few days before I left New York. The Raptor has a type of pattern where he chooses a target and then strikes a few days later. Right now it's been about two weeks and there has been nothing..." Timothy trailed off. "Maybe one day, Ladybug and Chat Noir could help the United Heroez catch him?" Marinette wondered aloud, although it sounded more like a suggestion. "That would be nice." Timothy smiled at Marinette.

The trio spent the rest of the school day together. When the bell finnally rang, Alya and Marinette split off to walk home while Timothy went to run some "errands". And by errands I mean to expose Lila. Sneaking into the security room to steal footage for evidence of Lila's lies was his next course of action. But that wasn't a job for Timothy... It was a job for The Raptor.

"Okay class!" the red headed teacher shouted so that she could be heard over Nino and Kim's chatter, "Today we are going to watch a movie of Romeo and Juliet! Afterwards, you will write a single paragraph about what it means to love your enemy! An important lesson for our modern day that we should all learn," Ms. Bustier then looked straight at the back row, "especially you, Marinette!" The raven haired girl didn't flinch when the teacher singled her out, seeing as she was used to it. Alya looked like she had been smacked across the face, but refused to say anything. The more Timothy listened to Ms. Bustier, the harder it became to keep his cover as the "innocent foreigner" but he knew it would be worth it in a couple of seconds.

After Ms. Bustier turned off the lights, she put the tape... ok, why is a class in 202X still using tapes? Whatever... into the machine and pressed play. Instead of sitting through the usual commercials, the video instantly displayed an image of the classroom door. Video Mari and Lila came out of the door and were conversing with each other. "What is this?" Ms Bustier stared at the screen, which wasn't teaching her class about "love" at all. "Wait, I know what this is." Marinette whispered to Alya. Video Mari sounded like she was accusing Lila of lying, and Lila sounded like she was agreeing with her. "This isn't Romeo and Juliet!!!" Ms. Bustier was about to take the tape out. "Ms. Bustier, wait!!!" Timothy shouted. Before the misplaced kindergarten teacher could respond, video Lila walked down the staircase and the screamed loudly. "Marinette pushed me down the stairs!" the voice in the video lied. "Lila, what is this!!!" Nino shouted so loud that everyone in the classroom heard him. "Uhh, clearly Marinette is still trying to frame me after all this time!" Lila lied. Max adjusted his glasses "But that video has you in it?" he asked her. "Oh, that's not me it's just, uhh, Alya pretending to be me!" Lila lied again. Timothy could see that Lila's grip over the classroom had shattered, but she had one follower left. "Marinette and Alya, detention NOW!!!" Ms. Bustier commanded them. Even after she had evidence she was wrong, the red head was still choosing the Italian girl over the two non-white girls.

"But that's not-" before Alya had time to finish, Timothy ran out of the classroom and into the principal's office. "Young man, what are you-" before principal Damocles could finish, Timothy pulled up a video of Dark Owls Only Fans. "If you don't fire Ms. Bustier from her job right now, I will leak this video, and the receipts of the school money you stole to make it, to the press!" Just like plan B, the deranged old man backed down.

The next day, Ms. Bustier was gone and Ms. Mendeleiev was the new home room teacher. Chloe was still able to get away with what she wanted, seeing as she was still the Mayor's daughter. But Lila lost all of her power, including her friends. One by one, the class apologized to Alya and Marinette for their behavior, and they gave each of them a gift as they did so. Nino didn't get back with Alya, but he had the chance to rebuild the trust between them. Even Adrien became free from Lila's clutches, seeing as Lila couldn't blackmail him to be her boyfriend anymore. Out of options, Lila finnaly turned to the last person in Paris willing to help her...

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Marinette PoV

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Marinette was just finished putting her things away into her locker when she heard a scream. "What was that?" Tiki asked. "I don't know, but it sounds like trouble!" Marinette ran to the sounds source, her classroom. Inside she found something that looked like it came out of a nightmare, Lila was bleeding on the floor... and Alya was standing over her! "That's what happens when people lie to me!" Alya taunted the injured girl. "Alya, what are you doing?!" Alya turned and looked at Marinette with an expression she had never seen before, "Exactly what I wanted to do! Lila was supposed to be my best friend, but she shut me out and forced me to be with you!" The cruel words placed a dagger in Marinette's heart. "What...", "Don't what me! I never wanted to be friends with a loser like you!!! And now that your here..." before Alya could attack Marinette, a hazel-eyed boy appeared in the door way. "What is this." The boy asked, but it sounded more like a command to answer. "Shut up, stupid cousin!" Alya yelled. Timothy looked at Alya for what felt like an eternity for Marinette. Then he spoke, "LILA, ARE YOU IN BLACKFACE???" Suddenly, Marinette realized what was really happening. "What? No, Lila is right there!" The fake Alya claimed. Timothy threw his bag at "Lila", and she disappeared into a cloud of orange smoke. As soon as Marinette saw that, she bolted out of the classroom and into a safe space to transform.

Tiki, Spots On!

As Ladybug flew back into the classroom, the fake Alya was already gone. "Where did she go?", "that way Ladybug! That trashy girl ruined my hair!!!" Chloe told her, while pointing out a window. Ladybug swung out the window and into the day-lit city. She was eventually joined by Chat Noir, "Where is the villain, m'lady?" "That's what I'm trying to figure out..." As Ladybug stood there thinking, Chat Noir moved in to take her miraculous!

"Not so fast!"

Ladybug turned her head and saw the fake Chat attacked by a mysterious, black and blue-clad individual. Following her savior was the real Chat Noir who looked wounded. "M'lady, it's Chameleon!" Chat Noir mustered. "No, I am Lilium!" The fake Chat Noir stood up and transformed into Volpina, but the orange parts of her outfit had become snow white. "The difference is?", "The difference is that I have the powers of both Volpina and Chameleon! And I'm going to use these powers to destroy you, the dumb reporter girl, and Marinette Dupain-Cheng!" This is bad, Ladybug thought. If I get too close to her, she'll try to kiss me and knock me out! But if I don't put pressure on her, she'll run away and create an illusion to distract me. Ladybug turned to face the new comer. He wore what appeared to be a formal black tuxedo, but his undershirt was a blue hoodie that had a bird face on it. I can't see his face, it's like his hood is making it darker... or maybe he has grey face paint? The individual's black sleeves ended at his upper forearms, but he was wearing long white gloves that covered all skin. He also had a trail of feathers hanging off each of his arms, which made him look like he had wings. "Who are you?", "Pardon my surprise, but I almost can't believe you don't know me. I suppose I need to take a vacation away from New York more often then.", "New York?" Chat asked. The closer Ladybug looked at her apparent savior, the more he looked like a photo Alya had shown her the other day... "wait a minute, you're The Raptor! Chat Noir, he's a supervillain from America!" The Raptor began slow clapping. "Congratulations, would you like a cookie?" The Raptor mocked her. "Don't you dare insult my Lady!" Chat hissed as he lunged at the new villain. "Chat Noir no!" But the girl's warnings fell on dumb ears. Chat attempted to hit The Raptor with his baton, but the American slid around him as if moving in fast motion. "What?" As the cat boy turned his head, The Raptor jumped of the building they were standing on and disappeared. Where did he go? Ladybug then realized that Lilium was also gone.

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Timothy PoV

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"Hah, I escaped Ladybrat and Chat Nerd while they weren't looking! Now to come up with a plan..." Lilium was sure she was safe in the alleyway she dropped down in. A foolish mistake. "Too bad you didn't get away from me." The Raptor said as he dropped down from a roof top. Lilium look surpised, which then changed into rage. "Ugh, why are you following me! I don't even know who you are!" The Raptor responded to her question by knocking over a random trash can... which had the body of an unconscious girl in it.

"Does she ring any bells to you?" "...what!!!" Lilium's facade of confidence broke when she saw what was in front of her. Why was that girl in there, and why did he know she was in there! "Maybe this will jog your memory!" The Raptor took out a black eypatch. "Cole- Collen???" Lilium realized that the unconscious girl was one of her pawns back at school: Collen was a simple racist from America that hated all the attention Alya stole from her. So when Chloe offered her money to defame her, she was more than willing to claim it. But what is she doing here??? "Lila Rossi, you have defamed, harassed, and isolated an innocent girl in your homeroom. The Raptor punishes your kind... self important tyrants!"

"You... ahhh, ahahahHAHAHAH!!! You're that dumb islander girls cousin!" As Lila said her racist remark out loud, The Raptor jumped her. Although her akuma made her faster than a normal person, The Raptor moved faster than Lilium's eye could see. Each time he hit her, the american moved away before the villain could counter attack. Each time Lilium tried to strike him or make an illusion, The Raptor hit her ten times a second. 7 minutes past, and Lilium was defeated.

"You might think you have won! But you won't find my akuma!!!" Lilium smiled deviously at her opponent, thinking she had outsmarted him. "You mean this?" The Raptor said as he held up Lila's phone that she knew she threw into her locker at school so no one could find it. Before the black bird could break it, the akuma came out and flew into a pin on his tux.

"Dark Raptor! My name is Hawkmoth. You want to create a world without tyrants? I can give you the power to make your noble wish a reality! And in exchange-" "No." "What???" "I said, no!" The akuma was forced out of the pin, and before it could fly away, The Raptor grabbed it by the wings and ripped it apart.

The dead creature fell onto the Italian girl's shaken face. "Now... what to do with you?" The Raptor coldly asked Lila. "Wait!! I'm not a supervillain anymore!" "You will always be a villain, and never a super one." Lila wanted to run as far away as she could, but the akuma had exhausted all of her energy. "I'm not going to kill you, if that's what you are thinking. That would be too easy for you. But, I can't have you go running around telling people about my identity either. So how about a little deal, since you love making those." As The Raptor inched closer to the girl, Lila's heart beat faster and faster. "Please, I'll do anything!" Lila begged. "Hmm, how about I leave Paris for a while. And on your end, never bully anyone in your class ever again! If have even the slightest idea that you will!" "I swear I won't!!!" "Good."

The boy turned to leave, but then quickly flipped his head around. "And before I go, here's a little something to remember me by..."

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Alya PoV

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"Do you really have to go now?" Alya asked her cousin. Timothy's parents suddenly decided that it was his time to transfer back to his school in New York, and the journalist was seeing him off at the train station to his airport. "I'm really sorry Alya, but I don't have a choice. It was fun while it lasted!" "Yes, it was great seeing you again!" Alya said as she moved in for a goodbye hug. "Thank you so much for being there for me when I needed you." "I'll always be there to help you. And trust me, Lila will never bother you ever again."

As Timothy uttered those words, a shiver ran up Alya's spine. Did Timothy cause Lila's downfall? But that's impossible! But even as Alya wanted to believe that Timothy had nothing to do with what had happened over the past month, she knew that before he arrived Lila was at the height of her power... and as her cousin was leaving, Lila was sitting in a hospital bed with a twisted ankle. The liar had lost all her friends, allies, and status so quickly, and now she was on her way to a mental health institution for her "lying" disease. Said institution was primarily for mentally ill criminals, since it was discovered Lila had willing worked with Hawkmoth on a school tape.

As Alya thought about all these things, her sad smile had turned into a frown. And as Timothy got on the train and thought about what he accomplished, his natural expression had turned into a smile from ear to ear...

I finnaly did it. I ended the miraculous salt fic genre with facts and an overpowerd oc. The evil has finnaly been defeated!!! Hopefully bïtches don't make more Alya salt fics so I don't have to make a fic to spite them.

I am tempted to write a salt fic where the si character beats up a bunch of ocs that bad mouth Alya

[generalluxun]

Okay, so I've been trying to conceive an explanation that doesn't make every teacher Chloe has ever had completely incompetent. But the best I've come up with is that anytime a teacher tried to discuss Chloe's serious education problems with Andre, he responded by getting them fired, which is a little too salty of a take even for him. And that would still imply a rather terrifying level of incompetence and corruption within the Parisian school system.

Literally every school Chloe has ever attended needs to be investigated to determine just how bad the situation is. Because if she really got away with this, she is most certainly not the only student that was failed by the system.

Congrats MLB writers, in your attempt to vilify Chloe for being dumb, you accidently salted the entire school system.

Basically, yes. Season 5 is absolutely rife with 'we didn't give a damn about narrative cohesion, we just slapped our personal desires on paper'. It's not even just Chloé either. The others have similar moments, and it's only going to get worse in the remaining episodes. It is actually baffling to me. Forget anti-Chloé agenda, it's like the entire writing team is just sick of ML at this point. If so, fire them and hire some of these amazing fanfic authors the community has.

Personally I don't feel it's too salty of a take for Andre, though not 'fired' just intimidated. He is the 'Symbol of Paris' if you recall. Anything that looks bad must be ignored.

Check out my 'Miraculous Gothic AU' for my current opinion of the Bourgeois parents. The current fic going up 'Being Bull Headed' will have them showing up near the end.

[purrincess-chat]

🚫🚫Anti Marinette Defense Squad Don't Interact 🚫🚫

[me4ml]

Why don't you like Maribat? Why do you think it's a spite or salt ship?

This is presumably because of my Adrigaminette post or the whole Maribat being on the ship list thing.

Quick disclaimer: if you read/ship/write/like Maribat, cool! This is not an attack. This is me answering why I, personally, do not like it. It’s tagged anti, and salt, so it should be filtered. Please don’t harass me over it.

Another note before we start: a lot of what I’m about to write is based on what I’ve read, fic wise or meta, and I blocked off the Maribat tag and fandom a long time ago. It may have changed over there-I doubt it, and I have zero desire to go and look-but this is based on what I’ve seen and read about.

There are, principally, three reasons I can’t stand Maribat, why I think it’s a spite/salt ship.

1). I don’t like Damian Wayne.

2). I don’t like how Damian and the DCU are written in Maribat.

3). Maribat is a mutated salt fic.

If you want to see my reasons why, the rest is under the read more.

1). I don’t like Damian Wayne.

Damian’s not just my least favorite Robin, ranking behind any of the others who have born the name. He’s my least favorite Batfam sidekick overall.

Part of this is his introduction, where he’s a violent, murderous, arrogant, entitled, snotty little brat of a thug. Lest we forget, one of his first acts is to go out, kill a guy, cut off his head, stuff a grenade into the decapitated head’s mouth, and try to blow up Tim. This is his introduction! There are a number of other occasions, including how he treats Jon, his best friend, and the rest of his siblings.

Another part is that he believes that he deserves to be Robin simply because he’s Bruce’s son, and therefore has the blood right to be Robin, to become Batman, and damn anyone else, who are all pretenders. Doesn’t matter that those characters might have a right to become Robin, or the future Batman, he’s the bio son, he deserves it!

Additionally, Damian feels.....not unnecessary, but repetitive, in his actions/characterization. There are other characters who can perform pretty much the same way for whatever storyline is necessary, without including Damian.

Trained by an abusive family to be the best, as an assassin and warrior? Cassandra.

A killer who breaks the main rule of his mentor, which causes tension and strain in the family? Jason.

Incredibly intelligent and talented? Tim.

Damian isn’t unique in what he does, and while that can make him an interesting character, it can also make the focus on him unnecessary.

As well, so much of Damian’s actions and motivations feels like he gets away with stuff, in-universe, because he’s Bruce’s biological son, and so Bruce gives him too much slack, and out-universe, because the writers let him/the fans will defend him. He gets woobified, or leather pantsed. Which leads to:

2). I don’t like how Damian and the DCU are written for Maribat.

For all his (numerous) faults, when written well, Damian can be an interesting character. For example: How does he deal with being deeply insecure? By putting on a mask of arrogance and overconfidence.

Some more examples: How does Damian act like an actual child, when he’s never had a childhood? How can he be a hero, if he’s been trained to be a killer? Can he ever catch up to his siblings, or will he feel like they’re always better than him?

Damian’s sense of being Batman’s son, of being the heir to the Cowl, slams right up against the idea of the Batfam: that there are people who have just as much of a right to call Batman their father/father figure, people who are just as talented and skilled and capable as Damian himself is, if not more. Watching Damian develop, when he’s written right, is actually enjoyable; mainly because when it’s done right, it shows Damian actually progressing and growing, becoming more of a person, with friends and interests. Most times, seeing Damian with his pets can be adorable, same with when he hangs out with Jon.

Is he still a brat? Still sometimes a bit too much of a Demon, an al-Ghul? Yes, but that’s always going to be part of him, and as long as he’s shown to try and grow, or gets called out on that, it’s less of an issue (There’s a completely different rant to be written about how DC likes to chuck character development or backstory into the trash when it suits them for a new run. Damian gets hit with this, as does Tim, or they get handed the idiot/conflict ball, but not the space for it).

Maribat hurls this all out the window. Damian’s bad traits are all “fixed” offscreen-he’s developed, matured, gotten better, whatever you want to call it. It’s basically a writer’s hand wave to make Damian into the character who will be the lead of the story, perfectly suited for his main role of being Marinette’s boyfriend and utterly devoted to her every whim and will. He’s enchanted by her at first glimpse, and defends her against everyone who hates her, because no one can understand her like he can!

Uh, what? This is not Damian Wayne. Even at his best, he’s no broody boy, pulled from his “dark path” by the love of a gentle girl. He’s a Jerk with a Heart of Gold-emphasis on the Jerk. There’s a reason his nickname usually involves “Demon.” Is Damian trying to get better? Yes. But even then, he’s not the type to immediately fall in love. He takes a while to warm up to people, for them to earn his trust, and Marinette would not be like that?

Let’s say that Robin is in Paris for a case, he runs into Ladybug and Chat, and after they explains what’s going on, Robin gives them a stare over his mask, and goes “TT! What a worthless hero, I would have caught him already.” LB and Chat would probably want to deck him, and that’s before he keeps talking.

Same with if Damian transfers to the class, or they meet on a field trip to Gotham. Damian’s not gonna care about some random French teenagers on a tour, or if he was transferred he’s gonna be trying to figure out why his father sent him to Paris, and be focused on the mission, not making friends.

Of all of the Robins, the ones that would be the most likely to capture Marinette’s interest would be Dick or Tim, not Damian. He would remind her too much of Chloe, as Damian, and as Robin, he would be dismissive of Ladybug’s abilities, which would absolutely piss her, and Chat Noir, off.

In characters that aren’t Damian, no one seems to be written properly over in Maribatland. One huge example is that Marinette is so beloved, so pure, that she can make any character fall in love with her, and reform by her pure goodness, including a fic where the Joker-THE JOKER!-becomes her “Uncle J,” and pranks Lila on her behalf.

Uh-huh. Sure. Completely and totally something that one of the biggest, most sadistic twisted, notorious villains in pop culture would do. Maribat winds up worshipping the ground that Marinette walks on, cause she’s “Teh best evar!”

Which then leads to my third and final point:

3). The whole Maribat concept is a mutated salt fic.

Most of the themes you’ll find in Maribat? You will find in nearly every salt fic.

Maybe my biggest issue with the whole Maribat idea is that it doesn’t feel like a proper crossover, which, at their best, explore how characters from one universe and their rules would interact with characters from another universe, and the rules of that one. Putting ML and DC together is a rich opportunity to play with concepts in both worlds!

And yet, it’s mainly used to bash ML characters who the writers despise, predominantly Adrien, Alya, and Lila, with members of the class thrown in depending on feeling, and potentially even Marinette’s parents! The only “good” ML characters are the ones who are on Marinette’s side, usually Luka, Kagami, a Chloe who for some reason has been redeemed and is now Marinette’s best friend, and whatever members of the class the writer decides to throw in there.

You’ll notice it’s not called “MiracuBat”, or LadyBat and Bat Noir-it’s MariBat. It’s meant as a focus on Marinette, making her-the hero of the Miraculous Ladybug franchise, someone in-story in story who is incredibly smart and talented and the leader of her team, future Guardian-even more awesome.....by beating down everyone else around her.

Marinette is simultaneously treated as an beaten-up, beaten-down walked-on carpet, and the best person to ever exist ever, go who only needs a group of new, different, better people to recognize that and save her from the clutches of those greedy and ungrateful assholes! That doesn’t include the fics where she’s the unknown child of a superhero or supervillain, making her even more special.

It’s Chameleon salt, class salt, with pointy ears and a cape on.

Some specific examples.

Adrien: Adrien is a spineless doormat who prioritizes Lila over Marinette, or an entitled bastard sexual harasser, only fixated on Ladybug, or even both. Sometimes it’ll get worse, as Adrien will threaten or abandon Marinette if she steps off of his “high road,” and Chat will be a budding rapist, stalking or capturing Marinette after he’s learned she’s Ladybug, while ignoring her prior to that. He will, of course, have his ring stripped and handed off to Damian, who is the “true” soul of Destruction and so therefore a “perfect match” to Marinette’s Creation soul. Occasionally it will be Jason, or Tim, or Dick, but the key thing is that it’s not Adrien!

While Damian’s issues are magically fixed, Adrien gets no such courtesy. Adrien has been abused, just like Damian, and while Damian’s abuse is more extensive and extreme, abuse is abuse. If anything, if Damian met Adrien, he would probably see another abused kid, and want to be his friend/have his “adopt stray person!” Instincts go off. I can much more imagine Damian dragging a bewildered Adrien into the Batcave and yelling “Father I’ve found another one for you to adopt!” than I can Damian immediately hating Adrien, or Chat, simply for breathing.

We never see Clark taking Adrien under his wing, or Bruce, or any of the other Batfam; nor any of the other Justice Leaguers. We never see Selina try to fight Bruce over the kid, because he’s cat-themed, and Selina can train him, this one’s hers Bat, get off!

Adrien’s never treated as a kid, or given actual development. A major complaint among salters is that Adrien is treated as perfect and never develops, and in fic, rather than developing him, Adrien either remains static, with his flaws narratively exploded, or is developed negatively. He’s there to be beaten up on and punished by the writers, if not actually physically beaten up by characters in the fic.

Alya: the not-so-good friend, the cheap excuse for a journalist, the awful person who abandons Marinette for Lila and her “connections.” Never mind that Alya was Marinette’s friend from the beginning, or that Marinette’s chosen her multiple times for a Miraculous. One instance of questioning Marinette about Lila, and Alya’s a backstabbing bitch.

Maribat treats Alya as neglectful, bossy, domineering and submissive at the same time to Marinette and Lila respectively, and as a journalist, the worst of the worst. She’s played as a two-bit paparazzo, and once again, the DCU is used to punish her. We don’t see Alya get mentored by Lois or Clark-indeed, if they notice her, it’s with disdain or disappointment. Often, they’re crushing her under their heel, calling her not only a bad journalist, but a bad friend/person. This forgetting, of course, that Alya runs her blog as a hobby so far, she’s only a teenager, and that she’s had Marinette’s back against Chloe and Lila.

The Class: the dupes or allies as needed. Class salt levels depend on what the writer needs. If they’re pro-class, they’re all on Marinette’s side, aside from Alya Adrien and Lila. Chloe, for some ungodly reason, is “redeemed” nigh instantaneously, and often will become Marinette’s best friend, if that isn’t Kagami already. Kagami will drop Adrien like a wet tissue, never trying to reconcile him with the clas, or encourage him to stand up for himself, or if she does, Adrien, of course, will not listen.

If the writer is anti-class, whoo boy. Openly mentally, emotionally, physically abusive to Marinette, the worst gang of people you would ever have the displeasure of meeting, they all need to be in Arkham.

We never see any of the class make friends with the Batfam, the Titans, Young Justice-unless they’re on Marinette’s side, of course. There’s no Alix stopping Selina at the Louvre, for instance, or Max hanging out with Babs. It’s all based on how Marinette is treated as to whether or not the class is portrayed as being worse than the worst of the Rogues Gallery.

Wrapping it all up, Maribat has made me dislike the entire concept of a DC/ML crossover.

Even if someone had written an non-salt, in-character crossover, I don’t know if I would read it, simply because the well has been that poisoned.

[soulmate-game]

Hey I just read @moonlitceleste ‘s Guide to Maribat, which I think is a really important read if you haven’t seen it already. But it brings up a question for me.

How many other writers/Maribat fans have received direct hate during either the First or Second waves? (If you don’t know what I’m talking about, it is all explained in Moonlit’s post, which is linked above.)

For those of you who don’t know, I joined the Maribat community early in January 2020 as a writer, with my fic The Heroes’ Game (find it on AO3 😉) but I had read a lot of fics beforehand.

I will admit, I wasn’t originally a Maribat supporter— but I wasn’t an anti either. I’ve always abided by the “Don’t like, move on with your life,” rule, and a lot of the first Maribat fics I saw were salt fics I ran into while looking for general Batfam stuff. I was actually a comic fan before ML, and in fact Maribat is the only reason I got into ML at all. But that’s beside the point. The salt rubbed me the wrong way, so I just ignored it and move on— but I’m also a huge supporter of the “wait a while, the fandom might get better,” way of thinking. So a few months later, I ran into the first Maribat story I liked— and was subsequently hooked.

That brings me to my point— if I joined the fandom in Jan 2020, that puts me in the prime position to receive backlash from Wave 2. Especially since you guys are amazing, and got me past 500 kudos in 7 days. A week, and my story had gained a lot of attention. And then I started this tumblr, which (guys why are 1k of you following me this is weird but I love you all) obviously added to the avenues people could use to confront me about their anti-Maribat woes.

I haven’t gotten a single Anti rant. The most discourse I’ve had to deal with is the Lila anon popping up exactly once, and then disappearing forever. And I’m not sayin this to brag, I’m legit confused. Is there something we did differently that made them see me as not being a viable target? Because if we can figure that out, then hell. We can give tips to try and lessen the sort of shit we have to go through later, if/when another wave of hate hits. If I did something that made people not wanna mess with me (hilarious, because I’m fucking intimidating as a dandelion) then we should share that with everyone who makes Maribat content in the hopes that it wheedles down the amount of bullshit people say to us.

Obviously this isn’t a foolproof plan, and nothing I do/say can make things go down to zero. But I legit didn’t know Wave Two was a thing until I read Moonlit’s post, despite being prime target material for the time, and I only knew Wave One was a thing because it was like looking at the extremist side of someone with vaguely similar opinions as myself.

So. How many of you felt backlash from Wave 2 (or 1) and what can we do to brainstorm solutions/preventions for if there is a Wave 3?

[scriptythelonely]

List of things I have read in the ML Salt Tag that make me a liiitle uncomfortable or makes me roll my eyes.

Alya getting arrested for her blog. (In canon, I'm pretty sure Alya hasn't even POSTED the interview yet, just inquired on a potential interview with Lila)

Marinette suddenly can charm everyone and their mother, and has so many convoluted connections that it makes Lila's lies look almost BELIEVABLE in comparison.

No seriously, i read a story where she charmed Batman's rouge gallery, INCLUDING the Joker. Yknow, the guy who murdered Jason Todd (a literal teen)??

Once read a post in which bad luck happened to the class. One of the Bulletin points literally said "Rose's kitchen burns down when she tries to make cupcakes". Wtf. That's not pettiness, that's ARSON

Speaking of attempted murder, Akumatized Marinette stories after chameleon REALLY amped up seriously harming the class. Like... I can count 7 out of 70+ akumas that have the potential to kill someone??? They're not harmless, but they're certainly not murderous.

Mari being paired up with complete assholes because 'Adrien has no Spine'. (Adrien is an abuse victim that has no idea he's an abuse victim, you cant entirely blame him -_-) These include Damian Wayne (child soldier and complete asshole who thinks hes better than everyone else) Felix (a total stereotype of every broody anti-hero ever) and even CHLOE. (Do i have to explain this one?)

Portraying Marinette as someone who's a patron saint. Didnt she... Oh, idk... SAY SHE ISN'T PERFECT???

On the flip-side, Pettynette. Turns her into Chloe 2.0. Let's see... Friends who agree with literally everything she says (and have no personality other than salt), uses connections to screw over everyone just because they didn't immediately bend over and agree, takes extreme pleasure in above statement...

The fact that her 'New Friend Group' is always the same group (Marc, Aurore, Felix, Those Quantic Kids, Kagami, Luka, Adrien and Chloe ((depends on writer))

Literally everyone's characteristics is erased. Only Chameleon and Ladybug matter in Salt Fics. Lets forget alllllll about all the good times and just be salty.

And this is only the things i can think of right now.

People can happily consume salt and make salt but like... Some of you guys just take it too far that it makes me worried. 😟

Too much salt isn't good for anyone.

[young-tired-and-weary]

"You guys" obviously refer to the anti Ml salt group as a whole and not you specifically.

And the only Salters I see being "rude" to the Anti salt group is after they [the anti salt person] has said some nasty stuff about the writer/fic, usually on the writers work instead of just making a post of their own against salt. If your doing that, then I fully believe your going out of your way to view and read salt and others are allowed to tell you off for that.

So block the tag and if you come across anything that you believe is salt, ask the creator to tag it as such and move on.

Not to kick a hornet's nest either, but I'm getting really annoyed of how some ml salters are telling off the anti ml salt crowd. "Just block the tag!" sure, but that doesn't change the fact people are allowed to vent their hate for the fandom. And consider that even if they do block the tag, some salt will get pass the filters. Just let people vent about the bad side of the fandom. If you guys can vent about your hate for the show, why can't you anti ml salt side do the same for the fandom?

[plumsaffron]

Miracusalters roast Pt. 7!

So, if salt fic!characters have flaws, shitty behaviors and criminal charges (yes I’m including “Saltinette’s” aka Marinette, the salt writers who claim to adore her yet they turn her into a monster) theirs would be:

Bystander syndrome

Cowardice/spinelessness

Short temperedness

Unprofessional behavior (you know who I’m referring to)

Cultish behaviors (leader(s) is absolute, with me or against me mentality)

Inclusivity bias (dissing other groups for not “siding” with them)

Delusions of grandeur (main/major/recurring characters thinking they’re the top of the world)

Misappropriation of funds (usually Lila stealing money from classmates to buy things she wants)

Criminal conspiracies

Conspiracies to commit murder

Theft (again, Lila is the victim of the salt fic writers)

Misinformation

Plagiarism (I stg the salt fics have way too similar formulas by even just remembering them)

(Aggravated) assault and battery

Abuse (familial, domestic, etc. you get the drift)

Murder

Attempted murder

Suicide baiting

THIS

Them salt writers denial game so strong they aren’t even able to see they are doing magnificent acts of disservice to who they adore.

Oof I just stumbled on a Lila steal fic while scrolling here today before seeing this.

But yeah mhm. These losers manage to become or transcend the mindset of the very things they write or salt about.

And they like committing/seeing copy paste Stale Template Trash.

They do love the mission of spreading misinformation (which is more amusing considering their unstable hatred or mockery of certain tricksters) and then blame characters that they think should be immune.

Drag down whoever they feel didn’t align with their cult how they feel, didn’t align correctly as wished, or involve characters that don’t need to be involved.

Speaking of conspiracies, I remember some dweeb reviewer (They deleted their blog) was able to acknowledge that Juleka was sacrificed hard again by Marinette but proceeds wanting Lila to be a serial killer and proceeds pretty much blaming Lila solely.

[plumsaffron]

Wait hold on, you got a temporary ban on another social media platform bc of your words? Dang, they really can’t take it when somebody else dishes it out on them! Good thing I don’t have an account on that app/service.

I’m guessing their sentences and grammar are worse than a child’s or something? Illogical and nonsensical compared to you and the people we talk to?

Who the heck throws a hissy fit on a literal kids’ show? What is wrong with them? The show is aimed for elementary school children! Why are these people even hating on preschoolers’ shows when there’s other things out there!? Leave them alone!

But seriously, on some salt fics the writers decided to make Lila say some anti-Asian stuff like comparing one to another.

Indeed, it’s totally strange. Certain Telegram users now wanna be suddenly hurt after the many days. Run away and report me instead of communicate what I did that could have somehow broke them. They could have ignored or blocked me but nah they rather make things inconvenient for me.

Those salt fic writers really need to get a life.

Eh, those bored bastards are too far gone.

[plumsaffron]

Alright so the miracusalters’ criminal (behavior) charges are coming in! Drumroll please! (Yes, I’m referring to the salt characters lol. Out of consideration for sensitive ppl, I’m censoring certain words.)

Recklessness

Refusing to take responsibility or see reason

Stupidity

Public Disturbance aka causing a scene

Bystander syndrome, Cowardice & spinelessness

Short temperedness

Bigotry

Unprofessional behavior

Close mindedness aka tunnelvision & Cultish behaviors (so in the Lila vs Marinette spats, I STG both groups are like sheep)

Inclusivity bias (dissing other groups for not "siding" with them)

Delusions of grandeur (antagonists thinking they could get away with their crimes)

Criminal conspiracies

Embezzlement and misappropriation of funds

Theft & Plagiarism (salt!Lila would do this for more attention)

Misinformation & false rumors

Social Isolation; Emotional, Verbal and Physical Bullying (salt!Lila instigates whenever she wants to or feels like it by convincing her followers that her enemy bullied or hurt her but she did that to herself.)

Hacking and Sending Viruses to computers (yes, I remember a TVTropes Ron the Death Eater ML page had a certain character do this to Marinette’s computer… and this fic took place during a certain world pandemic that already passed on.)

Doxxing

Stalking & Harassment (verbal, s3xual, etc.)

(Aggravated) assault and battery

Intent to cause (severe) harm/injury

Conspiracies to commit murder

(Attempted) murder or Homicide

Conspiracies to drive someone to off themselves & Su!c!de baiting

Abuse (familial, domestic, etc. you get the drift)

Attempted SA or SA that already happened (Adrien and/or Lila are the writing victims of this shocking act just to make Marinette and whatever OC victims look sympathetic. But I honestly feel more bad for the OCs more than Marinette bc it actually happened to them in the fics rather than Marinette in canon… she wasn’t even driven into those nasty scenarios in canon but the writers seriously sunk that fucking low.)

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[plumsaffron]

Miracutwats roast pt. 15

Everytime a salt fic writer gaslights their readers into thinking a character is evil, writes a character gaslighting others and etc., I’d pinch my nose and wave my hand as if someone has passed gas.

If any of us anti salt/character bashing folk had a quarter for every salt fic chapter in existence, we’d be well off for a while.

I bet the miracutards looovve their salt fics like druggies loving their cocaine! *just remembered a Sr Pelo animation: Mokey’s Show - 422. As offensive as it is for some folks, it’s actually quite hilarious and I’d take those types of animation any day over the dumbasses’ character assassination fics.*

Hey mircumethheads! Marinette isn’t the poor wittle abuse victim y’all want her to be! Adrien is! Yes she should’ve also handled the Lila incidents more respectfully instead of unintentionally making herself look like a fool in her civilian life! I mean doesn’t Lila trick others into thinking her opponents are more cruel than they appear? Like she’s baiting Marinette who was just jumping to conclusions too fast.

Ayo that Lila Tinnitus Seethe Disorder/LTSD be hitting you stupid miracucunts hard eh?

Oh so now some to most of you miracutwits stopped uploading your poorly conceived fics huh? Hm the last time you upload for one of your blogs was at 2020 or 2021? Daaannggg… I wonder how many blogs you’ve created and abandoned, couldn’t maintain them for so long eh?

Ok ok, why are y’all doing the “with me or against me” mentality? Bet that shit’s finally leaking in your real life subconsciously!

Miracusaltards and ML Salter Fic Writers Snorting Session Be Like

I suppose they mastered the art of being The Great Marimites.

They really like whacking off at being colossal clowns.

Maybe them miracuwanks, secretly want to be Lila’s disciples too, considering she said to Marinette she’d give her to sometime to be either with her or against her (while I know they would obviously ignore Marinette’s being a repeated nuisance to her and threatening her and continuing her quest against her episodes after.).

The LTSD was so severe, ringing in their feeble minds. The irony of I Loathe Lila so much but I snort her very words to become all of me and beyond. And then I go crap or attempt on anyone not on my side or interests. This illness I gave myself because of her was such a travesty that I became allergic to Adrien’s perspective and that he a victim. Going so far to miracubate into thinking he’s Marinette’s victimizer/guilt tripper, and Marinette is the true and only victim.

Everyone in real life that isn’t subservient to my perspective because of what I’ve witnessed Adrien and her friends not doing what Marinette or I want is FOUL and must be seen as to be SAVED or SMEARED. Join me and let’s salt them, salt lore up them, or any minor inconveniences we can let go of, forever.

Kind of ironic. I kind of noticed character assassination fic writers be merking themselves too. Oh well to the bashers’ own character. Then again, that’s salters/bashers in a nutshell.