#anti john kramer

[ranjxtul]

john kramer: ah yes i love all of my apprentices dearly. they’re almost like a family I never quite had! there’s my daughter amanda, my favorite, and larry, he’s quite accomplished and i also love… reads smugged writing on the back of his hand marker hofferboy, he’s a detective i think

[antiparticular]

it's kind of fucked up how being john's 'favourite' actively harmed amanda so much. he tests her 3 times, intended to test her 4 (she was supposed to be bloodboarded), leaves her scarred both mentally and physically. hoffman, on the other hand, only gets 'tested' by john twice*, and the first one didn't even have any risk of harm to him. to a normal person that may make it seem like hoffman were his favourite, but john is incredibly abnormal and his testing mandy is him trying to help her. they're all vying for john's favour and yet john's favour is what got amanda killed.

*the unloaded shotgun chair, and the reverse bear trap. I don't count the ice trap as he was never even under the impression he would get hurt, and him being put in the bathroom was less a trap from john and more lawrence getting rid of him in him own way.

[keereejou]

putting Hello Zep into my playlist and pressing shuffle, waiting for it to hit suddenly when i'm on the train and put the fear of kramer in me

[sawiiiangeltrap]

lemme guess... your favorite actor is totally Jared Leto huh? am i right?

[spacelazarwolf]

in honor of that anon who said jews have done nothing for the world, here’s a non exhaustive list of things we’ve done for the world:

arts, fashion, and lifestyle:

jeans - levi strauss

modern bras - ida rosenthal

sewing machines - isaac merritt singer

modern film industry - carl laemmle (universal pictures), adolph zukor (paramount pictures), william fox (fox film forporation), louis b. mayer (mgm - metro-goldwyn-mayer), harry, sam, albert, and jack warners (warner bros.), steven spielberg, mel brooks, marx brothers

operetta - jacques offenbach

comic books - stan lee

graphic novels - will eisner

teddy bears - morris and rose michtom

influential musicians - irving berlin, stephen sondheim, benny goodman, george gershwin, paul simon, itzhak perlman, leonard bernstein, bob dylan, leonard cohen

artists - mark rothko

actors - elizabeth taylor, jerry lewis, barbara streisand

comedians - lenny bruce, joan rivers, jerry seinfeld

authors - judy blume, tony kushner, allen ginsberg, walter mosley

culture:

esperanto - ludwik lazar zamenhof

feminism - betty friedan, gloria steinem, ruth bader ginsberg

queer and trans rights - larry kramer, harvey milk, leslie feinberg, abby stein, kate bornstein, frank kameny, judith butler

international women's day - clara zetkin

principles of journalizm, statue of liberty, and pulitzer prize - joseph pulitzer

"the new colossus" - emma lazarus

universal declaration of human rights - rene samuel cassin

holocaust remembrance and human rights activism - elie wiesel

workers rights - louis brandeis, rose schneiderman

public health care, women's rights, and children's rights - lillian wald

racial equity - rabbi abraham joshua heschel, julius rosenwald, andrew goodman, michael schwerner

political theory - hannah arendt

disability rights - judith heumann

black lives matter slogan and movement - alicia garza

#metoo movement - jodi kantor

institute of sexology - magnus hirschfeld

technology:

word processing computers - evelyn berezin

facebook - mark zuckerberg

console video game system - ralph henry baer

cell phones - amos edward joel jr., martin cooper

3d - leonard lipton

telephone - philipp reis

fax machines - arthur korn

microphone - emile berliner

gramophone - emile berliner

television - boris rosing

barcodes - norman joseph woodland and bernard silver

secret communication system, which is the foundation of the technology used for wifi - hedy lamarr

three laws of robotics - isaac asimov

cybernetics - norbert wiener

helicopters - emile berliner

BASIC (programming language) - john george kemeny

google - sergey mikhaylovich brin and larry page

VCR - jerome lemelson

fax machine - jerome lemelson

telegraph - samuel finley breese morse

morse code - samuel finley breese morse

bulletproof glass - edouard benedictus

electric motor and electroplating - boris semyonovich jacobi

nuclear powered submarine - hyman george rickover

the internet - paul baran

icq instant messenger - arik vardi, yair goldfinger,, sefi vigiser, amnon amir

color photography - leopold godowsky and leopold mannes

world's first computer - herman goldstine

modern computer architecture - john von neumann

bittorrent - bram cohen

voip internet telephony - alon cohen

data archiving - phil katz, eugene roshal, abraham lempel, jacob ziv

nemeth code - abraham nemeth

holography - dennis gabor

laser - theodor maiman

instant photo sharing online - philippe kahn

first automobile - siegfried samuel marcus

electrical maglev road - boris petrovich weinberg

drip irrigation - simcha blass

ballpoint pen and automatic gearbox - laszlo biro

photo booth - anatol marco josepho

medicine:

pacemakers and defibrillators - louise robinovitch

defibrillators - bernard lown

anti-plague and anti-cholera vaccines - vladimir aronovich khavkin

polio vaccine - jonas salk

test for diagnosis of syphilis - august paul von wasserman

test for typhoid fever - ferdinand widal

penicillin - ernst boris chain

pregnancy test - barnhard zondek

antiretroviral drug to treat aids and fight rejection in organ transplants - gertrude elion

discovery of hepatitis c virus - harvey alter

chemotherapy - paul ehrlich

discovery of prions - stanley prusiner

psychoanalysis - sigmund freud

rubber condoms - julius fromm

birth control pill - gregory goodwin pincus

asorbic acid (vitamin c) - tadeusz reichstein

blood groups and rh blood factor - karl landsteiner

acyclovir (treatment for infections caused by herpes virus) - gertrude elion

vitamins - caismir funk

technique for measuring blood insulin levils - rosalyn sussman yalow

antigen for hepatitus - baruch samuel blumberg

a bone fusion technique - gavriil abramovich ilizarov

homeopathy - christian friedrich samuel hahnemann

aspirin - arthur ernst eichengrun

science:

theory of relativity - albert einstein

theory of the electromagnetic field - james maxwell

quantum mechanics - max born, gustav ludwig hertz

quantum theory of gravity - matvei bronstein

microbiology - ferdinand julius cohn

neuropsychology - alexander romanovich luria

counters for x-rays and gamma rays - robert hofstadter

genetic engineering - paul berg

discovery of the antiproton - emilio gino segre

discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation - arno allan penzias

discovery of the accelerating expansion of the universe - adam riess and saul merlmutter

discovery that black hole formation is a robust prediction of the general theory of relativity - roger penrose

discovery of a supermassive compact object at the center of the milky way - andrea ghez

modern cosmology and the big bang theory - alexander alexandrovich friedmann

stainless steel - hans goldschmidt

gas powered vehicles

interferometer - albert abraham michelson

discovery of the source of energy production in stars - hans albrecht bethe

proved poincare conjecture - grigori yakovlevich perelman

biochemistry - otto fritz meyerhof

electron-positron collider - bruno touschek

[filmnoirsbian]

Every Saw movie I watch is just another episode of the John Kramer Is A Hypocrite Show. "I've never murdered anyone, I always give them a choice" except for that guy you literally killed when he broke out of your first trap 🙄 "I despise murderers" except for that guy you caught using your serial killing legacy to kill a guy and then took on as your protégé who then fyi went on to go full Michael Myers AND kill your beloved (ex)wife AFTER you axed your other protégé Amanda for killing like 3 people #misogyny "It can never be personal" EXCEPT FOR LIKE THE DOZEN PEOPLE YOU KNEW PERSONALLY AND PUT INTO TRAPS BC THEY WRONGED YOU. NEED WE GO ON. "Everyone in my traps deserves to be there" bro you think addiction and straight up murder are the same I cannae take you seriously 🙄 if John Kramer was real I'd be making anti-Jigsaw posts ragging on him constantly and wake up in a trap and just go Oh so mister pig man can't take constructive criticism now? Gonna go build an edgy rube goldberg machine about it? Gonna go get another lackey because you and your little old man goatee can't do any heavy lifting? God you're emo. 🙄

[shittysawtraps]

was kramer pro or anti union? could amanda have unionized if she wanted to?

john kramer is desperate to have all of his apprentices get along and focus on their jobs and stop trying to murder each other, so if they teamed up and asked for better pay i think he'd cry tears of joy

[knightsickness]

john kramer being ‘against murder’ while doing all that is frequently joked about but him claiming to be anti-revenge kind of funnier. the elaborate setup years after my death to kill hoffman when he inevitably murders my ex wife isnt a revenge plot it was just because murder is wrong and hoffmans a murderer. for some reason he needed to be inescapable-tested after this one specifically despite having already been a bona fide serial killer. sure man

[mirroredmemoriez]

With my other poll coming to an end in a day, I thought I’d make another because I may even implement these into a one of my character study type posts!

One thing I’ll state first is that there isn’t really a correct way to handle grief. The way people deal with it and show it can differ from person to person! However wording that for a poll is quite long winded…. I also want it to be a bit open so there is room for discussions.

Moving on- I think that Lynn may be the one to sweep this poll. But at some points I believe this is due to the fact that people will only be looking at these characters through the lens of what happened during their run in with Jigsaw.

Which I don't think really is where people should hone in on, because it's imbalanced. Lynn does not have to come face to face with her grief within her test like Jeff does. We have no real basis to know how she'd handle that besides assumptions based off of her as a character. Other things to remember is the fact that Jeff actually WITNESSED Dylan get hit by the car. This isn’t to say his grief is more powerful than Lynn’s, but it is a factor to dwell on! Witnessing your own child’s death right in front of your eyes is a very heavy thing to deal with.

Moving on! Here’s some snips off their Saw Wiki’s…. I'll get it out of the way that both neglect Corbett and one another.

As individuals? Jeff has depression and an obsession with vengeance in regards to those involved and linked to his son's death. We see him drunk and threatening himself with a gun, picturing his reflection to be Timothy Young- But we also get to see how he let's this grief impact his daughter and the disregard for Corbett's own feelings.... At the end of the day she did lose a sibling, yet Jeff's focus is on a plush pig being missing from Dylan's room. On to Lynn. She also has depression and is constantly taking anti-depressants to try and stabilise herself. Lynn is having an affair with a man named Chris and her job performance is slipping, which in her line of work can mean life or death for a patient. We never get to see her interact with Corbett.

Anyway, I’ll stop the rambling here… Below are some of my previous little Denlon studies.

[pyr0cue]

He stuck a bunch of poles through her body and forced her to take the life of another person while inflicting incredible pain on herself…

“This trap doesn’t make sense because jigsaw is punishing this woman for being a victim of domestic abuse” well yes you are supposed to think. Hm. Maybe jigsaw is stupid and wrong and a bad person with a twisted definition of punishment and retribution!

[citrine-elephant]

for the bitches (affectionate) who wanna put leon in a saw trap

-> john kramer is unfair as fuck and tries to convince himself he is doing good. whoever in-universe is tormenting leon, that should be considered

-> leon himself is a slave to the government right? it's not like he could easily go rogue and free himself. that's the theme. "breaking your chains" kinda shit. definitely acab/anti-capitalist/imperialist themes to interject here lol. but maybe the idea is to convince him to go rogue... or join whomever the baddie(s) are.

-> detective rigg was put in a trap because he was too focused on saving people. and i guess his tendency to breach doors w/o it being cleared. we know leon is willing to risk his life at a moment's notice to save someone, so that's definitely an idea lol. gets seriously injured trying to help someone... recovers... relives the horrors and is punished for it.

-> and to that point, leon's so willing to sacrifice himself. again, kramer is not fair and doesn't hold to his philosophy. he kills innocents all the time. you can absolutely include someone totally innocent in leon's trap.

use poetry to be cruel, is what i'm getting at. predict human behavior. or something. go with the intended philosophy and make them bitches hypocrites lol

currently brewing up an idea with a HEAVILY misguided group who convince themselves they're "the good guys" and absolutely do 0 good things. (like john going after corruption and greed) -> leads to "testing" leon to see if he's good enough for their cause. or, trying to convince him to join them with brutality. or even, they refuse to take a "no" from him and keep on with it.

[gallyg]

Leigh Whannell writes about victims

The focus of Leigh Whannell's films tends not to be the monster or the murderer. Look at Insidious or any of his more recent standalone films, and this is obvious. So it's interesting to ponder the Saw franchise which has infamously focused on Jigsaw as a character more and more over the years, to the point where he is unambiguously the protagonist and anti-hero of the most recent film, Saw X. Of course, Leigh Whannell didn't write Saw X or any of the Saw films since Saw III, but even within that original trilogy, Jigsaw is a very developed character, arguably moreso than any other character in all three films except Amanda, who is also a villain... right?

Obviously Amanda is a monster who has robbed the earth of countless years of human life (or whatever) but is that "who she is" in Saw II and Saw III, the movies where she is a main character? I think not. Especially in Saw III, Amanda is presented as a Jigsaw victim. Not just someone who suffered the indignity of the reverse bear trap, but someone who John Kramer, the Jigsaw killer, used and discarded when he deemed her no longer useful. It was not a good turn for Amanda's life, to become the disciple of a mass murderer.

In a very real way, Amanda is the one who suffered the most out of anybody in the first three Saw films. Remember, it's 2006. Dr. Gordon is presumed dead. Jigsaw says "I was his patient, and he was mine," implying that this relationship is in the past tense. There was nothing left Dr. Gordon could do for John, and there was nothing left John could do for Dr. Gordon. Dr. Gordon bled to death believing his family murdered. Adam starved for days before being suffocated and having his face split open. And still Amanda suffered more. Because she didn't only bleed from the body, in the reverse bear trap and the nerve gas house trap (though, of course, she did). Amanda also bled from her soul. She was made to believe she was broken, and it was only through the love of her greatest abuser, John Kramer, that she could be fixed. And as Amanda learns that John has not truly fixed her, she too learns that John has not given her true love at all. Her spirit is crushed (as is her circulatory system).

And let's remember the real main character in Saw III. It's not Jeff. It's not Lynn. It's not Jigsaw, either. The main character in Saw III is Amanda. She is the one who goes through a narrative arc in the film. It just happens to resolve in tragedy. And that's why we love Saw, isn't it? The tragedy of it all?

Of course, it makes sense that later writers and directors and even fans could latch onto the character of Jigsaw. After all, Amanda's character only works in Saw III because Darren Lynn Bousman and the fans loved Jigsaw in the first Saw film and wanted to learn more about him in Saw II. It is only natural that Patrick Melton and Marcus Dunstan would similarly be interested in John's character arc past Saw II, and so want to dig into John's past, and learn more about why John does the things he does. That's how we get to Saw X, where Jigsaw is the main character, and he is the one most challenged by the narrative. But in the tribe of Amandas, the best part of the franchise will forever be Saw III, because even another movie all about Amanda would still pale in comparison to the movie that made us love her and then lose her in 2006. Written by Leigh Whannell, story by James Wan and Leigh Whannell.

[woodsborostabathon]

aka the user formerly known as ambersrequel (rip). ceci / 22 / she/her / lesbian / boricua but i get a lil yeehaw with it. i'm not quite as strict with my dni criteria as i am with my headcanons! basically just don't follow me if you're: an anti, under 18, or have a habit of bashing any of the media i'm into. i'm proship and don't play about my faves, so please don't get me started.

speaking of my faves, this is kinda-sorta an about, kinda-sorta a masterlist of them!

˗ˋˏ ♡ ˎˊ˗ 𝐁𝐎𝐎𝐊𝐒.

lolita. vc andrews' dollanganger & casteel family sagas. my best friend's exorcism. stephen king's work (mainly carrie & misery). the kingdom of little wounds. the miseducation of cameron post. the mortal instruments. twilight. the virgin suicides. richard siken's work. junji ito's work (mainly tomie, dissolving classroom, & uzumaki). dark water. toradora. blood on the tracks.

˗ˋˏ ♡ ˎˊ˗ 𝐌𝐎𝐕𝐈𝐄𝐒 (𝐇𝐎𝐑𝐑𝐎𝐑).

scream franchise (esp. films 4-6). saw franchise. the ring. final destination franchise. nightmare on elm street (1984. dream warriors. & 2010). dark water (both vers.). the exorcist. tragedy girls. marrowbone. get out. us. barbarian. abigail. ready or not. candyman (both vers.). mama. orphan. fatal attraction. it (1990). house of wax. the witch. silent night deadly night. village of the damned (1995). bloody birthday. the bad seed (1956). the craft. forget me not. my bloody valentine (2009). sleepaway camp. jennifer's body. silent hill. hereditary. white: curse of the melody. cinderella (2006). sinister (1 & 2). carrie (1976 & 2013). sorority row. ouija: origin of evil. lisa frankenstein . . . full list on my letterboxd bc otherwise, i'd keep going forever.

˗ˋˏ ♡ ˎˊ˗ 𝐌𝐎𝐕𝐈𝐄𝐒 (𝐍𝐎𝐍-𝐇𝐎𝐑𝐑𝐎𝐑).

lolita (both vers.). the virgin suicides. flowers in the attic (both vers.). but i'm a cheerleader. welcome to the dollhouse. bottoms. the addams family (1991 & values). the hunger games. twilight saga. suicide squad (2016 & 2021). thirteen. heavenly creatures. heathers. gone girl. the room.

˗ˋˏ ♡ ˎˊ˗ 𝐓𝐕 𝐒𝐇𝐎𝐖𝐒.

euphoria. you. interview with the vampire. house of the dragon. yellowjackets. supernatural. the summer i turned pretty. law & order: special victims unit. cruel summer. american horror story. that 70's show. criminal minds. ginny & georgia. shadowhunters. death note. mirai nikki. black mirror. love, victor. big love. deadly women.

˗ˋˏ ♡ ˎˊ˗ 𝐆𝐀𝐌𝐄𝐒.

the sims (mainly 2 & 4). crusader kings iii. phasmophobia. dead by daylight. roblox. content warning. fire emblem (awakening & fates).

˗ˋˏ ♡ ˎˊ˗ 𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐈𝐂.

xana. ice nine kills. lana del rey. ethel cain. glass animals. flower face. marina. pom pom squad. chappell roan. melanie martinez. the technicolors. idkhow. ayesha e. waterparks. hey violet. mother mother. taylor swift. sza. panic! at the disco. my chemical romance. the weeknd. olivia rodrigo. young miko.

˗ˋˏ ♡ ˎˊ˗ 𝐅𝐀𝐕𝐄 𝐂𝐇𝐀𝐑𝐀𝐂𝐓𝐄𝐑𝐒.

amber freeman. charlie walker. the kirsch siblings. sidney prescott. dewey riley. kirby reed. tara carpenter. chad meeks-martin. liv mckenzie. vince schneider. anika kayoko. amanda young. john kramer. carrie white. nancy thompson. quentin smith. jesse braun. louis & claudia de point du lac. lestat de lioncourt. shauna shipman. jackie taylor. dahlia williams. chris & regan macneil. samara morgan. angela baker. alessa gillespie. wendy christensen. esther coleman. mara chaffee. rhoda penmark. joe goldberg. love quinn. delilah & ellie alves. yuno gasai. misa amane. debbie brody. jennifer check. needy lesnicki. billy chapman. pearl. tomie kawakami. grace le domas. nan (ahs). alicent hightower. rhaenyra targaryen. helaena targaryen. jace velaryon. dolores haze. nate jacobs. maddy perez. cassie & lexi howard. fezco. gomez & morticia addams. wednesday addams. olivia benson. jeanette turner. jackie burkhart. steven hyde. the dollanganger siblings. heaven & tom casteel. isabelle & alec lightwood. magnus bane. simon lewis. carlisle & alice cullen. rosalie hale. cecilia lisbon. dawn wiener. cameron post. abby rivers. gretchen lang. harley quinn.

˗ˋˏ ♡ ˎˊ˗ 𝐒𝐏𝐄𝐂𝐈𝐀𝐋 & 𝐎𝐓𝐇𝐄𝐑 𝐈𝐍𝐓𝐄𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐓𝐒.

ocs. writing. the flds. some other cults + religious fundamentalism. psychology. video editing. video essays. book collecting (specifically 1st edition vca). lovecore + 'coquette' aesthetics. dogs. being silly & perhaps even goofy.

˗ˋˏ ♡ ˎˊ˗ 𝐌𝐘 𝐎𝐓𝐇𝐄𝐑 𝐁𝐋𝐎𝐆𝐒.

slashersimmer (simblr), slashersweethearts (horror fandom ocs).

[wild-zamboni]

My name is Kat and I make dumb puns, HATE Tiffany Valentine, love Chainshipping, and would like to kiss John Kramer the puppet on the mouth

Also Cecil Gershwin Palmer is an anti-vaxxer

[billys-play-pen]

Hewwo [Insert name] I wanna pway a gawme... Wut shouwd we pway?!

RULES

please don't ask about the Saw lore or John Kramer, this blog is only based around Billy for fun

please don't mention gore, even though Saw is famous for it's gore SFW interaction is needed

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