#anti jaytim

[mikakuna]

actually the only reason tim/jason is gross is because jason would never and a man like tim could never earn jason's heart

[greysonderulo0401]

PSA

if you ship any of the batboys please unfollow/don’t follow me 😭 if you have to justify your ship by saying “technically it’s legal” it’s not a good ship

steph and cass is fine tho, steph frfr isn’t related to these people

[jaybirdstab]

Why do pretty much all Jason Todd artists ship jason x batfamily members???? 😭😭😭

[bats8batarangs]

Happy Valentines Day fellow degenerates 💖🦇

[hazelnatcoffee]

why I like jaytim besides you know for the fun angsty drama? Besides the fact they're both different brands of nerds? That they both have a dark side/trauma over the joker that they can bond over? They both desperately long for affection and just to be important to someone. To an unhinged degree. But it fits you know. They balance each other out.

YESSSS I don't know much about Tim's canonical family but I'm under the impression that he felt like he was never good enough in their eyes and when they died, it was like this door was left open; that and the fact that he went out of his way to photograph Bruce and Dick, then Jason, just to prove himself to someone (nevermind that that someone is The Batman, Gotham's most notorious vigilante with approx. 9 targets on his back and his Robins' backs at a time) is Peak Affection-Starved protag behaviour.

And then of course you've got Jason I'm-the-walking-traumatic-backstory Todd, who deflects any mention of his psychological trauma with humor, who trains under the worst people in the DCverse just to make SURE that no one can catch him off guard again, who busts back into Bruce's life because he needs to prove to himself that Bruce isn't what he needed; that Bruce is weak, but it backfires because Bruce is what he needed-- a team is what he needed, and it's what he had, and the only thing between him and that now is himself.

Put those two in the same room and tell me they wouldn't have the most interesting, devastating conversations in the DCU.

This is how we got the "be my Robin" panels

This is how we got the balcony banter during Red Hood and the Outlaws' Court of Owls storyline; it's how we got fucking Young Justice Tim staring up at a holographic memorial of Jason, staying there long after the others had gone to celebrate their latest victory-- it's how we got Jason breaking down into tears over Tim's photographs of him in Under the Red Hood.

These two are such disasters and they're made for each other istg

[colorfulyetsinful]

Lmaoo this is turning into a smau but I swear there’s no real story behind this,,,

On the other hand, Tim and Robin are now mutuals

[spite-and-waffles]

I've been noticing some AO3 authors tagging their multiship orgy fics with "no incest" like. Firstly, that's what the pairing tags are for. Secondly, trying that performative anti-batcest shit on a gangbang is like wearing a purity ring to the Devil's Sacrament. It's not going to spare you at the stake and everybody just thinks you're an idiot.

[seulgisduwang]

I just saw the titans s4 trailer and

Jason is training tim?

While bernard is dying???

Omg

Jason todd homewrecker AU confirmed⁉️⁉️ /j

[kevin-day-is-bi]

:/

[familymeansnoonegetsleftbehind]

[mikakuna]

GENUINELY GRATEFUL OVER YOUR FEELINGS RE: TIM AND JAYTIM

I honestly don't get it Tim is like the mayo on the white bread of Robins

LMFAO that's literally him omg...

somehow he's never wrong and everyone and their moms have to apologize to him for everything. do people seriously think he has no backbone! batfam fandom has this thing about making jason a straight up monster compared to baby tim. i don't care about villainizing other characters for fic whump but my main issue is tim fans acting like tim isn't a literal crime fighting vigilante (just like the other bats...) they genuinely treat him like he's gonna blow away in the wind or have a panic attack if someone is mean to him. i highly doubt the guy who fights supervillains on the daily has ptsd from jason fighting him and/or needs an apology from jason.

the way i wouldn't even have this strong of an opinion on this guy if it weren't for the fact that jason fans are forced to engage with his character because he's in most fanon jason-centric content. LOLL i ended up ranting but yes that ship also does not do it for me at all purely because it's used as a way to make jason grovel at tim's feet and apologize for 'trying to kill him'. LIKE IM SNORING GOODNIGHT!!!

[krizariel]

I'm just gonna add ship polls to my tumblr block list. So effin tired of that idiocy. Who cares.

No, not even curious.

[bats8batarangs]

Batcest warning!! Look away if uncomfy

One of my favourite convoluted love triangle headcanons is Tim likes Jay who likes Dick who has had an unrequited crush on Bruce for years who just thinks of his boys as...his boys. Dami also has a crush on Dick AND Tim but will never admit it.

I like to think Tim confessed to Jay and Jay was like "fuck off" but started looking at him differently. Perhaps they meet up for a makeout session every now and then but Jay's feelings are with Dick who he refuses to confess to.

"I will bury this feeling under multiple layers of snark and disdain until I die-for reals this time."

Dick knew lil Jay had a crush on him but didn't think post-lazarus pit Jay still held the same feelings so just treats him as a brother. He's still pining for his father/mentor after all. Dick was so obvious with his feelings as a kid but Bruce never picked up on it and eventually Dick gave up, burying his feelings in redheads and work. Part of his leaving Bruce so dramatically was realising his crush would never come to fruition.

Damian's crush on Dick developed after Bruce's death and Dick took such good care of him. He slipped it into conversation a few times but Dick didn't take it seriously, thinking he was just confusing familial love with romantic love. His crush on Tim on the other hand is something he refuses to admit but most of his bro's have caught onto it. Even Tim knows but refuses to acknowledge it, weirded out by it enough. He's grateful when Jon comes into the picture and takes Dami's attention away from him.

Now Bruce may be the greatest detective but he is shit when it comes to romance and even more so when it involves his boys. Selina knows pretty much all of it but doesn't want to out the boys before they're ready-and besides who wanted to break the news to such a love-adverse, awkward man like Bruce?

I didn't mention Duke in the intro but that's because he's not part of the triangle (hexagon?) and altho he knows a lot of who is crushing on who there is absolutely no form of torture that could get him to talk about it.

Steph and Cass are the only ones who have it together because they've been dating for a while and are pretty open about it. Even Bruce knows and acknowledges them. He will protect his girls if anyone says anything homophobic to them and u can quote me on that.

[zeroducks-2]

I’m coming back to the DC fandom after a break for a few years and it’s genuinely a baffling experience of like when the fuck did we start calling things batcest??? I don’t remember that ever being a term?? When did my popular basic staple ships that were everywhere (BruDick, JayDick, JayTim, etc) become like controversial?? When did this become a nuclear family??

I feel like I’m going a little crazy watching this wackass uptick in purity culture that feels especially palatable to me in the Batman/DC fandom. Like I was gone off to dabble in other fandoms and I came back and Tim Drake was canonically bi but everything else was on fire with a guy stabbed in the leg. Like people are banning me from my own house kind of situation.

You and many others anon, me included.

Not only they turned the bats and birds into a nuclear family and started harassing everyone who ships them, but they're also actively trying to do revisionism of fandom history by saying that the ships you mentioned have always been "controversial", and that it was a fringe community that used to ship them rather than the majority of people. Which couldn't be more false of course, but these people do not care about what's actually true or not and will keep coming up with more or less prettily worded bullshit to further their moral purity agenda.

We ARE talking about very basic ships which indeed were the foundation of the fandom (especially Brudick and Jaytim), and now shipping them earns you the "freak" badge, and the moment one of your ship posts goes above the 100 notes you're at risk of receiving mild to heavy harassment in the form of insults to suicide baiting to threats of doxxing. If it happens on Discord you might as well delete your account and start anew. This isn't in any way discouraged by tumblr itself - more and more anti harassment, "free shipping" blogs get termed while the censorship lovers thrive nearly as much as on twitter.

"Zero what are you saying twitter is way worse" Twitter is undeniably worse because its very format encourages misunderstanding and vitriol, but we can still post whatever we want on twitter. Whereas on tumblr showing one nipple is considered VM18, and if you even just mention your own history of childhood abuse you can get termed without previous warning, because a website in which CSA is even just brushed on is not safe enough for advertisers. I'm saying this because this culture of extreme censorship encourages anti-ship mentality and also encourages young queer people to police themselves, convinced that being perfectly pristine and sanitized is somehow the morally correct thing to do.

Oh and DC is at fault too. I talk about it at length here if you're interested in more of my yapping.

[proshipping-kitten]

Antis: You can't ship the former robins together! They're adopted siblings that's incest! Me: God I wish that was true Antis: ...wait what? Me: Do you know how hard it is to find jaydick or jaytim fic that actually treats them like siblings??? Me: I wish I could find batcest fic with incest in them as easily as you seem to think I can :(

[mistress-of-vos]

They're fictional characters on a fictional world where the whole plot is that a middle aged man couldn't go to therapy and has been raising children to dress in leather and go out at night to beat criminals.

And you are "concerned" about batcest.

How, out of everything DC as a franchise and fandom has, is Jason and Tim (for example) kissing the point where people draw the line? Why is TimSteph an exception but DickBabs isn't? Don't they both have families and have made clear they don't see Bruce as a father? Why is CassSteph fine but JayTim isn't? How come these moral clutchings of pearls are always focused on the same "bat kids" and never include Duke, Luke, Harper, Jean-Paul, Helena (both Wayne and Bertinelli)? What about Kate? What about Selina?

Then again, this fandom from OP here is the same one that has tried to burn Ra'sTim dow by calling it incest (as if Ra's al Ghul, a man whose family ties are as complex as his motivations, would consider the protégée of the man that dated his daughter, related to him at all).

Truth is: Almost no bat ship is going to contain any theme of incest. Most of them aren't related by blood nor were they raised together nor have they showed traditional familiar dynamics. Jean-Paul on the late 90s was actually wonderfully written on that topic, as we see him considering Babs an older sister figure yet being attracted to her (a feeling that was mutual, but not at the same time). Found family isn't about traditional and conservative family roles, it's about a group of people that find comfort of some sort together, and the nature of their relationships can be complex, dark, awkward and even painful.

Sure, as a writer, I do use the term batcest and find it funny to play with silly ideas about their messy group of people in latex that uses violence to cope. Rationally, however, we are talking about drawings on paper that have been played with by multiple people for years. Wonder Woman was born from the kinky sex life of some man and people eat it up but God forbid someone on the internet writes BruDick (which was a huge icon of the queer and homosexual community for decades!).

I'm way too tired to keep going, but honestly? One could make an essay on the awfully conservative tendency of new people in fandom for sanitizing content and labeling all media and putting characters in tiny boxes. You CAN'T come to a fandom that has been around for years (and made up mostly by queer people and women, btw!) and decide that YOUR subjective and biased interpretation is the only correct interpretation. This is not how fandom works and even less how media comprehension works.