#anti jasiper

[pjowasmy1stfandom]

YES EXACTLY THANK YOU

Off on a little bit of a tangent, like, I hate the sort of thing when one or both of them absolutely hate each other's guts with exactly zero interest (not to say a good enemies to lovers arc can't be done, it's just there are some that are better than others) and everyone else (either in the universe or outside) just goes 'oh, you'll end up together, you're just misunderstanding each other'. Like... Maybe they are, but the point still stands that I SEE NO UNDERLYING INTEREST. THEY GENUINELY AREN'T INTO EACH OTHER

Going back to Leo and Calypso

Calypso's had her heart broken time and time again. I feel like she was just going through the motions by the time Percy came along and she definitely doesn't want a relationship when Leo shows up, although part of that is probably because she feels like the gods are just laughing at her by sending her this scrawny kid to fall in love with. She shouldn't have been shoved into a relationship with Leo in the first place, even when he showed up to get her off Ogygia. I feel like them getting together was a slapdash 'everyone needs a romantic partner' mixed with a good helping of the 'damsel in distress' trope, where the hero always gets the girl he saves

As for Leo, he hasn't had a stable life since he was eight. To put it in perspective, he has literally not had a home (a home, not a house) for half his life. And I'm not even gonna go into his insanely self-deprecating mindset that we get from his chapters. This boi needs therapy, not a relationship. I feel that he is looking for a relationship to 'fix' himself. After all, 'normal' guys have girlfriends, so if Leo gets a girlfriend, then he must be normal, right? (Although I am gonna point out that he didn't fall in love with Calypso bc she's pretty. He actually hated her for the first part bc she was actively a jerk to him. He learned his lesson from hitting on Khione)

So yeah, Caleo should've been platonic, I didn't talk about it but Jasiper should've been platonic (and I don't like Leo x Piper either) and forced romantic relationships in media suck

Imagine if Leo and Calypso didn't fall in love but instead just...talked? If they befriended each other? Because Calypso is eager to find someone to vent to and really, Leo needs to find someone to share his sorrows with,and who would understand his insecurities better than a girl who was left alon in Ogygia for so many years with every person she falls in love with having another whom they have to return to?

IMAGINE THE IMPACT ON THE READERS IF CALEO WAS PLATONIC, IF LEO WAS SAILING AWAY IN A BOAT HE BUILT PROMISING ON THE RIVER STYX HE WOULD COME BACK FOR CALYPSO BECAUSE SHE DESERVES BETTER AND IS HIS FRIEND, AND HE KNOWS FIRSTHAND WHAT IT'S LIKE BEING THE SECOND CHOICE AND SHE DESERVES, FOR ONCE, FOR SOMEONE TO LET HER OUT???THE PLATONIC IMPACT, THE MEANINGFULLNESS AND FRIENDSHIP OF THAT

[ashxketchum]

I just went into the tags to figure out what the Jason x Piper ship name and am for the first time realising that people don't like this ship?

Anyway during my reread this part stuck with me the most

That's exactly how you write a teenage boy falling in love.

And tbh, even if Jasper or Jasiper or whatever their ship name is isn't endgame, it's important to understand that during the entirety of TLH, both Jason and Piper learned a lot about trusting strangers with their lives together which is such an intimate form of showing faith in someone. It is obvious from Jason's narration, that even without his memories, he knows he will never look at the feeling and emotion of love the same way again after having met Piper.

And what's this about Piper "manipulating" Jason, GIRLIE LITERALLY BROUGHT HIM BACK TO LIFE WITH HER POWER!

Piper haters and antis really need to take a step back cuz yall dumb as hell.

[pjopipes]

I know people can ship whatever they want but there’s something about seeing piper and jason still being paired together that automatically annoys me…. they’re not really a problematic couple I’m just being a hater, i’m sorry. I wish we knew more about shel so shelper would become the more popular canon piper ship instead

[lexidius]

I'd also mention how bi people can still be in m/f ships without it erasing their queerness but I'm not sure how many of you are ready for that conversation.

Biphobia is so normalized within fandom spaces 😕 like you'll headcanon a character as bi and people get so angry for what?? Or when a character even MIGHT be coded as bi people will fight TOOTH and NAIL to prove they aren't. Or how people feel wayyy too comfortable headcanoning canonically bi characters as anything else.

I honestly kinda feel like it's because people view bi people as "less gay" therefore "less deserving of representation" so they're kinda fine with the erasure of bi people from media. Like damn do y'all hate us or what?

[procyon-kiryu-heaven]

Ok, Let's see what the Anti Jasico people say:

You can't see the chemistry in Jasico, but I remind you that everyone got on the Solangelo train with 1 (one) interaction and Jasico has 2 great interactions.

Leaving Nico in the jar...Ok, that sucked, but put yourself in Jason's position for a moment. He needed to do what he thought was best and rescuing Nico was dangerous because Nico was "supposedly" evil/morally evil|doubtful.

And why does Jason think that? Because PERCY. And we know why Nico did what he did but, hello? Percy too! He doesn't know that Nico has a crush on him, but walking away from Percy for not saving Bianca is understandable! And he was fooled into thinking that he was evil, with what? 12~13 years? And in the end Nico saves practically the entire battle.

Well my point is that Jason only knows Nico's information from Percy, so he decided what he thought was best.

Also, if people can like Percabeth with how degrading and NOT romantic is "Seaweed Head" and the backflip is, if people can like Jasiper when it's a pretty one-sided couple, if people can like Caleo when it is a very forced and very fast maked ship, if people can like SOLANGELO...Well, I can like Jasico.

Jason is 16, not 17! And Nico is 14! Two years are nothing. Also Will is 15!

Well, whatever, next:

Oh, yeah, I remember when Nico or/and Jason thought about the other like a brother.

That was...When?...Never?!

If you like platonic Jasico is ok but they aren't brothers!

Remind me of when Jason was in love with Piper or do something actively romantic towards her, OTHER than the kiss at the end of HoO because that meant something only for Piper.

[anomura]

the more i think about jasiper the more weirded out i get like. if i woke up without any memories and someone told me we were dating i'd be at the very least worried? suspicious? and then afterwards when piper finds out all of the memories they have together are fake??? how would you not want to break up on the spot? idk man

[ytlotus]

honestly i forget that jason and piper were ever a thing. what did they even talk about.

[angelsodreamy-no2]

i saw someone say that "characters can just be friends" and i honestly agree. uncle rick forces too many relationships in heroes of olympus and it honestly kinda annoys me. i wish he focused more on their friendship instead since the story is supposed to be a family-found trope

jasiper? should've stayed as friends first. they were soulmates, they could've worked if they didn't rush their relationship. i'm not saying that couples who rush their relationship wouldn't work, but i felt like they still needed more time to get to know each other first.

frazel? could've gone slower. them already dating by mark of athena was just too fast in my opinion, but i'm happy that their relationship is super healthy tho.

luke and annabeth? i know they didn't date but them just having romantic feelings for each other was so unnecessary. if annabeth acted the same way she did but only because she sees luke as an older brother figure then it would've been better, and luke having feelings for annabeth other than being the family he never had was also weird idk.

[peaches-and-joon]

if i’m being honest i hope all the jason x piper scenes get cut lmfaoo…. or at least keep the hints of piper not actually liking him since she ends up breaking up with jason in ToA after realizing she never loved him romantically. just platonic love for them

anti jasiper for life <3

I’ve heard squeakings about some Green lights! 

What would y’all most like to see in the adaptations?

[literateleah]

🪨the HoO couples(Percabeth, Jasper, Frazel)

ooh here we go

percabeth- i’m an og percabeth stan but their dynamic in hoo was slightly..off. they seemed 100% absorbed in themselves which makes for great ship content and loyalty dynamics but you would think that entering another war and being divinely separated for 8 months might take a greater toll on their relationship?? part of this may be the rr ghostwriter speculations but i think that hoo should have focused on annabeth more outside of moa, letting percy take side stage after being the whole child of the prophecy, etc etc (considering the fact that if you removed him from the whole series besides obvious son of neptune plot patching the series wouldn't change a bit) oh and this is not in any way anti percabeth frankly i’m not ready to open y’alls can of worms

jasiper- i said this before but they had such potential!! the roman child soldier and greek newbie, the jupiter/aphrodite juxtaposition of power and love that wasn’t explored...i like them but didn’t like how they were written in canon

frazel- ugh we’ve gotten into this but frazel was so unnecessary considering hazel’s age.. if she was 16 or 15 like the rest of them i honestly wouldn’t have much problem with it and might even like it because their personalities are compatible in my eyes! but the fact that from the jump she was shoved into that relationship by rick is so gross because frazel subtext was in son of neptune from the very start while she was being described as 13?? just really weird even though i don’t like how everyone was paired up, if she was older i would be behind it.

[meetmyglowinthedarkboyfriend]

Why Solangelo is NOT Toxic (But P**cico IS Toxic, and Why the Jasiper Breakup is a Good Thing and Caleo is an OK Ship) In Other Words: I am Salty AF

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About a day or two ago, I read another post mentioning that OP ships Nico with Percy and hates Solangelo because “iT’s ToXiC”, so naturally, I’m annoyed and petty to the point that I’m making this essay post. Jasiper got dragged into this because it shares a point with P**cico, more on that later. Caleo also got dragged in because it shares a point with Solangelo, also more on that later.

Note that I am not ordering you what to ship and what not to with this post, because I have no authority over what people choose to ship. I am well aware that toxic ships get shipped very often (case in point, P**cabeth, but that’s a story for another day), and I agree that in an AU without the toxic elements, the ship could have had a lot of potential. It is just that in the Riordanverse, it’s toxic to ship P**cico and some other toxic ships under canon circumstances.

Why Solangelo (and Caleo, partially) is NOT Toxic

I’ve seen plenty of ‘arguments’ to why people believe the contrary, so I’ll put it out here: read Trials of Apollo. If you don’t read it, you naturally don’t see the two function as a couple, and thus would be more likely to write the ship off as “toxic” without proof that it actually is or not. But even if you insist on not reading the series (*cue disapproving glare and sigh*), here are the arguments against the ship getting debunked.

“The ship is rushed!”

The ship only started showing up in Blood of Olympus, and by the end of the book, even though the boys had only just met, they didn’t start a romantic relationship immediately -- it was ship tease, not a full on relationship upgrade within the week. It takes just what, four and half minutes, to fall in love with someone? Nico catching feelings on the battlefield is perfectly acceptable, and I doubt he would act on his feelings within the Three Days in the Infirmary or soon after in the first place, especially since he has his own personal issues to deal with, e.g. trauma, internalized homophobia, etc. It seems more likely that he would spend a few months recovering from his traumas and developing a better support system at CHB before pursuing a romantic relationship for real.

Also, if you would actually read ToA, you can see that their relationship progressed, though mostly off-page. You can see Nico grow comfortable into being in a romantic relationship, from not wanting to be addressed as a “boyfriend” in THO to outright snuggling in the ending chapters of ToN. Don’t be salty that you didn’t get to see every moment of relationship progress, be happy that he’s made progress to overcome his struggles. Also, from the above, it can be suggested that the boys didn’t even get together until not long before ToA began, so their relationship was likely still new at that point and they were still working on being in a relationship, setting boundaries and all that stuff.

“Will was yelling at him in Blood of Olympus! That’s toxic!”

Okay, okay, here’s the thing at the time. Several things, actually.

First of all, their first meeting occurred in the middle of a war, meaning that tensions were extremely high at the time. Will’s temper was particularly volatile at the time of their official first meeting because his home was going to be destroyed by his enemies. I think that’s enough to make anyone’s temper being short a little justified, to say the least. Nico, on the other hand, was concerned for CHB’s safety as well, and also for Reyna delivering the Athena Parthenos to Camp to restore peace between the demigod factions. He’s played a crucial role in the war and is a seasoned war veteran looking at a himbo who doesn’t bother to disguise his bright hair which makes him stand out like a beacon, cut him some slack.

Second of all, Will is literally a healer and medic, someone who is supposed to be concerned for people’s health and trying to make sure they don’t literally die. Nico, on the other hand, was all but dissolving at the molecular level. Don’t ask me, I’m no medical expert, but even I would be concerned if someone was dissolving at the molecular level in front of me.

Will told Nico to at least stay in the Infirmary for a while because of health concerns and genuinely wanting to be his friend. And especially on the health concerns part -- Nico didn’t get any medical check-ups or anything between the end of the battle and their fateful encounter in Chapter 56 of Blood of Olympus, and last time Will checked, Nico was practically barely alive. It seems reasonable to at least get him to stay to make sure he stays alive, if just for medical purposes.

It’s also likely that Nico had some off-page introspection between chapters, which prompted him to decide to stay at CHB and come out to Percy and Annabeth. The hug from Reyna (and everyone else cheering) might also contribute to a clue that he’s being accepted by everyone. Sometimes, you just need a push in the right direction.

“Will said that people at Camp cared about him even though they don’t! He’s invalidating Nico’s feelings!!”

*sighs* Look, this looks pretty valid on the surface, I’m not going to lie here. Even the Seven show disdain for Nico’s presence (except for Hazel and eventually Jason), so I’m not doubting that many demigods aren’t big fans of Nico just for being a son of Hades. But other than that, you are understood here, I get your point.

But Will wasn’t invalidating Nico at that point. He was informing him that ‘all the perceived negativity is in your head’, not ‘you are wrong and shouldn’t feel this way’. Rejection sensitivity disorder (RSD) is a symptom of ADHD, which most demigods have, so it’s possible that Nico had severe RSD and Will was trying to initiate a wakeup call through impromptu cognitive behavioural therapy on the battlefield.

And even if Will is wrong and many Campers really hate Nico like he claims, we all know he’s a lovestruck fool anyway. What the situation actually was is not clarified, and if Will was wearing rose-coloured glasses all this time, we should treat it as his character flaws being on show. Romances happen despite character flaws, they do all the time, so we shouldn’t bash and demonize Will for wearing rose-coloured glasses as a lovestruck fool -- it makes him human, just like the rest of us.

It could be one, or the other, or both scenarios combined. As we all know, the narration can be pretty unreliable when it comes to storytelling overall, so we can’t discount one possibility or the other. And it is likely that they had further conversations about all of this stuff off-page.

"After getting a boyfriend, Nico is all happy and stuff! Rick is making it as though a relationship can solve all your problems! That’s wrong!”

I most sincerely agree that relationships can’t solve people’s mental and psychological problems. Oh, and for the record, for this part, I would direct you to Tower of Nero, where this gets discussed quite a bit and makes it very clear that romance doesn’t solve problems.

In Chapter 9 of Tower of Nero, Rick goes out of his way to show that Nico’s trauma doesn’t get resolved just because he’s now in a romantic relationship, as he is explicitly attending therapy sessions with Dionysus -- the god of madness, and thus is likely a licensed therapist who understands mental health issues. His (C-)PTSD isn’t resolved instantly and Will brings up his symptoms, and they even get implied to occur in the book (that moment when Nico was waking up after shadow-travelling). Will shows support towards his boyfriend throughout the entire thing and doesn’t break up with him over mental health problems, which helps to reduce the stigma behind discussing mental health from a real life perspective.

This is also a part of the reasoning why Caleo isn’t toxic in the regard that “relationships fix people”, because it doesn’t. At the end of Tower of Nero, Calypso is mentioned to be working at a mortal band camp, trying to figure out her new life and herself. Leo doesn’t like it that much but is still supportive of her -- they likely reached a rough spot in their relationship at that point. Reyna is seen giving love advice to Leo as well, as an older sister figure. Leo and Calypso are still explicitly trying to figure out their relationship. Even if it was a case of “love at first sight”, “he broke a curse and cheated death to save her” kind of thing, making their relationship work still requires effort from both of them, which is an important point to make.

All in all, both of these relationships and their depictions in especially Tower of Nero make it quite clear that relationships don’t solve problems. Their choices to settle down (Nico at CHB, Leo and Calypso at the Waystation) symbolize them gaining an emotional support network to learn to navigate the world beyond their trauma. And it is that emotional support network that helps them overcome their trauma (it doesn’t disappear, but they learn to live with it), not a romantic relationship (though it can encourage people to seek help with support from their partner). It’s just that the emotional support network includes a free Rapunzel boyfriend in Nico’s package deal.

“They sexualize teenagers!”

Why Canon P**cico IS Toxic

There is absolutely nothing in canon which sexualizes Solangelo as a relationship. If anything, blame the fandom for this. You are free to disassociate yourself from the fandom depiction of the boys. It doesn’t mean you have to disassociate yourself from the ship entirely, it’s just the fandom being stupid.

And if you are the type of person to think that having a MLM couple exist in the first place is sexualizing them? Go step on a Lego, homophobe, you're not welcome here.

Usually, the sign that a relationship is toxic is when people aren’t happy when being in the relationship. Given that Percy was head-over-heels for Annabeth and oblivious to Nico crushing on the sidelines, we’re only looking from Nico’s perspective here. And I’ve gotta admit, it’s pretty dang toxic.

First of all, The Last Olympian, that moment when Nico unintentionally betrayed Percy and ended up getting almost strangled. I know Percy has anger issues and has a thing against betrayal, but I don’t think it merits trying to literally strangle a child to death. That child was only like, 12, 13 at most. If your ideal relationship involves strangling without it getting into the NSFW kind of strangling, I think that’s a pretty big cue that you’re romanticizing toxic relationships.

And beyond that, the emotions that Nico associates with Percy -- it doesn’t make him happy. He associates Percy with Bianca dying (and his conflicting emotions of hatred/blame and love/concern) and his own internalized homophobia, and his struggles overall. A lot of trauma gets based around Percy -- including literally falling into Hell, and that boy you like falls into aforementioned Hell with and for his girlfriend. It’s so cruel that it’s almost funny. To put it in Inside Out terms, he associates Percy with literally every emotion (sadness and anger over Bianca, disgust and fear over himself) other than joy, and that’s important.

When you don’t feel happiness with being associated with someone, the best thing to do is to cut off the relationship, because it’s (grown) toxic. And that’s what happens in Blood of Olympus -- Nico gets over his feelings and ends the whole thing with the “you’re not my type” confession, therefore ending the toxicity behind the romantic feelings. And it turns out better for him, because we clearly see that being with Will makes him happy.

The Importance of P**cico and Jasiper Not Being Canon (Anymore)

The thing that Nico --> Percy and Jasiper have in common is that both are their first romances/loves, and both ended with the feelings/relationships fizzling and them breaking off, deciding to be better as friends.

In Nico’s case, as I mentioned above, he eventually no longer like-liked Percy and decided to come out and cut off the toxic one-sided romance. In Piper’s case, she believed that the relationship beginning based on false memories as a bad thing and decided to break things off with Jason. (Whether or not this has anything to do with her having a sapphic awakening is irrelevant to this conversation.) Jason likely still liked Piper, but accepted the breakup and respected Piper’s decision to discontinue the relationship.

What makes this important is both examples show that first loves don’t have to be forever loves. The high school sweethearts trope is very common throughout teenagers’ media, so to see a subversion to this is very important, as this trope happens nowhere near as often in real life. People breaking up due to an eventual lack of attraction is very common in real life, so for children’s media to acknowledge this is very important. Otherwise, youngsters may end up being trapped in a toxic first relationship (like the Nico --> Percy scenario) and may not learn to break away, which is only going to cause trauma later in life. And when your partner decides to break up with you, like Piper did with Jason, disrespecting their wish to break off the romance is just going to land you on the r/AreTheStraightsOk subreddit -- disrespecting your partner’s wishes, even if it means you’re no longer partners, is still toxic behaviour, which should not be encouraged.

Moreover, in both scenarios, it is shown clearly that despite past romantic complications, both parties are still able to get along well despite the breakoff of the romance. Piper and Jason still worked well as a team, even as friends instead of romantic partners (up until Jason’s death, which Piper explicitly mourned); and Nico and Percy got along well enough to tease Annabeth during their joint interview in Camp Half-Blood Confidential. A lot of media show that exes usually end up hating each other, so breaking off and remaining on good terms is a nice change of events and often a realistic outlook on teenage love.

[bunkernine]

NWFSFNSNF I JUST RMEBERED THAT ONE FANART OF JASON AND PIPER DRESSED AS POCAHONTAS AND JOHN SMITH 😬🤪 WTF

the worst part is that i believe it because pjo is so disgusting. wwii au's, conversion therapy's, writing racist characters to villify them like there aren't other things... shitting on rick is super obvious and really shouldn't be debatable at this point, but the fandom is reading his work and thinking it's okay, and will write and draw the most harmful things without sitting back and criticising themselves. gross

[lexidius]

Exactly! This is why fanon!bisexual!nonbinary!piper can still be dating fanon!alive!bisexual!jason without it being "lesbian erasure" or whatever some anti-jasipers and jason-haters keep going on about. I mean hell, if you really want to you can make thalia a transmasc who leaves the huntresses and loses immortality, dies, goes to the underworld and forms a relationship with bianca. it doesn't mean we're "betrarying uncle rick" or "shitting on canon" or whatever, it just means we're doing what fans do and having headcanons and AUs!

Criticism does not equal hate. When I say something ,,negative" about a character, it's never ,,an attack"; in 9 out of 10 cases, I'm screaming into the void, knowing that the author will never hear - let alone listen to - me. It's not pitting canon! Charas against AU! Charas against kin home! People. It's a cry from a writer who sees potential being wasted. A hopeless dreamer. I don't like how canon! Annabeth is the genius whose talent is unrivaled (by demigods, except for Quintus. Giving him the senior bonus). Canon! gay! Nico doesn't mean, there can't be Fics! aroace! Nico ( <= I'd throw a party of four and more days for each story! Kudos for sfw and single! di Angelo) Rant over. Have a nice day. #✨️🦘

[primrosesafterdawn]

So I've been seeing a lot of anti posts and after shedding a few tears for my babies I'm taking action

Rules of tumblr and all that :

Rule Number one: if you don't like something, simply scroll past it. There's no need to broadcast your hate.

Rule Number two: you are not allowed to call a ship 'toxic' just because you don't like it

Rule Number three : fucking stop anti-ing things. We want to love our favourite characters and ships without being judged for it

Rule Number four: be nice to other users and don't start an argument unless completely necessary (for example if the other person is being homophobic or racist)

Rule Number five: do not judge anyone's artwork and that's including headcanons, textposts, drabbles, fics and more cause those are works of art and I pity you if you can't see that.

Rule Number six: do not send anon hate or any type of hate at all. Ever.

Rule Number seven: do not repost anything without credit and/or permission from the owner

Rule Number eight: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't fucking say anything at all

Rule Number nine: if you dislike something saying it just once is enough. Again, no need to broadcast your hate

Rule Number ten: did I mention to stop anti-ing cause it hurts people?

[icarus-shouldnt]

Can you believe that Rickalds ultimate solution to solving deep issues a multi layered character has is either making them buff, shoving them into the Hunters of Artemis or giving them a boyfriend/girlfriend that supposedly solves

Everything

Even though most of the relationships are full of harmful issues, age gaps and stereotypes that make them seem predatory?

And yet he is praised for diversity and lets himself be called "Uncle" and whatnot "He tried" stfu

[hitchell-mope]

I am

In Percy Jackson

100% Percabeth

100% Jasiper

100% Frazel

100% Caleo

100% Solangelo

100% Fierrochase

100% Sally x Paul

0% Theyna