#anti fitz vacker

[the-way-astray]

Since you seem to be most familiar with the side of tumblr that isn’t afraid to express their opinions about characters they don’t like, I was wondering if you know any accounts on tumblr that talk about Fitz in a similar fashion? Or just anything “anti-Fitz” for that matter. I can’t find any. Thank you!

okay i'm not familiar with any "side" of keepblr that doesn't post in the main tag . . . and since there's never much fitz hate in the main tag, if at all, i don't know any fitz hater blogs whatsoever. i'm not like this because i'm on some general hater "side" of keepblr, i'm like this because i hate keefe and i want to shout into the void about it, regardless of whether people agree or not

having said that you asked nicely so i tried my best to find blogs that frequently post in anti fitz tags (like #anti fitz vacker, #anti fitz, #fitz hate, etc.). and i found four . . . i did a bit of scrolling to make sure they weren't like terfs or some shit. one of them did raise some red flags for me personally, so i won't add that blog here in the interest of not making a callout post (long story short. red flags to do with the stripper fintan instagram war situation. if you know you know) so i'm leaving that one off (if you really want that one, dm me). here are the others: @carcinized @cottoncandytrafficcones @turquoise-skyyyy . . . these three seem to have intense negative opinions of fitz

a fitz (and general character) hater green flag for me personally is when they can be friends with fitz (and general character) lovers and when they make jokes about being a hater and don't take it too seriously, and one of these blogs (carcinized) is friends with summer and also makes jokes in a similar vein to the way i joke about my keefe hatred. so that's a good sign i think. i wouldn't say either of them hate fitz in a similar fashion to me because for the life of me i cannot find a single post from either of them that explains why they dislike fitz, and i'm very vocal about the reason i dislike keefe. no paragraphs-long rants to be found on any of their blogs . . . i'm sorry anon i tried. and i'm also like 90% sure that none of them are frequent kotlc posters anymore. so that's also a thing . . . yeah i tried my best but i genuinely think that active fitz haters are just unicorns on tumblr

[swans-chirping-in-the-distance]

i understand fitz is a complex character with flaws but he still annoys me. so much

That's fair

[confessionsofkotlc]

It’s okay to not like Keefe, Sophie, or Fitz. Just because they are complicated doesn’t mean you have to like them.

People have opinions

People have biases

Stop with the stupid “You wanted complicated characters but couldn’t even handle Keefe/Fitz/Sophie”.

[ramblings-of-lola]

I am trying to like and understand Fitz but it is very hard with his reaction to Sophie's matchmaking status and his reactions about her hanging out with Keefe in Legacy.

It's just making me upset.

[castleofravens]

keefe shit talking fitz for not forgiving alvar (& the majority of the fandom agreeing him) vs how anyone wld react if fitz told keefe to like forgive cassius or smth ??

[keefetheshimmerbooty]

it's so interesting to me that some people think that Sophie and Fitz breaking up was ooc. i totally get that perspective but in my opinion I've always thought that Sophie liked Fitz (at first) because he was the first person that looked at her and told her that she belonged (plus Fitz is canonically super attractive too so I'm sure that helps lol). But like imagine you're not just the youngest by far in your grade but also you're constantly hearing everyone's negative thoughts about you? And then one day a handsome guy your age (ish) appears, grabs your hand takes you to a glittery world with castles and tells you that you belong there? Like OF COURSE you'd have a crush on that guy. Eventually their relationship evolved of course, they became friends and then COGNATES but in my (biased sokeefe 4 lifer perspective) Sophie's crush was built off of what Fitz represented rather than what Fitz was. This isn't to say her feelings weren't real or didn't grow deeper or that she didn't see him as a person, but the foundations of which her crush was built off of was flimsy and not representative of who Fitz really was.

I think, perhaps, that perhaps the biggest underlying reason that Sophitz failed is because Sophie, while developing real feelings for Fitz Vacker, never truly lost her infatuation with him. Through everything, she still saw him as very, very perfect. A part of a beautiful world that, as she has realized throughout the series, she also doesn’t belong in. But she wants to, she wants to so bad that she attaches this longing to belong to Fitz. So if Sophie can have Fitz, then she will feel like she belongs more. But deep down she knows that she doesn’t belong, and so that causes her to view Fitz as an elf, yes, but also something god-like that she can never be a part of.

I think Fitz is a really interesting character, and we all have warped perceptions of him since we are viewing him from Sophie’s point of view. He is a lot more insecure, immature, and imperfect than Sophie thinks. I could go on about Fitz and power and status and matchmaking and Sophie's abilities but his projected image of her on a pedestal I think solidifies the point that his perspective of Sophie, or at least the foundation of his feelings for her, wasn't representative of who she actually was too.

[ann-lol]

Y’all, this scene?? Stop, because I’m literally crying. Ro is making her stupid comments, to no one’s surprise, about how Keefe would love to hear Rayni pretty much insulting Fitz (like no Ro, that’s just you) and then Fitz is literally the one to to bring up Keefe and what Rayni did to him- STOP.

Shannon PLEASE bring back their friendship and PLEASE take Ro out of the picture. I’m starting to believe that SHE is the reason that they haven’t mended their friendship yet. Almost as if she’s trying to prevent it.

[vackerary]

every time i read legacy i fill up with a visceral rage. at sophie

[the-witch-of-woods-beyond]

okay, so i already said i don't like keefe, but i want to expand on the fact that him getting all these books of development and NOT developing is so annoying when amazing characters like linh, tam, biana, marella and fitz are all sidelined is so annoying.

his whole family drama was focused on in neverseen and then could have been drawn out in lodestar when he runs away, and then in flashback, we get the vackers, but in sooo much more depth because they're so intricate, and then we get more of the diznees because two chapters in book six was not enough and linh and tam talk about how they're dealing with all that happened in nightfall with their parents, and marella's storyline with her family is expanded.

but instead all this falls to the background and we get constant repetition of sophie worrying about keefe when all these characters have minor lines about all this every now and then.

like, stop focusing on him!!! give me fitz and biana explaining how it was to grow up in a family that expected perfection and always feeling like they were failing only to have their brother betray them all instead of just hinting at it every now and then and moving on, give me linh and tam working through the fact that they were abandoned by their parents and society for something out of their control and continue on from what started in nightfall, give me marella discussing the stress of how everyone views her family. even dex has been sidelined, the boy sophie calls her best friend, and his family are so tragic and interesting. why weren't they given more time to develop???

[the-way-astray]

i know tumblr isn't inundated with fitz haters like other platforms are but i still see people (wrongly) assume that fitz talks about being cognates with sophie a lot (even if they say it affectionately). so. here are all the times fitz canonically says something along the lines of "but we're cognates!" in the entire series:

“I’m aware,” Mr. Forkle said. “But I only need Miss Foster and Mr. Sencen for this.” “But I’m Sophie’s Cognate!” Fitz argued.

“Doesn’t matter,” Sophie said. “Wylie needs my help.” “For what it’s worth,” Blur chimed in, “I think she’s right. I think you should take her.” “Take us,” Fitz corrected. “This has Cognates written all over it.”

“Last chance to change your mind. I can handle myself.” “Oh, I know. I’m planning on hiding behind you if we end up facing anything scary. But we’re Cognates. We’re stronger together.”

“And you can ask Gethen about it,” Fitz added. “I still can’t believe you’re doing that without me—what’s the point of being Cognates if they don’t let us work together?”

“Wait for it,” Keefe jumped in, right before Fitz added, “We’re Cognates.”

“But you went in alone,” Fitz reminded her. “Now we’d be taking him on together.” Ro clapped her hands, jumping up and down. “Oh! Oh! This is the part where he’s going to remind you that you’re Cognates!” “Well, we are!” Fitz snapped back, looking like he’d had about all he could stand of Ro’s interruptions. (is it just me or is this one sort of dubious. because it's not actually fitz that says it. or whatever. idk i'll count it anyway i guess)

so fitz uses the "but we're cognates!!!!" excuse a grand total of six (6) times (once in neverseen, thrice in lodestar, once in nightfall, and once(?) in legacy) over the course of the entire series to try to get in on a plan involving sophie. it works exactly two (2) times, both in lodestar. he also only actually says the words "but we're cognates" one (1) time in the entire series

also ro pisses me off . . . you'll notice all the times fitz says "but we're cognates" or something to that effect happen before ro is even introduced to the series so there's no way she could even realistically know that fitz says that a lot ("a lot" . . . obviously he doesn't actually say it a lot). shannon is just using her to brainwash you into thinking fitz says that a lot when he does not. same thing with keefe. he wasn't there for all the lodestar ones, so he's only heard fitz say something along the lines of "but we're cognates" one time. once. oh my goodness. the only reason people act like fitz says this a ridiculous amount is because the narrative is constantly telling you that it's his catchphrase when it is not

so in conclusion people that act like this is something fitz is constantly saying lack basic reading comprehension. he doesn't even say it once for all of flashback. the one from legacy barely even counts. he doesn't say it even once for all of unlocked and stellarlune. idk what to even tell you atp if you genuinely actually think this is something he says a lot

[ahoyimlosingmymind]

genuine thoughts on Sokeefe. Go 🎤

This is gonna piss somebody off. They're probably one of my least favorite ships in fiction to date. Only coming slightly before Jude and Cardan lol It's not a popular opinion, I know, so please don't come @ me. And I haven't read the books in so long... I might have details screwy.

PS: I don't hate Sokeefe shippers, ship away, it doesn't bother me. but I hold deep animosity for the way the ship is written.

Sokeefe feels contrived, and unplanned. Which is the appeal to many, but the turn off for me. Genuinely. I think I just have issues with the writing and execution of it. If you have to completely ruin the other love interest (Fitz) to convince me that the runner up is better... we got issues.

Allow me to explain:

Fitzphie felt intentional and planned. And sue me, I hate love triangles and I like when someone can just unequivocally choose someone and stick with them.

I used to really ship Fitzphie, but after Legacy I was really annoyed with the way Shannon wrote it all playing out. It felt fabricated and convoluted and completely out of character. Sure, I can pathologize why Fitz would care about matchmaking to the moon and back... but canonically, it doesn't even make sense. He was okay with going to Exullium and ruining his reputation that way, he was okay with infiltrating the ogre king's mind, and throwing hands with his brother publicly, being seen with Sophie, and befriending outcasts- but matchmaking is his last straw?? That's what suddenly got him pissed off? Not the fact that Sophie was keeping secrets, emotionally confiding in Keefe and not Fitz, whilst claiming Fitz as her boyfriend, letting his traitorous brother go etc...

^THOSE are all way more valid reasons to break up a ship like Fitzphie. That's a break up I can respect. Bc we know Fitz values honesty, trust and dependability. That tracks. We know he struggles with anger, but only when something actually serious is happening: His dad's mind breaking, Alvar betraying them <- arguably bigger deals than matchmaking by a LANDSLIDE. but anyway- I'm fine with them being broken up. I just wish it hadn't taken a complete character assassination and a stupid reason. I am of the mind that Fitz straight up just deserves better atp and that he's been ooc for the last few books and held to unfair standards compared to Keefe and Sophie's characters. Which just makes me pissed off at the whole ship lmao

(this all led to me beginning to dislike the series as a whole, and Fitz becoming my favorite character.)

OKAY- now for Sokeefe.

They feel contrived and like a fan-service. Don't hate me PLEASE-

You mean to tell me I read 7 books straight of Sophie pining after Fitz, never commenting on having romantic feelings for Keefe (aside from loving him in general as a friend and finding him attractive and him making suggestive comments about her feelings and being overly touchy feely and her deliberately choosing not to examine it) only for Sophie to suddenly act like she hadn't been obsessed with Fitz for 7 books straight the moment she had him?? because of some stupid concept about head and heart emotions?? (It's world building. I get it. Doesn't mean I don't find it hilariously dumb.)

I ALWAYS got the undertone of Keefe pining for Sophie, but she did not have that energy back towards him. In fact, she seemed wildly uncomfortable in some scenes (the one in Nightfall?? I think?? Where he backs her up against a wall??) and she seemed to not understand and be completely oblivious to his suggestive comments, aside from making her blushy and self conscious cuz she's an insecure character.

So anyway, after the Fitzphie break up, reading Stellarlune- I KNEW she was going to end up with Keefe. Not because it made sense, or because it had been foreshadowed in SOPHIE"S POV, but bc the fans wanted it and Keefe is a favorite, and he grew on Shannon. I just- maybe I'm just bitter, but I have never been under the impression that Sophie genuinely wanted a romantic relationship with Keefe. Until this book. Which felt like whiplash to me.

Wasn't our girl just crying over Fitz? like what is going onnnn

I could respect Sokeefe If Sophie had been having a mental war between Fitz and Keefe since at least book five, I'd believe that she had real romantic feelings for Keefe. BUT SHE DIDN"T. at least- not that I remember. So with the lack of build up on her part, but the readers obvious awareness of Keefe's feelings for her... it falls flat. Had Shannon planned on Sokeefe being endgame and had she sprinkled in more deliberate and crushy thoughts that could only be interpreted as romantic on Sophie's part, I would feel less blindsided. I would feel like it was all intentional. Like Keefe wasn't the only one pining for 9 books. Like Sophie wanted it just as bad as him.

like how long does it really take someone to realize they like someone?? I just find the whole thing to be unrealistic. How can Sophie be THAT unself aware? (I know the argument is that she didn't allow herself to like him bc it would put their friendship on the line but girl- it was obvious Keefe liked her and I just don't think she's that purposefully dumb.)

bro I could go on forever.

I didn't even touch on Keefe and Sophie's personalities and why I don't particularly like them as individual characters. That's a rant for another time.

im sorry! please forgive me.

[confessionsofkotlc]

Fitz is soooooo irrelevant and irritating and irrational

[crumpetsandbiscuits]

Fitz Vacker?

we love this. We need this. Sofitz? GET OUTTTT🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[camelspit]

what are ur thoughts on Fitz X stina

BOOO👎👎👎👎👎

sorry stitz shippers 😔. going to be real its not entirely about the ship itself, its just that a lot of the time when I have seen it, they're only being shipped bc a) they're both "mean/toxic" or b) they're just being shoved together bc everyone else is taken.

also in general. i dont really enjoy any of the straight stina ships. sorry anon.

[kotlc-ships101]

This cannot be a coincidence!

Keefe's name means hansome.

Fitz's name is commonly gived to illegitemate sons of royalty

Alden means wise protector

Linh means gentle spirit

[ann-lol]

Not me literally running away from Pinterest to escape the Fitz hate only to discover Keefe hate here on tumblr 😭

And I don’t mean the criticizing analysis posts (which I personally enjoy reading) I mean the “I wish when he embraced his legacy it killed him” “I wish he could just f*cking die” “Sophie should have pushed him off Silveny and let him drown” “Commit Keefe” “I wanna kill Keefe” kind of posts. Like ummm…y’all wishing death/murder on a kid?? Really?? Y’all do realize how that makes YOU sound right?

And these people are usually Fitz lovers which is giving bad rep to non-violent Fitz lovers/defenders

So please stop. You don’t gotta stop hating his character, you’re entitled to your own opinions but stop wishing that he can just die or at the very least stop posting about it. It’s makes you no different from a Pinterest Fitz hater :(