#anti betty x archie

[userlaylivia]

i really hate writers/showrunners who COMPLETELY ignore the fans and the people who made their show what it was and the fans who deserve better!! like honor your characters and ships that watched your show, honor the fans because without us you wouldn't of even made it as long as you did!! your shows wouldn't exist without us!!!!

[piperslovebot]

The core four + Tabitha & Toni & Reggie = perfection

[my-km-me]

Slight Riverdale endgame tangent

Riverdale's developing romance and endgame ships should've been:

Archie + Josie (Archosie)

Jughead + Tabitha (Jughead should've been aroace but if he has to be in a relationship, it should be Jabitha)

Reggie + Betty (Beggie)

Veronica + happiness

Cheryl + Toni (Choni)

I will die on this hill.

[azzybarjabi]

Something riverdale fans have to accept is the fact that bhva are toxic. Try to argue all you like but its basic facts. The fact that bhva fans can never actually justify or argue against the fact that betty and archie cheated on jughead and Veronica proves that they know they are but refuse to accept it. Cheating is wrong and lying about cheating makes it worse. Also the fact that bhva were then only ships not to be included in the trailer says something. And even if VA are getting content in the first 3 episodes we all know it's gonna be fan service that they are doing in the beginning to get it over with.

Barchie and jabitha are beautiful relationships that are not rushed, and mature and grown up and have chemistry that is in no way toxic.

[outlawssweetheart]

What kind of crack were they smoking in the Riverdale writers' room for them to put Jason & Polly together when Jason was always ga-ga for Betty?! Jason & Polly never even met in any comics timeline I'm aware of!

[swiftie-blog-123]

Fictional Characters as Taylor Swift songs

Fearless

You Belong with Me: Archie and Betty (Riverdale)

Love Story: Arthur and Gwen (Merlin)

Red

I Knew You Were Trouble: Shane (The L Word)

1989

Welcome to New York: Jessie (Disney Channel's Jessie)

Wonderland: Alice (Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland)

Bad Blood: Prof X and Magneto (X-Men movies)

You're in Love: Alice and Dana (The L Word)

Reputation

Look What You Made Me Do: Wanda Maximoff (MCU)

Don't Blame Me: Joker and Harley Quinn (Batman)

This is Why We Can’t Have Nice Things: Gatsby (Great Gatsby)

Lover

Paper Rings: Hermione and Ron (Harry Potter), Jake and Amy (Brooklyn 99)

Miss Americana and the Heartbreak Prince: Graham and Megan (But I'm a Cheerleader)

The Archer: Aloy (Horizon Zero Dawn), Kate Bishop (Marvel comics)

You Need to Calm Down: Glee Characters (Glee), Young Avengers Characters (Young Avengers Vol 2), X-Men characters (X-Men comics)

False God: Annabeth and Percy (Heroes of Olympus)

Folklore

mad woman: Wanda Maximoff (MCU), Morgana (Merlin), Bertha (Jane Eyre)

Evermore

ivy: Rachel and Luce (Imagine Me & You)

tolerate it: Mr. And Mrs. de Winter (Rebecca)

no body, no crime: Maxim and Rebecca (Rebecca)

gold rush: Hulkling and Wiccan (Young Avengers)

Midnights

Lavender Haze: Carol and Therese (The Price of Salt)

Midnight Rain: Jo and Laurie (Little Women)

Great War: Harry Potter characters (Harry Potter), Merlin and Arthur (Merlin)

Dear Reader: Jo (Little Women)

You’re On Your Own Kid: Annabeth Chase (Percy Jackson), Karolina Dean (Runaways)

Anti-Hero: Allison DiLaurentis (Pretty Little Liars)

Vigilante ****: Harley Quinn (DCEU)

Others

Carolina: Kya Clark (Where the Crawdads Sing)

I’ll add more as I think of them! Give me suggestions if you have them!

[andsmile]

do you think b/rchie is bad for betty?

I’ve been postponing answering these questions because...welp. I talk about BA too much, but you guys seem to enjoy my discourse, so.

I think I have to be clear that I don’t think that fundamentally Archie and Betty are bad to each other. They’re “good people”, they’ve been friends their whole lives, in a bubble where you have Archie and Betty growing up together with their friend Jughead or without their friend Jughead and they date other people along the way etc, Veronica shows up or doesn’t, but BA end up together, childhood friends to lovers or whatever it is that attracts the shippers, I think it’s whatever. 

It’s just another ship and it’s a valid one. Archie is fundamentally a good character, he’s not gonna hurt her or anything, and Betty is fundamentally a good character, she’s not gonna fuck his life or something. 

Even though the idea of them bores me I think that if written the right way, they can be good and interesting. If you want to write a fic about how their journey went I am pretty sure your fic will be a good, compelling story, and it might even be as in character as possible for characters we met in the pilot...in season one, if I stretch.

H o w e v e r, and my point every time I explain why I don’t like BA, 

These two characters don’t exist in their bubble. They don’t exist in the universe you created. They exist within a certain universe that is already established by four seasons of a certain canon, portrayed in a certain way, and I don’t think some people realize how this universe is established:

In the canon universe, Archie and Betty had childhood crushes on each other. Archie moved on, Betty didn’t. She confessed her feelings and dreams, that are very paralleled to becoming her sister and Jason Blossom. Then, Archie rejects Betty because he doesn’t have feelings for her and even though he says to her that it’s because she’s too perfect for him (and he says that because he feels guilty for hurting her) it’s not what he said to the girl that caught his eye before (I have never felt whatever I’m supposed to feel with Betty is a the line he says to the girl that caught his eye, and yeah okay we could play into the denial narrative but then two seasons later he tells Veronica Ronnie, when I first met you, you were it for me so I think Archie knew exactly what he was supposed to feel) and Betty got sad for a bit, but she moved on and found a connection with Jughead. Who was Archie’s best friend. And even if Archie felt jealous or not (I have said before what I think about his jealousy, and BAs have called me delusional, but anyway), that’s what happened. Betty found in Jughead both a boyfriend and a best friend and became the power couple that had nothing to do with the childhood dream. Archie got with the girl who was “it” for him from the beginning and went through hell and back for her. Every once in a while, they look over their shoulders to each other, especially when things with Jughead and Veronica are shaky -- and boy, they’re often shaky -- and are reminded, in different intensities and timings, of things they could’ve been.

This is the canon narrative, and if you support BA in canon understanding this, that’s probably fine. But most people go by some narrative created by the great majority of the BA fandom that, essentially, says that the story these four seasons of canon is telling us is a bunch of lies. That the Archie has only dated who he did (three woc) because he couldn’t get his hands on the perfect, virginal, white girl-next-door that he wasn’t ready for. That Betty’s main character traits, that have only actually flared up after she got over him, changed her and made her someone insufferable, and that she was better around Archie, even though he didn’t feel anything for her before. A narrative that reduces Betty to a girl who actually found out who she really was so she could “claim her prize”, and that reduces Archie to be “her prize”, because none of his choices matter either. He was just regretting making “the wrong choice” all the time. In the middle of the way, this fan-created narrative still says that the very deep and meaningful relationship Archie has with a latinx is just sexual. It also says that the very deep and meaningful relationship Betty has with Jughead is “rebound”, “incest”, “bland”, just because it’s not sexual enough, according to them. Even though it is. But of course, the main and the latinx woman are all about sex. Betty and Jughead act like siblings, they’re boring. Archie and Betty? The perfect combination of the main and the virginal, perfect girl who can’t do no wrong. But now the main sees that she isn’t perfect! He knows her better than anyone, even better than her boyfriend/bestfriend, even though they haven’t interacted in years. And now that she has proved herself not perfect, not virginal, she can be with him, and she won’t be oversexualized even if she is--they’ll be crazy about each other, romantic! Exciting!

If you support this made-up narrative in the bubble of Riverdale, you are invalidating all the growth and the choices these two characters have done in four seasons of content. That’s why many reviewers that aren’t up on the idea of BA stemming from the comics or in the idea that the show “needs a change”, said “this was so out of character for them”, because it was. You reduce their journey as characters and turn them into each others love interests and that’s all, they’re nothing else. And you do that in the expense of friendships (that aren’t well developed but that we are still meant to believe in), the entire character of Veronica (I will never shut up, if you think Veronica is a bump in the road for Archie you are simply an asshole), the gigantic amount of trauma Archie’s been through, the gigantic amount of change and growth Betty’s been through aaaand---

The comics! That’s an usual argument I see around to be pro-BA in the show, because they stem from the comments, and it always flabbergasts me because...the ARCHIE COMICS? REALLY? Who basically created the girl-next-door stereotype in the 1940′s and numerous Betty’s have been portrayed here and there always taking all the bullshit from their husbands who are often pursuing the “Veronicas” of the world and coming back home where they wait and suffer for them? I can mention at least 10 characters from the media that are made in Betty’s molds and the cathartic moment for all of them are when they finally get the fuck away from their “Archies” who never love them enough, but then you have, in the very AC live action, the actual Betty Cooper’s character who makes a vow with Veronica for boys not come between them, look over her shoulder and stop focusing on Archie for the first time in seven decades to focus on someone else in a cinematic moment that should go to feminism in media (I swear) with how symbolic that shit was, and you want... you really want... her to go through this so soon in her journey so she gets Archie as her prize in the end?

You cannot convince me you are a fan of Betty Cooper in any universe if that’s what you want for her.

So, yeah. I think BA is bad for Betty. I don’t think Archie is bad for Betty, I don’t think Betty is bad for Archie, but I think their ship in the canon context of Riverdale and the ~representation game they play, it’s a menace. You can all send me inboxes again saying people should be able to ship whatever they ship - and they should. And they will. I won’t change that. I am only giving out my opinion, and I stand by it. 

[theforcedyads]

This mf is topless in Betty and Jughead’s room-

what? 🤢

fuck off, carrot. 😭

[theforcedyads]

People tend to use tumblr tags as a getaway to look into their ships, interests, etc. That also applies to me and everyone else in our fandom. Please get this out of the bughead tag, it's disgusting.

The entitlement that bugvarchie shippers have concerning that tv show is hilarious to me..

Roberto literally said: "its coming its coming, barchie will evolve into something together that is more than friends with benefits, more than only friends" but yall really thinking its not romance? Godfather? Cousins? Yall sick!

This ship doesnt share a brother unlike a certain one and do not share a father that is obsessed with one "hiram".

It sucks not to having it your way. Oh well suck it up! Because barchie is happening, because lgbt and poc are having more screentime, because tabitha wont be as a plot devide since jabitha is happening. Cry to ur mama!

[siltor67]

Calling jabitha "unpopular" isnt bringing your dusty ship back. Calling Jabitha a "horrible ship" wont change the fact that betty cheated on jughead and he called her a bitch. Trying to claim that tabitha is just a side character, wont make it any less true that she is a MAIN character..

You guys can choke for all i care! Jughead is in love with Tabitha and u can scream, yell, get mad and continue to make disgusting theories on their ship. A black woman will not be a plot device for ur dusty ass ship. Screw yall

[passionate2020]

Another shitstorm of an episode.. am I surprised? nope.

I miss seasons 1-4 so much it actually hurts. How can anyone think this is chemistry or good television?

[iarasstuffss]

Jugheads face when he heard B*rchie were getting married… HE WAS CRUSHED

also b/a sitting together looking like a couple seemed so off to me, like it was so… forced? overacted? I’m sorry but that couple its really hard to watch to me…

Boring…

Also, cole mentioning bughead’s passion and flame… thats what a really good teen drama ship is about!!

[djgrannyglasses]

Speak Now

Betty is engaged to Archie, something about that doesn’t sit right with Jughead.

Inspired by the latest promo

COMING SOON TO AN A03 NEAR YOU

[steroseazon]

Barchie x Love Me Like You Do

[azzybarjabi]

Dear bughead fans,

Romeo and juliet knew eachother for like 3 days and decided oh yeah I'm gonna kill myself cause I can't be without you because they claim they 'fell in love' at first sight.

So jughead and Betty comparing themselves to that 'relationship' doesn't help your case on how they are the 'best' ship because they are not.

(Ps there is no such thing as love at first sight)

Jack from titanic sacrifices himself to save rose so she could be free and live her life and dreams.

Literally Jugehad makes Tabitha promise that she makes her dream a reality even if he dies.

Like who's the better ship.

This will always be my biggest argument for the debate between bughead and jabitha fans on who is the better ship. In my book jabitha is endgame.

Literally I challenge any bughead stan to debate me on this. Plz do try cause I would love to know what bughead fans actually think.

[izzysamosriverdale]

WE are in Rivervale! (According to RAS)

I have been thinking (didn't you smell it?) about RAS' recent interviews (like I don't have better things to do), and I THINK I may know what he is doing. If someone else has come up with this theory, I apologize. RAS IS lying, but he is lying to try and make US feel like WE are in Rivervale, where nothing is as it seems, everything is opposite, everything is upside down right now, even what he says about the show. Maybe he is indicating that with regard to the show, WE are currently living "opposite day", in a parallel universe, Bizarro World, where everything is upside down. Lili herself posted an upside-down smiley face. Everything is the opposite, everything is upside down, nothing seems right or true, even what RAS is saying. We are rightly suspicious. Follow me:

RAS says (and lies purposely) regarding Season 6:

In RV: THE TRUTH: In RD -

"Archie IS dead." WRONG. Archie is NOT dead. (We know he's coming back.)

"Archie is NOT in a coma." WRONG. Actually, Archie IS in a coma, he's dreaming, and we'll show that to you eventually.

"Betty IS pregnant." WRONG. Betty is NOT pregnant.

"We are invested in Jabitha." WRONG. We are NOT invested in Jabitha, obviously.

"BH is NOT coming back." WRONG. Actually, BH IS coming back.

And again, I think this all started in the mine explosion back in 5 x 17, and was further complicated by Cheryl's prayer/curses. She clearly has no idea what she's doing and screwed things up and threw them into Rivervale. I believe Archie is either still trapped in the mine in a coma, or they got him out and he is in the hospital in a coma now. So is Polly actually still alive in Season 6 RiverDale? Did Betty and Jughead find her alive? Was the funeral for nothing? Was the whole musical was all for nothing? I think RiverVale began "leaking" into RiverDale towards the end of Season 5. There were little clues.

Does that make sense? It doesn't make sense for RAS to purposely lie about things from a marketing standpoint, but maybe he's trying to purposely make the viewers feel like some things are "off", things can't be right that he's saying, and that we are experiencing living in Rivervale ourselves?

I mean, there are so many things that are opposite, or "not right" in what we are seeing in Rivervale and in things that RAS is saying - they CAN'T be right - we have common sense.

Other things that we have seen that we know are "wrong" and sus, as noticed and mentioned by others:

A bomb supposedly went off under Barchie's bed, we saw the explosion - yet they survived, no injuries, no damage to Archie's house, Jughead nor Uncle Frank sustained any injuries or were killed. Nothing. Huh?

Barchie are living together, "in love", whatever. No chem, Betty is talking weirdly, suddenly desperately wants a baby.

Archie did not return Betty's "I love you". He does not love her, nor does he really know her.

Betty's behavior is very un-Betty-like.

Betty is an FBI agent, when by all accounts, she was fired previously. She is investigating animal deaths, not human crimes.

Vegas is alive, when we were told he is dead.

Jabitha are living together, "in love", whatever. No chem, FAST relationship.

Toni and Fangs are romantically involved. Huh?

Tangs leaving their baby in the woods when he won't stop crying. Toni is smarter than that, she would NEVER do that, and Anthony is probably a happy, quiet baby in RiverDale.

Eric survived the mine explosion and went back home, according to Archie. I think Eric died in the explosion, Archie did not rescue him. Archie's in a coma and/or has palladium poisoning that's making him dream/hallucinate RiverVale.

Dr. Curdle, Jr. is not only the coroner, he's a pediatrician and a gynecologist. Not possible, even by Riverdale standards.

Jughead - JUGHEAD, people - completely lost his appetite because he was so worried about Betty.

Jughead - JUGHEAD, people - would never lose in an eating contest, even though he probably lost on purpose as a last act of "love" for Archie because he knew he was going to die.

Jughead constantly, awkwardly, uncomfortably with his arm around Tabitha. Cringeworthy kisses. No romance or expressions of affection

Bughead scenes regurgitated badly by Jabitha?

Betty acting all giggly and flirty while drunk with Archie. Really? You want to be in a relationship with Archie, Betty? Really? Pod Betty.

Mary Andrews is supposedly pushing marriage and children on Archie and Betty. First, Mary is a Varchie shipper. Second, she doesn't seem to be the type to be pushy about that kind of thing, she's not obnoxious that way.

Jughead is being a sarcastic narrator, appearing onscreen and talking directly to the audience, as opposed to his usual narrative voiceovers.

Jughead's trademark The Curl (TM) is missing.

Maybe Sabrina will be called to bring RiverDale back and restore order by switching the universes again or bringing Riverdale back to the forefront/real world/actual timeline or whatever. What do you think? I really and truly hope I am right about RAS' purposely misleading statements in order to try and bring the audience into RiverVale.