#anti benkai

[catgirlxox]

the writers are the real villains for torturing him with this bitch

[cessmaga]

I don't get why cn wanted ben and kai to be that "one bickering couple" where ben bickers with his partner a lot is too out of character for him

I don't think ben is that aggressive when it comes to conflict, yeah he could argue with his lover but not in a sense petty way, if anything he would try to apologize and fix things, and he's not that petty to be that "couple who bickers with his lover a lot but secretly loves them"

also there has to be a real reason ben would argue with his partner a lot not some petty reasons

there dynamic is way too similar to OS ben and gwen's dynamic than an actual loving couple 😭

[awesome-normal-heroes]

For anyone who thinks Amethyst Ocean is the worst heroic ship ever, keep in mind that this ship exists:

[most-canon-non-canon-ship-poll]

PRELIMS/ROUND ONE - 5/63

PROPAGANDA:

Benkai:

Tolerable but annoying in the original show because she only appeared in a single episode. And it went over my head that bens future kids mom was implied to be her in the original show. But in omniverse? Terrible. It burned down ALL my crops and set me on fire too. Not even cause I think she gets in the way of a ship I like better, her and Ben together are just terrible for each other. They clearly don’t like each other, they don’t want to spend time together, and it really feels like they were just forcing them together because that’s what they set up already with the future timeline episodes. COMPLETELY IGNORING THE FACT THAT CANONICALLY THERE ARE COUNTLESS BRANCHING TIMELINES. INCLUDING ONES WHERE THEY DONT GET TOGETHER. But noooo, we need to shove him into a hateful heterosexual relationship… he’s our protagonist boy, we can’t just not put him with someone! I think kai is cool on her own. But everytime her and Ben are onscreen together it makes me wanna turn off the tv. Very cool of her to wield Excalibur! Not cool when she got reduced to just bens love interest. Both of these characters are great separately, but together it’s just not fun. They don’t bicker like ‘an old married couple’ they just fight like two people who don’t like each other and don’t want to change that. Sorry for the rant, I just. Reeeaaaalllyy think that this was one omniverse’s worst decisions. And MAN, THEY HAD SOME BAD ONES.

mcwexler:

ugh it's just the most boring thing i've ever seen in my life, they have about as much chemistry as a wet paper bag and an unlit match and if i have to see one more dry cardboard beginning of a sex scene when they mash their emotionless faces together before a hard cut to the two of them lying sensibly in bed i'm gonna fall asleep on my couch because that's exactly what i do when these two are on screen together

[charadreammer]

So I’ve just finished the 2005 serie of Ben 10 and I’m actually surprise that I remembered at least the plot of almost every episode. I knew I was really into it but being diffused exclusively on TV I thought I would have forgotten an episode or have not seen it at the time, but no,  almost all 52 episodes were still in there ! The only episode I fully rediscorvered, the only one, was “Ken 10″ and I honestly think it’s because I found it boring. 

I don’t know if this episode is appreciated by the fandom but I genuinely didn’t like it. First of all, I’ve never been a big fan of Ben 10 000. I think he’s cool but really not much more than that. So, having another episode on his universe, not even on him but on his son (that we never saw before) was not interesting to me. Futhermore, Kenny seems to me like a copy of young Ben but because it’s the first time we’re seing him I don’t have the bias I possess towards Ben, thus, I just don’t find him enjoyable or interesting. 

Another thing I have against this episode is the fact that Kevin is the villain. I only started to like Kevin in Alien Force, in the classic serie I saw him like an okay character. He was there with cool abilities but I didn’t grow attached or anything. In consequences, watching this episode in a timeline where I don’t have the version of Kevin with his growth, but the grown up version of the vengeaful kid I dislike feels a little underwelming. Of course that’s not something that was an issue at the time of diffusion but I just wanted to talk about it. 

I know that in Omnitrix we have a reappereance of Kenny and from what I saw, it’s bad. But having not watch this part of the show, I’m honestly curious to see what they did with the character and if they improve him. At the moment I just know that he tries to force BenxKai and I hope he does something in the episode taking place in the Omniverse Ben 10000 universe (I think there’s one) because I really want to have at least a positive thing to think about him. 

This kinda turned into a rant but overall I’m just really excited to continue my rewatch ! 

[csg-iii]

So I kinda assume everyone ships incest couples for the exact same reasons I do but a post by @shipcestuous made me realize that people have more than one reason.

So anyways, I'll tell you (overexplain and explore a pretty simple concept and line of reasoning till I'm no longer passionate about it and spend a few weeks away from the concept in anyone who will listen's general direction) mine if you tell me yours.

Once again time to see the follower count decrease after answering this haha.

I'll take some of Shipcestuous' (Astrid's) post 26 points about shipping siblings (also applies to cousins like Bwen) and add one or two of my own, which I think she didn't cover:

27) Sometimes we just prefer the shipcest over the canon pairings.

That's something I discussed  in a previous post of mine when talking about why I prefer Bwen over Benlie, Benkai and Gwevin. Fits some of my other shipcests too, like, I prefer Wanda x Pietro over Wanda x Vision, or (from Wizards of Waverly Place) Justin x Alex over Justin x Violet and Alex x Mason, or (from Frozen) Elsa x Anna over Anna x Kristoff.

A counterpoint would be: Ok, you don't like the canon pairings, but why not just ship the character with someone else that isn't a relative?

Sometimes I actually do that! For example, in Arrow I've never shipped the canon Oliver x Felicity, I used to ship Oliver x Laurel, and never felt like shipping Oliver with his sister Thea (though I have friends who do ship them).

But sometimes, I don't see a canon option that fits better than the shipcest, and that dives into Astrid's reason #18 ("you’re guaranteed “shippy” moments whether the romantic/sexual element is canon or not. The siblings are going to have sweet moments, significant moments, intense moments, emotional moments, pretty much no matter what.") Sometimes I feel like the better option is the relative (sibling, cousin) rather than another canon character. I don't like Wanda x Vision, so could I ship Wanda with, IDK, Thor? Yeah, I could, but I see her bond with Pietro much stronger, so I'm more inclined to ship her with Pietro rather than Thor.

28) Subtext is just WAY TOO strong

This I would point to Lauren and Andy from The Gifted. Nobody can watch a video like this and tell me they have a totally normal sibling relationship without any subtext of something else 

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Now, I'll take some of Astrid's reasons that I most identify with.

10, 11) The "undivided loyalties" and "anti-change" aspect.

I'll once again give a Bwen example. In the Classic Series we see Gwen diving into the null-void to save Ben, pushing him out of a Florauna's way, and other moments. But in Alien Force, there is a scene where both Ben and Kevin are knocked out and she runs straight to check on Kevin rather than Ben. Then in Omniverse, Gwen leaves with Kevin, and Ben stays in Bellwood (later Rook joins him). Gwevin clearly changed the dynamics that I was used to between Ben and Gwen being devoted to protect each other, and I didn't want that to change.

A good counter-example to that, the Fantastic Four. They were always a family, Reed, his girlfriend/wife Sue, Sue's brother Johnny, and Reed's brother-from-another-mother Ben (and sometimes Reed's and Sue's children Franklin and Valeria). I like it that way, I wouldn't ship Sue and Johnny there because it would break that already established family dynamics.

9) Ulltimate codependency. In Astrids' words "Codependent characters who are also each others’ family are that much more codependent. No, it’s not always the healthiest situation, but there’s just something about a pairing that only has each other, who are each others’ everything." That defines at least three ships for me, Sam/Dean (Supernatural), Chris/Claire (Resident Evil), Hansel/Gretel (multiple media adaptations, but I mostly go with Witch Hunters).

1) Taboo/Forbidden aspect. Let's face it, this is probably the greatest consensual romantic taboo one can ship. There's a good deal of angst to write siblings or cousins hiding the nature of their relationship from the rest of their family. This I can put Ben and Gwen hiding it from their parents (and from Gwen's older brother, when he exists)

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Last, but not least, another one of mine:

29) I ship what I want!

[justmenoworries]

I’ve been kinda re-evaluing my opinion of Kai Green over the past year or so. And after some thoughts, eliminating of biases and reading of some very good takes from mutuals, I’ve come to a conclusion.

I like what Kai could have been. A badass Native American archeologist/part-time protector and the wielder of Excalibur? Sign me the frick up.

But....I don’t really like who she is. Ben’s nagging love interest and eventual ball and chain.

Aside from the fact that BenKai is still without a doubt the worst ship, I still can’t help but take issue with the way Kai acts most of the time. Like, I get it, she’s the tough no-nonsense woman who just wants to get the job done and has little patience for Ben’s antics or anyone’s antics, really.

But holy shit, she is just downright nasty to Ben. In a now long deleted post I called Kai emotionally abusive and I’d like to take that back, because as bad as her behavior is, it’s not really abuse. It would probably be more accurate to call it bullying, but even that is kind of a stretch.

That’s not to say Ben is a perfect angel and that he never acts like a jerk towards her. But, I’m sorry, I don’t think there’s a comparison to make between being kind of disinterested in somebody’s hobbies and stepping on a person’s face with enough force to leave a mark.

It’s honestly a shame, because looking back, I want to like Kai. She’s one of the few black characters in the show and she has so many cool things going for her, like the aforementioned Excalibur.

But then I look at her berating Ben affter he just got done saving her life and basically telling him he’s only any good as an alien and... I just can’t. I’m sorry.

What’s worse is, if it weren’t for her horrible “romance” with Ben, I’d like her a lot more. But because the writers insisted on having this extremely poorly written relationship be the main focus of her character arc, I can’t really enjoy any episode she’s in.

[juniaships]

Creators Please Stop Making Legitimately Awful Pairings Canon Challenge 2021

[thepurplesquip]

Come on, we all know that this is true...

[thecncitygirls]

Benkai Salt + Out of Context OC Memes because I can damn it! >:(

[catgirlxox]

What ben shouldve said to kai the last time he saw her

HAH yes 👏

[cessmaga]

I feel like i would still be toxic if they write kai of that "oooh she belittles and talks shit about him a lot (even there are no hits of kai actually liking his as a person) but actually hides her feelings that she likes him or she secretly likes him" character

it just gives the idea that the ways of showing love to your partner is to abuse or be toxic to them and even if she actually likes him it still glosses all of the shitty things that she did to ben

the only way to fix their dynamic is to rewrite kai completely cuz there is no way fixing that mess of a pairing that ship is toxic from top to bottom

[cyberfairyblog]

i feel bad for making all those kai green posts on my old blog. benkai still sucks though.

[celestial-moths]

Ben Wolf is such a great episode... the introduction of Blitzwolfer- the general misdirection of Ben’s slow transformation rather than instantaneous due to the omnitrix being stuck between capture and active modes as well as the beginning of the Season 3 Zs’skayr story arc. It’s a great episode.

All except for... Kai... Now look, I wouldn’t mind her if she was just a one time crush for Ben that had no bearing on anything further down... but she just sucks. She straight up says she wanted to keep Ben as a pet. What the actual heck?! And don’t even get me started on how Ester gets cheated in Omniverse... I’ll go into more about that when I get there...

[juniaships]

😂 Jora holiday aka my personal serotonin

I'm so sorry but I couldn't resist dunking on Kai XD

[thecncitygirls]

You're actually right! Even ignoring the incest aspect Bwen has a lot of the same problems BenKai has. (Always arguing or insulting each other, cant seem to agree on damn near anything, etc) What would make this pairing any better than BenKai???

Grits: At least Gwen and Ben had improved their relationship even in the future. With Benkai however, their relationship probably gotten so bad their son had to muck around the timelines just to fix it. Plus Gwen (and Julie, Ester, even Elena and Eunice) were much more likable than Kai.

Bwen would have the same issues as a romance, especially taking their OS personalities to account. Both would understandably barf at the mere mention of attraction.

Personally why I don't want Ben to have a belligerent girlfriend or one with too similar in personality to him is that their personalities would clash way too much for any real romantic chemistry to develop.