#anti barbara

[asongofstarkandtargaryen]

We can safely watch Batman the caped crusader

[punkeropercyjackson]

"We need to normalize kindness!"You guys can't even handle that making fun of eachother isn't a sign of love for everyone because some people can't handle it so it hurts their feelings and instead call them losers for it and prove their point that you're genuinely cruel

[reality-detective]

Anti-aging Hack - Barbara O'Neill 🤔

[trexiejan]

What Batman thinks of Starfire.

Okay so I've seen many people curious about what Batman thinks of Starfire. I've seen a lot of people say Batman hates her and that he doesn't trust her cuz she's an alien and cuz he's a dickbabs shipper. I will explain why those statement aren't true. That's not who the original Batman is.

Let's go back to the original canon before all the stupid ooc retcons were created.

The first time Batman ever mentioned Starfire's name was in Tales of The Teen Titans #50 (1985) where Dick and Kory have already been dating for years.

and behold

- Bruce never referred to Kory as "the alien" he called her by her real name.

- He knows his son is in a real serious relationship with her.

- Bruce never made any bad comments about her nor did he show contempt for their relationship.

- He acted like a kind father who just wants to know how his son is doing with the woman he loves.

The 2nd time he mentioned her is in Swamp Thing #53 (1986) where he defended Human/Alien relationships like Dick and Kory's.

again he called her by her actual name and showed no issue towards Dick and Kory's relationship.

The 3rd time was in Funeral For a Friend (1993) where Bruce greeted her and Dick. He was happy to see both of them attending Superman's funeral. And for the 3rd time he called her by her actual name.

The Original Batman was a kind father who respected his son's alien girlfriend. Who wasn't spiteful and xenophobic towards Starfire and doesn't compare her to Barbara. and no, he wasn't a pro-dickbabs shipper. That ship didn't even exist before they retconned a lot of shit.

That everything changed after Dick and Kory got broken up. Reason for their break up? The Bat-editorial demanded they wanted Dick Grayson back to the Bat-office. The Titans Editorial had no choice but to pull him out of the Titans books and hand him back to the Bateditorial.

The Bat-editorial didn't like the idea of Dick dating someone outside the Batfamily like Kory so they couldn't continue their relationship in the Bat-books. It needed to end. The original wedding plan for Dick and Kory got cancelled. They don't like Dick and Kory? Okay fine, no one is forcing them to like them, whatever.

but no they couldn't just move on and leave Dick and Kory's past relationship alone.

They just had to say something negative about their relationship and put down their shared history, didn't they.

Why?

Is that really necessary?

Why can't they just respect the love that Dick and Kory had for each other when they were together and leave it at that ?

Cuz they did love and care for each other. It was a genuine love.

You can ship him with another woman without undermining and invalidating his history with Kory.

Like what did Kory ever do to them to make them hate her so much.

After they deaged Barbara to be the same age as Dick and pushed them together as the new pairing, they made a lot of comics degrading Kory, minimizing her interactions with Dick, and retconning her history and relationship with Dick into a one sided sexual fling.

and they turned Bruce against Kory too. This is where the idea of Bruce being a "anti-Starfire" and "pro dickbabs shipper" started.

They created this retcon in Gotham Knight #43 (2000) where Bruce acted xenopobhic towards her, making him refer to Kory as the alien and belittling her relationship with Dick, something he's never done before. Just to portray Barbara as his one true love. Bruce has never even talked about Dick and Barbara before and now suddenly he's shipping them. This retcon is not only an assasination of Kory and Bruce's character, it has also done a lot of damage to people's perception of Bruce and Kory's relationship.

All of this for the sake of propping up a retconned romance.

Not only is Bruce mischaracterized here, Babs is also acting so weird and ooc.

There was no reason for her to moon and whine over Dick like a lovesick girl from highschool.

She was a congresswoman when Dick was still in highschool. She called Dick "a child" and "little brother". She wasn't interested with him, he was too young for her 😭

Barbara already had a life of her own and own relationships, she dated Superman and got enganged to Jason Bard 😭

Dick had a precocious crush on her but he moved on from her when he moved out of Gotham. Even the original dickbabs writer said they were never meant to be together 😬

Barbara and Dick weren't pining over each other when Dick and Kory dated for years!

Dick never even once mentioned Barbara's name in the New Teen Titans books!

There was no reason for Babs to pursue Dick and vice versa, Both have already moved on to other people but stupid dickbabs retcons just had to exist 🙄

So yeah Bruce only hates Starfire when he's written by dickbabs writers and bateditors.

He was fine with her in canon before they pushed their dickbabs agenda.

Even in elseworld stories where it's not written by dickbabs writers.

Like in the animated show He supported Dick and Kory's relationship.

and in Kingdom Come he literally went to find the best doctors to help cure Kory's illness 😭

There's no logical reason for Batman to hate Starfire other than just to shit on Kory and prop up Dickbabs.

the whole "He doesn't like her cuz she's a dangerous alien" form of excuse is also BS

his bestfriend is literally Superman, an alien who is far more powerful than Starfire, he's also teammates with Martian Manhunter who is also an alien 😩

Overall yeah Fuck Dickbabs. It's the only ship that is good at character assasinating characters.

[just-an-enby-lemon]

Batfamily Members as Book Tittles

Bruce Wayne:

Alfred Pennyworth:

Dick Grayson:

Barbara Gordon:

Jason Todd:

pt. 2

[fanfic-writer-and-rambler]

Oracle: Hood, you good? You've been laughing for three minutes.

Batman: Has he been hit by Joker gas?

Oracle: I'm not sure. Hood?!

Red Hood cackles while the villain he has is cuffed in front of him. Since they're not fighting he can show that he can't take Killer Moth seriously in his purple and orange villain suit.

Red Hood: Why are you wearing such bright colors and call yourself killer moth?!

Killer Moth (upset): At this point arresting me is less insulting.

Red Hood: You got striped leggings on, dude! How am I not supposed to laugh?! Hahahaha!

Killer Moth: I already lost. Stop laughing!

Red Hood: I need a moment, I've been holding this in since I saw that horrible outfit.

Oracle, holding back her laughter: Bat- Batman it's just Killer Moth.

Batman: Oh. Okay I've been there, he's fine just tell him to take the guy to Arkham. Mothman is sensitive.

Barbara, spitting out her drink: Mothman?!

Barbara presses a button for Jason to hear her.

Oracle: Hey, Hood Batman called him Mothman. You can use that too.

Red Hood: Like the stupid mythical creature! He's mothman! Hahahahaha!

Mothman (formally known as Killer Moth): Okay, uncalled for.

Mothman sniffles as Red Hood drags him away while continuing to laugh.

[erinwantstowrite]

I don't know if someone asked you this question yet

But what Hogwarts houses do you think the lof cast would be?

i might have some controversial opinions here so i should preface that i prefer the headcanon that the placements at Hogwarts are more decided on what you want rather than what you are. But also some of these are placed on their personalities

refresher for anyone that needs it or for anyone that doesn't know:

"You might belong in Gryffindor, Where dwell the brave at heart, Their daring, nerve, and chivalry Set Gryffindors apart You might belong in Hufflepuff, Where they are just and loyal, Those patient Hufflepuffs are true and unafraid of toil Or yet in wise old Ravenclaw, If you've a ready mind, Where those of wit and learning Will always find their kind Or perhaps in Slytherin You'll make your real friends, Those cunning folk use any means To achieve their ends"

Alfie- Hufflepuff

Bruce- Ravenclaw (curiosity is a big trait of his)

Dick- Gryffindor

Jason- Hufflepuff (i will die on this hill)

Tim- Slytherin (I am not opposed to Ravenclaw... but I feel like it just fits his character better)

Steph- Gryffindor!!!!

Damian- Slytherin

Cass- Ravenclaw

Duke- Gryffindor

Babs- Slytherin

Peter- Hufflepuff

Tony- Ravenclaw

Pepper- Gryffindor

Happy- Hufflepuff

There are others (like Natasha and Steve and them) but I honestly don't know as much about them

Qualities that tipped my decisions:

-All of the Hufflepuff characters could be considered for Gryffindor, but what sets them apart is that even when kind to a bunch of people, they are all people that guard their hearts close and value close bonds. Whereas Gryffindors are the type to jump into caring about people fiercely imo

-I think Dami fits all the houses very well. He's brave, loyal, loves to learn, and he's cunning. Ultimately, Slytherin fits his personality better, and it doesn't diminish his other qualities. You can be a Slytherin with a big heart, and Dami fits that bill for me (FUCK that whole "Slytherin is the evil house" bullshit that really grinds my gears)

-Tim being Slytherin... listen, he's got all of the Ravenclaw qualities. But he takes all of what he learns and he runs with it. He has goals and plans for shit that not even Bruce's level of paranoia can cover. He just so happens to have a big heart as well, in a slightly different way to Dami's

[cheolism]

just saw a post saying that if taylor swift and margot robbie meet tonight it would be barbie-ception but there’s no way taylor swift could ever be a barbie because of her blatant apathy towards the environment, dating of a rampant racist and bigot, and failure to speak on any current event that would require her to actually take on the political activist role she manicured for herself

[shinpikurage]

When Nancy falls into the Vecna trance and sees Barbara's dead body, and starts to have flashbacks, it shows me EXACTLY why she can't be with Steve

Steve will always remind her of the death of her best and (before Robin and Fred) only friend

She loved Barbara, much more than she "loved" (if she did) Steve, their relationship is just a reminder of a piece of her she lost, in many ways

[punkeropercyjackson]

Starfire is a black girl character.Even if her design was whitewashed in the Teen Titans cartoon,that dosen't mean her personality was.Cartoon Starfire ACTS like a black girl.She's me,she's plenty of other black girls,because she's a fucking black girl.Just because she's not a negative stereotype(in personality!She absolute should have black features like Cyborg and Bumblebee do and it was misogynoir on the crew's part to take them from her when she had them in the comics)dosen't mean she acts like a basic normie white girl.Teen Titans the show got her personality accurate to the comics even if it's kid friendly version of it and the DCAU sucks for countless reasons but one of them is turning Starfire into nothing other than Nightwing's girlfriend.That's what made Anna Diop's potrayal so perfect-Not only does she look like a human Starfire but she ACTS like too,both being because she's a black girl.You do NOT like Starfire if you don't need her to be black and yeah,she NEEDS to be black because if she's not then she's literally not even Starfire.Starfire's not a generic 'Girl™️ Character',Starfire is a black girl character for black girls,including trans black girls who can headcanon her as trans too if they want since she's not canonically cis and she's heavily autistic-coded too.Soft femininity and desirability≠White.Y'all telling on yourselves,especially the 'Dick Grayson has a thing for redheads' crowd using her as a prop for your faves two of which are white men and one of which only exists because they invented her to prevent Batman from dating a black Catwoman in the 60s due to segregation.Comics Starfire,both Cartoon Starfire's and Annakory are all Starfire.Dcau Starfire,og Rhato Starfire and Gabriel Picolo Starfire are posers

[haggishlyhagging]

Mary is wife, mother, and child to the same male power-figure. She is utterly meek, abject, passive. In her, the ancient power of the Goddess is captured, chained, used, cannibalized — "metaphysically cannibalized," in Ti-Grace Atkinson's critical phrase — domesticated and tranquilized. It is no accident that Mary is portrayed as giving birth in tranquility and bliss, as a reward for her asexuality and total submission (thus "redeeming" the crime of Eve)—while Christ, her son, takes on the suffering and dramatic childbearing role of the Mother. For he twists on the cross in labor, to give birth to a redeemed human race. Pierced by a soldier's sword, blood and water pour from his body—exactly as from a woman in childbirth. The figure displayed on the crucifix in Catholic churches particularly is a male parody of the female experience—of menstrual bleeding, of childbirth, of ontological physical suffering for the human race. But while Christ coopts this female experience into his own power and glory—women, who really do these things, have been forced to hide the signs of our bleeding and childbed "crucifixions" as unclean processes, and badges of corruption, inferiority, and shame. The deified male martyr flaunts his "sacrifice" everywhere, and we are supposed to bow down to it. Women, the real thing, are required by "decency" to hide our messiness out of sight.

-Monica Sjöö and Barbara Mor. The Great Cosmic Mother: Rediscovering The Religion of the Earth.

[trexiejan]

Why I don't like Barbara being shoehorned into the Titans.

Reasons why:

1. The main reason why she's on the team is because of Dick. Her relationship with the Titans has always been reliant on Dick. She never had any history with the Titans before retcons pushed her and dick together. She has become a character who hates being away from Dick and always wants to follow him in every mission he takes. When she's with the Titans, it only feels like it's because writers don't know what else to do with her other than making her follow Dick around like a dog.

2. It's part of the whole dickbabs agenda and dickkory erasure. Editorial loves to include dickbabs in everything and They hate the idea of Dick being paired or shipped with anyone other than Barbara. They know Starfire is Dick's other huge love interest and their relationship was a huge part of the Titans franchise. They don't like that so they want to erase that by shoehorning Barbara in the Titans and making Dick/Babs the focus on Titans stuff.

3. Barbara dumbs down the Titans so she can shine on their team.

Barbara especially as Oracle tends to be hyped up but the truth is she's not the only hacker or tech user in the entire dc universe. Titans has plenty of tech users. So in reality she's not needed by the Titans. She fills in niches that are already occupied by the Titans.

Dick - leader, martial artist, tactician, detective, tech user, hacker.

Cyborg - tech user, hacker and information broker.

Starfire - team mom

and all of the Titans are active communicators and they all know how to use a computer, and please starfire is an expert pilot, i remember she even owns a spaceship and hacked other alien ships. she knows how to operate a spaceship how much more using a computer 🙄

They don't need Barbara or Oracle's help for them to accomplish something using a computer or for them to be able to communicate to each other and reach out to other heroes.

The Titans can directly talk to each other through their communicators and earpieces and they have a huge computer at titans tower, and cyborg has all the high-tech stuff but when Barbara shows up, the Titans suddenly don't know how to call each other or use a computer, they make them rely on Oracle for communication and tech stuff.

The Titans are dumbed down to make Barbara shine as a tech user and to make her look smarter and useful to their team.

For example look at how Tom Taylor made Dick look dumb here. He had to call Barbara first and ask her to help him reach out to his own teammates when he can just call them right away on his own, it's funny because he wrote that Dick can't call his teammates directly because he lost signal yet he has the signal to call Barbara. Tom Taylor and his dumb excuses indeed 🙂

and look at Cyborg needing to be watched by Barbara as if his high-tech sensors are unable to detect the villains approaching his back, and lol Nightwing just stands there doing nothing while Barbara monitors his own teammates when that is supposed to be his job since he's their leader. He was nerfed into a lazy irresponsible leader that don't talk to his own teammates too much that he didn't even know his own teammate is in australia. He's not even allowed to use the titans computer when Barbara is around him.

and look at Kory, she never calls Barbara while on missions before and suddenly she has no clue what to do without Barbara guiding her move???

The Titans never needed Barbara to accomplish anything on their own. They've fully functioned and communicated with each other for decades without her. They never needed to be babysat by some girl from Gotham. Barbara has never even been mentioned once in the original New Teen Titans comics but they become the most dumbest useless versions of themselves when Barbara is suddenly around, she's written in a way that makes the Titans redundant, stealing their jobs and spotlight to make herself look like a badass hero. Nightwing can't act like a real leader and he can't talk to his own teammates, Cyborg can't be the tech user of the group, Raven can't be the voice of reason, Titans can't use a computer and other tech stuff etc. because she can't shine if they do that. The only way for her to stand out on a team she has nothing to do with her is by dumbing everyone around her.

Barbara should be with her own team Birds of Prey not on a team she has nothing to do with.

4. The Titans become another Batman-related group.

We all know the story of Dick when he joined the Titans. He left Gotham and quit being Batman's sidekick because he doesn't wanna be under Batman's shadow anymore. The Titans helped him be independent from the Bats.

I don't like that Barbara keeps invading his privacy and space. The Titans is supposed to be a place where Dick can be away from the Batfamily and do his own thing.

and the Titans is Dick's own team, I don't like the idea of Barbara overriding his own agency.

She needs to do something on her own without associating herself with Dick 24/7

Plus the Bats are pretty oversaturated in DC, we don't need them overtaking Titans as well.

If another Bat related character has to show up then it has to be just one of the robins since Robin is a titan character.

Batgirl or Barbara has never been a Titan. She only ever wants to show up because of her romance with Dick. I do think Dick/Babs relationship is a mistake and that It shoudn't have happened. It's not a good relationship if you have to shoehorn it in places it doesn't belong in and dumbing down other characters along the way just for it to make sense or make Barbara's presence in Dick's life stronger than it should be.

I wish editorial didn't retcon them into lovers. Their relationship did more damage to their characters and the people around them than when they were not together.

The "His older crush that he outgrew and learned to move on from" trope was already fine. I hate that they changed that story by aging down Barbara to be the same age as Dick so they can be together instead of just letting them move on from each other.

Dick wouldn't have to stay stuck with Barbara 24/7 and Barbara wouldn't have to keep following Dick around like a dog wherever he goes if they just kept it in the past.

[insomniac-jay]

Barbara Gordon as Oracle you have to stop. Your smoke too tough (having access to entire power grids and countless information). Your swag too different (being a disabled hero). Your bitch too bad (Dinah). They'll kill you (making you go back to being Batgirl).

[rokishimizu4]

Superpower for an older gentleman that’s not who he appears to be?

An older gentleman that looks to be around late 50s, early 60s, but still has the health, and strength of a late 20s, early 30s, mix martial arts master. He’s quite interested in the world around him and learning new things from the ‘younger’ generation. No one is quite sure if he is human or not, many of the gang members call him ‘Uncle Vampire’ due to his ability to make himself look much younger than he is, and when a fight is involved the enemies seem almost frozen under his gaze.

No one is quite sure where he was originally from, somewhere in Europe, as he likes his tea and coffee but also loves pasta with his very soul (will threaten to stab someone who breaks the pasta noodles with their hands) and knows far too many recipes from around the world to be normal.

Very much a gentleman,(might remind you of an Italian Alfred), but will not hesitate to break a plate over a rude customer’s head.

[rickmortyye]

Whether you agree with this article or not , you can't deny that there are So many DickBabs fans and writers who actually don’t care about Barbara as an individual character.

The current Nightwing run did very little with Barbara as an individual that’s completely unrelated to Nightwing.  In every single page of that book, She only exists to be Dick's lovesick clingy GF. 

Even in other books, she shows up just to be seen with him and will not stop mentioning him. She can't do anything without him nowadays.

What's also sad is that dickbabs shippers are fine when she's isolated from her own team and own agency as long as she gets to stay with Nightwing. None of them complained when Barbara was excluded from the recent Birds of Prey run. Her independence is sacrificed for the sake of shipping.

Barbara needs her independence back. She deserves better fans and better writers who ask for something that increases her value as a character. Not just being known as Nightwing's GF.