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smokerswifey · 10 months ago
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When I first read this when I was twelve I thought that this line was an edgy way of saying I love you .
I was not a smart kid.
Having grown up a bit and rewatched and reread FT a few times it has come to my understanding that Gray Fullbuster is suicidal .
I genuinely do not know how I missed that since he literally tried to use iced shell every season finale but no matter .
The fact that Gray is suicidal and he just said she is my power/will to live hits so fucking hard .
Because it basically means Juvia makes him want to live and if she wasn't there- well I don't even want to think about that 😭😭😭.
Ma boi has spent the whole series feeling he wasn't worthy of living and has been carrying guilt for a fucking decade .
And then this blue haired girlie pops up and relentlessly attacks this man with love and affection and hugs and food, trying to drill into his thick skull that he deserves everything in the world .
And he's finally accepted it .
Accepted that he deserves to be alive .
With his guild.
With his friends .
With Juvia .
He has finally stopped blaming himself for Ur's and Ultear's death and is finally making sure to live his life to the fullest for them .
He has finally accepted he deserves to be happy.
And I love that for him.
And I love him .
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darkcitrin · 2 years ago
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The philosophy of gruvians would be: “Take your power back and invest your energy more wisely. Some products are produced in order to consume them. FT for instance.”
So after I tried to creat understanding for anti gruvians through the question lense of gruvians (”Why do they waste their energy on “negatively”, on sth they hate and keep having energy to do that?”)...Which poses the following question, I guess, whether anti gruvians were even aware that they “were” “shipping gruvia on any level”, let alone if they “would agree with me on that” or “wanted to do that”.
Let’s continue and explore maybe the other side through the anti gruvia question filter “Why gruvians do not bother so much about this “toxic representation of an relationship and its effect on society, victims of toxic realationships” in order to creat understanding understanding for gruvians.
Since, I am not a gruvia shipper in the sensu stricto, but in the sensu of my last post, I will now try to bridge both sides by creating a common ground, to build a plattform we can understand each other by using the arguments I am aware of, as hints for its potential correctness.
Eventhough, it is true on a global scale that energy cannot be created nor destroyed/”wasted” and is transformable into each other and therefore there is only “one energy existing”, we are living in a world, which is chemically not an isolated environment, meaning energy transformed into some energy forms will not easily be stored than others and is under realistical world conditions not easily transformable into its former form.
Example chemical energy is stored easily into compounds like suggar, fat, proteins and in the electrical bonds they have. Eat them and you can fuel your chemical reactions, physical reactions, produce warmth and so forth. Warmth however is quite difficult to turn into chemical energy.
So we are living in a word, where it certainly can seem that the truth “that energy cannot be created nor destroyed” is rather irrelevant in order to live our lives, if not even to say it is beneficial to even despite this truth treat energy as if it is limited, rare, can be "wasted”, hoarded and “well invested”, or “differentiated” based on its attributes, appearance, usages. Following this logic we created different names for them aswell, in order to be able to speak about them, creating on the concept level an illusion, which is far more practical to use and adapt and therefore feeling “more realistic” than the truth itself. There is now just one big disadvantage of this agreement. Creating the illusion of variety can backfire if people forget that they are connected, transformable, meaning influencing each other, following an inherent pattern which cannot be changed. CREATING THE POSSIBILITY OF INCOHERENCE, plotholes the arch enemy of trust, coperation, understanding, growth, my brain cells and it can also creat inbalance, lack, suffering.
In this world you can “creat energy” by producing it following a receipt, follwing it step by step, following the rules (a plant getting all its needs met, can do photosynthesis and creat suggar etc., readers getting their emotional needs and hopes met, creat love and appretiaion in return) OR you can simply “consume it”, transform it into things you want it to be, or selecting the nutritions you need from it and discard the rest.
We as energy beings do both, but gruvians and anti gruvians are chosing different approaches if it comes to their shipping experience.
And now it will get interesting, Gruvians do not like to put realistic standarts on an anime, however they seem to be more accepting of the reality than anti gruvians, or maybe accepting is the wrong word since they also turn off reality by enjoying animes as we do, they are following the rules of the realistic world more obediant: “Reality is what it is”, similar to “the work of this mangaka is what it is”, “the canon relationship is what it is”, not question it, or even bother with its conceptional level, its messages, its influences it has in general or towards some groups of people, or whether they want to change it or not, stand for it or not, support it indirectly or not. They focus on the product not on the spiritual, message layer of it, and whether it was meant as propaganda, conveys a political toxic message. As long as it exists it has value for them and is successful, and therefore "critizing" its other layers "after" it was already published, is "pityful", must be a product of jealousy, disrespect towards the authors efforts who just fallowed the demands of the fans/publishers/manga expectations/manga industry/standart rules of trope usgaes etc. Therefore... “Are you attacking their demands/mangas of our time in general, which gives them joy if you critize it?” Well, then they will protect the mangaka and attack you instead. Mangas are so frequently produced by copying, recycling tropes, so there cannot be anything wrong with that so WHY critizing it in general (energy waste) or in particular in case of their beloved anime/ ship? Is this a crusade only against their sources of happiness? How dare you.They totally dismiss the opprtunity, that critic can be used as improvement and be appreciatet or even considered as beneficial or welcomed. Maybe since they never experienced this possibility in reality.
And Since their consumption strategy does not need to concern about that, whether it makes sense, follows a coherent logic, is healthy or toxic, it takes what it needs and “hates” the rest, it selects afterwards. They creat energy in their fandom not by fallowing the source material and enjoying its coherency. But creating their own coherency and see plotholes even as space to fill it with their own ideas. They do not see mangas as a tool of value expression of the author and thereby untouchable for fanchanges, or to teach its readers values, lessons like real fairy tales used to.
“Anti Gruvia”s on the other hand, believe that the world can change, improve if the concept level is corrected and believe that this is easier done in 2 D level than 3 D level. Seeing coherency in the 2D world, gives them energy and validation that there is a possibility for the 3D world to improve aswell.
If they meet people with red flags, they know, these are already toxic on their belief / concept level and every action they do and the consequence of it is an manifestition of it and it would take less energy to correct the concept level in time than to deal with the consequence mess afterwards. Therefore, if they manage to creat or correct media with heathy relationship presentations...
What if these toxic people would learn to correct their ways by education, or feel ashamed doing their misdeeds, get into therapy earlier, work on their self love before getting into a relationship and thereby not letting their own children suffer the consequences of their own childhood traumas, or if the increased awareness of toxic and healthy relationships protects people to get into a bad one in the first place or would help people stuck in those, since people of their environment would not normalize bad relationships and would more likely intervene and help them by “seeing the problem earlier”. Media can reach far more people and you “will not get directly confronted/attacked by toxic people” (disputable big time) but on the same time still get active and not “just accept” the problems.
However, we humans are not living concepts, since most of us are not even aware of our concept, therefore sending energy to correct it... “won’t work” and is an “energy waste”, if they are not welcoming it. Since if sb. is already manifesting toxic traits on a behaviour level / or manga level , they are not critical about their own concept/ the concept of their art work or able to do so (abilities or pressures of expectations). This cannot be changed by words alone and “anti blogs”.
Furthermore, it will be seen as a personal attack on them, rather on their behaviour/concept and the critics will get attacked instead. Therefore gruvians wonder why anti gruvians are doing it. Why not consume it as it is and then change it later in your fanfictions if you dislike some parts of it? Why not accept reality and enjoy animes and mangas in your spare time as compensation? Why wasting “energy on fighting” rather than “enjoying/consuming/rebuilding” art? “Why treating manga characters like people and hold them to the same realistic standarts if your interest “should be/suppose to be” to read mangas to flee from reality and its standarts in the first place? “This does not make sense.”
The reason for that would be that most anti gruvians experienced the toxic consequences of a person with such a mindset, felt powerless towards them, and do not want to act in the same way like them, even in their spare time. These toxic individuals consumed them, not seeing them as equals, with a soul, a heart who can be worn out but as someone to consume, whose energy, attention, can be taken, hoarded and their feelings can be dismissed, demanded to change towards them by making them feel inadequat to feel these negative emotions in the first place, and being patient until they change their feelings “on their own” aka after pressure usage/ gaslighting/ creating dependency. And whenever they confronted these people  “come up with a fanfiction” instead of excusing their behaviour, beliefs, they reinterpretated their actions, or rediculed the perception of their “victim”, “supposed friend, family member, partner”, did not care for a truth outside their own conception or what they felt was relevant/practical/normal/made for them sense or which they were used to. Those people frequently believed to act toxic would not be toxic if they would copy behaviours already normalized in media since it could not be toxic if it is normalized in media and in the world, right? Wrong. “Jealousy is seen as sign of love in media, why shouldn’t it be in the real world aswell?” Since if you are healthy you would not feel jealousy at all...
So “their tongue” of anti gruvians is burned. They cannot easily “just consume things” as indifferently as others since they cannot enjoy something like that,, they select their media and when their media then turns sour they feel on one level betrayed. Anti gruvians associate with consumption negative things like exploitation. SInce they do not wish to be exploiters they invest themselves in their media they consume, feeling with the characters more strongly, seeing incoherency more clearly. They feel with the construct not just eat it. So yeah they project onto these characters aswell, however we all are doing it while reading manga to an extend.
So there is now a final conflict. The way of anti gruvians could have worked (at least in theory) if it would not be for the mere existance of fans “just consuming” manga.
To be honest, it is now also too late for Mashima to either break gruvia up or make them healthy, we would not be able to believe this “development” anymore.
Transforming bad works, while they are getting supported by consumers.... will bring no change on the material level. Sadly. So invest your energy in good work, deattach from it. Believe that quality will conquer at the end also these fans if they are ready for it. Your support anti gruvians of media with healthy relationships representation is far better invested, but it is not easy since I myself know the feeling of going “no contact” feels like “ghosting sth you once loved or walk out on sb/ betray yourself, others, your once favourit character, your hopes, predictions for this story, is feeling like you would forsake your ideals”.
But it is not. Not in this world we are living in. In this illusional world, it needs lack of attention from others for people to self reflect and change their work/ways. They need time and space. Let us give it to them then. No attention will get this better done than negative attention.
Furthermore, this manga is nowadays drawn to be consumed. This was established with Lucys final worlds in season 3. Every other volum afterwards, season was done under pressure with the purpose to sell and to get all parties involved in its production getting paid a living wage. This mangas success/ sells is now attached to their survival, it does not intent to continue or ever produce a masterpiece with great characters or messages anymore.
Mashima even said so in an interview. He was not planning in advance anymore since he worked on several projects at once. Since he didn’t need to and it was still sold. After volume 3 FT was classified as Ecchi manga, the tropes were increasing, the characters were degressing, the quality plumbed. Previous, only Lucys stellar spirits were comedy relief characters in the series while not even being human characters. This changed. Mashima recycled previous scenes of previous intended ships, in order to creat as many ships as possible and not have to invent new scenes, he did not even paid attention to the colour of Juvias crest, or position of scar. He got sloppy. The manga was kept produced to make the most of the nostalgia of our anti gruvians loyality or of the consume nature of gruvians (I use these groups here as example for the whole fandom). This was easily noticeable how Gray rejected Juvia several times and moments later a "gruvia moment happened". They played both groups.
The later group is far more immune to “these games”, since it is in their interest that it continues one way or the other. Living after this motto, I imagine at least " You live your life, were you cannot change much and have to accept much but at least FT continues, the gruvia fandom exists and it is even better that it is not "finished" / already become “official, canon undisputable” and is an up and forth since this prolongs the series and gives our fandom creativity opportunities". They do not care (as much) about its consistency or whether it treats the character development "respectfully" for their characters. They just need new input which brightens their week once a week, which looks beautiful. If they already have to accept/accepted to live in a world of illusion why be as strict or even stricter to their leisure time pleassure which "is not hurting anyone", "should not be taken serious", " is meant to be comedy, harmless, funny, not to be taken serious but lightly".
And since the mangaka concepted his work now to be consumed and seem not to care either about plotholes, character development either, "why do anti gruvians do"? They "obviously are the ones mistaken here, to think they can change the outcome". It is already "decided as canon", “now make the most of it in fandom or leave the fandom”, since "they do not want to be reminded in their spare time, leisure pleassure about real world standarts." Since manga anime, fandom is their way to cope with it by deattaching from it, by making the best out of this mess, “at least in this world also fandoms exist”. AND They cannot understand why? seem to struggle to enjoy these fandoms in the same way as they do and out of my experience have less patient to understand the other side since anti gruvians using 2D material to understand other perspectives and are trained in it while gruvians are not.
They consume 2D stories and make the characters occ if needed to process or achieve their own psychological, emotional needs through fanwork. They project onto their reinvention of these characters not so much on the original characters as a whole. By consumption the source material, rebulding it and getting praised by other gruvians for their fanworks, they creat independently their own happiness. (The quality of their fanwork is in general also far better than the source material at least in the health degree). They do not wish to change the world, to understand it or other beliefs or the messages of the mangas they read. They are reading them in order to have a good time, to get energy and happiness by being active in fandoms and doing so gives them energy to continue living in our world.
Now, as mentioned before, FT is somehow a special case, since it started differently. Therefore, it would be unfair to say to anti gruvians, "hey why do they even start to read it, if they were "not into it", "enjoying it" "getting energy/ happiness from it (anymore)"?. But in the same time it is the reality now for several volumes that FT is a manga produced for easy entertainment, money making and consumption. It has no values, stories anymore to convey.
So "just eat it or starve it".
The only "transformational power" you as reader posses at this point is "fandom" like the gruvians are doing it or by supporting a competitor in hopes the author will blindly copy aspects he seem to be popular from this competitor for his own work. These are the game rules of our world.
And your life energy and happiness are valuable and limited. So why wasting it on sth. you dislike?
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fairytailfanatic · 6 days ago
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Hot Take: I like Juvia and her characterization
Juvia grew up being treated as the bane of everyone's existence. She is always the reason it's raining and people can't go out. She makes hundreds of rain dolls to try to ward the rain away. All of the mistreatment made her bitter towards the world and other girls that could have the romance she always wanted. That's why she joined up with Phantom Lord, her rain was seen as a remarkable power in the guild so she convinced herself she was okay with it. Then all of a sudden she meets a man that can make the rain go away, the one thing she's always wanted. He acknowledges her strange character quirks that have always been veiled by her rain. Imagine spending your whole life ostracized and then someone appears that sees you as a full person. I would also fall in love. She's a lot because her whole life she had to be so little. I recognize the feeling.
Also I know anti-juvia people will point out that she has all those dolls of Gray, you remember the hundreds of rain dolls she made as a kid? Gray stopped the rain. Gray is the rain doll that worked. I do wish this was more obvious but that's what fandoms are for
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cheesydelphox · 1 year ago
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can we please talk about how egregious this glow down was
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anti-gruvia-blog · 3 months ago
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Erza legit encourages Juvia to keep being a disgusting creep instead of telling her to respect Gray’s boundaries.
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smokerswifey · 10 months ago
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OK this has been on my mind for a while
For the past month, some really toxic graylu shippers and anti gruvia/ juvia's have been getting really toxic on tumblr ( and twitter )
Especially @graylunation ( who is a grown ass woman, her age will be relevant later in this post )
Obviously the problem isn't the fact that these people love graylu and dislike gruvia and juvia .
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and graylu make a good looking couple so tbh I can't blame them .
And them not liking gruvia and juvia for various reasons is not anyone's business at all .
But THE problem is that they have been BOMBARDING juvia and gruvia positive posts with hateful and frankly disgusting comments which is such a pain in the ass because as I said before ppl are allowed to like what they want without being slandered and bullied .
And specifically@graylunation has been the one, bothering us the most, leaving every single gruvia/juvia post with hateful comments and it has been SUCH a PAIN .
The thing that pisses me off the most is that she's a huuuuuuge hypocrite ! She constantly whines on posts, telling ppl to stop criticising Graylu shippers, she tells people that her page is specifically about graylu and asks for no hate comments, when she literally hates on every gruvia/juvia post and goes on gruvia/juvia pages despite not liking it just to harass the person who created the page ! Hypocrital much ??
The worst thing is she keeps calling JUVIA a R@PIST ??? Does she even know what R@PE means ???
This is so unfunny how can you compare a lovestruck girl and her temporary unrequited crush to a r@pist and r@pe victim .
The furthest Juvia has done touching Gray is just giving him surprise hugs and she lets him go when he complains to much, how can someone in their right mind equate that to r@pe ??
And wherever there is a fanart or official art with bby boy Greige she keeps saying Juvia must've had to grape him to have his babies like wtf is wrong with you, his biggest fantasy is starting a fam with her, how delusional could you be .
I can't believe someone would bring up a topic as unfunny R@PE just because you're bitter a fictional pairing you liked didn't end up together like dude you're a grown ass woman, it's time question you're behaviour .
Honestly this woman sucks ASS and i feel rlly bad for other Graylu shippers being associated with such a wackjob .
This whole ordeal has been so annoying and I hope it stops .
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smokerswifey · 10 months ago
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This would be a really great post if you weren't one of the biggest hypocrites I have seen on this app .
A few days ago a gruvia fan posted a photo from twitter about her and other gruvia fans talking about the ship that they like and how they like juvia in a perfectly reasonable way without targeting ANYONE .
Yet this one Graylu shipper ( I said one because not all graylu shippers are toxic, just like not all gruvia shippers are toxic, I suggest you do the same nex time) started bombing the completely positive chat with negative comments about the ship and the character and started disrespecting their opinion and trying to convince them that their opinion was wrong .
These are things that you have said in this very post are wrong because as you said people are entitled to their opinion and that everyone is allowed to hate/love whatever character they want .
Yet you commented on the gruvia fan post that said that they would show each time she would get harrased by that graylu fan :
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So if a gruvia fan wants to harass Ă  graylu fan about their ship they're in the wrong .
But if a graylu fan does it they're just " sharing their opinions " and the person who was just showing her hateful encounters has " no life "
Their is NOTHING wrong with having a different opinion than others but their is something wrong when you keep harrasing people about their own opinions and trying to force them into changing their opinions .
You literally said this in your post but when it applies to graylu shippers they aren't doing anything wrong .
You are a very biased person and honestly I hope there will be no stupid ship wars anymore because people shouldn't be fighting over what they enjoy .
here we go again.
i wrote a post about ship i like and i posted my opinion, which bothers people. i find this funny. like gruvia fans harras graylu fans and otherwise. then you cant have your own opinion? like i dont know you will be proselyted because fans of other ships will convince you? that is not how it works. stop writing to me, i will not answer to that, because im tired of explaining why i think like that and leave your right to yourself.
if you people keep doing that, there will be war and war. you really want that? you all are that stubborn?
and of course i dont like Juvia. You dont have character you hate/love? so stop and dont embarass yourself.
Ships are meant to make love, not war!
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sirclowniey · 6 months ago
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ill never forgive mashima for what he took from us
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srry ill actually never get over this
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captainuranium543 · 4 months ago
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My thoughts on gruvia
So I wanted to make this post because I've been rewatching gmg recently and I wanna talk about it a bit.
Before I begin I know gruvia is a very polarizing ship so I'll make my own opinion clear, I don't hate gruvia but I also don't think it was very well executed in cannon. If you love gruvia this isn't against you at all, my intention with this isn't a hate post just to look at a weird decision made in gmg for gruvia from a writing standpoint and talk a little about it.
The biggest issue most people have with gruvia is that juvias obsession with gray is taken WAY to far sometimes and ends up feeling more creepy then funny or romantic. I agree with that point but also I do try to keep in mind that gags aren't really meant to be taken seriously. There is a limit to what I can write off as a gag but for the most part early on juvia fell within that limit, from my perspective I tend to take things as seriously as the characters around do meaning if their reaction is mild annoyance, I won't take it to seriously. While their reaction is genuine discomfort, I will. Early on, all of juvias romantic advances/creepy moments had been gags that where within the reasonable range that I could laugh off. This changed though in gmg.
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Ok so starting off mid gmg gray has a very serious talk with erza. I disagree with a lot of people on this conversation because a lot of people seem to think this is her tell gray to love juvia. Gruvia lovers and haters alike seem to think this but I really don't see it that way. I think she's quite literally just telling gray to be direct with her about how he feels.
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Up until this point because everything has been gags we've never really taken juvia seriously, gray has never had a moment where he has actually acknowledged and confronted her feelings for him and told her how he feels in return. Erza is basically telling him to stop just brushing off or avoiding her advances and just be direct with her, whether you like someone back or just want them to leave you alone being direct is good advice.
It's advice that gray takes to heart as we see here in the final episode of gmg
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I really don't understand where people get the idea that erza was saying he needs to accept juvias love because this scene is literally him taking her advice and his answer is "no I don't like this leave me alone please". This would be fine but what happens next is just downright confusing
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She just, doesn't care?? I genuinely don't understand why this scene was added in at all if it wasn't gonna matter. Like I said I can write off most gags but this was NOT a gag. Gray had a very serious talk with a close friend where he got the advice to be direct, he had a very serious moment where he very seriously took that advice and told juvia exactly how he feels, why does she just ignore it??? It's such a weird decision to make because it makes all of juvias future advances come off WAY creepier then they did before even when they are just gags because gray has already very seriously told her to stop.
I've heard some argue that gray actually does like juvia he's just afraid to admit it and he's forcing himself to say he doesn't like her in this scene, but regardless of whether he secretly feels something for her a no is a no and it's reaaalllyyy creepy to just not accept that. Hear me out here, what if right after gray did this juvia listened.
She did back off of him and gave him his space, then if you still wanted them to have a relationship maybe gray starts to miss her? Give him some autonomy and room for us to actually see him develop genuine feelings for her rather then having her force them onto him because without seeing Gray's side it just feels one sidedly obsessive. I know people argue he's just afraid to confront his feelings but you need to actually show us that, give him a scene where he's thinking about her or actually missing her in some way when she's not around if you want to show us that gray isn't just being forced into things he doesnt want. If juvia had backed off here I would have probably liked the ship a lot more A) because it would give gray room to develop on his own and B) it would show that juvia has restraint and genuine respect for Gray's feelings even if he doesn't like her the way she likes him.
Rant over, again no hate to gruvia fans. It's fiction I don't actually take it to seriously if you love gruvia live your truth🙏🙏. I like gruvia in theory it's just poorly executed sometimes and I could fix it fr fr
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smokerswifey · 7 months ago
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Did you even read the paragraph ?? They don't interact with @grayluforever she just keeps randomly spawing in gruvia/juvia posts relentlessly harassing people in the comments with opinions that nobody gives a f about . Maybe tell your friend to keep her opinions to herself and the graylu and nali fandom.
Your friend grayluforever is harassing us on twitter and I see you posted my friend’s page telling others to block her because you claim she’s stalking @grayluforever . I mean my home girl post proof of grayluforever bothering us. Always coming into pro spaces bothering us. Like do not care that she like graylu we just care that she’s so adamant on making us like them too and wanting us to hate Juvia, Gruvia, and NaLu. Like she has the right to hate those things just like we have the right to love those things. Most of my moots on twitter are friends with Nathan who is a huge graylu fan but we don’t ship on him because she’s not being weird towards us. My friend would have messaged you but she said you have her blocked because she couldn’t see the post when I sent it to her. Maybe you should follow Grayluforever on twitter who is graylusupremacy on there and see how she’s always bothering us and also she’s also very homophobic too. None of which we asked for her to expose us to.
Do you support your so called friend’s behavior? She claims to hate Juvia but she’s exactly who she claims Juvia is. She stalks about pro Gruvia, Juvia, and NaLu post just to shit on them. She also supports an actual abusive character from Helluva Boss. She always saying Juvia is this horrible person and that’s her right to think that but her fave from another series is just that too.
My friend told me to tell you this. She will leave grayluforever alone when someone can get grayluforever or graylusupermacy as they are known on twitter and don’t forget their other page on there too stellagoetiafan to leave us alone. That’s all we want. My friend figured exposing them would make them leave us alone but she just amped it up. It’s almost like she has her notifications turned on so she can bother us even more. She never misses a beat.
If you gonna call out my friend for exposing then I need you to call out your friend for bothering us in our spaces. What’s right is right? And what wrong is wrong.
My friend and I have nothing against you but please get the full story before siding with a crazy person who actively comes into spaces of people who are only talking about their favorite ships and characters just to shit on them. Us talking about our faves shouldn’t cause a person to do what they are doing.
It’s one thing if someone is bothering them but it’s an asshole move to go into folks spaces and bother them when all they are doing is enjoying their ships or favorite characters.
That is all and I hope you are having a good day and will next time get the entire picture.
Then please just don't interact with @grayluforever anymore
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fairy-without-a-tail · 2 months ago
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Why do people forget Juvia is a grown woman? What adult decides ‘yeah, I’m just going to sit in the rain until this guy comes back no matter how long it might be’. Six months! What if it’d been even slightly longer? With no healer, Juvia would have killed herself, and it would have been her fault. It’s not romantic it’s stupidity.
She followed Gray. And it is canonically said that she kept trying to sleep with him (in the bed but I think we all know she probably wanted something more) and Gray had to push her out.
The rain came back because she was obsessed with Gray and made everything about her, him. That’s not healthy!
Not leaving a note was dumb (and a dick move). However with the way she acts, what is the chance she’ll try to follow him? And she couldn’t join Avatar because she’d blow their cover. Gray had personal reasons to join, he had devil slayer magic, he was the perfect choice. Juvia had none of those. And whose to say they’d get any information because Juvia would be possessive (especially around Briar).
I just wish the writers and fans would give Juvia the respect she deserves. Because no one respects her, not really. We can say she acts the way she does because of her trauma and obvious abandonment issues, but how many years will it take of her character not changing until we can say ‘she deserves better’? A love interest that has shown to care about her romantically (and not just shoved in after years), a true friendship with another woman, becoming the powerhouse she was when she was first introduced. If anyone respected her they’d want her character to grow, to change, to become more than just her love for Gray. I don’t like her behaviour towards Gray, obviously, because it’s extremely toxic and creepy, however I also don’t like it because that’s all her character seems to be. I liked Juvia when she was introduced and I thought her little crush on Gray was cute. But it didn’t end. And like I said at the start, Juvia sitting in the rain for six months isn’t just stupid, it’s an insult to her character.
If a guy (or girl) isn’t showing you any interest or not being clear, stop trying to get him to. (And maybe it’s just me, but throughout the series I’ve always registered Gray’s behaviour towards Juvia as a clear ïżœïżœno’. Take that scene during GMG, when Erza tells him to be clear
he has been! He has shown no romantic interest. How is it Gray’s flaw if Juvia can’t take a hint or see what’s in front of her? Why is no one telling her that maybe she should cut her losses. If he wants to be with her, he will be. (And maybe it’s just me again, but spending all your time with one person isn’t going to endear them to you. It’s going to smother them.) (For goodness sake, the dialogue in the game even has Gray saying he doesn’t feel like his body is safe).
In conclusion, Juvia is more than her love for Gray and deserves to be seen as such.
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jadeluz-writes · 1 year ago
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Y'know what, maybe I'll just pretend Fairy Tail ends at the Edolas Arc so it's a win for everyone. Lisanna comes back alive, there's no Zeref to worry about, Loke and Lucy are hinted with the "Is he your boyfriend?", Juvia and Gray don't end up together, not much of the Mystic/Jellal & Erza bs, and so forth.
That means you'd get about 95 episodes without having to worry about fanservice or forced pairings with just a tiny bit of filler in the middle. It's before it gets all "what the fuck is happening/why are we wasting so much time" segment and arcs.
A perfect ending in the rain while most of the characters concerns are finally resolved. It would be an intense, but well-executed ending instead of what we actually got.
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idontusethissiteeither · 3 months ago
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My thoughts on Gray and Gruvia
Hey everyone.
I’ve been a fan of Fairy Tail for a long time, and one character I’ve always liked is Gray. He’s consistently shown depth, integrity, and a strong sense of right and wrong. However, there’s one aspect of the series that’s been bothering me for a while now: Gray’s relationship with Juvia. Despite all the red flags, uncomfortable moments, and outright toxic behavior from Juvia, the narrative seems determined to force this relationship into something it’s clearly not.
What follows is a breakdown of why I believe this relationship is problematic, how it undermines Gray’s character, and why it’s not the romantic story that some fans, particularly “Gruvians,” seem to think it is. As well as talk about the 180 in Gray’s personality in the 100 Year Quest.
Let’s break down the ridiculousness of Gray and Juvia’s so-called “relationship” after the battle in the last arc.
First of all, after all the build-up, Gray still didn’t give Juvia an answer. Instead, he tried to use the Ice Shell spell—a move that would erase him from existence. It’s a clear indicator that Gray was ready to sacrifice himself for the greater good, but of course, Juvia had to make it about herself. She "sacrificed" herself for Gray during the battle, and this is where the narrative completely goes off the rails.
While Gruvians see this as some grand, romantic gesture, it’s painfully obvious that Juvia’s “sacrifice” wasn’t as selfless as it’s made out to be. Her body can turn into water, meaning the blade could have gone through her without causing fatal damage. But instead, it feels like she deliberately made herself vulnerable to force Gray into a corner, emotionally manipulating him into acknowledging her feelings. And unfortunately, it worked. Gray, being the good-hearted person he is, said he’d take her feelings into account now, which just feels like an obligation rather than genuine affection.
To make matters worse, the creators claimed that the transfusion Juvia gave Gray is the reason he starts falling for her. What? That’s not only ridiculous but also a flimsy excuse for Gray’s sudden change of heart. It undermines all the growth and depth Gray had as a character. He didn’t fall in love with her because he was emotionally or romantically invested in her—he fell in love because of a blood transfusion? That’s not love; that’s poor writing.
And even after all of that, Gray still doesn’t give her a straight answer. He promises to do so after the 100-year quest, which he doesn’t even bring her along for. Yet, fast forward to the sequel, and suddenly, Gray’s done a complete 180. He’s talking about being the best man for Juvia and, apparently, thinking of her when the topic of romance comes up. Really? After years of rejecting her, setting boundaries, and making it clear that he wasn’t interested, we’re supposed to believe that now, all of a sudden, he’s deeply in love with his stalker?
Gruvians take this as a huge victory, but the reality is that Gray isn’t acting out of love—he’s acting out of guilt and obligation. Let’s not forget that Gray has a tragic history of losing people who sacrificed themselves for him, starting with his mentor Ur and later Ultear, both of whom truly cared for him. When Juvia “sacrificed” herself for Gray and survived, it’s not hard to see why he might feel indebted to her. But that’s not the same as romantic love. It’s survivor’s guilt, plain and simple. Gray is putting Juvia’s happiness above his own, disregarding his own feelings because he feels like he owes her something for what she did.
And honestly, if Gray truly is in love with Juvia now, after everything he’s been through and after rejecting her repeatedly, then it’s nothing short of character assassination. The writers have completely twisted his personality to appease Gruvia shippers, ignoring all the red flags in their relationship and pretending like Gray’s long-standing discomfort with Juvia never existed. This new Gray feels like a hollow version of the character we once knew, crafted solely to pander to fans rather than stay true to who he is.
What’s even more frustrating is the lack of discussion around how bad this writing is. Why aren’t more people talking about how Gray’s character has been butchered in the sequel? It’s disheartening to see fans celebrate these new developments when they clearly ignore all the signs that this relationship is built on manipulation, guilt, and toxic behavior. Gray deserved better than to be paired with someone who stalked him for years and ignored his boundaries. Instead, the writers decided to force this unhealthy dynamic into something it never should have been.
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smokerswifey · 8 months ago
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Y'all I have an annoucement 😔 :
I am tragically LEAVING the gruvia fandom to join the graylus .
I FINALLY realised that gruvia is a TRASH ship and juvia is an annoying clingy lady who cries to much.
Graylu is soooooooooo much better because-
Because.... because they're both hot and they talk to each other a lot so ergo they are meant to be !!
@graylunation was right I am so sorry for not seeing the light sooner Graylu is light and gruvia sucks 😭😭😭
@gruvialover @dontmatterblog @fuckyeahgruvia @gruvialove @gruvians @juvia-and-gray @juviandgray4ever-blog
To all the gruvia and juvia blogs I admired in the past we shall sadly be ennemies from now on đŸ„șđŸ„șđŸ„șđŸ„șđŸ„ș
GOODBYE GRUVIA FANDOM 😭😭
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vaelynez · 6 months ago
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Hey random question but you as frustrated as I am that Lamia has not had a single appearance in 100 year quest? Even Kagura had a single panel with speech but the Lamia Crew (other than an image with Toby on the toilet) has none!
Thank you for the ask! 💕
Let me preface what I’m about to say because this fandom can be a little bit up in arms about this; I have no ill will in saying this towards anyone, this is simply my opinion. I’m fine with discussions on this topic, but I will not tolerate unnecessary hate if it comes.
Moving on
confession time. I haven’t read the 100 YQ. I’ve been avoiding it because Gruvia makes me really uncomfortable for reasons I’m not going to get into in this post, and to my understanding it’s filled with it now that it’s canon. Yes, when a ship is canon it’ll get page time, but I can’t stomach this ship at all. Again, it makes me viscerally uncomfortable.
On the topic of Lamia Scale, I’m always down for more content with them. I love the entire crew so so much. But knowing Hiro Mashima, the appearance would be centered around Lyon and Juvia. While Luvia doesn’t make me uncomfortable like Gruvia does, I don’t like it—I personally feel like the entire thing completely destroyed everything established about Lyon’s character, and I might make a full analysis about it one day, but this fandom scares me and I’m not in the mood to get into internet fights over ships. I have a job and stories to write and summer classes to focus on.
In an ideal world I’d love more content with them. There’s so much to explore with the Lamia Scale crew as a team and individual characters, Gray and Lyon’s relationship has so much nuance and I love to analyze the scenes they have together.
But personally, with the direction the series has taken in regard to these characters (Sherry please come home we miss you. Yuka and Toby deserve so so much more. Like just a smidge of backstory I’m begging you. Jura as a mentor figure PLEASE. Lyon’s growth as a character is so compelling and yet you focus on this stupid jealousy plot that completely undermines his past and current goals—), I don’t think I’d actually like the scenes written.
This is all my personal opinion! Again, I’m not trying to shame anyone who likes/read 100 YQ. I want to read it, I do, but again
Gruvia

Respectfully, if any Gruvia shippers see this and feel the need to argue with me, I am entitled to my opinion even if you disagree with it. Nothing you say will make me support this ship for a plethora of reasons that would make this post way, way too long. Lets save both of our energy. The Gruvia tag is waiting for you to consume all the content to your hearts content.
Again, thank you for the ask! Have a good day peeps. 💕
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grayza-shipper · 19 days ago
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Please tag properly, so that your posts don’t create arguments.
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