#anti anti juvia

[beebeeswee]

i will be a juvia defender until the day i die.

i really do welcome anyone to dm me or send me an ask and i'll talk about this more - because i really think anti-juvias completely misunderstand both her and gray's characters, and the context of the show they're in.

juvia is a character who has been excluded her entire life, her magic made her abandoned by and outcasted from her peers and former romantic partners. then she meets gray, the only person in her whole life who has stopped the rain (and when he leaves her the rain comes back), and she falls in love with him and the rest of fairy tail, where she finds people who accept her wholeheartedly. i think it's beautiful that she's able to stay resilient and wear her heart on her sleeve after everything she'd been through.

gray is a character who doesn't believe he deserves love, he has such a deep self-loathing he can't imagine a world where he's worthy of happiness after 'everything he's done', and juvia is someone who loves him unconditionally, who never turns away from him, despite everything he's done to her. part of his development over the main series and 100yr quest is him realising that about himself. they heal each other.

the biggest complain that anti-gruvias have is that she's a 'sexual predator' and a 'stalker'. @ermbehindyou made the excellent point that if she's a sexual predator by that logic so is gray - his constant stripping (even infront of minors!) would be enough to get him on a list in pretty much every country in the world. but that is naturally ridiculous.

(mentioned multiple times in this scene that he is fully nude - not just in his underwear and wendy is on the boat the entire time).

fairy tail is a show that plays on sexual gags constantly, which i do take a real issue with. but that's the show, that's the humour and standards set from the beginning of the main series, and like most of the characterisation of the show, it has become insanely exaggerated as the series progressed. having said that, i think it's misogynistic to single out juvia's actions and ignore the actions of every other character. and i mean that.

call me a crazy feminist all you want but i think many of you are seeing a confident, unashamed female character with overt sexual desires and it repulses you, because it doesn't conform to society's standards of femininity. this was definitely not mashima's intentions when writing her - but his interpretations of her aren't relevant to this debate anyway are they?

i'll end this by saying juvia and gray truly match each other's freak when the humour allows it; but who show true and serious displays of selfless love for one another when it matters, and it's beautiful.

[fairytailfanatic]

Hot Take: I like Juvia and her characterization

Juvia grew up being treated as the bane of everyone's existence. She is always the reason it's raining and people can't go out. She makes hundreds of rain dolls to try to ward the rain away. All of the mistreatment made her bitter towards the world and other girls that could have the romance she always wanted. That's why she joined up with Phantom Lord, her rain was seen as a remarkable power in the guild so she convinced herself she was okay with it. Then all of a sudden she meets a man that can make the rain go away, the one thing she's always wanted. He acknowledges her strange character quirks that have always been veiled by her rain. Imagine spending your whole life ostracized and then someone appears that sees you as a full person. I would also fall in love. She's a lot because her whole life she had to be so little. I recognize the feeling.

Also I know anti-juvia people will point out that she has all those dolls of Gray, you remember the hundreds of rain dolls she made as a kid? Gray stopped the rain. Gray is the rain doll that worked. I do wish this was more obvious but that's what fandoms are for

[anti-gruvia-blog]

Erza legit encourages Juvia to keep being a disgusting creep instead of telling her to respect Gray’s boundaries.

[cheesydelphox]

can we please talk about how egregious this glow down was

[fairytail-multishipper]

i’m so sick of seeing people blame natsu and gray for lucy and juvia’s mental health.

i’m so sick of seeing people blame natsu for lucy’s sadness after tartaros and not sticking around for her after she had to break aquarius’s key. HELLO? igneel literally died in front of natsu?! it wasn’t a fun time for either of them, why is her trauma more important than his?

NATSU ISN’T RESPONSIBLE FOR LUCY’S FEELINGS

i’m so sick of seeing people blame gray for juvia’s depression after he went undercover in avatar. look, if being apart from gray causes juvia to physically make herself ill, that’s NOT ON GRAY.

GRAY ISN’T RESPONSIBLE FOR JUVIA’S FEELINGS

stop it

let male characters cope unhealthily just like their female counterparts

[sirclowniey]

ill never forgive mashima for what he took from us

srry ill actually never get over this

[captainuranium543]

My thoughts on gruvia

So I wanted to make this post because I've been rewatching gmg recently and I wanna talk about it a bit.

Before I begin I know gruvia is a very polarizing ship so I'll make my own opinion clear, I don't hate gruvia but I also don't think it was very well executed in cannon. If you love gruvia this isn't against you at all, my intention with this isn't a hate post just to look at a weird decision made in gmg for gruvia from a writing standpoint and talk a little about it.

The biggest issue most people have with gruvia is that juvias obsession with gray is taken WAY to far sometimes and ends up feeling more creepy then funny or romantic. I agree with that point but also I do try to keep in mind that gags aren't really meant to be taken seriously. There is a limit to what I can write off as a gag but for the most part early on juvia fell within that limit, from my perspective I tend to take things as seriously as the characters around do meaning if their reaction is mild annoyance, I won't take it to seriously. While their reaction is genuine discomfort, I will. Early on, all of juvias romantic advances/creepy moments had been gags that where within the reasonable range that I could laugh off. This changed though in gmg.

Ok so starting off mid gmg gray has a very serious talk with erza. I disagree with a lot of people on this conversation because a lot of people seem to think this is her tell gray to love juvia. Gruvia lovers and haters alike seem to think this but I really don't see it that way. I think she's quite literally just telling gray to be direct with her about how he feels.

Up until this point because everything has been gags we've never really taken juvia seriously, gray has never had a moment where he has actually acknowledged and confronted her feelings for him and told her how he feels in return. Erza is basically telling him to stop just brushing off or avoiding her advances and just be direct with her, whether you like someone back or just want them to leave you alone being direct is good advice.

It's advice that gray takes to heart as we see here in the final episode of gmg

I really don't understand where people get the idea that erza was saying he needs to accept juvias love because this scene is literally him taking her advice and his answer is "no I don't like this leave me alone please". This would be fine but what happens next is just downright confusing

She just, doesn't care?? I genuinely don't understand why this scene was added in at all if it wasn't gonna matter. Like I said I can write off most gags but this was NOT a gag. Gray had a very serious talk with a close friend where he got the advice to be direct, he had a very serious moment where he very seriously took that advice and told juvia exactly how he feels, why does she just ignore it??? It's such a weird decision to make because it makes all of juvias future advances come off WAY creepier then they did before even when they are just gags because gray has already very seriously told her to stop.

I've heard some argue that gray actually does like juvia he's just afraid to admit it and he's forcing himself to say he doesn't like her in this scene, but regardless of whether he secretly feels something for her a no is a no and it's reaaalllyyy creepy to just not accept that. Hear me out here, what if right after gray did this juvia listened.

She did back off of him and gave him his space, then if you still wanted them to have a relationship maybe gray starts to miss her? Give him some autonomy and room for us to actually see him develop genuine feelings for her rather then having her force them onto him because without seeing Gray's side it just feels one sidedly obsessive. I know people argue he's just afraid to confront his feelings but you need to actually show us that, give him a scene where he's thinking about her or actually missing her in some way when she's not around if you want to show us that gray isn't just being forced into things he doesnt want. If juvia had backed off here I would have probably liked the ship a lot more A) because it would give gray room to develop on his own and B) it would show that juvia has restraint and genuine respect for Gray's feelings even if he doesn't like her the way she likes him.

Rant over, again no hate to gruvia fans. It's fiction I don't actually take it to seriously if you love gruvia live your truth🙏🙏. I like gruvia in theory it's just poorly executed sometimes and I could fix it fr fr

[fairy-without-a-tail]

Why do people forget Juvia is a grown woman? What adult decides ‘yeah, I’m just going to sit in the rain until this guy comes back no matter how long it might be’. Six months! What if it’d been even slightly longer? With no healer, Juvia would have killed herself, and it would have been her fault. It’s not romantic it’s stupidity.

She followed Gray. And it is canonically said that she kept trying to sleep with him (in the bed but I think we all know she probably wanted something more) and Gray had to push her out.

The rain came back because she was obsessed with Gray and made everything about her, him. That’s not healthy!

Not leaving a note was dumb (and a dick move). However with the way she acts, what is the chance she’ll try to follow him? And she couldn’t join Avatar because she’d blow their cover. Gray had personal reasons to join, he had devil slayer magic, he was the perfect choice. Juvia had none of those. And whose to say they’d get any information because Juvia would be possessive (especially around Briar).

I just wish the writers and fans would give Juvia the respect she deserves. Because no one respects her, not really. We can say she acts the way she does because of her trauma and obvious abandonment issues, but how many years will it take of her character not changing until we can say ‘she deserves better’? A love interest that has shown to care about her romantically (and not just shoved in after years), a true friendship with another woman, becoming the powerhouse she was when she was first introduced. If anyone respected her they’d want her character to grow, to change, to become more than just her love for Gray. I don’t like her behaviour towards Gray, obviously, because it’s extremely toxic and creepy, however I also don’t like it because that’s all her character seems to be. I liked Juvia when she was introduced and I thought her little crush on Gray was cute. But it didn’t end. And like I said at the start, Juvia sitting in the rain for six months isn’t just stupid, it’s an insult to her character.

If a guy (or girl) isn’t showing you any interest or not being clear, stop trying to get him to. (And maybe it’s just me, but throughout the series I’ve always registered Gray’s behaviour towards Juvia as a clear ‘no’. Take that scene during GMG, when Erza tells him to be clear…he has been! He has shown no romantic interest. How is it Gray’s flaw if Juvia can’t take a hint or see what’s in front of her? Why is no one telling her that maybe she should cut her losses. If he wants to be with her, he will be. (And maybe it’s just me again, but spending all your time with one person isn’t going to endear them to you. It’s going to smother them.) (For goodness sake, the dialogue in the game even has Gray saying he doesn’t feel like his body is safe).

In conclusion, Juvia is more than her love for Gray and deserves to be seen as such.

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Deadass wish more gratsu fics utilized Juvia’s canon personality more… I mean she literally almost killed like three different girls just for looking at Gray in any way. Literally prime angst material here!

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[fairytailfanatic]

Antis have been pretty quiet since the power to live ep dropped

[jacksonseymour13]

Sakura🤝🏻Juvia being two characters that waste my fucking time obsessing over characters that could give two fucks about them

[anti-gruvia-blog]

Oh man, imagine if Gray ended up with anyone other than Juvia.

The fandom would go absolutely insane.

The Juvia stans would riot, and there would be so much backlash and backlash.

But honestly, it would be totally worth it to see the look on Juvia’s face if she found out that Gray was with someone else.

It would be hilarious.

If Gray ended up with another woman, the Juvia stans and the Gruvia shippers would go completely ballistic.

They would flood Twitter and other social media with angry rants, claiming that the series has ruined their precious ship.

They would accuse the writers of being biased and unfair, and they would demand that the show be changed to fit their desires.

[supernova351]

Not Trigun, C/W for discussion of SA topics in other media

I recently got back into Fairy Tail since it was my first fandom and I never fully finished it.

Anyway: Juvia Lockser rant incoming

What the hell is wrong with her. Like actually what the hell. I was a child when I watched Fairy Tail for the first time, I was eleven.

I thought Juvia wasn’t a creep because at the time, I had my own freaky stalker and didn’t clock it.

There references in the Anime, Manga, and Video Game where Gray reveals she attempted to SA him several times.

And I know for a fact that the fandom takes it as a joke because it’s a woman assaulting a man. Mashimas favorite female character is Juvia, she’s the third most popular character. And I don’t understand how her abuse toward Gray is taken so lightly cause it’s a fucking integral part of Juvia character. She has no other purpose than to be Grays very fucking unwilling partner.

So yup, least favorite character to say the least.

[shinpikurage]

Couldn't include every single one I stumbled upon AO3 sorry :( so if you like any other one, even if it's a crackship or really rare, please do tell! I love Lucy ships

[gralunaisland]

I have a question.

Have you ever thought to yourself or any antis thought to themselves that it’s okay to like toxic ships in fiction?

Mashima never said a day in his life that his ships weren’t toxic and were healthy so idk why yall be so upset that people like these things?

Toxic ships in exist in fiction and real life. I love reading toxic relationships in fiction. I eat it up but I understand that’s not okay for real life.

If you truly want to see toxic relationships in fiction read Korean comics. They have some extremely toxic relationships in their stories and I love them all because it’s only fiction. It’s a reason why things like this exist because people like me exist to read it.

Is It Okay to Like Toxic Ships in Fiction?

Oh, this is a fantastic question, Anon.

I have never said that no one is allowed to like toxic ships in fiction. Ever. In fact, I've said the contrary, where, yeah, even I like some toxic ships (excluding things like p*doph*lia etc.) where people clearly aren't good for each other but it's an entertaining ship regardless as long as you know it is immoral in real life. If you know you'd never support certain toxic relationships in real life, but still like certain toxic characters together, there's not much harm to it.

My biggest issue with the Pro gr///via fandom?

It's that seemingly most of them deny that gr///via is a toxic ship in the first place. That, and some of them will attack anyone who says otherwise.

That's part of the reason why I've dedicated this blog to parsing gr///via's toxicity, to show why so many Antis have issues with it and because there are so many people who refuse to believe that gr///via is toxic in any way, shape, or form.

I've actually talked to Pros who acknowledge that gr///via is a toxic ship, but that they just like it for some reason or another, and I totally respect that because they realize it's a toxic ship. While I hate the "it's just fiction" argument because it's a dreadful slippery slope, all in all, gr///via really is just a fictional ship between two people of the same age.

You say Mashima has never said his ships were healthy, but that doesn't matter, and that's never been an argument that I've made, that Mashima said he'd make healthy ships (which of course he didn't). Most authors don't go around explicitly saying that anyway, so that's another reason why that is a straw man argument.

However, another part of my issue with gr///via is that it's a canon ship, one that Mashima pushes heavily, and it is portrayed as something to be desired.

There are plenty of toxic ships people make up on their own, fanon, where the author never intended for it to be a thing, in which case it's the fans' fault for making up such a thing, but the fact that the author of FT makes juvia a complete scumbag but makes it so that she ultimately gets the object of her desires teaches the very wrong lesson. He also tries to make her pass as a "good person", having everyone love her and cheer her on no matter what she does to them.

If you make a character do very toxic things, but also make them appear good to other people in the show and make it so they never face any consequences for their actions (the worst consequence juvia ever gets from her sick behavior is some sweatdrops from other characters, but no one ever stops her and many in fact encourage her), readers/viewers might get the impression that that character really is a good person, and that their actions should be emulated to get their desired results. Mashima has even apparently said in an interview that Gray is somewhat of a self-insert, so the fact that he gave Gray juvia as his love interest says a lot about what Mashima desires or fetishizes.

"If you truly want to see toxic relationships in fiction read Korean comics."

I have, and that has nothing to do with this conversation. "If I truly want to see toxic relationships", all I have to do is watch Fairy Tail and suffer through every gr///via/juvia scene.

Thanks for your ask!