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watching 9-1-1 from the beginning the first time. i hope nothing gay happens.
#i hope 9-1-1 doesnt fall into the woke brigade's hands#/s/s/s/s/s/s#another found family show lets goooooo#and queer+poc rep??? we stay winning#this is me lowkey shading spn
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Another OJV friendship that is my fav is Kenny and Kyle, I was wondering if you wanted to talk about them because I live for your Headcannons and tumblr extras 🤓
I ALSO live for the headcanons and tumblr extras and OK ORANGEJUICEVERSE KENNY AND KYLE LETS GOOOOOO!!!
So like, Kenny is EASILY styles closest friend other than each other. And OJV Ken is pretty much everyone’s go-to, like Stan running to him when he feels like he fucked up, Marj and Cartman knowing Kenny’s down with a scheme, but it’s a little different with Kyle.
Kyle is 100% the mom friend of the group. And the WHOLE REASON he’s like that with everybody is because growing up, he was the one to jump in as the voice of reason (especially when the Disaster Duo gets goin) and always took care of his people. And who needs taken care of the most? Kenny.
Kyle is CONSTANTLY scolding him for not taking care of himself, doing crazy shit, yes he’s amused by a lot of the antics, but when the logic takes the forefront, he’s all Sheila mode “DR PEPPER DOESNT COUNT AS WATER ESPECIALLY IF YOURE GOING TO A BLOOD DRIVE” “aw it’s fine Ky I got it covered” “no,” *throws a water bottle at him* “I’ve got YOU covered”
Kyle’s super supportive of Kenny’s career, too. That’s not only his bestie but also his metaphorical son. He is SO hyping up every new painting and sculpture, the first person Ken shows new work to bc not only is it gonna be a confidence boost, but Kyle will also have suggestions when he’s stuck.
Kenny, our darling chaotic comic relief friend who hides his own issues behind a grin and a joke and a guardian angel complex, is VERY protective of Kyle. Nearly as much as Stan is. OJV Kenny is a LITTLE GUY, even shorter than Kyle is, but he’s POWERFUL and has every creative solution to get the gang out of a bind, and he’s really friendly with everyone he meets, and people automatically open up to him. On top of that, he is REALLY good at reading people. Kenny’s super perceptive. He sees when someone in his found family has something going on, even before they say something. Ken was the first to be suspicious of what was going on with Ky in high school, brought it up to Stan, who said “I know dude. He’s stressed as shit but I don’t want to piss him off by telling him to relax”, like Kenny does people EXPERTLY; at 14 he knew it wasn’t his place to stage an ed intervention and knew he had to wait for Kyle to hit the point where he either hit rock bottom or came forward on his own.
On the note of Kenny’s emotional intelligence, I mean, come on. Artists in particular see creative solutions to problems, read the energy around us. And Kenny… oh my GOD that boy is a force to be reckoned with in strategy. Which is WHY he and Kyle are BANNED from teaming up in any game. They’re too powerful together. Poker? Fuckin forget about it those two are DESTROYING EVERYONE they are way too smart and between Kyle’s own abundant perceptiveness and Kenny’s people skills they’re not fucking around lmfao. I also find it extremely iconic that while both Ken and Stan are super smart, you put them together and they are sharing a singular brain cell, doing the dumbest shit, and Kyle is RIGHT THERE telling them off for it.
Kenny is so so incredibly thoughtful though too. He is absolutely the person you want to go to if you need a shoulder to cry on, and Kyle, who is the other person in the gang who gets relied on emotionally a lot, does go to him.
Thank u for the ask man live laugh love orange juice
#asks#south park#OrangeJuiceVerse#kenny mccormick#KENNETH#kyle broflovski#look at this I learned something today ass bitch#headcanon#this might be unhinged but ya know shit be incoherent sometimes
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Beyond Evil Live Blogging
Starting this instead of uhh doing some homework between my uni classes. I actually probably shouldn’t start this and should just watch something short like She Makes My Heart Flutter instead bc I won’t have the opportunity to watch any eps tmrw and it seems like this show might be difficult to wait to watch but oh well whelp the plans got cancelled due to weather so i suppose i do have time tomorrow
Ep 1: It Appears - 나타나다 (Feb 2)
a rotting corpse (?) in the first minute ah fuck i’m guessing they’re gonna show how we got here
oh 2000? i thought it was present day or is it showing old time after showing future
Dongshik is an older twin of Yoo Yeon by a minute. Is Dongshik a main character ir someone who’s boutta die? it seems like a familiar name in this show’s context
a flip phone
wait is that Lee Do Hyun or just looks like him? okay I checked MDL and it indeed is Do Hyun! ayyy he only seems to appear in like 4 eps but still cool because after being introduced to him in 18 Again, I haven’t wanted to watch anything else he’s been in
damn Dongshik really just called the older girl by name, somehow I’m also irritated on behalf of her lol If my sister calls me by my name during an argument I acc would be flabbergasted
oh Dongshik kinda scary
oh is Yoo Yeon gonna die instead of Dongshik? also they really keep focusing on her red stone ring
girl these viki ads are killing me on my ipad like wtf is 40 second diaper ad and then a 15 sec bedwetting ad
oh the Bang Joo Seon noona that Dongshik was angry at irl also dead and her hands are clutched in the same way as the corpse that we saw at the beginning umm also are her hands missing fingers? i did see a spoiler about there being severed fingers in this show
yep severed fingers akhdjajabs - I realize that was Yeo Yoon’s mother
20 years later October 2020 ah
missing college female student from Munju hmm so not all the bodies were found, is this what they find later on from the beginning scene?
oh omg Yeo Yoon’s family got the fingers but she’s missing whereas we saw Bang Joo Seon’s body with missing fingers and I’m assuming her body was found? and so Yeo Yoon’s brother has been searching for her - if that old man shaving is Dongshik
please not these old ladies fighting and Dongshik in the crossfire
plsss okay I wasn’t expecting it to suddenly become funny but “Dongshik’s gauge has boiled over” so he’s tryna make a case against the women while all the other cops are like let it goooooo and tryna get him to back down and calm the women lmfao
oh lol one of the women did mention that another is married to a sergeant
Lieutenant Han Joo Won - 27 years oldgainst
Dongshik have something against Joo Won’s dad
Jae Yi so pretty
who is Officier Oh actor he’s cute I like his dimples also he looks slightly familiar
ah it’s hard to remember everyone’s names. the crime squad woman’s name is Ji Hwa or something and the other guy in the room i forgot his name
wait so Dongshik did the case thing so that the women don’t get in trouble with the money or something bc the owner was doing something with him outsiders as well or something idk i only kinda really get it
man this Oh Jihoon character so endearing
did Joo Won do something bad and get sent here as punishment?
lol their first proper encounter and Joo Won very standoffish
(Bromance) lmfao I already get why people are into Dongshik/Joo Won because 1) Dongshik was previously like Joo Won’s not my type 2) Joo Won’s rude to Dongshik and 3) to get over their hatred for each other, they’re forcibly made to team up
fuck I forgot - Dongshik is a sergeant or lietenant?
so it’s like Dongshik’s “thing” that he has a really good memory, about the law and situations and people
nooooo Joo Seon’s dad is 79 and old and has dementia and is still waiting for her in the reed fields T.T
It’s interesting to see all the young cops kinda do favours for and want Joo Won’s attention while the two oldest (the Chief and Dongshik) are unimpressed by his status and arrogancy
Ji Hwa’s just got such a cool vibe to her
Dongshik playing a “joke” on Joo Won saying he killed that family’s daughter the maknae but he probably really does feel that?
ohh Joo Won’s got some history of discoveering the dead bodies similar to Joo Seon’s body and also some knowledge of Dongshik
So Joo Won knows: Dongshik was a Lieutenant in Regional Investigation, then got demoted to sergeant after his partner died and he couldn’t explain it, and also was a suspect of the 2 murders 2 decades ago. So I guess Joo Won took Dongshik’s joke of killing Joo Seon more seriously than he would’ve otherwise - is Joo Won suspicious of Dongshik?
ah Dongshik still has the posters of missing Yoo Yeon put up, though she’d look 2 decades older than her photos now lol
became morning to night in a few minutes drive heh
oh damn we’re getting the very first scene at the end of the first ep; i was wondering if it’d be like Strangers From Hell where we get the first scene in the last ep
Dongshik looking at the hands (with Yoo Yeon’s ring?) and Joo Won looking at Dongshik - gauging his reaction?
oh it’s a different ring that Joo Won knows the owner of
damn Dongshik’s creepy smile - I don’t think Yoo Yeon actually killed her based on his reaction to the corpse and wondering if it’s his sister and also just cuz he’s the main character
Also I avoided nearly all spoilers so far before starting the show except that people love the bromance and it’s about tracking down some serial killer and it’s pretty dark but two mins before I started watching I found out that apparently a father kills his own daughter - that’s scary. also hopefully not too much of a spoiler that gives something away?
Ep 2: To Disappear - 사라지다 (Feb 2)
The bodies have their feet wrapped
There was proof that it was Dongshik who killed Joo Seon at the crime scene? a guitar pick?
(Bromance) “Do you like me that much? You even did a background check on me.”
oh interesting, the Chief’s like Dongshik’s doing all this and giving his testimony now so that later on, when/if they ask him about anything again, he’ll just say he already did it and ask if they have a warrant
insane scene at the beef broth restaurant - so I guess the general public continue to think Yoo Yeon was killed by her brother?
when I was reading the ep 1 thoughts on reddit’s on-air thread of ep 1 and 2, someone mentioned they think the supermarket owner did it and had a ton of upvotes - which makes me think it’s true and people upvoted it after it was revealed. but if so, then they made the character who stutters a murderer?
Min Jeong the supermarket owner’s daughter isn’t coming home. based on the spoiler that a father kills his daughter + the theory that the supermarket owner is the murderer...
Is she the mayor or something? also she reminds me of the mom from Midnight (After looking up on MDL, yes she is. 2 actors I didn’t know were in here but I managed to recognize; her and Lee Do Hyun)
Park Jeong Je - is the this guy from Jae Yi’s restaurant that I couldn’t remember the name or face of? Oh I see, yes it’s him. the chief said he was part of the Munju police and the son of the Munju City councilwoman - so I guess she’s his mom
(Bromance) lmfao wtf this scene where they help the guy in the rain and Joo Won starts being nicer after seeing Dongshik be kind and then this slow-mo of Joo Won staring at smiling Dongshik
I should start tagging things like (Bromance) to find these things again
So Joo Won’s dad was the chief at Manyang 20 years ago and closed this case. lol Joo Won tryna do what idk throw off his dad or something but instead gave him an idea about how to close this case too with the mentions of a copycat. Although, he did know the dead girl, I wonder if some of what he said was true like with the bait and stuff
“The day her identity is revealed, you and I both die” wtf did Joo Won and his dad do/hide?
(Confusion) Wait, what were the timelines? Bang Joo Seon was killed a year before Yoo Yeon’s disappearance? They seemed from the same night?
The Nam Sang Bae chief currently was the detective of Yoo Yeon’s disappearance case back then
ah yeah, Dongshik’s really feels for people who go ‘missing’ like Joo Seon’s father with dementia and the lost in the rain guy. +Min Jeong who runs away/goes missing occasionally
damn, Dongshik’s father froze to death while waiting for Yoo Yeon to come home
Dongshik’s right upper leg hurts sometimes, is it from when his partner at the Regional Investigation Unit died?
Joo Won was investigating ‘an illegal immigrant who only killed women.’
Wild that Joo Won just knows the identity of the recently found dead body but won’t say so
okay whew Kang Min Jeong isn’t dead (yet?)
omg I recognize 3 people. Min Jeong is True Beauty Im Jugyeong’s short haired friend whose name I can’t remember - not Kang Soo jin. Oh it’s Choi Soo Ah/Sua
ah so the supermarket’s owner was an orphan raised by Dongshik’s parents and also helped him open the supermarket - so that’s why he spoke like that at the hospital calling her Eomma and stuff. Min Jeong is like Dongshik’s niece kinda
wait a minute... okay if the supermarket owner is the killer and his daughter’s mother/woman he loved left 20 years ago... well did he make her disappear?
Dongshik knows Joo Won suspects him of the murder(s) and loves working him up about it and acting as if he did it
ah fuck okay Min Jeong seemed happy when she saw who it was, so possibly it’s her supermarket owner father? how long ago was she captured and when did everybody gather around for the meat? would there have been enough time/would the show even care about that
insane shot from Min Jeong to the meat cutting
did Dongshik see something? or like what happened? Why is he acting so shaken? Does he just have some instinct that Min Jeong got fucked up?
So did Dongshik take the files of Yoo Yeon/Soo Jeon?
Joo Won isn’t here while they’re having dinner. Min Jeong’s father is though
(Bromance) Joo Won wants to move to the street and neighbourhood as Dongshik because he suspects him lol they keep asking “What is it about me that you like so much?”
wait what, Dongshik placed Min Jeong’s fingers on the stone? Is this his imagination? Also, was he wearing leather shoes when showing this ending scene the way Jeong Je mentioned when he’d gone to his house?
Someone on the on-air thread linked to their twitter thread that Dongshik found the fingers elsewhere and brought them there because he’d be the suspect otherwise - this seems plausible. Another person said he wasn’t the killer 20 years ago but maybe is the copycat killer now to get the attention back on this cast - not impossible but hmm. Someone mentioned the Joo Won might actually be trying to uncover something his father did here rather than only being here for Dongshik, which would make sense because that seems like their dynamic and they allude to them both or the father having done something bad.
Ep 3: Smile (lit: to laugh) - 웃다 (Feb 3)
Ah everybody in the town sad for Min Jeong
Dongshik doing something to the documents hmmm what and why shouldn’t Jeong Je be there when he does it? Also, Jeong Je also questioning Dongshik - despite the family vibes full of trust, there’s still suspicion from some people
Joo Won’s right that it’s interesting that people cope for Dongshik so hard when he used to be a suspect and is a running thread among many of the murder/disappearances - acting as if they’re a “family” instead of witnesses/suspects/whatever. There’s something fishy about the current chief (past detective on the case) as well
Joo Won a dumbass if he didn’t see Dongshik turning around and providing the same doubts about Joo Won; such as where are his alibis during the time Min Jeong disappeared? He also came around the time the body was found. He’s also a cop and knows things outsiders wouldn’t know. Just like Dongshik, he was there when both the body skeleton (who he knows the identity of) and the fingers were discovered
“Han Joo Won, you act rational and practical yet so emotional and thoughtless. Can’t you tell that psycho is a hundred times more rational than you?” - his dad
Joo Won wants CCTV from in front of the archives basement
Dongshik putting up a camera in his basement and cleaning it + there being some blood uh
scene at 20mins where
i’m gonna fucking die why the fucking fuck did my comments of the next 10 mins disappear
(Fave) scene at 20mins where Dongshik’s talking about mistaking someone for Yoo Yeon, her being dead for sure, the fucker not letting anybody find Min Jeong’s body, etc
Jeong Je is a bit suspicious of Dongshik now and Ji Hwa’s wondering if he was suspicious of Dongshik back then. she’s saying she’s never been suspicious of Dongshik
Woman with the ring who was killed was doing something for Joo Won (’go for a massage’) and texted him 1s the the day she died, meaning she met Dongshik
ah Dongshik did return the two girls’ case files
Jeong Je being accused of being an accomplice of Dongshik - brining back memories of back then when he was Dongshik’s alibi. oh did Jeong Je come forward as the alibi way later after people were convinced Dongshik was the prime suspect? That’s why the detective reacted like that + Ji Hwa asked why it took Jeong Je so long to come
oh damn the detective didn’t have enough evidence back then but literally beat Dongshik to get a confession? Did dongshik confess or was it an attempt?
ah they found the burner phone that the woman with the ring used to text Joo Won 1s but why did it have Min Jeong’s scent
the assistant Kwon guy who hangs off of Joo Won’s father and gave Joo Won some files in ep 1 seems so smarmy
4th person I recognize: Squid Game gangster mans
the DNA of the woman came out in that phone, as expected
I don’t even get what the solo sting that Joo Won was doing is and why the suspect for that was also Dongshik.
Joo Won’s team was investigating illegal immigrants of massage parlours - ah so it was literally ‘send 1 if dongshik is a customer of a massage’
Also what exactly is the issue with Joo Won’s investigation that he wanted to find something from this solo sting operation and triumph vs why him now apparently knowing her would be such a problem. like is it because he knew she was an illegal immigrant massage giver but didn’t make anybody else aware or whatever?
Joo Won’s seemingly becoming more unstable and losing control of his emotions
so the phone wasn't in the reed fields where her body was found?
on the day that the woman with the ring died and sent 1s after seeing Dongshik, he was seen on the dashcam where near where said phone was found
damn, Joo Won fr just searching Dongshik’s basement and Dongshik can see it because he has a camera there
bruv, what even happened - Ji Hwa’s here to arrest Dongshik for kidnapping and murdering Min Jeong
also lol funny that Joo Won was just breaking into Dongshik’s house but can just get out all casually and leave without raising suspicion among all the cops there (or was he the one who called them in? like how’d they find out?)
I see on reddit that there’s the theory that someone had actually left the fingers on Dongshik’s basement table with the blood and so he set up the cameras etc and other stuff to get people to actually investigate the murder, even if he’s the one who’s seemingly at fault at first?
I don’t know what exactly is going on but it seems like Dongshik knows something that other people don’t and also that he’s planning something like he literally put up the camera, cleaned but left that specific drop of blood untouched, didn’t stop joo won from investigating his basement, etc
Ep 4: To Cry - 울다 (Feb 3)
Dongshik throwing off his blanket was expected, I’d half expected him to just make a run for it when just one guy was transferring him from the car lol
so it wasn’t blood on Dongshik’s table? or was it that there’s only that speck of blood and absolutely nothing else?
my goodness this ramen talk is killing me
oh so Dongshik went to the mountain just the other day, not around the day of when the woman with the ring was killed - I didn’t catch the date of the video but I certainly should have
Jae Yi’s flashbacks to this butchershop and something about her mother running away? while the cops search and investigate that place currently
bro I hope no Joo Won/Jae Yi romance plot appears - I’m just nervous whenever a woman and man of similar age interact in these shows even though this interaction was full of anger and it didn’t lean towards any romantic angle
Joo Won funny as hell for acting all “oh you must be living an easy life” with Jae Yi, so it was satisfying to see Joo Won get that thrown back to him with both her and the chief
actually i’m not super against Jae Yi and Oh Jihoon though, they’re cute
damn Jihoon’s “you provoked them” with the harsh expression no smile
Han Jeong Im hmm 52, missing would that be Jae Yi’s mom I don’t know their surnames though
Kwon’s really gonna come to fuck up Joo Won at some crucial time isn’t e lol not that Joo Won really needs help fucking up thus far. He’s got gusto and he’s got connections, so he can get his dad to push for an arrest without his dad, and get Kwon to grant the confiscation warrant; he’s decided the culprit without enough proof and instead of gathering proof himself slowly, he’s escalating everything
(Bromance) lmfao at 28 mins when Joo won goes to Dongshik’s cell and he’s like “왜 이렇게 늦었어? 파트넌데.” straight up reminded me of “Hong Dae Young, 왜 이제 왔어? 기다렸잖아” from 18 Again
ah okay they heavily hinted at this before but I was like hmm what’s he planning but I guess when they said bait, they really did mean Joo Won really did sent the woman with the ring as a bait/trap to see if he’d be killed; specifically whether Dongshik would kill her
Okay if we’re assuming based on spoilers that it really is the supermarket owner Jin Mook who is Min Jeong’s father and adopted brother of Dongshik: does Dongshik suspect him? Know that it’s him? latter probably not but maybe former? He seems suspicious of Jin Mook when he’s around their mother though but he seems touched by the beef now? with Jin Mook visiting him?
Did Park Jeong Je really confess to doing the same thing now as he did 20 years ago? Back then, he’d said he had drunk with Dongshik till dawn and now he’s also saying Dongshik was with him the night Min Jeong went missing
but this could count for like 20 mins when he was at Dongshik’s home right? so he’s lying this time that he slept at Dongshik’s home... but the next morning Joo Won was there to see Dongshik leave his house, won’t he be like hmm I didn’t see Jeong Je there
So does that mean Jeong Je also lied when he said that he and Dongshik were drinking together that night? And he in fact hadn’t been with Dongshik? these small towns where everybody’s so involved with each other is just wild
why’s all this happening just a few hours before 48, just hold Dongshik for 48 hours and continue on tf - cover the bases in case he’s the culprit but also don’t twist things to keep him after 48 hours
construction company CEO: development might be halted like 20 years ago with these murder cases and he’ll face huge loss; council woman: wants to become mayor and these crimes and possible cancellation of redevelopment hurts her chances; Joo Won’s father: Joo Won’s wrapped up in this murder case with the phone
Joo Won seeing Dongshik and Jeong Je walk off, who he suspected were accomplices; did he hear Dongshik say that Jeong Je lied or was he too far away?
was that Seventeen on Knowing Bros on the TV?
ah the construction ceo really is smearing min jeong on the TV. sucks that people’s sympathy and well wishes for a missing and likely murdered girl goes down if they find out she parties and was possibly a sex worker and that this defamation is a tactic that they can use
Joo Won really isn’t thinking or what? why’d you go in and accuse Dongshik again and also pull out your gun
damn mans is having a panic attack
oh why did Oh Jihoon release the info about the arrest without warrant; is he with or against Dongshik; what did he see the night Min Jeong disappeared because he saw her walking but toward what we can’t see
bro Joo Won is king of escalating things fr - he’s talking to reporters but I guess that’s good? now people will be forced to connect these and less likely to be swayed by “oh the missing girl was a slut and a whore so who cares if she’s dead” and the cops will be forced to investigate rather than just shut them down like they did 20 years ago?
Dongshik is probably glad that the connections of the murders and the case is all known to the public now, right? If his plan had been to draw attention to the whole thing so that it’s forced to be investigated?
“Who killed them? Who are you protecting?” so Joo Won’s suspicion has gone down from Dongshik being the killer to thinking Dongshik knows who did it?
Ep 5: To Be Deceived - 속다 (Feb 4)
Lee Geum Hwa - name of the woman with the ring that Joo Won sent
I actually hate that Joo Min supermarket owner is most likely the killer because hearing Dongshik’s say “Park Jeong Je” as the person he’s protecting would’ve had my heart racing
Dongshik didn’t say the supermarket owner’s name out of the people he listed to possibly be protecting
lol Joo Won’s father throwing him under the bus during a conference for Joo Won’s hasty/inaccurate but important reveal of the serial killer
Jeong Je’s really obsessed with that deer
aw Jae Yi :<
scene of the supermarket owner watching the news about Joo Won’s interview then his father’s conference and lying down, ignoring the call from the councilwoman
omg 5th person I’ve recognized: the Im Gyu Seok from JSB reporter is the same person as Shinwoo from Light On Me - a BL actor appearance! He’s the one who looks the most different and I was the least certain about recognizing
“It’s because they’re Manyang people. When they’re together, they want to eat each other alive. When an enemy comes from the outside, they band together to work against him”
So Joo Won now thinks it wasn’t Dongshik but rather somebody else from that photo at the dinner that he showed Geum Hwa - the supermarket owner isn’t there though I don’t think
damn they really had the supermarket owner giving a conference in favour of the redevelopment
okay i don’t get why there can’t be redevelopment? like what does this case have to do with building buildings and installing CCTV
“do you want me to kill her?” dongshik my guy you’re giving me a headache
ohh Dongshik told Jeong Je’s mother that it’s not me who’s holding onto Jeong Je but Jeong Je childing to me
this public might kinda dumb lmfao so silly let’s be serious
damn Joo Won’s father is cold toward Joo Won but also so dumb to let Kwon have that much effect over his son “push joo won down so he won’t be able to return for a while” dumbassery
(Bromance) lmfao sorry it kills me that when Joo Won saw Min Jeong and Dongshik interact he was like is she his gf and now that Dongshik’s telling Ji Hwa to not meet her ex-husband construction CEO, Joo Won’s like “are you being jealous?” lmfao and then Ji Hwa being like “you guys are a comedian couple. You should move in together”
Joo Won understanding now that Dongshik doesn’t just lose control and do dumb wild things but rather makes it seem that way to achieve his goals. While Dongshik’s pushing to see if Joo Won would throw away his principles and laws to get to the bottom of this murder case
damn flashbacks to Dongshik’s previous partner who died
is Kwon’s advice right now for Joo Won to fess up about having contact with the woman a bad advice that’s supposed to “keep him down” or whatever
Jeong Je walked Min Jeong home (where her killer supermarket owner father is? oof) that night - as seen by Jihoon... and Jeong Je is also Joo Won’s next target. I wonder what we’ll uncover about him, even if it’s that he killed Min Jeong
plsss seeing Joo Won standing like that beside Dongshik’s house and watching Jihoon leave reminded me so much of Moonjo watching Jongwoo and the new kid while leaning against the wall
damn, someone on reddit was talking about the book where some guy (nearly?) ran over a kid who was wearing deer antlers and this reveal that Jeong Je was an alcoholic (thus why Dongshik was worried about his drinking recently) and was at a psychiatric hospital for 4 years and that he claimed a deer/a human who looked like a deer
(Bromance) Joo Won talking next to Dongshik’s ear - Dongshik says “Dang. I was going to let it go since you’re cute but I guess I can’t”
Joo Won’s running on hunches and keeps accusing Dongshik and Dongshik keeps reminding Joo Won of Geum Hwa and Joo Won’s role in her death
damn, okay so they’re showing us that the supermarket owner father saw Jeong Je meet Min Jeong that night
I saw like 1 second of the next ep preview but it seems like maybe they’ll actually reveal that it was the supermarket owner who killed Min Jeong :0 I hope it’s true, because then I’ll know a spoiler revealed in ep 6 rather than ep 15 or something
Ep 6: To Deceive - 속이다 (Feb 4)
I’m supposed to be studying and doing homework right now but this ep is my reward for going driving I guess
lol this intense music while the supermarket owner’s preparing kimchi
Jin Mook going around giving the cops kimchi ah I don’t think I saw the cannibalism tag otherwise I would’ve been like hm is he feeding them his daughter
oh okay so they really do have him just speaking without stuttering and calling people dumbasses and saying “Min Jeong, you’ll have to live with me forever” - so I guess we do know that he killed Min Jeong but we don’t know if he killed the other people or not
Oh we’re gonna see day of Min Jeong’s disappearence - Oct 23
damn Min Jeong really said that her dad gives her the creeps
they showed him faking his shyness and stuttering and his face when Min Jeong’s captured hm ah
Once again the question remains: does Dongshik know Jin Mook did it? Does he suspect but not know? Is the reason he’s not telling Joo Won because he wants him to be able to figure it out on his own? Because he thinks Joo Won won’t believe him? tbh it could be that Dongshik doesn’t know but just continues making Joo Won think that he does
Also I wanna know when the timeline of everything happens; when did Jin Mook capture Min Jeong? Before or after dinner? Was Dongshik so frazzled because he’d already found the fingers or cuz of his leg pain flaring up again?
Timeline from Jin Mook’s perspective at 25mins
Jae Yi is so fucking beautiful it’s unbelievable. I don’t really care for her and Joo Won’s future romance maybe that I’ve been kinda sensing since the egg incident but oh well
damn Joo Won’s dad’s threats and comments toward Kwon were insane, compared to how he’d been behaving toward Kwon so far especially
ah I think I need to just watch the show without playing Solitaire on the side because I’ve been doing that this episode and getting confused.
What dashcam footage was the councilwoman talking about
(Confusion) Girl I’m confused as to what happened with the Chief deleting the footage of Dongshik going to the archives - why’d he do it? did he do something else and use this deletion as an excuse as well? what’s happening like Dongshik was like I didn’t ask you to delete it and then said something about asking him to delete it like huh?
lmfaooo this is actually wild the councilwoman really was like okay lemme do this dashcam footage of Oh Jihoon being seen near Min Jeong’s house but literally his own son was seen with Min Jeong with that dashcam footage (now deleted I suppose) but also Jihoon has seen Jeong Je with her straight up
It’s interesting how entangled all these people are and Joo Won is correct to be worried that they’re protecting each other. like Ji Hwa full on knew that Jihoon saw Min Jeong and also saw her with Jeong Je but since one’s her brother and the other’s her trusted friend, she didn’t tell anybody else even though they’re investigating her murder/disappearence
ahh Ji Hwa being shaky, being upset that she hopes that Jeong Je’s the culprit so that it’s not her brother who is
bruvvvvvvv what the fuck is “appa, let me out” getting texted to Jin Mook’s phone. did he send that to himself? People on reddit pointed out it seems like Dongshik sent that and so after rewatching that part, it does seem like it. Dongshik checks that drawer in the alleyway - Min Jeong’s phone is on - Dongshik returns and Jin Mook checks his phone text - Min Jeong’s phone has been turned off
Ep 7: To Catch - 낚다 (Feb 5)
Can’t quite remember when I finished up ep 6 last night but I think it was 6-8pm and now it’s 4pm so it’s been like 20 hours :0 I lasted not watching this ep longer than expected but I think last ep’s cliffhangers wasn’t too bad for me
Dongshik and his old partner Sang Yeob were staking out on a guy suspected to have killed 3 women and Sang Yeob died after chasing that guy and getting shot
woahh Dongshik getting revenge for Sang Yeob by capturing the guy, almost shooting him, going for the handcuffs instead, fucker gets cocky and says “heh it was self defense” and that’s how he’ll get out of being responsible for Sang Yeob’s death, so Dongshik just bashes the guy’s skull against the concrete over and over till he dies I’m guessing
ah I did notice Dongshik looking at Min Jeong putting in her password
Day of Min Jeong’s disappearance again - this time I think we’ll get more of Dongshik’s involvement I guess? how he had the fingers and the phone
so at around 8pm - people are at the meat shop, Jin Mook’s subducing Min Jeong, Jihoon is boutta come to the supermarket but Dongshik is there before him to return Min Jeong’s keychain
hmmm Dongshik puts on his hoodie and runs away when seeing that the supermarket was closed hm - oh I see he actually went on a run I guess?
oh fucking fuck okay so Jin Mook had already cut off her fingers (why does he hate those nails so bad - even was like “Wench. and look at those nails”) /probably killed her and hid her body in the time it took for Jihoon to get to the supermarket
it makes sense that Dongshik was soooo out of it when he went to go get barbeque. he really found Min Jeong’s fingers and found out Jin Mook had done it and also mans was saying that Min Jeong was sleeping like a corpse
also that table... did Dongshik somehow drag it to his house or what
Dongshik found the burner phone Geum Hwa that used to text Joo Won - so Jin Mook def killed more than just Min Jeong - but did he also kill the girls from 20 years ago and was there anybody other than him
ah this compilation of all the missing girls and their family’s suffering because they’re just gone, no trace of them left and so by korea’s law there’s no prosecution because there’s no corpse
Jin Mook must know that somebody fully knows that he’s killed Min Jeong, what with the missing fingers and Dongshik fucking up that whole room while searching for Min Jeong’s body - I assume he has a strong guess that it’s Dongshik?
It’s November 4, so 12 days after Oct 23 Min Jeong’s death
oh Dongshik’s visiting his mother’s room?
no way Jin Mook just was like oh Jae Yi wasn’t there for an hour the night Min Jeong disappeared
...does Jae Yi know it’s Jin Mook
girl Jeong Je turned himself in?! oh just for seeing Min Jeong last, I see
please why does this show become funny sometimes like the “Fine, thank you다 이 새끼야. Didn’t go to America, what’s with the English?” "If you knew you could’ve told me. It was tiring to me to mix English into my vocabulary.” lol also I though Dongshik knew about the hospitalization from Jeong Je but I guess he knew in a different way or Joo Won really did expose Jeong Je’s hospitalization
damn Dongshik’s just telling Jeong Je that he sent the text
did Jin Mook find the phone and send a new text to himself? Why does he want the cops to search the reed fields now?
oh, Jae Yi’s the one who got the phone
damn, so Jae Yi had a strong suspicion that it was Jin Mook doing that to everybody... so Jin Mook did make Dongshik’s sister disappear and he knew it this whole time?
nooo I’ll become a villain if anything at all happens to Jae Yi by the way
oof rip Jihoon if he’s saying “Family can’t suspect each other” like you’re correct Jae Yi didn’t kill Min Jeong... but if you’re saying family can’t, then whelp gl when you find out
oof Joo Won just found out that it took a while before Dongshik came to the restaurant the night Min Jeong died
please the construction CEO right when he’s like smh this is why you shouldn’t have kids cuz his partner councilwoman’s son Jeong Je walked into the cell and his partner deputy chief’s son Joo Won is causing a ruckus in general
are these fuckers gonna frame someone as the murderer?
ohhhh confusion clear up. so the CCTV caught Dongshik putting the fingers there but he got the Chief to delete that footage - and when the Chief was talking about ‘covering up’ something by deleting the archive footage, this deletion footage is what he was referring to. but ummm so does the Chief know that Dongshik put the fingers there?
(Confusion) Actually, I still don’t know when exactly Dongshik put the fingers on the supermarket porch. after jeong je left? bc apparently he came to his home wearing leather shoes but he was wearing sneakers when he put the fingers there?
...T.T wtf is that meat and what did Jin Mook put in there/find
oh? is the object Jin Moon found the clip that Jae Yi’s mother is wearing in that photo?
oh my fucking god I was dying that he was gonna try to do something to Jae Yi but Jin Mook fucker left her mom’s clip and also the location of her grave?! Why’s he doing that? Is it because he suspects that she suspects him/knows it’s him? He used the same wording for “please let mom out” as Dongshik used to text him as Min Jeong - does Jin Mook think that Jae Yi did that as well and that’s also why he told Joo Won that Jae Yi wasn’t there for an hour?
anyway pls pls pls I hope Jae Yi takes Dongshik or someone there when she goes to find the body
Dongshik’s breaking expression as Joo Won’s talking about the CCTV and him being the finger returner
brooo Dongshik just tell Joo Won that Jae Yi’s in danger and that he can come too instead of yelling you’re wasting precious seconds!!
pls let those car lights toward Jae Yi be Dongshik
okayyyyy whewww okay so Dongshik took Joo Won to arrest Jin Mook and they caught him redhanded so it’s not like he’s being framed (also I didn’t realize that the room where he’s storing the kimchi and also the bodies was open roof - can see from outside
and Dongshik sent Jeong Je and the cops to find Jae Yi
(Fave) How the last few minutes played out: from the moment Jiin Mook finds something in the meat and Jae Yi’s going through the photo album to Jin Mook came to Jae Yi’s shop to the interweaving of her story of her mom with Joo Won and Dongshik till the end. also the background music here ahh epic
Suchh a good episode but we’re like 44% into the show... 9 eps left... what’s gonna happen omg You know in romance shows, when the couple is together and happy in like ep 9 out of 12, it’s like oh fucking fuck agh something’s gonna go wrong and that’s how it feels for this show. Catching the killer red handed in ep 7 why the fuck? What’s gonna happen for the other 56% of the show?
I hope it reaches new heights and murders my brain and doesn’t become repetitive because unlike Strangers From Hell where the repetitiveness was part of the horror, it’ll just become bland here
Ep 8: To Be Caught - 낚이다 (Feb 5)
pls Not Me ep 12 flashbacks of Sean and Black when Joo Won handcuffs Dongshik and himself together and Dongshik punches him lol
“Nobody’s going to die... from today” well considering we’re on episode 8, I wonder how true that’ll be
ah there are still mysteries such as why did Guem Hwa send those 1s that day. did she really see Dongshik or did she just send that in a panic
lol Kwon and the audience both grumbling that Joo Won’s father only wants Han Joo Won’s name to be out and public and get special treatment about the arrest (1 joo won name revealed 2 details of case and suspect not revealed 3 lee dongshik’s name not revealed)
bro i’m gonna throw up, Min Jeong was alive when the fucker cut her fingers and put her in the pot
oh my godddd she was alive while Dongshik searched for her above that’s so fucked up that’s so fucked up he dug up the cabbage but not her
oh i’ve never seen a Korean funeral other than like the cremating in Squid Game I guess. I didn’t know this is how their cremation took place; I’m used to seeing Hindu cremations on TV as a child
ah fuck 25 mins getting to see that fucker kill the 4 of them T.T
ah he cut off their fingers because they pointed at him? the first girl, Yoo Yeon. did Min Jeong point her finger?
(Bromance) lol Dongshik disappeared and Joo Won’s on a vacation cut to Dongshik having followed Joo Won as he searches the passage parlours for someone who knows Geum Hwa I’m guessing. And Dongshik figuring out and teasing that Joo Won now has emotions for the people, including Dongshik (that’s why he’s letting Dongshik walk around free with a promise of turning himself in for crimes such as not telling about Jin Mook earlier - even though why would you trust a criminal to turn themselves in etc)
ohhh Joo Won’s looking for Yoon Hye Mi/Mi Hye - Min Jeong’s mother, who Jin Mook was possibly searching for in Busan parlours
ohhhh?! this motherfucker really went through all the women who got caught in the massage parlour bust and killed them all? because he didn’t want them to tell her than he was looking for her because he wanted to kill her my god
oh Hye Mi was going by Cherry and died last year by traffic but I’m assuming that’s not gonna be true?
oh yeah they didn’t talk about finding Jae Yi’s mom so I guess Jin Mook told her to go there and knew that cops would probably go there and not find him digging up Min Jeong’s body or something?
it’s sooo fucked up that Jin Mook buried the bodies in other people’s backyards and stuff when they got him to do stuff around their house. Jae Yi looking everywhere for her mother but she’s buried right there in the butcher shop backyard
wtf Jin Mook escaped and said “Dongshik-ah, not Yoo Yeon” ? oh just kidding my bad he hung himself I think okay fucker really killed himself tf
Someone on reddit said Yoo Yeon was the only one who we didn’t see get actually killed - so somebody else killed Yoo Yeon? and did the finger thing? but Jin Mook specifically had the finger thing hm maybe he cut her fingers and kept her alive the same way he did to Min Jeong but she escaped and then was killed like hit by Jeong Je or something or other
omgggggg I nearly spoiled myself very big again because I searched up Beyond Evil on pannchoa and one of the comments had a spoilered comment like “the reveal of where yoo yeon’s body was hidden blah blah” and I nearly read it but thankfully I didn’t. TODO there are two posts’ comments I wanna read on pannchoa after I’ve finished watching
Ep 9: To Float - 떠오르다 (Feb 6)
oh Joo Won confessed his sting with Geum Hwa
damn Dongshik watching videos of his mom and Jin Mook 20 years ago where she mentioned Jin Mook renovating his house and trying to break apart his floor to see if he hid Yoo Yeon there ah
ah ep 9, starting the second half of the story in a callback to the first ep where Dongshik catches the aunties and grandmas gambling
Joo Won looked quite cute and pretty as he appeared for duty again heh
ohh Around the time Kang Jin Mook was discovered to be dead in his cell by suicide, Jae Yi was trying to get to the cell to kill him but couldn’t - she voluntarily tells this to the Munju police because she received an email that a dashcam video will be sent to the cops otherwise
wait omg Joo Won just referred to Jae Yi as noona when talking to his father - I didn’t realize she was his noona but heh that’s nice if they do go in a romantic direction
Joo Won really just went to smile and piss off his father
someone from the cops is working as an informant for councilwoman? agh. is it the chief?
Jae Yi saying nobody knew that she was at the station that night Jin Mook died but the chief seems suspicious... as if he knew... and he’d previously deleted CCTV footage, so did he do the same now about the CCTV near Jin Mook’s cell
heh Ji Hwa, Dongshik, Jeong Je are a fun trio
ah and so the cops and the councilwoman, construction CEO etc become more entangled.
also does this mean Dongshik and Jeong Je really were together that night when Yoo Yeon died? I thought there was a strong suggestion that he’d lied
and that place is right beside the deer farm that Jeong Je’s family owns ah
Joo Won looks pretty with his pretty coat and pretty smile
ah Joo Won’s desperate “you promised me that you’d turn yourself in”
ah, I feel like they’d be the roots of a tree or a different corpse? damn Oh Jihoon keeps finding corpses, first Geum Hwa and now this
in the ep 7-8 reddit on-air thread, people mentioned Jeong Je’s family owning a deer farm so I thought maybe Yoo Yeon’d be hidden there but turns out literally wayyyy too many dead bodies are buried there but likely not Yoo Yeon
(Bromance) okay listen, Joo Won and Dongshik had really good interactions and dynamics before this ep but now that the killer had been found and has died, I’m noticing things like oh Joo Won very beautiful and oh the Joo Won/Dongshik dynamics even more delicious than the haha bromance before. like Dongshik coming to Jin Mook’s house and hearing a video of Jin Mook’s voice to Dongshik is eerie and it’s so good to reveal that Joo Won has been listening to those. Joo Won’s arrogance not as pointed toward finding Dongshik suspicious even if it is to annoy Dongshik. Them calling each other cute wtf
jk Joo Won still suspicious of Dongshik - now for killing Jin Mook and not actually trying to find Yoo Yeon
ah so Jin Mook got the autopsy report of Hye Mi’s death so he had no more reason to live
Jin Mook really fuckin meant it when he said I returned Yoo Yeon to you - she was in the fucking basement furnace walls that Jin Mook put up even though Dongshik’s mom said not to do construction there
right so the chief ha been hiding something because why did he help with Jin Mook’s suicide - what does that fucker know that the chief doesn’t want to get out? did he kill Yoo Yeon? and try to pin it on Dongshik 20 years ago? what is his arrest going to unconver, ah
I don’t get Joo Won (?) inside the office or what’s happening
This is the first episode where I started actually shipping Dongshik and Joo Won beyond just “oh I like these two characters’ dynamic” and more as a “fuck I wish they had a romantic storyline” I even read 2 fics on AO3 released before ep 10 so that I don’t get spoiled oof kilmer by SerpentineJ is mindboggling i liked the fuckedupness
Ep 10: To Sink - 가라앉다 (Feb 6)
December 2020 ooh we’re going 2 months back from present - it’s 1 month after Kang Jin Mook’s death
What does it mean that Kwon is using unnie to refer to Jae Yi
Kwon talking about booksmart Joo Won getting used by crazy Dongshik - this was mentioned in the fic kilmer where Joo Won knew he was being used by Dongshik
ohhh that was cool because I’ve been like oh so far it’s like ep 9′s Joo Won who is smiley hasn’t started existing yet because it’s 2 months before ep 9 and it’s true, seems like this is when he decided to be reborn after the convo with Kwon
oh lol there really was an almost reunion of Jae Yi, Chief, and Joo Won at Busan
ah Joo Won found the dashcam footage using a PI
oh did Joo Won not request the arrest without a warrant for Chief? so somebody else knows?
"how many times have people from manyang station been arrested?” no like fr lmfao
Dongshik’s breakdown as he talks about how he imagined finding Yoo Yeon alive to her body to her skeleton to her ashes and yet not imaging her in his fucking basement and crying
Chief’s office had the autopsy report and fishing line? damn, that’d just make me think that it’s not him and somebody’s setting him up wtf
naurr Dongshik to Chief “Do I have to see something bad happen to you?”
oh lmfao Joo Won learned from Dongshik to fabricate evidence and even smiled at the CCTV - unlike Dongshik who had the footage deleted with Chief’s help
oh please Joo Won is sooo annoying with his smile and teasing hehe “ah that reminds me! ‘is that it? did you come all the way here because of that?’” throwing Dongshik’s words back at him. oh he’s memorized every fucking thing Dongshik had said to him or what?
Jeong Je’s going through it oof he was the last person to see Yoo Yeon that night and he was also the last person to see Min Jeong that night rip him fr
so Jeong Je’s deers look like people right? Who did that last deer look like? Yoo Yeon?
Dongshik knows Jae Yi saw Chief the night Jin Mook killed himself. ah Chief also knows it’s Joo Won who put him in that cell and Joo Won’s tryna what? bug the Chief’s wallet to be able to overhead convo? track him?
lol the photo taking with the Chief in a cell with a peace sign
bro too much is happening so Dongshik was in front of the what? deer farm thing or what idk and Chief was going there too but saw him and left. Joo Wonwas tailing him there and then to the main office where 2 other people from the substation were there too for some reason and then intercepted by his father and we learn his mother died
Joo Won was at the city as a child and was sent to the Uk at either, I wonder when his mother died? Was it while they were in Manyang? killed by Jin Mook? and then his father sent him away? or is that a coincidence
damn councilwoman wants to tranquilize Jeong Je
ah so Yoo Yeon really wasn’t killed by Jin Mook but somebody ran her over Multiple times <- Jeong Je? idk
somebody with black gloves killed the chief (the chief also wanted to kill them bc he came here with a gun) - is this the person who helped Jin Mook die?
Joo Won followed the Chief and realized somebody hit him, Dongshik realized something happened by calling the Chief and him finally picking up but just breathing
oh noooo Joo Won saying the same stuff that Dongshik’s old partner said but he dieddd
my god Dongshik repeatedly telling Joo Won to be careful and Joo Won saying he’ll be waiting. him telling the cops to track joo won and saying he’s his partner
damn bruv okay so Jeong Je and Dongshik got to the scene too late and the chief for sure dead and oof rip
dongshik in joo won’s arms hm
I feel like alksdfj because for multiple eps, since the ep where we saw Jin Mook at the end scene (ep 5) onwards, we’ve been getting answers - whether it be who is the murder, why, how, where the bodies of other victims are, where’s Yoo Yeon, etc. but this ep, we found out a bit like Yoo Yeon wasn’t killed by Jin Mook but by being run over and had a billion questions raised like who killed Yoo Yeon, why? how did Jin Mook get hold of her body? What did Chief know? Who helped Jin Mook die? Who killed Chief? etc
Ep 11: To Tighten - 조이다 (Feb 7)
It’s the break between my Tuesday classes and I’m spending that time starting another episode. I’m not even watching Never Let Me Go episode from today (read a few spoilers about it though) and instead watching this ah, I’m a bad student
Also, I’ve started listening to the OSTs since last night and it’s so good TODO listen to the songs and add some like The Night (+ instrumental) to my spotify
This show really does show everything rather than tell. People have been saying so on the reddit on-air threads for a while but we’re at the 2003 flashback with Chief and yeah, this show is big on just showing what happened and less exposition
Lee Dohyun my loveeee
ah parallels of Chief and Dongshik attending his father’s funeral vs Dongshik and Joo Won attending Chief’s funeral ah
naurr this grief is fucking me up fr like Dongshik going through the chief’s house, the flashback to Chief bringing the jjigae and their chant
Joo Won even drinking from the shared utensils
Joo Won and Jae Yi convo with his apologizing and thanking her hm
okay so i guess Jo Gil Goo and Hwang Gwang Yeong are starting to play more of a role since last ep after having not been there much for the first half of the show. would it really be one of them who killed Chief? they did say Gil Goo knew Chief for 21 years hm that’s when the original deaths happened
It’s curious that Joo Won and Dongshik are telling literally everybody that he saw those two at the Seoul agency - that makes it seem like there’s less weight to the suspicions
please I wish Jae Yi and Jihoon were a thing, her driving with him in the back of the motorcycle <3 i love het couples who are gay4gay
lol I too was thinking Hwang Gwang Yeong would be here to try for some job opportunity, makes sense
Gil Goo called Han Joo Won’s father deputy whatever that night hm
oh Jeong Je throwing away his medication <- the one councilwoman was using tranquilizer in or whatever? so that his visions/flashbacks continue
Gil Goo did something during the Yoo Yeong missing case 21 years ago that he thoughts was the order of the chief back then (ie. current Deputy whatever Joo Won’s father) ahh
and then the Chief came in to see the deputy chief? asking about Jo Gil Goo? omg and analysis report? wtf is happening girl
anyway i don’t believe for a second that Deputy Chief doesn’t have any idea about what’s going on. he’s the one who closed the case after 4 months back in 2000 after all and he’s shady throughout this whole show. doesn’t know about the analysis report and doesn’t know about what he ordered Gil Goo hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Gil Goo visited the chief in the holding cell
ohhh wtf wtf okay so there was a guitar pick beside the body in 2000, Gil Goo gave it to the forensics team and got the analysis report, that report had nothing that there were no prints on the analysis report oof - so it wasn’t actually Dongshik’s guitar pick the way I originally thought it was. I’d thought maybe he left it there when he was visiting her restaurant or whatever
oh the pick was Dongshik’s but there were no fingerprints on it - so I’m guessing there were Dongshik’s and somebody else’s?
man i should think of guesses right now ig because the reveals might be coming soon but idek like somebody pretended to give orders based on being Chief Han, who could do that? Am I supposed to be suspicious of Ji Hwa’s partner? would it be councilwoman because Jeong Je’s fingerprints would also be on the pick?
ah it’s true i guess that one person really did kill 3 people: yoo yeon, jin mook, chief name sang bae. a serial killer based on hiding yoo yeon’s killer
okay who is this guy again? chief of some other substation? of the violent crimes thing? he’s been at some of the interrogations
oh his name Cheol Moon - didn’t Gil Goo call him too? before calling the deputy chief? i guess it’s because cheol moon had been acting as if chief Han had ordered for the faking and disappearance of the analysis report
ah so Cheol Moon and Chief had gone to Jin Mook’s cell
bruv Jin Mook had ripped off his fingers to write on the wall w blood
ah it’s the construction CEO - somebody had mentioned that in the reddit on-air threads. someone sent him the CCTV from jin mook’s cells hmm also he owns the deer farm where the bodies are found <- will we get to hear more about this? were they killed like Jin Mook’s victims choking? like car accidents?
is CEO construction also faking his physical disability that’s so annoying of this fucking show
is councilwoman’s number the burner phone number than gil goo called?
my goodness
last 15 min rewatched: still so </3
I feel feral; it’s been a few hours since I watched this (I had to watch the last few minutes on such a time crunch cuz I had to get to my next class and time was running out but I was too close to the end to just stop and watch the rest later lol) and I’m just klajdsf about the ending. so Jeong Je ran over Yoo Yeon (poor girl, she was so happy to see the car lights), then councilwoman and the constructor CEO were also there and probably helped cover it up. does Jeong Je actually know he ran her over or is he so drugged up by his mom that he doesn’t know or that his visions/hallucinations make him think that was not real and he instead hit a deer? poor dongshik who somehow learned jeong je ran over yoo yeon. Also, did Yoo Yeon have her fingers or no? How did she escape Jin Mook? also how is Cheol Moon involved hmm and was it joo won who sent CEO the CCTV clip or someone else? ah fuck i’m mad that I have like 4 more hours of stuff to do before I can watch the next ep
Ep 12: To Loosen - 풀다 (Feb 8)
I'm so fucking stupid and only watched 1 ep yesterday because last night i was supposed to do some homework then watch ep 12 of beyond evil but i kept procrastinating for hours upon hours, so i only just finished the work at 12:30 and couldn’t watch another ep. ahh it’s even more annoying that i didn’t even procrastinate by watching an episode because i kept thinking i can’t start an 1h ep, i’ll be starting my work in like 5 minutes! 3 hours later i hadn’t started work nor watched an ep
Also I kept having to leave the G/T rated fics I tried reading because I was afraid that I’d get spoiled so I was like well if I read an explicit fic how much can porn really spoil? Well turns out Dongshik goes to prison for a year in the end maybe, it can spoil that
Who is Secretary Jang that Construction CEO Jin Lee is calling
ohhhh so Dongshik didn’t know that Jeong Je hit his sister but that Jeong Je must have recognized councilwoman’s burner phone from Gil Goo’s call log but didn’t mention it
and Jeong Je can’t remember that he actually hit Yoo Yeon that night or what happened that night; though he does know that the number what the burner phone his mom used 20 years ago
As I was about to start the ep, I was like oh it’d be fun if this ep’s title is 풀다 cuz I know that word already and it was :)
(Bromance) “Are you worried about me right now, Lieutenant Han Joo Won?” “Do you think I’m crazy?” lmfaoo
i wish i knew everybody’s names cuz who tf is HKH is this Deputy Chief Han
how much does Deputy Chief CEO Han know ah like he’s been in cahoots with councilwoman and Jin LEe CEO but he claims to not know wtf is going on and also he wasn’t seen in the flashback to the night of Yoo Yeong’s death
pls why are Joo Won and Dongshik so cute >.< Dongshik once again being like “ooh was i there?” and joo won instead of taking it as a confession, he’s like don’t joke about it >:((
okay they quickly learned that Jin Lee was at the restaurant last night
so who sent Jin Lee the CCTV vid hmm it doesn’t seem like Joo Won Dongshik etc I wonder if it could be Gil Goo trying to right his wrongs from before or Park Jeong Je in a similar vein
fuck did I forget something? What was in Chief Nam Sang Bae’s safe? the guitar pick analysis report? did Joo Won take that? or somebody else? also interesting that Gil Goo just straight up knows that councilwoman had a hand in killing Chief and just isn’t saying anything
what did councilwoman use that burner hone for 21 years ago?
also okay so Yoo Yeon’s body, catatonic Park Jeong Je, his mother councilwoman, and Jin Lee Construction CEO were all gathered there that night and Jin Lee was supposed to take care of Yoo Yeon’s body (he got Jin Mook to cover it up I suppose (in exchange for what? getting to bury people in the deer farm that Jin Lee bought from councilwoman?) and councilwoman tried to cover up everything Jeong Je was involved in (the guitar pick that was found and used for Dongshik’s capture whad Jeong Je’s fingerprints - I feel like that was guessable based on the fact that Jeong and Dongshik were friends and since finding out about councilwoman’s involvement, it’d make sense that she’d get rid of the paper because Jeong Je was her son and she’s protecting him ofc ofc but we still don’t know why the guitar pick was there that day. ig we’ll learn once Jeong Je’s memory comes back)
ooh Joo Won character growth of not just arresting Jeong Je without a warrant for having killed Yoo Yeon because he learned after doing that stuff to Dongshik
who is So Nyeo again? this pregnant lady ah her name is familiar but who are you? the forsenics department person? oh she’s telling them how Yoo Yeon probably was hit by the car
damn girl, Jo Gil Goo’s wife also involved with the councilwoman, Cheol Moon, and construction CEO?
so now Dongshik knows that Do Hae Won has been paying Gil Goo for 20 years because he switched out the guitar pick analysis report and the original fingerprints were Jeong Je’s
no like why are we also being like yesh Jeong Je’s meds hm like just 1 person takes meds and it’s seen as bad thing to cover up bad thing they did like pls this showwwwwww let’s spread a little less ableist ideas
ohh I’d assumed Dongshik had texted Yoo Yeon that night but it was Jeong Je - which makes sense now if we think that that’s her boyfriend
ah fuck was i supposed to fucking remember the burner phone numbers? did jeong je use the same phone to text yoo yeon that his mother later has used as her burner phone number
wait hold on wtf so Yoo Yeon was already fallen on the ground by the time Jeong Je ran over her? but also whoooo are these people like the outfit isn’t the same? or is it? or what’s happening? it wasn’t the outfit of the other girl whose body was near the guitar pick either
oh just kidding Yoo Yeon was indeed wearing that outfit but her yellow jacket was not to be found when Jeong Je ran her over
oh insane I was like Dongshik for sure not killing Jeong Je with that hammer lol but I also didn’t expect him to tell Joo Won of the confession but to aslo let Jeong Je just go home and kinda use him as bait to find out more about his mother councilwoman and also about who’s behind Chief’s murder etc and also I wonder if he realizes that something’s weird about Jeong Je saying Yoo Yeon was already on the ground when he ran over her, because a car hit her on the knees first
oh is this a hint that Han Joo Won’s deputy chief/commisioner father did indeed do something bad all thought years ago - this show keeps making him suspicious and then be like hm no he doesn’t know anything but then suspicious again
ah of course Han Joo Won’s father hit Yoo Yeon first and then just left her there I guess and then drunk out of his mind ran over Jeong Je her fallen body. did dongshik somehow already know of the father’s involvement bc why did he speak to joo won like that about his loyalty to family and whether dongshik can trust him if his father does something bad
Poor Yoo Yeon for real; she escaped the car while Jin Mook was dragging the other girl’s body and still got run over so many times and left for dead
we got a glimpse last episode of Yoo Yeong’s death so I thought we know most of the things but they seem to have endless tricks up their sleeves
When did Jeong’s mother and Jin Lee appear? did he call her? Jeong Je’s guitar pick fell when he went to Yoo Yeon, how come it was near the other girl?
Ep 13: To Ask - 묻다 (Feb 8)
Oof, no wonder all 3 of the councilwoman, Jin Lee, and Han Chief all ended up seeing Yoo Yeon’s body, they were all together and drinkingright before that. Makes more sense than them all stumbling upon her on their own
so Dongshik did catch the fact that Yoo Yeon can’t have been lying down
ya going back to how Han Gi Hwan closed the case just 4 months after Yoo Yeon’s disappearence
Oh I just realized person and deer are similar in Korean 사슴 사람
Did Jeong Je tell Dongshik abut Jin Lee also being there at the crime site or no because he seems to remember that. oh he did, okay
dang his mother breaking down like you’re not remembering it right because you’re the one who killed Yoo Yeon! when Jeong Je was asking who killed Yoo Yeon
no it’s like crazy that Han Gi Hwan ran over Yoo Yeon and left and then so many people worked to cover up Yoo Yeon’s death cuz of Jeong Je that Han Gi Hwan didn’t even have to do anything except close the case 4 months later and not worry about it for 20 years
lol but also this coverup meant the case been unsolved for 2 decades when, if Jeong Je had been arrested, everybody would’ve thought he killed her by himself and Han Gi Hwan wouldn’t have had to worry at all despite having run her over first
ohh Han Gi Hwan gave Jin Lee the orders to kill Kang Jin Mook and pulled the CCTV strings (which reminds me - who send Jin Lee the CCTV footage? that’s why he’s been hounding Han Gi Hwan no?) - that was the secret they were hiding (presumably because the two more aboutthe Yoo Yeon incident than councilwoman who only knows about Jeong Je and Jin Lee’s cleanup)
damn Han Gi Hwan and Cheol Moon really just decided to frame Nam Sang Bae “if something goes wrong” but also why did Jin Lee then kill Nam Sang Bae? Han Gi Hwan knew that Nam Sang Bae would visit
“Catch all the rotten bastards” girl Han Gi Hwan talking bout himself or what
ah somebody on reddit on-air said that Jae Yi’s talk about how Jeong Je must receive punishment is also about how he shouldn’t kill himself to escape like Kang Jin Mook
Han Gi Hwan foiling Han Joo Won’s plan about him knowing about bribe-taker Cheol Moon because Joo Won already told his father he’d do something about it if he didn’t deal with Cheol Moon but Cheol Moon has blackmail material on Han Gi Hwan such as him being involved with Kang Jin Mook’s death
girl what the fuck is happeningggggg okay is this Joo Won and Dongshik’s plan and that’s why Joo Won decided to come here to this commissioner thing (Kwon saying oh Joo Won you came here for this little thing? talking about the bribery scandal but he’s here to cause an even bigger scandal?) or is Dongshik going fucking balls to the wall wild again ahhhhhhhh scream
ohh Joo Won didn’t knowwww fuckkkkk what’s going on fucking hell
Girl I have immense amount of work to do because I’ve been procrastinating too much but... should I just procastinate for another 1.5 hours and watch the next ep wtf
This show has ended up so different from the first half where we had a loose serial killer but now it’s like laws and corrupt officials and bribery but it still keeps my attention and curiosity
Ep 14: To Answer - 답하다 (Feb 8)
nooooooo my poor Joo Won T.T his mom tried to kill herself and his dad sent his mom to a psych ward
they’re showing the arrest again and now that i’m not sooo focused on the ‘wtf is happening’ i’m like yknow what they both look hot
ohhh okay good it was in fact Joo Won’s idea whewwwwww
plsss Dongshik’s faceeee as Joo Won is confessing during the questioning even though Dongshik made him promise that he’ll use his right to remain silent
oh yeah i totally forgot that Han Joo Won had previously confessed and then they’d done nothing about it and he hadn’t been punished despite being wanting it
ohhh Joo Won being like fuck you for breaking your promise to turn yourself in for not calling as soon as you found out Jin Mook was guilty and we might’ve saved Min Jeong. I’ll thus break my proise to not take the punishment and instead admit my crimes
oh the punishment is just a suspension? or it says ‘until disciplinary meeting’ so maybe something more will come
damn not Kwan getting slapped by Han Gi Hwan and spoken to lowly. i kept thinking he’s gonna betray Joo Won in order to do something for his father but hmmmm I mean he could betray them both lol there’s 3 more hours left
pls not Joo Won appearing to a) lie to his father about not knowing about getting arrested (thus the show about what are you doing rn? during the arrest ig) and b) annoying his father
naur Joo Won’s father telling him to get out and him actually taking it to heart fr this time. it’s okay my guy your father will hopefully be in prison for hit and run soon
oh Kang Jin Mook just found Yoo Yeon, he and Jin Lee weren’t working together. that’s good i don’t think it would’ve made sense if Jin Lee just knew of a serial killer running around lowering their chance of redevelopment and didn’t do anything to stop it
Councilwoman’s secret girl there are so many things it could be about so idek
why is Jin Lee so funny just “if everybody knows it, would it be a secret?” and his heart eyes for Jihwa
aw Jihwa telling Jeong Je “good work” T.T
i love Jae Yi <3 also idk I like when Jae Yi treats Joo Won with the lightest layer of disdain but still is cordial towards him and I’d like it if they were friends but not romantically involved
ohoho all this talks about not being on the same team, alright guys
yaas Jae Yi chasing Han Gi Hwan
oh i’m a dumbass obviously Cheol Moon sent Jin Lee the CCTV footage
girl i keep getting confused and being like ohh dongshik joo won kiss <3 like wtf do you mean by ‘i promise i’ll contact you’ ‘i’ll be waiting, Han Joo Won’
ah so Han Gi Hwan did get caught by Jin Lee and that’s why it’s so interesting that he was called about the same girl again by the councilwoman
oof Joo Won bugged his dad’s car and gets to hear about how his father ordered Jin Lee to kill Jin Mook
I hope Joo Won is recording this he’s getting confessions of Jin Mook and Nam Sang BAe’s murders almost and kinda planning of Cheol Moon’s
not Joo Won’s brain and heart fucking breaking as he gets confirmation that his dad caused the accident that killed Yoo Yeon
naurrr not Dongshik checking his phone like a lover waiting for a text wtf
ah poor Joo Won at the end, just like the beginning. what’s he gonna do with that golf club in the rain
Ep 15: To Let Go - 놓다 (Feb 9)
noo poor Joo Won learning that not only did his father kill Yoo Yeon but he’s badmouthing Joo Won and didn’t even clearly say he won’t kill his own son
oh yeah it’s interesting how Joo Won came to the town convinved Dongshik killed Geum Hwa and Yoo Yeon but indeed it comes back to Joo Woon and his family
ooh Kang Jin Mook and chairwoman Do Hae Won know the secret mentioned in the last ep but Jin Lee doesn’t know. does Han Gi Hwan?
damn Joo Won being like i’ll set a trap, be the bait, become a monster, and drag Han Gi Hwan into hell with me and that’s how i’ll apologize to you Dongshik
(Fave) D: not the kneeling in front of Dongshik. My bad for reading that post-canon explicit fic that slightly mentioned Dongshik thinking of this moment because now I’m looking at it with that in mind
(Fave) but kneeling in front of someone and saying “I will go to hell” as you beg them to let you drag your father down for killing their sister is actually such aklsfjalksdfj (Edit: I’m reblogging every single gifset with this scene or with Joo Won/Dongshik hands gifsets where they talk about Joo Won atoning by going to hell ah)
damn the interaction between Jeong Je and his mom where she’s like... outwardly evil is wild
not them going on a meal date right now
pls Joo Won being like “sniveling? i never cried” like okay my guy
damn Han Gi Hwan knuckle bloody from punching the phone
ahhh Joo Won being like stop getting stabbed in the back by bastards you need to get rid of and hold my hand, thus using han gi hwan’s own words to point the accomplices as enemies and showing him that joo won can hold out his hand first
lmfao councilwoman’s approval rating for becoming mayor is last place? girl at least han gi hwan is literally nominated to become commissioner but she’s doing all these insane things for what? esp if she doesn’t even gaf about her son for real
damn Dongshik coming in at the perfect moment to stop Jin Lee from murdering Jeong Cheol Moon in broad daylight
I love it when I don’t know anything like for the past several episodes, we’ve known more than Dongshik or Joo Won have known but now, I don’t know what they’re planning exactly beyond just taking down Han Gi Hwan, so this is fun
you know Dongshik and Joo Won give me perfect ‘pretend enemies while lovers’ like Pat/Pran
pls Jin Lee being like okay I enjoyed the show, you’re trying to show me that your relationship is pretty bad right now. Am I close? like plssss maybe he’s my favourite character, who knows
ah Jin Lee said that night Han Gi Hwan came just to ask him to reject his wife’s construction company’s bid (a lie bc they were supposed to work together)
oof Jin Lee pointedly brining up the part when commissioner Han Gi Hwan was like a murderer shouldn’t get a mic into his mic
ah Jin Lee working to make it seem like Do Hae Won ran over Yoo Yeon + talking about how the bodies found in the Deer Farm killed by Kang Jin Mook was on his property but it was still Do Hae Won who had access to it and is suggesting she worked with Kan Jin Mook
tbh we still don’t know why Jeong Je’s guitar pick thing appeared beside the other girl
Park Jeong Je in a mental hospital
Joo Won was expecting his father to do something about Cheol Moon but instead he promoted him right hm
girl what’s happening agh fuck 50m in i can’t rn i have class soon, guess i’ll just have to watch this later T.T
okay time to finish watching the last 15 mins or so
does Prosecutor Kwan now know Lee Dongshik’s number even though he technically doesn’t know whose number it is he can probably guess
Joo Won seeing Jeong Cheol Moon text Dongshik about meeting alone and so taking his phone...
Did Joo Won’s behaviors seem weird to Dongshik - ah he’s realized Joo Won took his phone
girl what the fuckkkkk Joo Won what?!
Is this what Joo Won meant by “I will become a monster” like what’s happening what did Joo Won do? Why did Cheol Moon wanna meet Dongshik? girl there’s 1 ep left wtf???
Ah okay I will have a guess that: Jeong Cheol Moon turning off his lights immediately after going home was strange. Maybe he was waiting for Dongshik in the darkness or maybe somebody else was there and turned it off? acc idek what guess I have beyond I doubt Joo Won actually killed him, thus the ‘it seems like... i killed him’ so either somebody else killed Cheol Moon and was trying to frame Dongshik perhaps. or maybe Joo Won is gonna have Cheol Moon in hiding not dead - that’ll get him out of Han Gi Hwan’s hair for the time being. idkidk Also Joo Won and Dongshik stared at each other for sooo long in that last scene, what were you communicating?! tell meeee
Ep 16: To Catch/Hold - 잡다 (Feb 9)
Badmouthing somebody and then calling them and having the phone ringing from your shower is so horrific lmfao
Whose phones is Jin Lee trying to frame
Okay, I was confused about the timeline of the text but it makes more sense now. Jin Lee texted Dongshik with an unknown number (JCM is used by Jin Lee or the father and that was in the text) before Cheol Moon arrived home and that’s he was killed and Jin Lee put the phone that texted Dongshik on the sink to show that Dongshik was brought there and then killed him. Wonder what the other phone is for though
Dongshik talking about Joo Won like that’s his lover
naurrrr Joo Won’s Lady Macbeth type washing the blood from his hands
“I don’t like other people in my home” “You don’t like other people in your home but you entered mine so boldly?”
So Jin Lee left his cellphone that he used to text Nam Sang Bae, which he also used to text Dongshik to come to JCM’s house, along with Nam Sang Bae’s phone.
ah they’re framing it as Cheol Moon killing Nam Sang Bae and committing suicide and also previously tried to frame it like Dongshik killed Cheol Moon, they’re really tryna get as many birds with one stone huh
6179 was the number of Han Gi Hwan’s cellphone after speaking with Jin Lee, are we supposed to remember it?
girl Jin Lee had a whole wife and kid when he married Ji Hwa?!
Dongshik telling Do Hae Won about Jeong Je not really being the culprit
no what was councilwoman tryna say about Kang Jin Mook D:
bruh Dongshik and Joo Won really bet on the fact that Jeong Je would be moved and swooped in to take him away. my cool Jae Yi
okay finally we’re gonna learn bout the location of the guitar pick around Bang Joo Seon
ah Jin Mook put the guitar pick there on purpose to make them think Jeong Je killed both Yoo Yeon and Joo Seon
damn this whole time Ho Dae Won knew that the serial killer was Jin Mook and gave him the deer farm to store his victims ah
damn the Jin Mook and Ho Dae Won convo is wild
oof they left Do HaE Won out and tried to make it seem like she killed Yoo Yeon Jin Mook etc but she came out and said it was the other two oof
damn okay Prosecuter Kwon has been giving sleezy vibes this whole time (budget Kang Jin Mook who just evades some laws instead of a serial murderer) but I guess he listened to what Joo Won said
“Do you only entertain Lee Dongshik’s calls? Are you two dating?” Bro I should drop the (Bromance) and just do (Romance) like wtf
ah so I guess Dongshik got the confession that it was Han Gi Hwan from Jin Lee’s mouth
oh no Joo Won’s mother committed suicide at the hospital and his rascal father said that’s the worst escape a weak person can choose
damn Joo Won learned from Dongshik to do this ‘face the gun’ and taunt type thing but Dongshik knew you wouldn’t fucking kill him Joo Won. your father however...
the way Joo Won went to block Dongshik with his body and keep his eyes lowered is killing me so bad, my beautiful boy I wanna read about you getting [redacted]
I love Dongshik’s face every time Joo Won surprises him, like the gun shooting at the roof
About being arrested by Joo Won for messing with Min Jeong’s murder scene, Dongshik’s like “If you don’t do it, I won’t turn myself in.” like broooo why are they so special to each other ah
Joo Won’s arrest of Dongshik being so different now than previously
Linguistics: The handholding and “Joo Won-ah” and Joo Won’s tears I’m gonna crawl into a hole
(Fave) Joo Won’s crying on Dongshik’s hands that are in handcuffs while Dongshik smiles on what if I cried and died what would this show do then
yknow I’m used to looking into things like ah yes these girl besties are definitely in love and these guys are litteraly soulmates etc but now... are they tryna tell me these two are in love like idek
girl Feb 5 2021 for a second my heart skipped a beat like oh this is Feb 3 2021 I’m watching it close to the date but like uhhh it’s 2023 get your head on straight miss boy
Joo Won coming to his mother’s grave ah
if this was a BL, the choahamnida by Joo Won after the jjigae would’ve been a moment of “oh? what does he choa? could it be Lee Dongshik?”
the “Joo Won ah” instead of “Liutenant Joo Won” or “Han Joo W on-ssi” from Dongshik kills me so bad. but then Joo Won being like don’t use banmal with me lee dongshik-ssi
Joo Won going around finding people who are lost in mountains and stuff, the way Dongshik did to that girl’s father ah. that’s good but why are you guys walking awayyyyy what do you mean Joo Won didn’t visit him in prison
I wonder how I would’ve felt if I didn’t know from 2 different Explicit fics that Dongshik was in prison for a year at the end lol
I wish the ending was juuust a bit more drawn out or not given us an ‘1 year later’ because I need either a bit more of all of them together and Dongshik/Joo Won or I need none of it so that I am solely responsible for my imagination. Like to go from such such such deep emotions during Joo Won arresting Dongshik to this casual, almost detached feeling even though they clearly still care for one another is too much for me.
Overall:
Ah, 17-ish hours passed with this story and characters.
Interesting how I started the show for one reason (serial killer, who-dun-it) but after Kang Jin Mook’s capture and death, the show seemed to be like a new season but with the same overarching Yoo Yeon plot and became more about politicians and legalities. Yet, it kept me engaged.
The writing of this show was really good, I thought the unravelling was quite good and even when we were a few steps ahead of the main characters as the audience, it didn’t lose the edge and also the characters caught up quickly enough. There may be plot holes but nothing sticks out to me and that’s what’s important. The characters were also really well written and given depth. The acting is great, the directing was soooo good in some places like congrats on this cinematography and directing choices, and the music was good too.
Also, it’s director and scriptwriter are both women, which is great, especially for this type of series that focuses so much on female victims
I’ve not been feeling romance for the past few weeks but Dongshik/Joo Won did manage to give me intense brain worms. Especially because in the first half, I was more worried about the girls and catching the killer etc and they had an interesting enough dynamic then with the antagonizing but after there wasn’t An Imminent Threat in the 2nd half is when we started getting more of their dynamics and such. They seemed so fucking gay in the text, not subtext, in the last few eps, esp the last episode. I will often look at same gendered friends and be like ah they are madly in love but did this show specifically want me to think of them that way because it sure seemed like it at the end, though I will choose to believe that they will continue to be very close after the show ends and not see each other’s face once a year or something.
Very good, I think I’ll rewatch this sometime and also gonna go read fics. Rewatching will for sure be interesting as I get to see more things, like even at the very first scene, young Kang Jin Mook is seen being asked to move things
Rating: 8/10
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Joo Won holding Dongshik at Chielf Nam Sang Bae’s body (bg: Chandelier - Sia)
Dongshik Edit (bg: hey mickey you’re so fine)
Min Jeong T.T (bg: Yellow - Coldplay)
Jae Yi <333
Joo Won “i don’t like touching people’s hands” vs clutching at Dongshik
Juwoon Dongshik parallels (twt: bfufilm)
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OMG NEW WRITER >w< HIII!!!!
can i request found family au with kirumi and kokchi? Gender pf readwr up to you, and they can be both seperate or the same family lmao
btw random trivia thing: why did u start this account? whats ur reason for writing? im just curious, u dont hafta answer ^w^
Kirumi Tojo/Kokichi Ouma x Reader (Platonic) - Found Family AU
Aaaaa a request lets goooooo
Thank you for the wonderful request AND the wonderful trivia question!! My reasoning isn't really interesting, I was bored lol. I also want to improve my writing skills, keeping a character 'in character' is a bit of a struggle for me. I adore the found family troupe!! I tried my best to make it seem like you and the characters in question were actual platonic family and not just very close friends, I’m not sure if I succeeded or not. Sorry if it's not to your liking... If you want me to change it just say so!!!
Kirumi Tojo
- Kirumi, being the Ultimate Maid, is always helping people out with their requests, but she seems to always pester you specifically about demands
- If you’re thirsty, she’ll make you a cup of tea. If you’re hungry, she’ll make you a full course meal. If you’re sick, she’ll literally baby you. Even if you told her that you didn’t need her to help you so much, she’ll just continue doing it calling it “her duty as a maid”
- Of course she won’t do things that she knows will make you uncomfortable but it’s very common for her to decline your refusal
- SHE'LL GLADLY TUCK YOU INTO BED AND READ YOU A BEDTIME STORY...JUST SAYING
- Kirumi does put effort into everybody’s requests and she does put people above herself (usually) but you're her number one. She puts you above everybody else, making your requests a lot more important to her
- Sometimes you try to hang out with her, have a normal conversation. It’s a bit of a struggle. She will take that as another request even if you said it wasn’t one
- Congratulation!! You managed to get her to hang out with you!! Maybe you’re playing video games or maybe even board/card games with her. Perhaps you two are doing something the one of you enjoys or maybe you’re just talking to one another. Either way, she’ll always listen to you no matter what you’re talking about and she’ll make the activity you both are doing ten times better
- Kirumi doesn’t like being called “mom” since she isn’t even old, but one time you called her a “big sister” which was a nice compliment to her. Even if it was a joke it still made her smile sweetly at the nickname
- She isn’t the type to joke around much but if you continued to call her the nickname above I can imagine her calling you “little sibling/brother/sister” in return
- Whenever you’re sad, she’ll listen to you talk (if you want to talk) before giving you advice while preparing you a nice drink
- Speaking of advice, it’s pretty much canon that she’s good at giving advice. Top tier advice always.
- She is an amazing mother/sister!! The people around you keep calling you her child-
- It’s rare for Kirumi to show when she's sad. If you somehow manage to let her express her feelings she'd like for you to listen. You don't even have to be looking at her just the thought that somebody is willing to listen to her vent is good enough for her
- Overall, she loves you and she basically adopted you lol. Sorry not sorry. She's an amazing person to be around and she thinks that you're an amazing person as well!!!
Kokichi Ouma
- He will drag you EVERYWHERE. No matter where he's going you're coming along, no "buts"
- Ouma loves doing the most bizarre things with you. It doesn't have to be a crime but it's definitely something most people would rather not do. If you're more of the anxious type then he'd try to tone it down a bit while still doing something "dangerous", but if you are completely fine with his terrible ideas then off you two go
- You two are the duo everybody fears lol
- I have a feeling that he'd pull more pranks on you then the others. But don't worry!! Prank him back and then he'd be sitting in his room for the next 24 hours trying to think of a way to get you back. A great way to make him shut the fuck up/j
- He'd also be less gentle with his nicknames. Don't worry, he has a line he won't cross so he won't personally attack you
- Whenever you two are hanging out, playing a game for example, he would make it a challenge to beat you at it
- If you lost, good luck because you won't hear the end of it. He'd brag about it to EVERYBODY. The whole world knows you lost to him once in that one game. If you won, on the other hand, he'd get all angry, start crying, say that "you're not his big sis/bro/sib anymore!!" and continue talking to you 10 minutes later like nothing happened
- Kokichi is a jokester, but he will be serious when he has to. He'd give you a big ol hug and start talking about how everything will be okay if he sees you crying
- When he's sad, he's good at hiding it. But you don't have the title of "older sibling" for no reason. I can imagine him also liking a hug and for you to comfort him, the same way he does to you
- You're the one taking care of him. If Kirumi is too busy to make food, he'd order you to make the food for him. Same for things like when he's sick
- He might be very annoying but it's never boring when he's around. You're guarantee to laugh and have fun!!
- Ah yes, two wonderful children and a mother that's the same age as her kids-
Kirumi Tojo/Kokichi Ouma
- The image of you and Ouma sitting on chairs holding a fork in one hand and a knife in the other while Kirumi is placing the food down on the table is so funny to me. MAYBE YOU TWO WEARING BIBS-
- As I said earlier, Kirumi doesn't like to be called a "mother" but oh-boy does everybody call her a mother. People like to tease you and Kokichi for being "mommies children"
- She will put you both above her and will always tolerate you two
- Same for Kokichi. D.I.C.E. is his family, but so are Tojo and you. He has two platonic families!!! Maybe one day they'll fuse, who knows
- The three of you are always together, it's really cute
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- Honestly if you have a "found family" relationship with both Kirumi Tojo and Kokichi Ouma I am very jealous, and also congrats because it's literally amazing and the best family you could ever ask for <33
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“the adventures of babysitting” - jj maybank
-> hvitstark’s gif!
summary: when the cute boy who mows the lawn for the kook family you babysit shows up, weird and unexpected events start to happen.
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Babysitting wasn’t something you planned to do when summer started, but when you saw that lonely dollar that you had in your pocket you decided to change that. And what better way, than to take care of the rich kids when their parents are too focused on their golf sessions?
It didn’t took you long to find a parent like that, since in Outer Banks, 90% of the parents had the stupid necessity to go golfing every day, leaving their poor kids on the house. Well, “poor” is a matter of speech, because if you had a pool the side of your entire house and free WiFi to play any game that ever existed, you wouldn’t complain.
“The food is in the refrigerator. Maybe start making it at 12 pm, she likes to eat early.” Mrs. Johnson was saying while she had her big bag on her shoulders, ready to leave the house. “Lily!” She yelled so loudly that you squint your eyes for the sudden scream. “Oh, and before I forget, in a couple of hours the boy that’s going to cut the grass is going to show up. But you don’t have to do anything, he already knows his way around the front yard.” You nodded with a little smile.
“Great!”
“Lily! Get down here, now!” She yelled so firmly that you could tell the fire on her eyes, making you feel a little bit intimidated by the rich house wife. As soon as she went back to you, a smile appeared on her face again changing her expression completely in a matter of one second, making you feel a little bit scared. “Do you have any more questions for the day?”
“No! I’m fine, we’ll be fine.”
“Y/n!” You heard the little girl calling your name while she was running to welcome you with a hug.
“Lily! Come here you little angel!” You picked her up so she could wrap her arms around your shoulders.
“Lily, behave.” Mrs. Johnson said and Lily nodded.
“Yes, mommy, like always.”
“No cookies until lunch is over, got it?”
Lily nodded again, this time more quicker. “Got it.”
Not trusting her daughter, Mrs. Johnson turned to you. “Got it?”
“Yeah, don’t worry about it.” Mrs. Johnson gave Lily a kiss on the forehead before walking towards the door. “See you later Mrs. Johnson!” You waved until you saw her outside and she was no longer in your sight.
“Do you want to see my barbie?” Lily said once her feet touched the ground.
“Sure!”
“Cool! Let me look for it.” She grabbed your hand to walk you to her room. “I did a makeover that took me the whole week. Because when I got her she was so ugly, the change was necessary.” She was saying like a professional fashion icon. Her sass was one of your favorite things about her. “That’s what my mom says all the time. If you don’t like something, you change it so it fits you.” After a walk that seemed to took forever since the house was bigger than the whole frontyard itself, you arrived at her room. While Lily was looking for her barbie to show you, you went over her room like it was the first time your eyes were seeing it. The wall colors looked like an unicorn had throw up in them and then a fairy had her glitter thrown at it. The main color was pink, her bed, her night stand, her desk, even her TV was the color pink. You never hated that color, but her room was making you feel nauseous. It was all so colourful and an interesting thing to look at, but the thing that always caught your attention was the thousand posters of the movie ‘Frozen’. Elsa, Anna and all of those characters you couldn’t remember the names where in her wall smiling. They were so many of them that you started to feel creeped out by them. “Here she is!” Finally, Lily found her barbie as was already walking towards you with her toy in her hand waving it like she was trying to get something out of her. She handed the barbie to you with the biggest and proudest smile ever, but the moment you grabbed the toy the smile disappeared from your face for a second.
“Oh my-” the normal long hair that Barbies have isn’t longer in this one, it was short and it looked like some punk girl from the 80’s with he hairs all lift up. You didn’t even know if it was punk, she looked like she touched a wire with a fork! She had a short dress that looked like it had been on dirt, washed but then she fell on grass, making it look even more dirty and destroyed. Her skin was painted red and blue with some pink dots all over her body. She definitely didn’t had a good day. You looked at Lily and noticed the proud smile and the excitement on her eyes as you were watching the barbie, so you put your biggest fake smile on your face not wanting to break the poor girl’s heart. “She looks wonderful!”
“I know! I’m good at it!”
You quickly nodded. “Yeah!”
“Maybe I can be a fashion designer when I grow up!” Lily started clapping and grabbed the barbie from your hand while you were nodding non stop not knowing what to say.
Models from the future; I’m so sorry and good luck.
You thanked the Gods for Lily not wanting to show you anymore of her creations, instead she wanted to watch a movie, and as soon as she said that, you already knew what she wanted to see.
“Let it gooooo! Let it goooooo!” You heard Elsa sing while Lily’s eyes were glued to the TV, her body was slowly moving while she was whispering the song. You knew she loved the movie so much she never wanted to outsing Elsa, and deep down, you were grateful for that.
“Yes, please Elsa,” you said in a whisper not wanting Lily to hear you while you were sitting down in the couch behind her “let it fucking go. Stop it.” As soon as you tilted your head backwards annoyed, a sound came from the front yard. “What was that? You asked with your eyes glued to the door, but there was no response from Lily, since her little mind was too focused on the movie. You headed to the window to cheek what it was while all the horror movies and serial killers documentaries went through your mind. With your heart beating a little faster you opened the curtains and wondered with your eyes your surroundings, but nothing was there. You were calming down until you heard your phone rang in your pocket, making you jump from the scare.
“What’s up bitch?” Your best friend, Hannah, said on the phone once you picked up.
“Hi, I’m babysitting.” You said still checking the front yard.
“Oh, got it, you have to watch your tongue.”
“Yeah, but I don’t think this kid is listening to me right now, Elsa has that covered.” You did quick look on Lily, who’s eyes were still glued to the TV.
“Ugh, I hate that movie.”
“I don’t. But the amount of times I watched it here isn’t helping on that.”
“What are you doing right now?”
“Checking if the guy- oh my god.” You stopped as soon as your eyes noticed a boy standing in the front yard. Because he was too far away you could only see clearly his blonde hair and his dark brown boots. He had a white shirt on and some light brown shorts, he was far, but the way he was moving and carrying himself was what attracted you and made your eyes stare at him twice, making sure you were seeing correctly.
“What?”
“The guy that cuts the grass for this family is...” you did a quick turn to Lily to check if she was listening, but she was still too focused on the movie. You turned back to see the boy, but before you could continue your sentence, Hannah spoke before you.
“Hot?”
“Oh, more than that.”
“Who is it?” Hannah said intrigued.
“Can’t see, he’s too far.”
“What is he doing?” You saw how his arms tensed when he grabbed some machine you never saw before. They were so strong that you suddenly got the need to walk towards him touch them, but that would be extremely weird.
“I don’t know, turning the machine I guess.” You tried to focus more on his face and try to figure out if you knew him, but he was too far for your poor sight.
“Go talk to him.”
“What? No!”
“Why not? He’s hot, you’re hot. Perfect match.”
“He is definitely a...” Again, you turned around making sure Lily wasn’t hearing. Even if she wasn’t, you choose your next words carefully. “major babe.”
“Major babe?” Hannah let out a tiny laugh. “What are? 30?”
“The kid is still here!” You whispered loudly.
“What is a major babe?” Fuck.
You turned around to see Lily standing there with her Barbie between her hands. The movie was still playing but it looked like your conversation gained her attention even more.
“What? Oh, nothing.” You shook your head with your phone still against your ear. “Don’t worry about it baby. Keep watching Elsa.”
“I want to know what that means.” Lily said with her firm tone, letting you know she wasn’t going to let it go.
“I think you’re in trouble.” Hannah said on the other side, and you knew she was trying to not laugh at your current situation.
“Bye!” You ended the call before leaving your phone in your pocker to kneeled down and be closer to Lily’s face. “A major babe is someone who is... cute.” You said trying to choose the perfect words. Explaining something like this to a six year old isn’t something that you would ever choose to do.
“Cute?” Lily asked confused.
“Yeah, pretty.”
“Like Elsa?”
“Yeah? Yeah!”
You thought the conversation was over when Lily let out a giant smile and nodded convinced. But then, she opened her mouth: “So you think the guy who cuts the grass is pretty?”
“Well-” You got up trying to take those thoughts out of her mind, but before you could say anything Lily started clapping excited.
“You do! Y/n and JJ sitting in a tree-” She started singing but you stopped hearing once you heard the name ‘JJ’.
“Wait, JJ? The guy’s name is JJ?” You said confused, hoping it wasn’t who you thought it was.
“Yeah! He comes every week since last year!”
“JJ? JJ Maybank?” You were praying Lily was going to shake her head and say it was another JJ, but deep down you knew there wasn’t any other guy with that name.
“Yeah!” Lily said happily, unaware of your thoughts and your not so happy face.
Well, fuck.
“Oh my god.” You said when it finally hit you. “Sweetie, I think Anna is dying.” You said gently turning Lily towards the TV.
“Oh no!” She went back to the movie. You turned to the window and moved the curtain while a sigh came out of your mouth.
JJ Maybank. The guy that was known for being the life of the party, getting into trouble or starting a fight. He would almost every time leave the party with some girl around his arm. You weren’t going to lie, you wished sometimes you were that girl. Having a crush on a boy that doesn’t know you exists isn’t... the best. You met JJ at school when you were a kid and that’s when it all started, when he defended you from some Kook kid that was annoying you at lunch. The crush didn’t grew more, the opposite, it went down passing the years. But that didn’t stop you from looking at him when he showed up at the party you were at or feeling nervous when he was around. You weren’t the type to do so, but there was something about him that made you feel as awkward as you could ever be.
The fact that he was in the same house as you made you feel something inside your stomach, making you move uncomfortably in your sit while Lily was watching, for the second time, Frozen. You don’t have to talk to him, there’s nothing to worry about. You were thinking over and over again trying to calm yourself down. Or maybe this is your opportunity to talk to him. You thought in Hannah’s voice, since she knew about your crush she would often say that you should start a conversation with him, or at least introduce yourself.
You didn’t know if he knew who you were. You only talked once, back when you were kids and you thanked him for defending you. That was it. You remembered it, but you were sure he didn’t.
C’mon, what are you waiting for? Go offer him some water! Hannah’s voice was saying in your head like she was next to you giving you the courage you needed to do so. And somehow, it worked. After making sure Lily was safe while watching the movie, you walked towards the kitchen and poured water on a cup to bring outside.
As soon as your hand touched the door to open it, you felt the heat of the sun touching your skin and you heart beating faster, already knowing your next moves.
You saw him getting ready to cut the grass with the same machine you saw before. His skin and hair were glowing under the sun making your heart beat faster than before and him looking more beautiful than he already was.
“Hey!” You said loudly once you were a couple of steps away from him.
JJ immediately turned to you making your heart drop to your stomach. He furrowed his eyebrows confused while trying to figure out who you were. “Hi? Are you the babysitter?” He pointed at you and you nodded with a smile.
“Yeah. Y/n.”
“JJ.” He let out a tiny smile. Fuuuuuuck.
Silence came between you two while your brain was trying to remember what you came outside. “Oh! I bought you some water, it’s pretty hot out here.” You handed him the cup which he took gratefully.
“Thanks.”
“Yeah, I don’t want you passing out. I don’t want to deal with that.” You said and immediately regretted it, why would you say that? That makes you sound like a terrible babysitter!
But as soon as he let out a genuine laugh, your mind gave you a break.
“Sure. So, since when did you started working with this family?” He said before giving a sip to the water.
“Last week.”
“I haven’t seen you around much. You live in the Cut, right?”
You nodded. “Yeah, I do. My dad owns the store across the beach.”
JJ didn’t respond immediately. He stood there watching your eyes carefully, so much, that your heart started beating faster once again. “Really? He has some good boards, dude.”
“Thanks. He’s really proud of them.”
“Make sure to tell him. Thank you for the water.” He gave you the now empty cup and you shook your head with a little smile.
“Don’t worry about it. If you need anything just tell me.”
JJ let out a tiny laugh. “You take care better of me than Mrs. Johnson.”
You smiled back while on the inside you were freaking out. “It’s no-” you were saying but the water hitting your body cut you off.
“What the fuck?” JJ said as soon as both of you noticed the water feeling like rain against your body. You looked up to see if it was, but the sky was as as clear as you last saw it.
“Where is that water coming from?!”
“It’s the automatic water for the grass!” JJ said looking down and pointing at the tiny machine going off behind you. You turned around and looked at it confused, trying to not get hit in the face by putting your hands in front of your face.
“But it never turns on during the day! Do you know how to turn it off?!” You asked at JJ with the hope that he did, and luckily, he nodded turning around and leading to some part of the front yard you’ve never been before. When you arrived to where he was you noticed he was kneeled down and with a quicker twist of his hand, the water was off. “What the hell was that?” You said turning to where the water was coming from.
“I don’t know.” JJ said and looked down to his body all wet. You turned to him and did the same, but not to your own body, to his. The way his shirt was glued to his torso would mark his abs and let you nothing to the imagination. You immediately looked down once you realize you were staring, you felt so embarrassed like you weren’t supposed to see what you just did. “Maybe this will help with the sun and I won’t pass out.” He said with a smile once he looked up at you and you smiled, thankful he didn’t notice you staring at him and his fit body.
“You’re dripping.” You said. “You have to dry yourself otherwise you won’t be able to work with those heavy clothes. C’mon.” You pointed at the house and started walking, but his voice cut you off.
“I’m not sure I’m aloud to go in.”
“Do you want to get your work done or not? Because I don’t think you’ll be able to.” You did a quick look to the drops of water goind down. “It’s your decision, but I think Mrs. Johnson won’t be happy if she comes back and her grass isn’t done. Do whatever you want.” You said knowing that it was going to convince him to go with you. You did this tactic with Lily sometimes, making it their choice and having the control over the situation. Like you suspected, as soon as you made a couple of steps away from JJ, you heard his feet moving and getting closer to yours. Seconds later, he was already next to you.
“Maybe we should go to the bathroom, I don’t want to make a mess.” You said the moment you stepped inside the house. Lily, who was now sitting down on the couch, looked at you two with an exaggerated surprised face and walked to where you two where.
“Oh! What happened?”
“The water of your front yard went kinda crazy.” You said grabbing your sticky shirt and trying to get it away from your skin.
“Really?” Lily asked and then turned to JJ, who nodded.
“Lily I want you to stay here watching the movie, ok? We need to get dry.” You said leading the way to the bathroom. “Don’t open the door to anyone, did you hear me?”
“Yes!” Lily said while quickly nodding and then leaving to continue watching her movie. “Stupid Hans!” She yelled at the TV.
“She really likes that movie doesn’t she?” JJ said with a smile once he turned around to follow you.
“Yeah,” you nodded. “we watched it three times today.”
“Ouch.” You let out a laugh before entering the bathroom and quickly grabbing the towel and turning around to face JJ.
“Here, have the towe-” You were saying but once your eyes noticed JJ’s naked torso, your tongue went completely numb. “Oh.”
“Is everything ok?” He asked noticing your shook face, but then a little grin escaped his lips while he grabbed the towel from your hand.
“Yeah. Yeah! Everything’s fine.” You said quickly shaking your head a little bit, trying so hard to not let your now red cheeks make you feel embarrassed.
“Aren’t you gonna change?”
“I’ll wait for you to be over and then I’ll do it. Don’t worry about it.”
He nodded and the continued drying his body. “I still don’t know what happened with that.”
“Maybe the clock failed?”
He shrugged his shoulders. “Maybe. Anyway, thank you.” He handed you the towel. “I have to continue with work.”
“Yeah!” You quickly nodded. “You go.” You watched how he turned around letting you have a perfect veiw of his back, which made you feel like when you saw his torso naked without any warning. You looked away once he left the bathroom and slapped your forehead with the palm of your hand, already overthinking everything you just did.
As soon as you were finished you walked towards the living room to check on Lily who was now finishing the movie just one more time. You grabbed your phone from your pocket to see the time and realized it was lunch time, so trying to focus every thought of Lily, you called her so she would follow you into the kitchen. You grabbed everything that was on the refrigerator like Mrs. Johnson has told you while your mind was making the recipe for Lily’s meal. You were trying so hard to keep your mind focus and not thing of the cute guy that was still working on the front yard, a couple of steps away from you.
“Did you really fell for Hans because I didn’t. It was pretty obvious.” Lily said while watching you prepare her lunch.
“You think? I didn’t see it coming.”
“I didn’t like Hans since the beginning.” Lily nodded proudly of herself.
“You didn’t? I thought he was really cute and charming, maybe that what’s wrong with princes.” As soon as you said that, a thought came into your head. You stayed still like everything in your life just made sense and you understood it in that exact moment. “And maybe that’s why I like the boys I like.” You continued, talking more to your lard than to Lily. “They’re charming and sweet, but then they forget about your face even if you’re wearing a tiny mask, or they kiss you without even consenting it.” You were saying while your head was inside the refrigerator, looking for the mayonnaise to complete Lily’s lunch. “Or they even think because they have money we will automatically fall for them!” The moment that you said that you realized that you were babbling all to yourself about boys while Lily was listening to you, so you turned around shaking all your thoughts away. “Anyway-” you were about to change the subject but when you opened the water from the kitchen sink it all exploded and went all over your face and clothes. “WHAT THE HELL?” You yelled putting your hand in front of your face to prevent the water hitting your eyes.
“I’ll call JJ!” Lily said once she noticed the water wasn’t stopping.
“What- no! I got this!” You tried to stop her but it was too late, she was already out of your sight. “What’s the fucking problem with water today?” You asked trying to turn the water off, but no matter what you did with the switch, it wasn’t stopping.
“What happened?!” You heard JJ asking once he arrived next to you.
“I turned it on and it went crazy!” You turned around to see the water all over the floor. JJ kneeled down and opened the doors down the sink and just like before, stopped the water. You let your hands rest beside your body and let out an annoyed sigh at the feeling of sticky and wet clothes against your skin.
“Just like before?” JJ asked getting up to lock eyes with you.
You nodded. “Yeah. I think the thingy is broken.” You pointed at the sink looking at it confused but when you heard JJ let out a tiny laugh, you turned to him. “What?”
“The thingy?”
“Yeah, where the water comes out.”
JJ nodded still with a funny smile on his face. “Do you know how to fix it?”
“Do you?”
“Dad has tools!” Lily yelled, appearing on the conversation for the first time. You turned to her and she had a big smile on her face while her fingers were playing with each other. “Maybe Y/n can show you where they are?”
“Oh, yeah,” you nodded remembering the time you helped Mr. Johnson fix something for Lily. “I think they’re next to the bathroom. C’mon.” You said looking at JJ but then you turned to Lily. “While we repair that finish your lunch.”
She quickly nodded before you left her behind. “Ok!”
Even if you had JJ behind you, you felt his eyes on you as you were walking. Maybe they weren’t on you, but somehow, your mind had convince you they were making you feel uncomfortable under them. You were hearing his steps behind you, they were so close you could feel the air he was pushing with his arms while walking. The hallway was darker as usual since having JJ in your mind you forgot to turn on the light, but you knew the house like the palm of your hand.
“I think this is the room- yes it is!” You said entering the room next to the bathroom. “Tools tools tools...”
“Here.” JJ said behind you while grabbing a big dark brown box.
“Oh, ok. Better get that thing fixed so you can get back to work.” JJ nodded so you walked to the now closed door. You looked at it confused since you didn’t remember closing it. “What? Did you close the door?”
“No I didn’t.” JJ said.
“Then why the hell is it closed?” You asked before grabbing the handle, but it wasn’t opening. “And locked?!” Your heart dropped to your stomach the moment you realized you were locked and Lily was outside alone. “Oh my god, Lily? Can you open the door please? Lily?!”
Your heart started to beat faster but then, luckily, she spoke from the other side. “Are you guys locked?”
“Yeah! Can you open it from the outside?”
“I don’t know!”
“Can you check sweetie?”
“She’s a six year old? What can she do?” JJ asked behind you not faced by the situation at all.
“Well? Do you have any ideas genius? Lily is out there on her own!”
JJ lifted the box of the tools and let out a grin. “We have tools?”
“You can’t use them! Do you want to break the door?!”
“Do you want to get stuck in here until Mrs. Johnson comes back? Because I don’t think she’ll be happy to know that you left the little girl outside all by herself.” You let out a tiny sigh when JJ used the same tactic you used on him moments ago. You hated when they were used against you.
“Lily, are you still there?” You asked turning to face the door.
“Yeah. Are you two fighting in there?” She asked softly.
“No, sweetie, why would you think that?”
“I don’t know...”
“Do you want me to break the door then?” JJ asked lifting his eyebrow.
“Maybe you can do something without breaking it?”
“I’ll try. But I’m not a magician.” He said getting closer to the door to grab the handle. You noticed he put a lot of strength in it, but you didn’t understand what he was doing. “I think I got it, but I need your help.”
“What do you want me to do?” You walked to stand next to him.
“Grab the handle and pull it really hard when I say so.” You did as he told you and then looked at him, waiting for his words. “Ready?” You nodded. “Go!”
You pulled the handle with all your strength just like JJ told you while JJ was pushing the door to open, and before you could think of something else the door opened. You and JJ had so much strength into it, that the sudden movement of the door opening, made you two lose balance. JJ tried to grab your waist and prevent you from falling, but it didn’t work since your body was already half way to the floor, it only managed to turn you around by twisting you from your waist and not fall on your face. Once your back hit the floor, you felt a body algo hitting yours.
You opened your eyes once the pain in your back passed enough for you to move, to see some blue eyes staring at you. JJ’s face was so close to yours that you were feeling his heavy breathing against your skin. You felt like his eyes were casting a spell on you since you felt like you couldn’t move, and not because you had his body on top of yours. Even if would be normal for you to feel crushed under a body, you weren’t feeling his. You were so lost in his eyes that you forgot everything around you, it was just him and his breathing gently hitting your face.
“Guys-” Lily said softly next to you. That made you return to the moment and realize in the position you two were. He quickly got up and walked back nervously, like he didn’t know what just happened either.
“Lily! Are you alright?” You walked towards her and hugged her body.
“Yeah, I’m good.” She broke the hug to look at JJ, who was still standing in the corner nervously. “You two looked like Anna and Kristoff there.”
“What’s that?” You asked quickly, feeling your cheeks getting hot.
“Yeah, when they looked at each other. With so much looooove.” Lily said and then let out a silly laugh. You wanted the floor to eat you and throw you whatever it wanted, as long as it wasn’t there. Silence surrounded the hallway for a couple of seconds while you were trying to think of something to change the subject and pretend that what just happened, didn’t. But JJ spoke before you.
“Maybe I should get back to work.” He said and you nodded.
“Maybe you should.” The second you said that, he quickly walked passed your body to leave you and Lily behind. You watched his back and noticed he was looking down, maybe you weren’t the only one who got embarrassed. But what did happen?
The moment that you two locked eyes with each other you felt like there was nothing else around you, like you were melting under his eyes. You never felt something like that, and you never wanted to do it again. So lost in your thoughts that you didn’t realize Lily has taken you to the living room to play with some of her new toys. You were hearing her voice talk but non of her words were entering your body. You tried to keep your eyes on the toys but the second that you looked up, your eyes met with his. He quickly looked down and walked away, leaving your sight from the window. You sighed, disappointed.
It wasn’t that you wanted to stare at him... well, maybe it was. But you didn’t want to distract yourself from your work and taking care of Lily, the girl that had to be your number one throught until you left the house. So erasing your unwanted thoughts, you focused your mind into Lily’s game, who seemed to be super invested in.
“Barbie and Ken are going to get married tomorrow, I already planned everything.” Lily was saying the second your mind started to pick up her words. “I’m so excited!”
“I’m pretty sure Barbie and Ken are as well!” You said with a smile, playing along with her.
After a couple of minutes playing with Lily you were glad JJ wasn’t consuming your brain, playing with Lily did helped you get your thoughts straight and focus on what was important. It all seemed to be going back to normal, you weren’t thinking of what happened earlier, Lily and her funny game with her Barbies were definitely making you laugh, and the clock was getting closer to the end of the day, so you were definitely going back to your normal self, until you heard some steps getting inside the house.
“Hey, can I have another glass of water?” JJ asked standing next to the door. You looked up and him and slowly nodded, not opening your mouth. Without giving the opportunity to anything else to happen, you got up from where you were and walked to the kitchen. You heard the door closing and you sighed, glad that JJ didn’t followed you to the kitchen. You didn’t want to talk to him, you knew you were going to be your awkward self and probably embarrass yourself like you usually do, so better to avoid him and forget he even excited... if that’s even possible. You looked at the glass of water that you had now on your hand and stared at it for a couple of seconds. You didn’t want to go out and give it to him, so a better idea came into your head.
“Hey, sweetie,” you called Lily and seconds later she was in front of you with an innocent smile on her face. “can you take this to JJ?” She nodded and grabbed the glass of water before leaving the kitchen behind.
While waiting for her to come back, you closed your eyes when the last time you had JJ in front of you came back to your mind. Well, on top of you is the better choice for words. Your heart dropped to your stomach and the memory slowly came back to your eyes and the feeling of his breathing against your face. Not wanting to have that on your mind, you slapped yourself on the forehead with the palm of your hand. But that didn’t work at all, and what you saw when you opened your eyes didn’t help either.
“Hi.” He said while standing next to the kitchen entrance.
“Hi.” You said, surprised he was inside the house.
“My water?” He asked looking to your hand and noticing they weren’t holding anything.
You furrowed your eyebrows confused, trying to not think you telling Lily about JJ’s water was all your mind playing tricks on you. “I just sent Lily with a glass of water for you.”
“She said that you had it here.”
“What? Lily?” You called her but there was no response. “Lily!” You walked to the living room but she wasn’t there. Feeling your heart beating faster you walked outside hoping she was there. Once your eyes went over the entire front yard while your heart was slowly beating faster passing the seconds, your eyes finally landed on Lily, but that didn’t calmed you down, since she was standing right next to the pool. “What are you doing?”
“I want to take a swim!” She yelled once you started to walk towards her, followed by JJ.
“You don’t know how to swim! Your mom doesn’t let you in if she’s not here! Come back!”
“But I want to swim!”
“Lily you can’t! I’m pretty sure you will when your mom comes home.” You said but Lily didn’t respond you, instead she turned towards the pool. “Lily?” The moment she lifted her foot your heart dropped to your stomach. Your eyes followed her body falling inside the pool once she jumped and threw some water drops into the air, you saw it all like it happened in slow motion. “Lily!” You yelled like you never did before. You started running towards her ready to jump and grab her, but JJ being faster than you, with quick moves took off his boots and jumped into the pool.
Once inside, the water was making it difficult for you to fully see their movements. That was making your hands sweat and your heart to beat faster, it felt like it was going to jump out of your body. But then, you saw JJ’s head above the water, followed by Lily’s.
“WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?” You yelled once JJ left Lily’s body outside the pool. “Oh my god, you almost gave me a heart attack!” You patted her back while she was getting all the water outside from her body. You felt your heart getting heavy and slowing its speed while your breathing was letting out relief breaths.
“I’m sorry.” Lily said, once she stopped cuffing.
“Why- why would you do that Lily? You know you can’t swim!”
Lily looked up and JJ, who was breathing heavily with his body covered in water and his clothes sticking to his skin, but then she went back to looking at the floor. “I wanted- I wanted to be Anna.”
“What?” You asked confused.
“And I wanted JJ to be Kristoff.” As soon as she said those words you locked eyes with JJ, who seemed to understand the same thing as you on the same moment. Lily wanted to have a love like the characters of her favorite movie.
“Oh... Sweetie,” you kneeled down to be closer to her face. “And you thought that jumping into the pool when you can’t swim was going to make JJ your Kristoff because you wanted him to save you?”
She slowly nodded. “Yeah. And I- I also turned on the water earlier.”
“What?” You and JJ asked at the same time.
“The water for the grass- I did it.”
“Why?” JJ asked once you got up.
“And I broke the water tap. And I locked you two in the closet.” You opened your mouth surprised before looking at JJ, who was just as surprised as you.
“How?” He asked.
“Why would you do that?”
Lily shrugged her shoulders and that made JJ let out a tiny laugh while shaking his head.
“At least we know the house isn’t haunted.” He said, turning the conversation into something funny.
“You little devil.” You said, after letting the funny in the situation hit you.
“Are you gonna tell my mom?” Lily asked softly once she locked eyes with you.
“Lily, do you promise you won’t do it again?”
She quickly nodded with a smile. “I do.”
“Then this will be out little secret.”
“Thank you Y/n!” For the first time during those long hours, you felt like there was nothing else that could go wrong. You didn’t felt uncomfortable under JJ’s eyes, Lily was completely fine and JJ didn’t seem to bother that a little girl almost drowned for him... it all felt just alright. “And you calling JJ a major babe will be our little secret too!” Lily yelled and quickly added, noticing your cheeks go red and JJ letting out a grin once he locked eyes with you. “Oh, sorry.” Lily said softly.
“Shit.”
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Gwynriel Headcanon : Shopping takes an "unexpected" turn
I have wanted to write this one SINCE SOOO LONG. Hope you like it!
"Hayley you have to decide your prom dress soon, it's this week!" Gwyn told her daughter as she was shopping. "I knowww mom, ", "This one looks nice." Gwyn said while holding a blue dress against her body.
"Ehh I don't think it'll suit her body." Said her Nephew Nyx. Gwyn raised an eyebrow at him playfullly and then Nyx blushed. You seem to know a lot about her body, Gwyn said in her mind. And by the way Nyx blushed, she knew he'd heard her.
And then Nesta groaned, "Can we please goo, I'm so fucking tired, " And Cassian acted like he was hurt, "Oh.my.god. Nesta Archeron is tired of shopping? I'd never thought I'd live to see that way."
And Nesta swatted his hand and rolled her eyes. Gwyn just chuckled at their playfullness and said, "Alright kiddos, we'll go, " And her son groaned and muttered beautiful curses under his breath. Gwyn pointed at him playfully, "Hey! Watch that mouth Klaus." And Klaus just rolled his eyes and said, "I'm 19 mom, I don't need to be told to watch that mouth. I'm not a boy anymore. I'm a man. "
Gwyn literally glared at him before saying, "Oh really? Then act like one. Just look at your cousin Nyx. He at least curses in private and not in front of his parents." And Klaus chuckled at that. Nyx just became even redder.
"Alright let's goooooo" Nesta said and went out the door and took flight. Oh yes, the Valkyries had wings, real wings. They were light coloured and off white. Like the wings of angels. Even Gwyn had them.
And well all of them had wings. Klaus had his father's illyrian wings, and Hayley had her mother's valkyrian wings.
They walked out of the shop after 5 hours of shopping. With literally nothing in hand. "Wow, we really do know how to waste time." Cassian said while chuckling as he took flight. Gwyn could see Nesta followed him, and that they weren't going home any soon. It looked like some action is gonna take place in the sky this evening.
Nyx sighed and said while looking up, "They're gonna do it aren't they?", and Hayley shivered and said, "Ew Nyx, don't stare up, don't wanna find our aunt and uncle doing this. Mom can we please take the stairs? I would rather walk 10000 steps of stairs rather than accidentally see them."
Gwyn chuckled and said, "Hayleyy, it's okay. They're not doing anything now-" Gwyn then looked up mid sentence and saw them doing it and then suddenly looked down, "You know I think we should take the stairs too, let's go yeah let's go" Gwyn said and wrapped her arms around her twins, with Nyx walking on her side.
They walked till the house in silence until Gwyn said, "Alright I'm not walking ten thousand steps, Klaus, can you use your shadows to hide us. We'll fly to the house and MAKE SURE to not look upward AT. ANY. COST. Alright?"
Klaus just shrugged and said Alright. His shadows wrapped around them. In winters, even at 7pm it looked like it was 1am. But alas, his shadows wrapped around them and they were hidden from the world. They all took flight and all landed on the balcony.
Gwyn just chuckled when she saw Klaus stumble while he landed, "You need to work on that landing boy." She said but then saw he was frozen. And then she then looked at Hayley and Nyx.
Everyone had frozen now. Silent tears were coming from Hayley's eyes. And Klaus was just frozen. Gwyn knew this affected him much as it did to Hayley, he was just too proud to show it. Nyx was looking at Gwyn, and he was in her mind.
It was his silent gesture of showing that he was there for Gwyn. But Gwyn didn't understand what was happening, until she followed Hayley's gaze.
Gwyn's smile disappeared in an instant when she saw her mate kissing Elain.
Suddenly Cassian and Nesta landed on the balcony, Azriel broke their kiss, and Klaus' shadows faltered.
And then Gwyn met her- not hers, she reminded herself. She met Azriel's gaze. Gwyn didn't realize tears were coming from her eyes until Nesta came up to her worriedly and asked what was happening.
Azriel just stood there, not able to say anything when he saw Gwyn, and their kids. When Nesta followed Gwyn's sad gaze, she saw Azriel and Elain standing together. And it immediately clicked, Nesta started to walk towards Azriel, furious but Gwyn stopped her.
Nesta was about to argue but she saw Gwyn shake her head, and Nesta's heart broke at seeing that. Gwyn took a shuddering breath, and said, "Kiddos" And her voice broke. She then closed her eyes, trying to register what was happening, hoping that this was just a bad dream.
But when she opened her eyes, it- it wasn't. It was just endless sadness. Gwyn tried to calm her racing heart, but she couldn't. She then tried to regain some composure, and cleared her throat and said, "Kiddos, I think you should go to your room." And Klaus started to speak something but Gwyn cut him off with a command, "Now".
Klaus obeyed as he understood the intensity of the situation. He then picked up his sister who was sitting on the floor crying silently, and took her to his room. "Aunti Gwyn I-" Gwyn cut him off with a pleading look. Please. She said in her mind and then he froze for a second, before going to his room.
Nesta was about to speak when Gwyn cut her off, "Please take care of the kids until then" And Nesta was about to say something, but Cassian took her out of the room, and into the kids' room. He gave her an apologetic look before doing so.
And now it was just them. Gwyn wasn't able to meet his eyes, her heart was too broken, and she- she couldn't look at her. So she did the only sane thing she knew, she took flight out of the house.
She knew Azriel followed her, "GWYN" He shouted once, "GWYN" He shouted again but he was too slow, for Gwyn was already in the townhouse.
She met Feyre in the way but she slightly shoved her to go to Rhysand's study, only to find it empty. Then Gwyn came back to Feyre, only to find that Azriel was already talking to her. "RHYS" Gwyn shouted, "RHYS" she shouted again. She then went to Feyre, right beside Azriel.
Azriel then turned towards her at the same moment Feyre said, "Gwyn are you okay?" Worry shown in her eyes but Gwyn- Gwyn couldn't deal with this right now. "Gwyn I can explain-", "Do you have the divorce papers? The one that people sign when the want a divorce?" And at the same moment Rhysand came down the stairs.
As soon as he saw Gwyn's sad face he asked her, "Gwyn are you okay?" Gwyn again ignored the question and tried to ask him with a cold face but failed miserably, "Do you have divorce papers?"
And Rhysand nodded, "Can you give them to me?" And Azriel suddenly said in a deathly voice, "You are not giving her divorce papers. Gwyn I can explain-", "Please" Gwyn said, letting her broken self be seen in that one word. And then Rhysand understood and went straight to the study.
Gwyn, Azriel and Feyre followed him. While Rhysand looked for the papers. He had looked into Gwyn's mind. He knew how wrong it was but he needed to be sure, and after seeing what she had seen, he was sure.
"Gwyn I can explain-" And this time, Gwyn snapped. "What the hell is there to explain Az? You kissed her and our kids saw that. Do you even know how much it hurt them to see their father like that? Do you know how much it hurt me-", "Gwyn I was just confirming-"
"Confirming WHAT Azriel. We've been together since 25 years. Married together since 23 years and have had kids in the last 19 years. And if you really needed confirmation, you should have done that before doing all of that with me."
And this time, Azriel had no words, he simply looked down. And then Gwyn laughed bitterly with tears in her eyes, "I guess 25 years for a fae don't really matter now do they? It's just one percent of their life and-", and even Azriel shed one tear. Gwyn felt guilty about saying those words but- "Don't say that Gwyn. Don't.say.that." And then Gwyn said, while looking him straight in the eye, "But it's the truth Azriel. And like you said, ugly truths are better than pretty lies. "
And then Rhysand found the papers and slammed them on the desk. Gwyn signed them as soon as possible, her tears making the page wet. This was it. She was ending their life together. Their 25 years. Their 25 years. But it's fine, it's fine.
"Gwyn what about our kids?" Azriel asked, with a broken voice, and Gwyn didn't look up. She swallowed that huge gulp in her throat, and said, "I guess you should have thought about them before kissing Elain." And signed the last page.
She then shoved the papers in Azriel's chest, "Sign the papers Shadowsinger. It's just like another deal. " Gwyn said with sarcasm dripping from her voice, she tried to smile, she really did. But she couldn't. "I'm not signing the papers Gwyn.", "Yes you are. ", "I.am.not." Azriel said, with some sense of finallism in his voice.
And then Gwyn said with a defeated voice, "Please sign the papers. Please.", "What about our family-", "Our family is still gonna be there Az. I am not taking our kids anywhere. You'll always be there father and they'll stay right there. Don't think for a second that I'll let my kids live without a proper father like you had to.
You may be the shittiest person I know Azriel but are a great father. Sign the papers Azriel, we aren't meant for each other anymore. I'll even leave the night court just please sign the papers."
Gwyn said and looked up to him with bloodshot eyes and begged him with those eyes. And then Azriel squared up and said, "I'm sorry Gwyn- I- I can't sign the papers, I- can't let you go." And that was the moment, when Gwyn lost all hope in him.
She then left the townhouse without saying a word, and this time, Azriel didn't follow her. She was now standing outside of her kids' room, she kept taking long breaths. She cleaned her eyes with the back of her hand but whenever she's tried to open the door, she moved back.
But then Nesta suddenly opened the door from inside and as soon as she saw Gwyn, she caught her in a bone crushing hug. "I'm sorry." She whispered in her neck.
Gwyn then moved back to look at Nesta's face and smiled sadly, "It's not your fault Nes. It's okay." And Nesta hugged her again.
And then Cassian came out of the room, even he looked guilty, as if he was the one who had done the deed. Cassian then looked at Gwyn apologetically and Gwyn just rolled her eyes and waved it off. Cassian was stupid, but not stupid enough to miss the pain in her eyes.
"I need to talk to the kids Nes." Gwyn reminded Nesta and Nesta moved away, she then looked at Gwyn, apologetically and pitying her. And Cassian and Nesta left.
Gwyn then took a long breath and went inside the room, only to find Hayley still crying, and Nyx and Klaus comforting her. Gwyn then closed the door and went towards them, she sat on her knees and took Hayley's hands in hers. But Hayley didn't wait a second to hug Gwyn. She kept crying in her neck, Gwyn closed her eyes, don't let the tears come, don't let the tears come.
And then opened them and massaged Hayley's hair slightly. "shhh, it's gonna be okay love, it's gonna be okay. " She kept repeating as long as it would take to stop her daughter from crying.
It didn't work and Hayley moved away. Gwyn's heart broke when she looked at their sad faces. She then got up and sat on the other bed, with her hands still holding Hayley's. "Hey, look at me." She whispered and Hayley didn't, "Hayley, look at me." And then Hayley did.
And the sight of that broke Gwyn's heart even more. She wiped her tears with her hand and said, "it's gonna be okay love, it's gonna be okay. " And kissed her hand. Klaus then said, "Don't worry, we'll take revenge Hayley." And Gwyn rolled her eyes and said, "no revenge needs to be taken Klaus, you can calm down."
"Mom but-", "No buts, Azriel may be a shitty husband but he's not a shitty father. And you will not treat him like one either. He's always been there for all of you, even you Nyx. So any plans you've made for killing him have to be cancelled. Come on, hand them over Nyxie" Gwyn said, trying to lighten up the mood.
But then Nyx actually gave her a piece of paper guiltily and Gwyn chuckled and asked, "You actually made a plan to kill him? Wow" And then Hayley sobbed and asked, "Mum are you divorcing him?"
And then Gwyn looked down guiltily before shrugging and saying, "It's what parents do when things won't work out.", "What about our family?" Hayley asked. Gwyn scoffed and said, "Hayley, we'll still be a family. We'll always be a family. I would always be your mother and he'll always be your father. Nothing can change that. The only change is that I'm retiring him from the job of being my husband. But he'll still be your father. "
Gwyn said, and then continued, "I- I just may leave for a while, until things become a bit, controlled." And then Nyx said with anger laced in his voice, "Why do you have to leave? Why can't he? And why can't we come with you?".
And then Gwyn said, "Number one, because I need to get away. Number two, someone needs to take care of you kiddos, and number three I am not mentally or financially stable to support you right now. I always want you to live your best life and the only way to do that is by living in Velaris. And besides, you have your prom coming up, be a little excited!"
She tried to lighten up the mood but it didn't work, she sighed and said, "Wow you guys really are downers. But you can't be like that you know. Life has its own ups and downs. Sometimes its great and sometimes its shitty."
Klaus just scoffed at which Gwyn glared at him and then decided to take him out of the room. They entered the room's balcony and immediately Gwyn said, "Listen mister, you gotta stop being a downer for at least your sister. And Klaus you do not need to feel bad for me. I am a 50 year old adult and I can handle myself. Also, I caught you checking out that guy in the mall today, what was that about? "
And as soon as Gwyn said that, klaus reddened. But then he huffed and said, "How long have you known?" Gwyn just pretended to file her nails and said, "some 5 or 6 years, when I caught you doing my makeup in the bathroom. And then you saw how hideous you looked and immediately decided you wanted to be a masculine gay."
And then he tried to hide his smile while saying, "stalker" Gwyn acted like she was hurt but then said, "Am not! Now come on, your sister needs you. Go watch a movie with her and I'll think about giving you that guy's number."
"You have his NUMBER?!?", Gwyn winked and said, "I have my sources" And then took him inside. "Hayley, come on let's watch a movie and stop crying." Gwyn said and then pouted, "Pweaasee Hayley" Hayley cleaned her tears and said, "Alrighttt mum"
..............
(After watching a movie and saying goodnight to her kids)
In the balcony, with Nyx while stargazing :
Nyx scoffed and said, "Why did you forgive him Gwyn?" And Gwyn waited for a long time before answering, "Because I love him. And love makes people do fickle things. And also, who the fuck gave you permission to call me Gwyn?" And then took a long sip of her cheap beer.
"That is not the point. And also, I was trying it out but it didn't stick. But-", "No buts Nyx, when you're in love, you'll understand." And Nyx was about to say something but he shut his mouth.
And Gwyn understood. "Ohhhh but you've already been in love haven't you? 2 years with Hayley?" And the way Nyx reddened at that statement, made Gwyn chuckle even more with hiccups.
"That's right Nyxie, I know alll about your little thingies. I know all about yoour secret relationship-", "Please don't tell anyone-", "I know I know I would never.", "It's just that-", "Oh i know that you both enjoy the secrecy and having each other to yourself. By the way have yoou told her that she's your mate? I mean you should cause you already know her and-"
"YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT TOO??? MY GOD, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE SPYMASTER OF THIS DAMN COURT" Gwyn chuckled and said, "Language Nyxie, wouldn't wanna disappoint dad."
And Nyx just scoffed at that. After a few minutes, Gwyn got up and said, "Go home Nyxie, it's like 10pm now." But before leaving she didn't forget to pat him on the back and saying, "Don't drink little guy" And took a huge sip of the beer, finishing it. Nyx just chuckled at that.
Gwyn then went to her room. Not hers anymore, she realized. Gods, she was really drunk and all she wanted to do was break down and cry, but not today, she said, not today. And then she decided on doing a crazy ass thing. She decided to wear her ex husband's t-shirt and sleep. While she was changing in the bathroom, she noticed this weird tattoo forming on her hand.
It was full of flowers. Full of thorns, and roses. Gwyn thought she should get it checked out by Rhys, and so she did.
She then went to the townhouse, apologized Feyre for her behavior earlier and then asked to see Rhysand, to which Feyre told her that he was in his study. Gwyn went to his study, only to see that his face was dead serious, and that he was examining a box carefully.
"Sorry to interrupt Rhys but I suddenly got this tattoo and- OH MY GOD IS THAT TAMLIN'S HEAD!"
And Rhys nodded, she then went to look at his face. It was in its half beast form, but then Rhysand's eyes didn't move from her tattoo. And then Gwyn covered it up with her hand and said, "Sorry I didn't mean to interrupt, you already have better things to do." Gwyn was about to leave but then Rhysand said,
"It's the same tattoo I saw when Tamlin became the high lord in front of me-", "Ohkay?-" Gwyn was officially confused as to why Rhysand was telling this to her right now, but all her confusions were cleared when he said,
"You're the High Lady of the Spring Court."
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More timeline stuff!
- I forgot to put this in the last one, but imma say that Dream was captured by the Schlatts at age 6, in 2005.
- In 2010, Wilbur becomes a superhero at age 14, bc that’s Danny Phantom’s age.
- Also in 2010, Quackity, who was 10 at the time, gets kidnapped by the Schlatts. This can be changed around a bit if necessary/if I forgot something.
- In 2011, Dream, who was 12 at the time, escaped the Schlatts and went to live w/ George’s family. George would’ve been 15.
- The govt hero program tries to recruit Sam when he’s 17, in 2013. He becomes a solo hero instead.
- In 2014, Techno becomes a hero at age 15.
- In 2015, Antfrost becomes a hero at age 16.
- In 2016, Velvet escapes at the age of 16 and meets Sapnap, who is about 19 in demon years (he’s 20 in demon years at the start of canon).
- Also in 2016, Techno (age 17) makes what he still regards to be the greatest mistake of his career, accidentally killing Jack Manifold (age 14) in an explosion.
- The govt hero program’s pr ppl spin this to their advantage by saying that government regulated heroes are safer. This is demonstrably not the case. They had to manipulate a lot of data and charts to make this claim look remotely reasonable.
- Techno ends up founding the Syndicate initially as a way to hold himself more accountable by having other people he trusts to do the right thing nearby. Kind of like in fullmetal alchemist brotherhood, how Mustang made Riza promise to kill him if he ever goes to far.
- Okay now back to the other side of the story. Niki and Jack were actually childhood friends, long before either of them became villains.
- Also before either of them became villains, they found a couple of old arm bracers (y’know, like Wonder Woman’s arm things that she uses to deflect bullets) in Niki’s basement. One was blue and the other was red.
- Jack got the red one and Niki got the blue one, granting them fire and water powers respectively.
- Honestly they mostly just used them to mess around. They got into some trouble, but the worst crimes they did were like… vandalism, minor property destruction, and shoplifting.
- When Jack died, Niki was 15. She became a villain nearly immediately after. She had been hoping to attract Techno’s attention so she could fight him herself. Luckily, considering the fact that he had several more years of formal training and experience that she lacked, this didn’t end up happening.
- She inherited the red bracer when he died, but refused to use it.
- Niki also dyed her hair pink around this time.
- The Schlatts saw Jack and Niki doing magic stuff w/ their powers and stole Jack’s corpse for experimentation purposes.
- In the winter of 2016, Jack Manifold was resurrected by the Schlatts. (Well, actually, it might be just Schlatt singular by this point, but I haven’t actually nailed down the Schlatts’ timeline yet, so…)
- Schlatt and Co. can’t figure out how to recreate the resurrection process without Jack, so they keep trying to capture him. This carries on through the era of the show.
- In early 2017, Niki finds out about this and rescues Jack and gives him back the red bracer, and they become a Villainous Duo together.
- Also in 2017, Ponk, being an absolute fucking prodigy I guess, graduates medical school and becomes a doctor at age 17. I feel like there’s a lot more to be said about this and what it says about Ponk as a character, but that’s probably best saved for another time.
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Ok so, these are all fucking genius as always /gen I especially love Niki and Jack's story <333
And damnnnn so this is a TEEN Titans au XD
Regarding Quackity, age 10 is fine as long as the whole "Q and Schlatt were actually friends and had mutual feelings for a bit" stays >< Also, PRODIGY PONK LETS GOOOOOO!!
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Longstar AU Three to Tango part 1
Howdy y’all, I’m back at again with the AU - I can’t promise one a day lore dumps after this, because I only have up until the Battle against the Dark Forest - and then it’s just little details and disconnected thoughts at the moment, but I’ll give what I’ve got until it’s complete. And thanks for the likes and follows - it’s really flattering for someone not in my direct friends/family to like my stuff. Anyhoo enough feelings lets goooooo!
Biggest difference, Skyclan. Wasn’t reformed just yet, but I’ll get to that shortly. Longstar’s sight is beginning to fail him, but he can still see the colors of his grandkit’s pelts. Another difference, because of the cross-clan-relationship-agreement, the Three are well aware of their parentage - he visits at least twice a moon, and was there to see them apprenticed off. They’re well loved, have plenty of support from families in both clans, especially their aunt Foxflight and Uncle Shrewleg. Those two have been trying for kits, but Shrewleg’s injury may have left him unable to father any kits - but they don’t mind it too much. Maybe someday. And Whitestorm, beloved Deputy, has stepped down. His age is starting to catch up, and he’s happy to help out, but he knows leadership just isn’t in his future. He suggests Brightheart, who happily accepts as Cloudtail and Whitewing cheer ecstatically! Pretty sure the Tribe heard that!
Lionpaw apprentices to Darkmoon, with Fireheart acting as support mentor if needed. Jaypaw gets two mentors, Brightheart for his regular training, and Snowthorn for working with his senses - Brightheart translates Snowthorn’s sign language when his words just don’t work as well. Eventually Longstar joins the sessions when his vision dims. And Hollypaw isn’t as much a stickler for the Code, understanding that rules can change, and she stands as evidence of that. She’s aiming for Deputy, hopefully Leader, but is content to support her clan how she can. Canon continues until...
At the Gathering, Jay hears Mousepaw flirting with Minnowpaw, and wonders if there’s going to be another cross-clan couple. But as he’s telling Hollypaw, there’s a commotion at the back of the crowd. A pair of mollies appear - it’s the long thought dead Sandstorm! And some kittypet but Sandstorm yaaaay! Foxflight nearly knocks her over in excitement, and Longstar greets his missing clanmate. Coldlight actually shows an emotion! The Gathering disperses, and Greystripe offers to escort the kittypet, oh your name’s Millie? An honor madame I am -enchanted- to meet you. It’s apparent immediately that they’re making heart eyes at each other but it’s cute! Millie and Daisy have a giggle about how cute and chivalrous he is.
When Sandstorm settles back in, she grabs Longstar, Fireheart, Flamewish, Darkmoon, Foxflight, and Swiftpool and tells them her adventure. She was adopted by a twoleg who owned Millie, and the two escaped fairly quickly. She met an elderly tom named Skywatcher, and founded Skyclan again, leaving Leafstar in charge, and receiving a prophecy about Three of Flame and Fire’s kin. It’s agreed to keep it quiet until they’re all sure about who it’s about. Could be Swiftpool, Foxflight, and Whitewing? Cloudtail no probably not him. After the conversation, Canon continues until...
The competition! Lionpaw’s back at camp, and Jaypaw’s having a rest, Lionpaw has a vision of Hollypaw and another dark-pelted cat falling, and feels choked by dust and dirt, and Jaypaw sees the vision as a dream. The two call for aid, and Hollypaw and Breezepaw are rescued from the old fox den. Jaypaw is suspicious, but maybe it’s a triplet thing? He and his sibs have always been super close. Hollypaw and Breezepaw begin a very odd friendship, as Crowfeather is his father, but only as a surrogate for Nightcloud - those two are just good friends, but Breezepaw wants a close relationship. The unlikely half-sibs decide to meet up every few nights, in secret, as insisted by Breezepaw. He doesn’t want his mom to know he’s being -social-. Canon continues until...
Late after one meeting, Hollypaw, who told her parents about the meetings because she’s not a fool, wanders through a part of the forest that looks unfamiliar. She hops over a root, and two large brown tabby toms are waiting for her - Tigerstar and Brambleclaw! They try to woo her into training with them, promising to make her a great warrior. She blinks, and then laughs right in their faces, like absolutely loses it. Why would she want to train with two cats who lost? Like really badly lost? Ohohoho how funny! She leaves, chuckling, and the next thing she knows, she’s in her mossy bed, in the apprentice den. What a weird dream! Meanwhile Tigerstar and Brambleclaw are seething, but vow to try again at a later night.
And that’s it for tonight! Tune in next time for Riverclan gets invaded by toddlers. the Tunnels is the worst waterpark ever, and the Tribe asks for Storm and Brook back. Thanks for reading!
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I’m doing it, because I have no self control I’m doing it.
Here we goooooo this is what I’m going to name the Recurring AU.
So some basic info to put out on the table:
- Ozpin is still immortal, still reincarnates, etc.
- Qrow, in a certain way, is also immortal. But it’s a bit interesting so bear with me.
- Qrow owns a sword, The Decaying Future. In order to use magic with it however, he has to use his own life force to do so. Decaying future has a direct connection to Qrow and his soul.
- Qrow’s soul, goes from person to person, much like Ozpin’s soul does. But where as Ozpin looks different each time he reincarnates, Qrow looks near identical to what he originally looked like and also, even more apparent, doesn’t remember anything from his previous lives.
- Qrow, each time, is still just as he was before he died the previous time and he always seems to show up when Oz needs help. But doesn’t have his memories, and can never quite place when he got Decaying Future or where he got his countless scars.
- so in a way, he’s still mortal, at least he thinks he is. And acts as a sort of protector of Oz, in one way or another. That being a good friend, royal guard, coworker, or spouse.
- The Decaying Future acts as an opposite to The Long Memory. Where as Long Memory stores magic to use for later, Decaying Future takes magic to use immediately. This is how Qrow has died in the past and why he can’t just use magic now, because Decaying Memory constantly takes Qrow’s magic (and life force) whenever it uses magic.
Now let’s get into the fun stuff!
- Oz doesn’t realize that Qrow is the same person he knew in the past for a few of Qrow’s reincarnates. Thinking he’s hallucinating, Oz ignores it.
- When Oz finds out about Qrow reincarnating he’s understandably overjoyed, finally! A familiar face. And the face of his former spouse nonetheless!
- this excitement would soon fade when Oz comes to the sad and horrifying realization that Qrow, does not remember him at all.
- this of course makes things difficult, because Oz desperately wants to catch up with him like old times. Desperately wants to talk to him about things that have happened but knows he can’t because of Qrow not remembering him.
- and it becomes even more painful for Oz when Qrow does what he had previously done, protect Oz. At any cost.
- No matter where he was, no matter what time period, no matter if Oz tried to make SURE that Qrow would come nowhere near him, he was there. Constantly. Protecting him, bonding with him, laughing with him.
- and Oz couldn’t help but keep falling for him, every. Single. Time. Which made it hurt even more when Qrow did do everything in his power to protect Oz, at any cost.
- it was a curse to Oz. To have to see the man he loved not remember him, to have to bond with him all over again, to have to see him get killed over and over and over and over again just because he wanted to protect him.
- but he kept going with it. Because it would be inevitable, their first meeting. Oz had tried, tried to do everything in his power to make sure Qrow wouldn’t find him or come near him, and yet always he found a way. So he tried to make the best of it.
- cherished every moment with Qrow, made every single moment up until his inevitable death worth it in the end.
- Qrow always has this feeling of deja vu when he sees certain photos from completely different times, like he was there almost, but he can’t quite place it.
- Qrow struggles with remembering things already of remembering things wrong, so he never truly quite thought about it.
- He did find it strange that Oz seemed to recognize him though. He had never met Oz before so how could he know?
- Oz is, well, a strange but interesting man. One who Qrow finds it quite enjoyable to be around, never a dull moment.
- Decaying Future, ah his ever so cherished sword. It wasn’t like the other swords you’d see other hunters wielding, it didn’t have any sort of fancy transformation. But Qrow was ok with that, ok with simplicity.
- it’s funny, he feels like he’s had it for lifetimes. But unfortunately due to his bad memory, even if you asked him where he got it from, he could never tell you. Sucks to have a bad memory I guess.
- he knows he got it from somewhere, somewhere familiar, and he knows he named it, but it’s too foggy for him to actually tell you.
- He gets a similar feeling with Oz, that feeling of vague familiarity. But he tends to brush it aside.
- even though Oz may be considered crazy, strange, or even scary to some people, he wasn’t anything like that to Qrow. He was nice, caring, and a pretty funny guy!
- Qrow would do anything to protect that kindness from whoever may hurt Oz. Like his life depended on it. He always was outcasted from his family, his tribe, his fellow classmates, even strangers. There was no way he’d let the one person who actually cares, die, because of his incompetency.
- and so he did, signing up and being accepted to be Oz’s personal protective hunter (fancy way of saying guard in Qrow’s eyes). It wasn’t hard to find that position, Oz was a highly respected council member, he needed to be protected anyway.
(We going lighthearted in this bc I need to stop being angsty for 2 seconds djfndndnnd)
- these two, no matter what lifetime, are the ultimate power couple
- sass(tm) from both of them
- any cuddles from my other headcanons but like 10x because Oz doesn’t wanna let go of his bird husband ever
- Qrow has to bribe or pry Oz off of him. It doesn’t always work.
- Qrow likes to call Oz a nerd when in reality he’s a huge hypocrite cuz there’s only so much you learn in history and he seems to know a lot more than that.
- Oz will say random things in a loving tone to Qrow, literally he mentioned something about bread in Mistralian and made Qrow laugh incredibly hard.
- Oz was embarrassed the rest of the day because he didn’t know that Qrow could speak Mistralian. He has made a few other comments in a dead language that he is very glad Qrow does NOT understand because there’s no way he could say that to Qrow in a language he understands without getting flustered (take that for what you will. It’s up to interpretation, personally I think its really sappy stuff but hey, imagine whatever)
- bookworms, they read to eachother
- both will give each other their weapon to fight with, even sometimes trading.
- during a small war that Oz was involved with in a previous life, Qrow gave him Decaying Future as a means to defend himself in the war.
- they normally have their weapons near one another.
- they both are normally near one another. You can’t find one without the other.
- both mischief makers, quiet, but still mischief makers.
#cloqwork#ozqrow#cloqwork au’s#ozqrow au’s#Recurring AU#ozpin#professor ozpin#headmaster ozpin#qrow branwen
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I have a another question about localization since you say all of the FE localizations are good but then there's the localization I hear about of FE fates a localize game that I hear so many Nintendo and FE fans say really bad things about it such as a lot of Mistranslations, Big Script changes, Memes being add in, etc also there was some censorship that got some of them really mad and with some of them saying that it's the wrost localize game of all time is it really that bad as they say?
Whew, this ask has been sitting in my inbox for actual months! Sorry for taking so long to respond! It’s probably unsurprising, but there’s so much to unpack here, and just deciding what to write had me going in circles for a long time.
I’m not entirely satisfied with this answer, but if I tried to discuss everything I have in mind about the Fates localization at once, I’d never be done. So I stuck to 5 topics to give a basic summary. If anyone wants to follow up on one particular issue for more info, or know more about something I didn’t discuss here, please do! I’d love to round out my argument.
First off - a little history just to get our minds situated into the history of localization. Bad localization has always existed, in fact that’s pretty much all we had in the 80’s and somewhat into the 90’s until it became clear that video games were going to become very complex in story and text going forward. Even a surface look into old localizations like this one tells a very long story. We have to remember that “bad” localization is everywhere, and it’s just always going to exist, even now that we have professional teams dedicated to localization, so long as humans aren’t perfect, time crunch is standard in the gaming industry, and we all have our own definition of “good”.
Next, here’s the short answer to the question:
When I say “overall” good, I do stress that pretty heavily, because of course there are plenty of changes that each individual player of the game will have their own take on. The Fire Emblem games simply have so much text in them that even a hundred small mistranslations or changes are just a drop in the bucket.
But I do agree that Fates is one of the worst of the FE localizations, if your terms are in number of changes from the Japanese. Awakening’s is up there too.
Yeah, Awakening’s localization has a lot of questionable moments too. I know this take isn’t a surprise to all fans. But ever since Fates came out, I’ve seen people praising Awakening’s localization, and saying that 8-4 (an outside studio often hired by Nintendo, they localized Awakening) is an amazing localization team and Treehouse (Nintendo’s own team, did Fates) is garbage. TBH… They both did a job that has huge ups and downs. Are people really doomed to always forget the flaws that the previous installment in a series had as soon as something new comes out? Ha ha.
I think it’s common knowledge at this point that localizations are not made for the people who want a more direct-to-the-Japanese version. And that sucks, and the feelings of anger, disappointment, etc. in those who wanted a more direct translation are perfectly valid and entirely understandable.
But we really, really need to understand and accept that localizations are made for the target audience/culture as a whole, and to sell to the most people possible. By getting angry and rejecting the entire game’s script as “total changes,” “butchering,” “changing the games to fit the localization team’s motives,” and all sorts of other toxic nonsense, we miss out on all of the nuance that actually exists. We rob ourselves of the fun that could be had analyzing whether or not the localizers did their job of adapting the game to the target audience, and how they might have done it better. And we can’t notice and appreciate all of the times the team did do a great or good job.
In the vast majority of cases, localizers only want those who play their games and read their scripts to have fun! To imply anything else is just wrong.
What I feel I can do here, to define if “the localization is as bad as they say,” is debunk these “all or nothing” arguments, and show that the changes aren’t usually anywhere near as drastic or simple as people make them sound.
Now let’s goooooo!
I read these two articles to prepare myself to write this, link here, and link here, which I got off a quick Google search. They are from the time of Fates’ release, and report on how a lot of people generally felt back then, so I found them to be good references to put myself back in time with the thoughts people had then.
Character Changes
These often tend to be the biggest topics of conversation. Hisame will be my topic of more detailed discussion today, but I’ll bring other characters up for a hot second too.
I can never stress this enough, but Hisame made pickles in the Japanese. He was always talking about them in the Japanese, too. (Fates loves supports revolving around food in general, really.) I think people generally know this to be true? But I did read some comments saying that the pickle love was totally made up in the localization, you can see the proof above, so I had to point it out.
I don’t think a lot of people who have talked about his character picked up on this - admittedly, I didn’t until someone close to me explained it - but the main gag of Hisame’s character is that he’s young, but already acting like an old man. He lectures his own father on how to behave, etc., and makes pickles. And the “acting like an old man” is not totally lost in translation, with him still acting serious and lecturing his father. But the making pickles trait… I’d never pin that as an “old man” stereotype as a US American. Well, now I would, because I know Japanese culture well enough… but anyway.
And this is where the cultural differences come in. The number of people farming and making traditional foods from scratch is dwindling fast in Japan. In just five years there, I watched countless rice paddies and other small produce fields be turned into houses or apartment buildings. The elderly farmers are becoming too old to care for their crops, and their kids choose to pursue other careers, so the family sells off the farmland. Following along this trend is traditional pickle making. You can just buy them ready to eat in the supermarket, so why make your own? Most people don’t even have the space to be making them if they wanted to. And so, pickle making has come to be seen as something old people do. It fits in with Hisame’s “old man” character perfectly.
But again, as an American, I never would have figured that out without knowledge about Japan. Of course you could argue that the localizers didn’t need to change anything about him. The making pickles was quirky and unique, and would give you a chuckle as is. But there was space to make him funnier, so they did. That is, after all, was what the Japanese intended, for it to be funny. It’s not funny in the same way… but sometimes it’s impossible to be.
And that is what is most important in localization between two wildly different languages like Japanese and English - not retaining the same words, but the same intention or mood. The same words can convey a totally different meaning or mood, or make no sense, because of cultural differences. So localizers need to achieve the same mood, not the same words. I have come to see people understand this much better as the years go on, and the general gaming population becomes more learned about what localization is.
Of course, that’s a pretty simplified way of looking at it. But that’s how I summarize localization as a whole, in an easy way to understand. You might not agree with exactly how the localizers did what they did, but I think we might all be able to agree that they were trying to do their job and had no malicious intent to butcher the Japanese original or something absurd like that.
One more thing that’s relevant to this - Japanese people don’t care about repetition so much. The same character tropes are repeated over and over, the same lines are repeated over and over… In the US, we don’t like that! It’s boring and dull! This cultural difference is a constant struggle in localization. A lot of the people who think they want a direct translation don’t realize that it will be boring to them… So localizations alter and add details and lines here and there to give some more variation. This also helps to explain Hisame’s changes to talk even more about pickles.
And I’ve seen many a comment from people saying they liked Hisame in the localization. They found his exaggerated pickle lines fun, and enjoyed many good laughs. How can we call his new characterization outright bad when it worked for some? When they like it more than a straight Japanese translation? He’s still essentially the same guy… just some of the things he says are different. That’s not much of a change at all.
...And back to that original screenshot I showed. Isn’t Hisame still serious in the localization? His lines are funny, but I’m under the impression that he himself is still dead serious. ...Anyway. That’s about all I have to say about Hisame.
Many characters have changed lines. There’s no disputing that. But something to always question is how far do these changes go? Did the localizers completely change the intent or tone of the original? Or are they playing up certain character traits the characters always had in the Japanese? Or is something else going on?
This is also a prime example of how shallow some articles or “analysis” into the Fates localization are. You can’t look at one line change and make a sweeping conclusion about an entire character. Always be suspect of stuff like this. Kana ALWAYS acted like a little kid. That’s their entire schtick. They are your cute little mama/papa loving kid. That one line may have changed that scene significantly, but Kana’s whole character? No, not at all.
Even Kana’s S support changes aren’t as simple as it seems. They aren’t all changed. The 2nd gen characters that Kana is close in age to retain their romantic endings, such as Midori. Only those considerably older than Kana turned platonic.
And Effie, another character commonly cited as changed? She wasn’t radically changed from some deep character to a one-note workout buff. If only a conclusion could be that easy to reach. Overall, on this specific aspect of Effie, the localization simply added in extra strength or workout jokes when the opportunity arose. Some workout jokes were in the Japanese! She was always an extremely devoted retainer who was always working out and training to get stronger so she could better fulfill her duties.
What is MUCH more interesting in my opinion is the issue of her femininity. In the Japanese, her speech nearly always trailed off with ellipses, and she had feminine voice acting. Whereas in the English, all of that femininity is stripped away with a deep voice, and virtually no ellipses. How refreshing it would have felt in English for Effie to have retained that femininity! Women can bench press trees and be feminine! It would be unique to see a female character like that. ...Or so a US American might think.
But from what I understand, strong female characters in Japanese entertainment are nearly always very feminine. They send a clear message: “You can be whatever you want in private, so long as you still fit the girly-girl mold in public and fulfill society's expectations for you!!” In the Japanese, Effie is fitting their stereotype.
So in one way of looking at it, Effie wasn’t really changed, because in both Japanese and English, she paints a stereotypical and the most socially accepted image of a physically powerful female in each culture. ...That’s an interpretation of mine, anyway. I’m not sure how many people would agree with it.
...See what I mean, that the answer of “changed or unchanged” really isn’t as straightforward as “are the lines translated directly?”
Looking into the deeper details creates a much more interesting picture! You come to paint a picture in your mind, without even thinking about it, of what the localizers intended to do, and you can at least understand what they were thinking. This forms a much more accurate conclusion on whether or not the team achieved a good localization, and whether or not that sacrificed the intent of the original.
So as you can see, few issues are as bad as they’ve been blown up to be. None of the characters are completely different from their Japanese counterparts, or anything so extreme. They were just localized. Whether or not they were localized well, is up to each person’s opinion.
...I do want to write about Soleil, as an example of someone who I think could have been localized better, but I’ll save that for another day. It’s gonna get long. If anyone is interested in seeing this post, just remind me every couple of months or so until I find the time and write it, thanks in advance.
Memes
Since I mentioned Kana’s dragon speak in the last section, this is a perfect time to transition into my feelings about memes, aka context-specific humor. I agree with the most commonly shared opinion: memes don’t belong in localization. Though it’s not just because of a simple “change from the Japanese is bad!!!!” approach. In my opinion, the best localizations will be as timeless as possible. I want my future self and everyone else who will play the game in the years to come to enjoy the game as much as possible.
Memes come in and out of fashion so quickly that they’re almost guaranteed to be out of date by the time they release. And only the most popular of popular stories will be widely-known enough for most everyone to get the reference. Of course, it’s pretty difficult to know what expressions and such people will remember and use 10, 20, or 30 years down the line. Some language you think will be timeless will fall out of style. But using memes and references that are not likely to appeal to as many people as possible… that’s one of the few things I can almost universally call “bad localization.”
Unless, of course, the game was intended in the Japanese to be a product of its time, and used a lot of references. That’s a whole different ball game.
Accurate translation, much less full localization, requires creative thinking to recreate the tone and intent of the original.
Here’s another example that showcases another couple of things I find really important to localization.
Number 1: The writer of the article said “The American localization … gives her silly lines that aren’t in the original.” But does it really “give” her anything new at all? I’d argue not. Tottemo is commonly translated as ‘really’ or something like that… but doesn’t ‘super-dupity’ convey the same meaning as ‘really’? Just because an English word isn’t given as a common definition for a Japanese word, doesn’t mean it can’t be a definition. Sometimes… a word we don’t commonly think of as a translation for the Japanese, can still be a perfectly valid translation. This is not an addition. Just an uncommon translation of the Japanese word.
Number 2: Japanese has a wide range of “I” and “you” pronouns, sentence endings, and other little things that define character age, personality, gender, and more, that simply don’t exist in English. To not use similar features of English when localizers find opportunities to do so, would just take away that sense of nuance the Japanese had in utilizing their language’s own unique features.
Of course it’s one possibility that Sophie uses kiddy words. She’s not a little kid, but she’s still pretty young! To have everyone use the same word choice, because that’s how the words translate into English, is not only inaccurate to how real people talk, but also inaccurate to how the original Japanese was used. Since many equivalents for Japanese word and grammar choice that define personality do not exist in English, the localizers have to use what does exist in English in new places. I think that makes sense, and creates a much closer script to the Japanese than just translating the words.
Again, it’s all about how we look at the lines!
I see a lot of people define “translation” as “one-to-one recreation of the Japanese words.” To reinforce what I said in the first section, I do not think this is true. To me, translating is recreating the same tone, mood, meaning, and message of the original. You CANNOT achieve that just by translating the words and grammar alone.
Different words conveying the same overall meaning.
This section is really just a continuation of the previous one. But reinforcing central arguments over and over again is the core of good essay writing.
So this is one of my strategies for deciding whether or not a script is a good or bad translation/localization: “Does the script convey the same basic meaning?” (or tone, etc.)
Changes, adding detail to what the Japanese said, and “playing-up,” are all wildly different things.
So first, I break down the bit of dialogue into as few words as possible.
-Nohr royals inherit dragon blood.
-So they have superhuman power.
...And then I look to see if the localization conveyed that same basic meaning. Which, in this case, I think it did. Your mileage may vary, but I think I’ve made my point at least.
I wanted this scene to be one of the five I addressed because I think it exemplifies yet another of the fascinating differences between Japanese and English. Japanese is a language that likes to be vague, and leave out context that is already established. Speech can seem super boring as few characters say anything unique. (At least… that’s how us English speakers see it! Japanese people think they are just being normal, and not vague or boring at all!) ...English, not so much. So much as leaving out the subject of the sentence is chastised as incorrect grammar. And we like unique dialogue and prose more than most other languages.
I saw one person in the comments of the article I got this visual from argue that the tone is totally different, that the Japanese was more of a history lesson, but the localization is trying to pump Corrin and Leo up for battle, but… eh, I just don’t see it. The English also just feels like he is describing the powers of their bloodline to me. Again, that’s why this is so complex and fascinating, because everyone has their own viewpoints they are coming from.
The “direct translation” and “localization” reach the same message. This isn’t a big change in my opinion at all.
Sometimes mistakes happen...
These interpretations of Saizo and Beruka’s C Support have always boggled my mind. Coming up with all these explanations as to why the omission was done on purpose to completely erase the support when… it just seems… obvious to me… that the localization team never wrote or programmed a translation and shipped the game with the placeholder?
After all, if the localization team felt they had to remove or change content that might be questionable for the target audience, wouldn’t they alter or rewrite the conversation, like they have with Soleil’s supports, for example? This very game has multiple examples of proof that the localizers will rewrite entire chunks of script if they feel it makes the scene better fit what the target audience be more comfortable with.
Mistakes happen. That’s all I think Saizo and Beruka’s C Support is. We probably never got an update just because Nintendo doesn’t have a track record of being the best with those.
Of course, I may be wrong. Nintendo and Treehouse keep pretty much all of their processes a secret. But I never, ever would have imagined on my own that Saizo and Beruka’s support was omitted on purpose. Citing this as a reason why we need to be up in arms about bad localization is so absurd to me.
Mistakes happen. It’s not like the Japanese creators didn’t have embarrassing moments with underdeveloped content in this game either… they didn’t even name the continent in this game!
Sometimes, “bad” localization is just human error. It’s something we can’t eliminate entirely, and will just have to accept.
Final thoughts:
I realize that this analysis, for as long as it is, is very short, and still leaves out so much that could be talked about.
But what I hope that it did was not really help convince readers that the Fates localization is actually good, exactly… but helped to create some more balance in how we look at the Fates localization and localizations as a whole. All localization changes have a reason and nuance to how they ended up happening, and it’s important to be thinking from that perspective when we discuss them!
Since I know I may have created more questions than answers, again, feel free to keep the conversation going through more asks! I’ll answer them in time!
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The Sermon of LIFE
The Sermon of (My Current) LIFE
Standing at the altar of my hometown church, I feels surreal. My hands holding the micorphone as I look out into a hundred faces…
All the while, never did I imagine I would be here where I am now, standing before all of these faces of my youth…but none of us really ever know do we?
God leads us to places we could never imagine.
I was an anxious child. as many people remind me of the way I stuck close to my parents.
but now I know it was the anxiety to get out into the world and see what else it was God had created besides myself and what I had already known.
I went to an international art school.
upon graduating I didn’t know what to do.
no job felt right.
I had this hunger to see where so many of my friends were from.
I prayed to the lord and I reminded Him that he was in control.
I acknowledged and spoke—
“you are my guide
and you are in control
of my ride.
I am just here enjoying the breeze.
take me where i need to go— i trust you”
And so the lord brought me many places—
each experience mysteriously preparing me for the next.
Hk-Italy-China-Spain- now Japan
Each experience being the grace of God
people ask me, how did you get these jobs??
And honestly, all were the through the grace of God—all through who I knew through the church.
So many times I didn’t know where to go.
In result, I prayed it was all the power of God.
I acknowledged my needs of Christ through prayer.
The church— God is the base of all things
never did I truly see that until this experience.
4 years ago I came back from a life-changing experience in rural China.
An experience so unique and so special.
That is an entire other story for another day. I arrived home from China, and remember feeling like my entire life was all wrong.
I was depressed.
everything I had known before felt so different.
and no one could understand what I was going through.
no one knew or could ever know the personal life-changing experience I endured in that rural china town.
I felt like I a giant who could not fit into the human home id always known.
I was lost.
but God could understand me. and he brought me where I needed to go.
I researched everything to go and get out into the world again.
but I also had people telling me to find “a real job”
I tried finding whatever a real job was,
but felt it wasn’t right.
I struggled with that. too much.
my life felt hopeless.
but I got through it, and God answered my prayers.
God always knows what we know deep down.
And God leads us down this strict path.
God knows we have doubts, but he keeps us going down that path because WE prayed for him to lead us and guide us.
so I surrendered my doubts to Him and said, “TAKE ME WHERE I NEED TO GO”
its what we all should do. honestly.
it can change your life.
so, one day I was at the church with my Mom, and she was talking to people as usual. I just kept looking at her, like, let’s goooooo. Then, I looked down… I came across this brochure I had never noticed before…
It was for ELCA global missions YAGM—volunteer program.
I applied, interviewed, and was denied for my “overqualifications”.
I did not understand it. “WTF. WHY????”, I thought.
And so I went on to the next adventure.
I’d wanted to go to Spain, so I took some time there trying to figure out what I needed. I went there to live with a family (I found on the internet) who needed help with their English.
While in Spain, I got this email from ELCA Global Mission saying they had needed this paid position filled, and someone had given my resume.
Suddenly I realized why I did not get that volunteer position. This new position was much better with pay and amazing benefits.
They asked if I would be interested.
OBVIOUSLY.
And obviously, I got the job because here I am almost three years later!
God always provides. We may not understand something at the moment, but we have to step back and look at the big picture.
Last week I was at a conference with ELCA- Global Mission in Chicago.
I was speaking with someone who said:
“life is like a big painting. sometimes we get to close to one aspect, we move in and cover our eyes to focus on that one spot. we get so close that it becomes dark from the shadow. That is how we are when we become obsessed with one aspect of our lives. it is important to step back and remember that there is a whole picture. we need that entire picture to explain the small detail.”
It is so true. And God always knows that picture.
We can not worry about one aspect. especially when we have the power to respond to a situation in any way we like. We are in control of our minds and how to respond.
It is important to keep that faith in Jesus. For our own sanity.
The three years in Tokyo have shot by. I have experienced so many things in that time. that have helped progress the time.
My term was ending and I did not feel like I was finished.
I had felt like my time had only begun,
and a blessing, I was asked to extend my time there.
the church was going through a lot of transition.
we needed consistency and we needed someone who knew this location well.
So what do I do?
I work for ELCA: Global mission who partners with other Evangelical Lutheran organizations all over the world. I have colleagues all over Africa, Israel, Germany, Malaysia, China, Hong Kong, India, Brazil, Columbia, Argentina… the list goes on… I, as well as many others, are based in Japan. But I am the only one in Tokyo.
So ELCA works with the JELC: Japan Evangelical Lutheran Church, who has special programs with churches around Tokyo.
I am based at two locations in Tokyo: there is Hongo Lutheran Church who has a community Student Center and Koishikawa Lutheran Church who owns and operates a Girls Dormitory
I attend Hongo Lutheran Church each Sunday where I help with church activities and also teach Sunday morning English bible study. During the week I also go here and conduct English Conversation classes which sometimes result in more of a counseling session.
I have all ages… from 3 - 9-year-olds all the way to elderly adults in their 80s.
Many middle-aged moms come. and we have nice conversations and lessons about culture and self-love.
Honestly, when I was younger I loved kids. but after living in Spain, they kind of freaked me out. Then going to Tokyo I was forced to create classes for these little ones who did not know English. but God flows through me and somehow it happens. Now I love little kids and especially my little kids.
They are amazing. It is so cool how I, a 27 year old English speaking native can have inside jokes with little kids who speak Japanese natively.
My kids feel so comfortable and happy to come to the center each week.
My three and four-year-olds wear their princess dresses to class. It is awesome. They will dress up specifically for their thirty-minute sessions. Then we will sing and dance together. I have a little boy who has a stutter. He is three and is super self-conscious of it. He won’t speak. He will only tap and point. But he loves to come. The purpose is not to learn English but to feel welcome and loved. Each week he will bring a different toy to show me. He is always so proud.
In Tokyo, they don’t use cars. It takes to long. Moms have “mom bikes” verse “mom SUVs”. They tote their kids around on motorized bikes with car seats. Or they will walk if its close enough. So I just imagine these kids coming each week with these big toys and princess dresses walking down the street or on their bikes… so cute.
A lot of the mothers of my kids also will come to the adult classes.
I have kind of created a “moms class” and they come and talk about their lives and kids together in English.
Many elder students. I have students in their 70s and 80s. They make their way there every week. They have illnesses but they come! Its always awesome to talk to them about their lives. Many have come for almost twenty years, but have the same beginners English. We talk together through translations. One lady comes every week after her doctor’s appointment. Every week she shows her large full bag of medications. And every week I ask what it is. And every week she tells me. Every week she checks out my outfit and tries on my jacket. Every week she shows off her outfit and asks “how much?”… every week is a joy. Every week this lady comes to feel wanted. That is what I do.
Last year I started teaching English Zumba! I never taught Zumba or any type of exercise officially. but a student had approached me and asked to consider it… so I did. We have new students who come just to dance. We hold the class in the sanctuary one Sunday a month. It is a lot of fun. at the end of the class, we meditate on this Christian song called “Oceans” by Hillsong United. The parents especially love it to relieve stress.
This year I have started teaching English Photography classes.
Two Saturdays a month we meet— I present techniques and they go home and make prints and come back the next class for a critique and another lecture. It has been really great! A longtime student of mine—her parents are architects in Tokyo. they come to the class and it’s just really interesting to see their photos and hear about their work…
I have started these two classes specifically to get more people in the community to join our center. Why? English conversation is a difficult market. Especially in a busy city like Tokyo. Having classes with two ways of learning is good for Japanese who are busy and want to learn more than just English. They can come and learn photography, English, and build a nice community.
The second location I work at is the Girls Dormitory…
The dormitory is owned and operated by a Lutheran church. A majority of the girls who stay there are not Christian. And that is ok because true Christians do not discriminate or judge.
In Japan, Universities have dorms, but it is more common for them to stay in community dorms. Maybe it is cheaper.
Some girls come from out of state or country to study high school or college and stay in a dorm like this.
So my students are from all over Japan.
Some girls who stay there are returning students who were raised abroad with their families whose fathers work for a Japanese company in another country. Here I have an office where the girls can come to and talk with me. depending on their reason for the study, we have different topics. Usually, we talk about culture and have fun activities. The dorm gives me an allowance to do fun things with the girls. We have parties or go to dinners every once in a while.
They love when I have holiday parties at my home. We usually watch a Christmas movie like ELF and decorate Christmas cookies. I try to share with them, the real American way. Basically, my work is to share love and joy. Not talk about the word of God, but SHOW IT.
That is what we Christians should be doing every day. People do not respond to words, but they respond to action and spirit. And to tell people there is just a special story for each of us… big or small, we all have an important part in this world. your single existence is crucial to the balance of the universe.
We each have the opportunity to have a story as long as we turn it over to God with faith.
Look a the Bible… so many stories. The Lord has a special plan for each of us. No matter who we are and what bad we have done in our lives. WE are each redeemable.
Noah was a drunk, Moses was a murderer… God redeemed them with important tasks.
Many of us are not Noah or Moses. We have not done such bad, but the Lord does not judge based on that. The Lord wants us to thrive. Allow yourself to listen to what YOUR story is that the Lord is saving for YOU. Smile to people who seem sad. Share the joy. Your one small gesture has the ability to change someone’s entire day, and that person will go on to inspire another and another. It’s the ripple effect.
that is our mission as Christians. NOT to make people Christians, but to heal people. Make people feel loved. Make people feel inspired to live their life and shine brightly just as they were meant to. Our mission is to share the peace and understanding; share the unconditional love.
In your work, in your path, you have an opportunity to bring change. No matter what your job is. You have the power to inspire and save a life with a smile. You have the power to react the way you choose.
All this time and it is easy to forget what brought me here in the first place. those are my experiences.
We need those experiences. They are the small roads that lead you to the major intersections that take you to this big destination. Enjoy your path and remember to ask GOD for guidance.
Tell God you trust in him and the path he needs to you take. On that path, make sure you inspire and share this with those who may not know it either
Words and imagery by Jennifer Jarvie @clubjarvie
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Okay so I made a pretty big work about yotuns in the MCU(I don’t count comics bc movies create another universe) and I found out some interesting things about them.
First I want to start with their anatomy and physiology.I am not a doctor but I think I have the right to talk about that.
Skin.
It’s obvious,their skin is blue for them to merge with the territory to hunt,hide, etc.Blue skin makes them almost invisible in dark blue Yotunheim.But they have these dark patterns on their skin mostly about them I want to talk.
Firstly I thought what they are just veins but it’s only a half of the truth.
As I matched not all creatures of Yotunheim have these like this Dragon
Or this yotun.
I only see some scars on his chest and maybe he has something on his face but let’s look on Laufey again.
His body is fully covered by them,his face,bust,belly,arms etc.What are they then?
I guess what these are veins not with blood but with magic or these are family patterns.The first doesn’t really fit because every yotun in a fight with Thor,Loki,Lady Sif And The Warrior three used ice magic (let it gooooo let it goooooo).But Laufey awoken the Dragon(can I just call him dragon?) by breaking the giant amounts of ice what looked like there was an earthquake.I don’t think every yotun can do that.And he has used the casket of Ancient Winters for centuries and he is a direct descendant of the first yotun Aurgelmir.The p Ancient creatures in Marvel are the most powerful look at Galactus,Grandmaster,Eternity,Nemezida etc(from the comics).The same thing is with Asirs.I’ve never seen an asir in films which is not a descendant of Buri but wields power like Thor.You might say “But Yana did you forget Frigga? She is not the sister or daughter of Odin but she has her power of reading minds and future vision” No I haven’t. “I was raised by witches” says Frigga to Thor in Avengers Endgame.She wasn’t born with her power she was taught.The only asirs what have the chaotic energy of cosmos or magic in their blood are Buri’s descendants( Bor,Odin,Thor) So we can say what Laufey wields the power of Aurgelmir And is the most powerful out of his kind on the moment of Thor 1.
Also when Loki uses the casket of Ancient Winters on Heimdall we can see these patterns show up on his face and hands.
So in conclusion I think what these patterns are the magic strength indicators.But this theory cracks when we remember what Loki already had these when he was a baby.
But what if I What I say what our little prince has magic inside? What if these patterns are not just “strength indicators” (they show what this creature has the power of Aurgelmir inside) but also indicators of Argelmir’s bloodline.They are just pale bc Loki never used it.
2. Eyes
This is kinda obvious too.Have you ever seen 3D glasses where one eye is blue and the other one is red?
If you look only through the red one your eyes will start to hurt bc it’s too harsh.Everything seems more contrast what is very useful in dark,monotone realm.
3. Origin
I already said what Loki and Laufey are descendants of Aurgelmir but where did other yotuns came from? I think what in Marvel Aurgelmir came from a Big Bang or like in myths out of Yotunheim’s poisonous and unbreakable ice(maybe this power was enclosed in the casket of Ancient Winters) and the Fire of Muspelheim(probably the Eternal Flame) And firstly wasn’t pretty intelligent and or while trying to control his powers or by his interesting actions appeared something between Dragons of Yotunheim and Yotuns which later divided in the process of evolution.
#loki (marvel)#jotuns#pls guys stop drawin loki with horns it doesnt make any sense#loki laufeyson#loki son of laufey#laufey#marvel
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omg i'm so sorry for your loss, and that must've been SO hard to watch during that time. i watched it during one of my more depressed months, i'm not sure but i was feeling very... small and insignificant. i still do, but.. funny enough i was feeling like if i passed no one would know me, cause i feel like i don't really open myself up to ppl. they just know what i show. so when they go to people's homes and help them 'move' and find out their story through their things it really made me think what my story will me & i keep thinking about it ever since. and oh i cried so fucking hard the ep he found out about his brother. like my head hurt soooo much. & yes i cried during the tree scene too. god :( they really left it open ended but its def a show that deserves another season. i really want to see this little found family again. ive actually been thinking about rewatching shows that helped me feel something and i'll probably rewatch this again soon 🥲 i feel like it doesn't get talked about as much but it was so good (unless it was just cause i didnt watch it when it was on air)
it was hard but it did let me work through a lot of stuff. THAT SUMS UP THE FEELING PERFECTLY. small. insignificant. had me sitting in my room looking around at my stuff pondering ‘when i go what will my ‘story’ be? what will my stuff say?’
move to heaven is so goooooo but it makes you confront and think about deep stuff & you gotta be emotionally ready for it jdejjcje
the drama hurt me so much that by the end i was bawling over the smallest things cjwjjxjd but that tree scene and the brother thing?? AND THE SFUFF WITH HIS DAD?? the car scene with na mu and geu ru?? the dynamics and relationship and little found family that existed is everything. i did hear s2 might be a thing but it’s been so long since there has been an update :(
it actually was hyped up when it first dropped (on tumblr/MDL) but now i barely see it mentioned
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ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. DISNEY PRINCESS HOGWARTS HOUSING LET’S FUCKIN’ GOOOOOO
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK. BEEN ON A HOGWARTS HOUSE KICK. LET'S DO IT. IN ORDER. ALL OF THEM. WITH ACTUAL GOOD REASONING.
MY HOUSING METHOD IS AS FOLLOWS
The Houses are separated using two different axes. The first is Aggressive vs Passive. This axis dictates whether a House is primarily an active participant in life who doesn't want to "settle for less" or more likely to just go with the flow and take the hand dealt to them, Hakuna Matata style. The Aggressive Houses are Gryffindor and Slytherin. The Passive Houses are Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw.
The second axis is Society Accepting vs Society Rejecting. This axis dictates whether a House sees itself as a member of society and acknowledges it's rules (even if it doesn't always follow them), or sees itself as an outlier to society, thinking that the rules need not exist at all (whether they agree with them or not.) TO BE CLEAR: REJECTING DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE A LONELY SOCIOPATH AND ACCEPTING DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE A MINDLESS YES MAN. The Society Accepting Houses are Hufflepuff and Slytherin. The Society Rejecting Houses are Gryffindor and Ravenclaw.
So, you find out on which side of each axis you land on. Most important, though, is to remember that your House comes from the WHY behind your actions, not the actions themselves. So, along with their full axis orientations, here is the main WHY behind each House:
Gryffindor: To spread their specific core values through their actions. (Aggressive Society Rejecting)
Hufflepuff: To be useful to humanity in every situation. (Passive Society Accepting)
Ravenclaw: To do what they want, when they want, as much as they want to. (Passive Society Rejecting)
Slytherin: To realize their dreams and become the greatest version of themselves they can. (Aggressive Society Accepting)
So, without further ado, here is my Housing, below the cut.
Snow White - Hufflepuff
This one will likely go undisputed. First off, is Snow White Aggressive in her story, or Passive? Well, Snow White is one of the queens of taking what she’s given and making it work. She dreams at her wishing well for her Prince, but she’s found a way to make her current life as a scullery maid bearable. She pretty much rolls with the punches from beginning to end. Evil Queen makes her a scullery maid, she’s gonna make it work. Huntsman tells her to run, she’s gonna make it work. Winds up living with a bunch of dwarves, she’s gonna make it work. This narrows her down to either Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw.
Second, is Snow White Society Accepting or Society Rejecting? Does she see herself as a valuable member of humanity as a whole, connected to everyone, or is she an island, separate and different from those around her? I’d easily say she’s Accepting. She believes in helping and doing her share and wants to be seen as useful. This would make her a Hufflepuff.
So, is Snow White’s WHY “to be useful to humanity in every situation?” I’d definitely say so. She’s very determined to do her part and to never be a burden. She is hardworking, often seen with her nose to the grindstone, and sees no job as being beneath her. It’s a job and every job needs to get done. Hufflepuffs often see the world as a giant machine, made up of millions of cogs. The only way the machine can work is if every cog is working at tip top form. So, Snow White is always at tip top form, always humble, never extravagant or over the top. She’s practical and sensible and gets the job done.
Cinderella - Hufflepuff
Very similar story to Snow. The basic moral of both of their fairy tales is “if you are hardworking and patient, good things will come your way.” So, first, is Cindy Passive or Aggressive? I’d argue Passive. Yes, she does eventually escape the clutches of Lady Tremaine, but that is only after she had an out handed to her. For all the time before then, she had been content with dreaming of her escape. More important to her was sticking it to her family by keeping her composure under her dire circumstances. She would remain passive and stoic, fighting their cruelty by never letting them see how it affected her. Her defense was becoming a rock; immovable, unbreakable, and ultimately Passive. This makes her either Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw.
Second, is she Society Accepting or Society Rejecting? I’d definitely say Accepting. She sees the caste system within her household as something to be worked through and endured, rather than rejecting it altogether and being rebellious. She doesn’t think she is someone who SHOULD be invited to the ball, although she still wants to attend. And even when she gets a chance to go, she worries about societal concerns; she can’t go unless she has a dress, some shoes, a coach, etc, not because she is selfish (quite the contrary), but because these are the things people who attend balls have. This would officially make her a Hufflepuff.
As a Hufflepuff, is Cinderella’s WHY “to be useful to humanity in every situation?” Absolutely. Cinderella is just as hardworking and humble as Snow White, if not a bit less trusting. Cinderella never does anything halfway, even if she doesn’t like the person who gave her the task. The task needs to be done, regardless of who assigns it to whom. Being a productive and useful human being matters most to her, to rebel and not complete these tasks she perceives as important would be much worse than her own suffering. It takes her Fairy Godmother reminding her that gaining her own happiness is the most important task to complete for her to begin wanting to change her situation.
Aurora - Ravenclaw
Our first different princess! So, to go back through my process, is Aurora Passive or Aggressive? Ultimately, passive. She shows much more outward discomfort in than both Snow White and Cinderella when things don’t go her way, but she still tends to just go with the flow. Although she cried on her bed about not getting to see Phillip, she accepts what has been given to her and goes with her fairy guardians. She was very content with just living in her cottage with her guardians in the middle of the woods. No need for anything beyond that. It’s the hand she was dealt, and she is content. So, she’s either a Hufflepuff or a Ravenclaw, like the others.
Now, here comes the surprise. Is Aurora Society Accepting or Society Rejecting? I honestly believe that Aurora rejects society and its norms. A Society Accepting type, after learning they were actually a princess, would feel sad that they couldn’t be with the boy they just met that day, but would take on this new task handed to them with grace and gusto. A Society Accepting would have been shocked, maybe scared, and then determined to become a good princess. Their new boyfriend would have entered their mind as another obligation, most likely as an afterthought, but they ultimately would have seen this new task as more important. Duty over desire. Not Aurora. Aurora is horrified to hear of her status as a princess. She mopes over it to no end. Why? Because, she had a dream about wanting a boyfriend, got a boyfriend, and now “society” and it’s “norms” are telling her she can’t have it!! What?? Who cares if she’s a princess and has “responsibilities.” She just wants to keep on living in her cabin with her forest-boyfriend. She only accepts becoming a princess after she realizes she gets to keep her guy. There isn’t very much to work with character wise with Aurora, but of the little she did, I just couldn’t find an example of her wanting to participate as a productive member of society. She just wanted to dance around with her forest friends. This would mean she must be a Ravenclaw.
Now, as a Ravenclaw, is Aurora’s WHY “to do what she wants, when she wants, as much as she wants to?” I would say YES. Since she is the first Ravenclaw, I’ll go a little deeper. Ravenclaws, due to being Passive and Society Rejecting, are usually best described as.... odd. They are usually found off in their own world, doing things in their own way, at their own speed. They feel no yearn to connect with society as a whole and would rather be doing their own thing. There are lots of things about Aurora that would seem “odd.” Her reaction to finding out she’s a princess is definitely entirely unique to her. Ravenclaws will very often leave the people around them confused with their reactions to things that society (or in the case of Gryffindors, morals) would deem as important, often shrugging them off or finding them outright abhorrent. Meanwhile, they laud some of the strangest achievements, like finding your Literal Dream Boyfriend, as more important.
Ariel - Slytherin
Yep. I know. Waiting for the debates. But, anyway, let’s start from the beginning. FIrst off, is Ariel Passive or Agressive? She is our very first Disney Princess I’d describe as Aggressive. She never accepts the hand that’s dealt to her if she doesn’t like it. She fights and she negotiates and she’s always looking for a way out of her situation. She is everything except Passive. No one would disagree to that.
Now, for the debate. Is Ariel Society Accepting or Society Rejecting? Now, most of you are probably thinking, “What are you, nuts? Of COURSE she’s Society Rejecting! She turns her back on the merfolk without a second thought! She sees herself as an outcast, an outsider! She’s textbook Society Rejecting!” But, I think I need to be a bit more clear about what I mean by “society.” “Society”, as defined in this axis, is not a place, it’s an idea. I guess what I actually mean by society is “connection.” Ariel is simply rejecting one connection for another, one that she finds more fulfilling. Hufflepuffs and Slytherins yearn for connection, for belonging, for validation. They need other people. They need “society”, as an idea. Gryffindors and Ravenclaws do not NEED connection. They may like it, it can be nice to have, but it isn’t required. If anything, the more Gryffindors and Hufflepuffs can differentiate themselves from everyone else they’ve ever met, the better. They want to be seen as different, unique, apart, unlike anyone else. Hufflepuffs and Slytherins want to belong. They want to be seen as exceptional, better, the best, even, but the only way to be that is to be able to be compared to someone else. So, yes, Ariel rejects merfolk society and scoffs at their rules, but she is OBSESSED with fitting into human society and following every one of their customs to a tee. Therefore, keeping all this in mind, Ariel is most likely a Slytherin.
Knowing that many of you still think she is a Gryffindor, let’s compare the WHYs of each House. Is Ariel’s WHY “to spread her specific core values through her actions?” Gryffindors are often the people you find lecturing those around them. Gryffindors are just brimming with advice, and they believe that everyone should just reject any rules that any society would place upon you and, instead, live the way they do. Exactly the way they do. And, here’s how you can do that (whether you want to hear me explain it or not!) Just look at the moralizing Gryffindors from the actual books to compare. Even Fred and George lecture, it not being enough for just them to be goofballs. They think EVERYONE shouldn’t take life seriously, just like they do. Ariel is not a lecturer. She has no grand message to share. Sure, she has morals, everyone does, but she doesn’t try to force anyone else to think the way she does. She doesn’t go around trying to convince anyone else that humans aren’t barbarians unless they start trying to stop her from bettering herself. They can think however they want, they just can’t stop her from thinking the way she wants.
Now, let’s compare. Is Ariel’s WHY “to realize her dreams and become the greatest version of herself she can?” Absolutely! That’s her entire existence. She wants to be where the people are. She wants to not only be human, but to be the BEST human. She wants to learn everything they know and more. She longs to follow their rules and customs, to belong with them. She sees becoming human as the best possible version of herself. This is the difference between the two Society Accepting Houses. Hufflepuffs, being Passive, accept the society they are given. They are realists and pragmatists, wanting to follow and practical, respectable life. Humility is their middle name. But, Slytherins, being Aggressive, don’t always accept the society that’s been handed to them. They want the best they can get and they will do whatever it takes to get that. If the Slytherin does accept the society they are born into, they will quickly try to become the best they can be within that society. They don’t just want to be useful, like Hufflepuffs. They want to be exceptional. Ariel wants to be exceptional. She wants to better herself. She wants to belong. And she does whatever it takes to make those dreams a reality.
Belle - Ravenclaw
After that last controversial one, let’s get a conforming House in here! So, let’s start. Is Belle Passive or Aggressive? I’d say that Belle is a great example to show that “Passive” does not mean “pushover.” Anyone can stand up for themselves and their own personal morals. Belle does this constantly. She stands against diversity and holds her head high where others might bow down. This sort of behavior is not House specific. But, Belle still shows that tell-tale Passive behavior. Although she may dream about getting out of this “provincial life” she seems more content to just accept where she is and make it work. She shows no signs of true rebellion. She can’t escape in real life, so she escapes through her books. This is enough for her. Then, when the Beast makes her his prisoner, rather than trying to escape, she makes it work. She makes friends with the servants, and takes pleasure in defying him so long as he’s rude to her, but otherwise, she makes it work.This would make Belle either Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw.
Now, is Belle Society Accepting or Society Rejecting? I’d say Rejecting. Although she dislikes people being cruel to her, using words like “odd”, she seems to take some pride in being different from them. Although she longs for friendship and belonging, what she really wants is to find people who will let her be who she wants to be. She enjoys things that are different, like her, and wants to exist alongside them. Yes, some Society Rejectors can exhibit this ironic behavior. They align themselves with other people who are “odd” or “different” and seemingly form a new society. But, what’s important to remember is that there’s a difference between seeking “belonging” and seeking “acceptance.” Society Rejectors want to be accepted, meaning that they are left to behave how they want and get to keep their friends. Society Acceptors want to belong, meaning they strive to become good enough that they may be part. So, Belle must be a Ravenclaw.
Now, as a Ravenclaw, is Belle’s WHY “to do what she wants, when she wants, as much as she wants to?” I would say so! She wants adventure, she wants to read her books, she wants to be different, she wants to exist as an individual alongside other individuals. I think she falls in love with Prince Adam BECAUSE he’s so unique. He’s different. The more she recognizes him as an outcast, the more she likes him. The more she sees how unique the castle is, the more she likes it. Therefore, she exhibits some strange Ravenclaw reactions: She chooses to stay in her captor’s castle, even forming a loving relationship with him, all of her own volition. This is definitely a unique response to everything that happened to her. I considered Gryffindor briefly, but I think the live action movie may have an example of a Gryffindor Belle. She tries to escape. She is more of a lecturer. She actively teaches the Beast to be a better person, rather than bonding with him exactly as he is in the animated version. Live Action Belle tries to teach other girls in the village to be inventive and educated, Animated Belle is not going to force anyone to read with her. If they don’t want to of their own accord, she’s not interested.
Jasmine - Gryffindor
I don’t think this one will be disputed. So, firstly, is Jasmine Passive or Aggressive? I think we’d all say Aggressive. She is a doer, a changer, she is willing to rebel if she feels like she’s not getting treated the way she should. She sics a tiger on a suitor. I really don’t think I need to give any examples beyond that. So, that makes Jasmine either a Gryffindor or a Slytherin.
So, is Jasmine Society Accepting or Society Rejecting? I’d pretty clearly say Rejecting. She doesn’t just dislike royal society, she just flat out hates the idea of anyone telling her what to do. She enjoys standing out and being different, being “not the average princess.” In her speech to Aladdin, she mentions feeling trapped by society’s rules and regulations. She wants to be an individual, to be free. So, that would make Jasmine a Gryffindor.
Our first Gryffindor Princess! So, as a Gryffindor, is Jasmine’s WHY “to spread her specific core values through her actions?” I’d give that a big yes. She is the first lecturing Disney Princess. She lectures her father on her beliefs after siccing Rajah on her suitor. She will only marry for love. She not only seeks to free herself from society’s norms, but others as well. She frees her pet birds from their cage, she steals an apple for an orphan, and she tries to free Aladdin, although societal rules say that he should be punished for the crimes he actually committed. She makes speeches and tries to push her beliefs onto others, while trying to live by example.
I’ve decided I’m going to do a part two!
For some of the upcoming princesses, I think I’m going to have to meditate a bit harder. As the storytelling gets more complex and less old school fairy tale, the princesses get more complex. And, since it’s getting late, I’m going to think on it a bit longer and finish this another day. Expect a part two! Thanks for reading this short novella!
#non-mbti#hogwarts houses#Harry potter houses#HP houses#Disney Princess#hufflepuff#ravenclaw#slytherin#gryffindor#cinderella#sleeping beauty#belle#ariel#little mermaid#jasmine#sorting hat#hogwarts sorting
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How to Eat a Plant-Based Diet: A Scientific Look at Going Vegan Safely
So you’re interested in eating only plants, eh?
Well, you’ve come to the right place to learn all about it. I’ve seen many people over the years have success with a Plant-Based Diet.
Truth be told though, I’ve seen many people also struggle with it too.
(After all, donuts are “plant-based” and pizza just got declared “a vegetable”).
There is definitely a right way and a wrong way to embark on eliminating animal products from your diet.
Today, I’ll share with you how to safely and correctly follow a plant-based menu and still hit your goals.
Now, although I’ve been running this site for 10 years, I may be drawing a large target on my back by diving headfirst into a topic I’ve thus far avoided.
As a blogger, if you want to tenfold your hate mail, take a stance on a Plant-Based Diet.
And saying ANYTHING about veganism – for OR against – is an easy way to get virtual produce tossed at you.
Although most people discover Nerd Fitness through our guides on Paleo or Keto, we get SO many questions on how to eat a Plant-Based Diet that I figured I’d give my two cents.
With pop stars and famous directors advising folks to try veganism, these inquiries are only going to increase.[1]
So today, we are going to talk about how to eat a Plant-Based Diet safely.
The right way, and the wrong way, to go vegan or vegetarian.
BIG ASS CAVEAT: I’m not going to try to convince you to give up meat. If you’re reading this, I’ll assume you’re here because you’re interested in doing so, and want to know the best path through it.
The politics, controversy (yes, I’ve read the China Study[2]), and geopolitical impact of veganism are beyond the scope of this article. I’m just a nerd who studies the hell outta health and wellness and sometimes wears pants.[3]
So setting all the controversy aside, I want to explore the science and the “how to” for people who are heading down this path.
If you are going to eat a plant-based or vegan diet, what’s the best way to do it?
What are tips and tricks to make it sustainable?
Is it as easy as “stop eating meat?”
Is there any unsafe way to eat only plants?
Let’s goooooo!
WHAT EXACTLY IS A PLANT-BASED DIET?
There are quite a few different versions of a Plant-Based Diet.
It’ll be good to start with some definitions so we land on the same page.
According to the Vegetarian Society, a vegetarian is someone who “does not eat foods that consist of, or have been produced with the aid of products consisting of or created from, any part of the body of a living or dead animal.”[4]
So NO eating:
Meat
Poultry
Fish
Shellfish
Insects
Instead, vegetarians DO eat:
Grains
Legumes
Nuts
Seeds
Vegetables (duh)
Fruits
Fungi
Plants, more or less.
“Vegetarian” can be a broader term for more specific examples of plant-based eating. Some examples would be:
Lacto-ovo-vegetarians is someone who doesn’t eat animal flesh but does eat dairy and eggs. This is the most common type of vegetarian.
Lacto vegetarians don’t eat eggs but do eat dairy.
Ovo vegetarians avoid all animals products, with the exception of eggs.
Vegans avoid all animal products, including dairy and eggs and even things like honey. If it came from an animal, it’s not a part of a vegan diet. Some even take it one step further and eat only a “raw vegan” diet, where the plants consumed are not cooked prior to consumption.
The above are the most common forms of Plant-Based Diets, but there are others!
A pescatarian is someone who consumes no animal products except fish and shellfish.
A flexitarian is someone who follows a vegetarian diet a majority of the time, but who will occasionally eat meat.
Now granted, neither pescatarians nor flexitarians are technically vegetarians because both contain animal products on the menu.
However, they are mostly plant-based, so worth mentioning – especially if somebody is doing this in an attempt to be healthier.
There are many more considerations and labels, which can tackle a lot of the ethical stances around being vegan: not wearing animal products, the treatment of animals, etc.
To be blunt, this is outside the scope of this article.
I’m only interested in “If you are going to eat only plants, how do you do it?” So we’ll politely ignore clothing, testing, and captivity for this article.
Which brings us to…
WHAT DO YOU EAT ON A PLANT-BASED DIET? WHAT’S ON A VEGAN MENU?
What you can or cannot eat on a Plant-Based Diet depends a lot on what kind of vegetarianism you follow.
Eggs and dairy, for example, may or may not be included. It really comes down to what path you are choosing.
There are some general food groups we can consider as universal no matter what form of vegetarianism you follow.
A Plant-Based Diet will include the following foods:
Whole grains. Rice, oats, barley, and buckwheat would all be examples of whole grains. Most vegetarian diets include a sizable amount of whole grains as their base.
Vegetables. Of course, a vegetarian diet is going to include vegetables! And it should because vegetables are great for you! They’re packed full of nutrients, fiber, and generally low in calories. Most people could stand to eat more veggies. If you find yourself not being able to stomach greens, I got you. Check out this post for tips on how to turn around any vegetable hater.
Legumes. Beans, lentils, and soy make up the legume family. If you’re following a plant-based or vegan diet, legumes would be a great way to get protein (more on this to follow).
Fruit. Bananas, apples, and oranges all come from plants, so all are vegetarian-friendly. While high in fructose (sugar), they are also nutrient dense. Our general stance on fruit around these parts is to eat “in moderation.”
Nuts and seeds. Again, they come from plants, so almonds, cashews, and pumpkin seeds are good to go on any vegetarian plan you pick. So is quinoa, which although is often thought of as a grain, is actually a seed. Mind=blown.
Nuts and seeds, although high in fat and calories, are another great way to get protein on a Plant-Based Diet.
No matter what type of vegetarian diet you pick, you’d be free to eat the above (provided they fit into your current nutrition goals – but I’ll get to that shortly).
The below will depend on what kind of vegetarianism you are trying. We may be stepping into controversial waters (remember, don’t shoot the messenger) with the following:
Eggs. Eggs are a great source of vitamin B12 and protein, which will become important in a section further down.
Dairy. Whether or not you consume dairy will be determined by your specific strain of plant-based nutrition. On the one hand, it’s from an animal (moo). On the other hand, dairy can be full of nutrients that might be harder to source from only plants, like omega-3s and calcium.
Fish. Look, I get it. Fish are animals, so technically not allowed on a vegetarian diet. However, if you eat a mostly-Plant-Based Diet that includes a little fish, it wouldn’t be too different from a Mediterranean Diet. There are a lot worse ways to eat than like the Mediterraneans. And as mentioned earlier, depending on who you talk to, being pescatarian could be a form of a Plant-Based Diet.
That’s a lot of the major food groups when it comes to plant-based eating.
So here’s all you need to remember:
Whatever form of vegetarianism you may pick, stick to REAL food whenever possible.
Pinto beans, asparagus, apples, and quinoa would all be examples of real food. These are nutrient-dense foods that will keep you full and energized throughout your day. Deep fried cheese balls, donuts, and candy bars are examples of “plant-based, but not real” food.
And I’ll give out a warning on processed vegan junk food in a moment.
For now, there may be a question you are thinking.
It’s one of the most common ones we get when it comes to eating a vegetarian or vegan diet.
WILL A VEGETARIAN OR VEGAN DIET HELP ME LOSE WEIGHT?
…MAYBE!
There are plenty of examples of people losing weight on a Plant-Based Diet.[5]
However, there are also stories of the opposite where people gained body fat when going vegan.[6]
However, anecdotal evidence isn’t science.
What does the research say?
If you look at studies on the subject, there’s nothing here that will surprise us: plant-based calories count just as much as animal-based calories.[7]
There are some studies which show the success of veganism compared to omnivore diets for weight loss.[8] Then there are others showing that a diet including meat outperforms vegan diets for trimming body fat.[9]
Depending on who you’re trying to impress, you can find six studies that say vegans will lose more weight than meat eaters, or half a dozen studies that show vegans will lose less weight.
It honestly doesn’t matter, because when it comes to weight loss, it comes down to calories, calories, calories.
Oh and calories. Did I mention calories?
Put bluntly, if you’re not losing weight, you’re consuming too many calories.
It doesn’t matter if they’re vegan or vegetarian or Paleo or certified organic. Check out our “Why can’t I lose weight?” article to learn the science behind why!
Let’s get to the point: You’re here, you’re eating plants, and you want to lose weight. So here’s how to do it.
If you typically ate a standard American diet filled with burgers and french fries, and then moved to salads? Yeah, I’d imagine that you would lose weight – simply because you’re now eating fewer calories than you were eating in the past.
However, if you go from scarfing down normal burgers to scarfing down an Impossible Burger or a vegan burger? Maybe not.[10]
Let’s take a look:
An Impossible Burger’s three-ounce patty has 220 calories.
A three-ounce regular beef patty has about 205 calories.
The Impossible Burger is made with wheat protein, coconut oil, potato protein and heme (a molecule found in plants and animals). So it’s very calorically dense.
Moral of the story: don’t assume that food without any meat in it will have fewer calories in it.
While there are plenty of nuances, when it comes to weight loss, calories in and calories out plays a major role in whether or not you are successful.
Just because something is vegan doesn’t mean it’s necessarily healthy. As someone pointed out in our private Facebook Academy group, “Oreos are vegan.”
If you don’t plan properly, you could be deluding yourself into thinking veganism will be a weight loss strategy.
I know that adopting a new lifestyle can be challenging, especially if you’re really busy. Whether it’s veganism, a low-carb diet, or trying to build muscle, embarking on a new habit can be tough if you don’t know what to do.
Weight-loss, no matter which strategy you pick, can be a hard road to follow.
I want you to know that you’re not alone, we’re here to help. We offer a 1-on-1 Online Coaching Program to help busy people like you embark on complete life overhauls. We can help you with dietary changes, exercise, and accountability so you can create new healthy habits that fit into your chaotic day-to-day life!
If you’re thinking about a Plant-Based Diet for weight loss, we can help you switch to a less restrictive diet over time. Slow and steady is our preferred approach.
If you’d like to learn more, click on the big image below:
DO I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING ENOUGH PROTEIN WHEN EATING A PLANT-BASED DIET?
Contrary to popular belief, you CAN get enough protein when following a Plant-Based Diet.
However, protein consumption SHOULD be something that’s prioritized if you’re trying to lose weight, build muscle, and be healthier. What we call “protein” is actually a combination of different amino acids. There are 20 or so amino acids that we use to build muscle and keep our organs functioning.
Nine of these amino acids our body can’t produce itself, so we need to get them through food.
Getting all nine is important, because these amino acids do everything from build and repair muscle tissue (which is HUGE for strength training), run our metabolism, and even help our genes function correctly.[11]
All nine are found together in all forms of meat. When you eat a piece of chicken, you are getting all nine.
When it comes to non-animal sources, most plants will generally be missing one or two of these nine essential amino acids.[12]
Soy might be the best way to get all nine together in one plant; however, soy doesn’t seem to provide the same biological functionality as dairy or eggs.[13]
You can overcome this small challenge easily by varying your dietary choices.
Let’s look at the most common example:
Beans are low in the amino acid methionine, while high in the amino acid lysine.
Conversely, rice is low in lysine but high in methionine.
Eat them together, and you’ve covered any amino acid deficiency![14]
To recap: if you eat some kind of unprocessed starch (rice, corn, potatoes, beans), combined with some fruits and vegetables during the day, you’ll be covered.[15] The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics explains “Protein from a variety of plant foods, eaten during the course of a day, supplies enough of all indispensable (essential) amino acids when caloric requirements are met.[16]
Did you catch that caveat?
As long as you are meeting your calorie requirements from “plant foods,” you’ll get all your necessary amino acids. But this only works if your calories are coming from plants, not cookies.
I’ll say it again: EAT REAL FOOD.
Eating a variety of foods will help build up a diversified nutrient profile, including amino acids. Oats with one meal, lentils with the next, and rice with dinner, for example.
This would be a better strategy than just living off soy.
And DEFINITELY better off than living off of Soylent Green…
To recap this section: vegetarians can get plenty of protein. It just really depends on what they are eating.
So why are we focusing so much on protein?
Because, muscles.
CAN I BUILD MUSCLE ON A PLANT-BASED DIET?
Look in the right places and have the right conversations, and you’ll be able to find uber successful plant-based athletes that have built plenty of muscle.
For example, Danielle Sidell is a CrossFit athlete who follows a 100% Plant-Based Diet:
View this post on Instagram
A post shared by Danielle Sidell M.S. (@dani_sidell) on Jan 14, 2019 at 10:26am PST
David Carter, a defensive lineman in the NFL, calls himself “The 300-Pound Vegan.”
View this post on Instagram
A post shared by David Carter (@iamdavidhcarter) on Apr 30, 2018 at 7:22pm PDT
Let’s not forget about Jeremy Reijnders, another CrossFit athlete and vegan proponent:
View this post on Instagram
A post shared by Jeremy Reijnders (@jeremyreijnders) on Jan 29, 2018 at 11:08am PST
And one last example to round things out: Joe Venus, a vegan bodybuilder who gets anywhere from 80-180 grams of protein daily through big meals.[17]
View this post on Instagram
A post shared by Jon Venus (@jonvenus) on Jan 31, 2019 at 12:40pm..
http://bit.ly/2Sz95DY
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How to Eat a Plant-Based Diet: A Scientific Look at Going Vegan Safely
So you’re interested in eating only plants, eh?
Well, you’ve come to the right place to learn all about it. I’ve seen many people over the years have success with a Plant-Based Diet.
Truth be told though, I’ve seen many people also struggle with it too.
(After all, donuts are “plant-based” and pizza just got declared “a vegetable”).
There is definitely a right way and a wrong way to embark on eliminating animal products from your diet.
Today, I’ll share with you how to safely and correctly follow a plant-based menu and still hit your goals.
Now, although I’ve been running this site for 10 years, I may be drawing a large target on my back by diving headfirst into a topic I’ve thus far avoided.
As a blogger, if you want to tenfold your hate mail, take a stance on a Plant-Based Diet.
And saying ANYTHING about veganism – for OR against – is an easy way to get virtual produce tossed at you.
Although most people discover Nerd Fitness through our guides on Paleo or Keto, we get SO many questions on how to eat a Plant-Based Diet that I figured I’d give my two cents.
With pop stars and famous directors advising folks to try veganism, these inquiries are only going to increase.[1]
So today, we are going to talk about how to eat a Plant-Based Diet safely.
The right way, and the wrong way, to go vegan or vegetarian.
BIG ASS CAVEAT: I’m not going to try to convince you to give up meat. If you’re reading this, I’ll assume you’re here because you’re interested in doing so, and want to know the best path through it.
The politics, controversy (yes, I’ve read the China Study[2]), and geopolitical impact of veganism are beyond the scope of this article. I’m just a nerd who studies the hell outta health and wellness and sometimes wears pants.[3]
So setting all the controversy aside, I want to explore the science and the “how to” for people who are heading down this path.
If you are going to eat a plant-based or vegan diet, what’s the best way to do it?
What are tips and tricks to make it sustainable?
Is it as easy as “stop eating meat?”
Is there any unsafe way to eat only plants?
Let’s goooooo!
WHAT EXACTLY IS A PLANT-BASED DIET?
There are quite a few different versions of a Plant-Based Diet.
It’ll be good to start with some definitions so we land on the same page.
According to the Vegetarian Society, a vegetarian is someone who “does not eat foods that consist of, or have been produced with the aid of products consisting of or created from, any part of the body of a living or dead animal.”[4]
So NO eating:
Meat
Poultry
Fish
Shellfish
Insects
Instead, vegetarians DO eat:
Grains
Legumes
Nuts
Seeds
Vegetables (duh)
Fruits
Fungi
Plants, more or less.
“Vegetarian” can be a broader term for more specific examples of plant-based eating. Some examples would be:
Lacto-ovo-vegetarians is someone who doesn’t eat animal flesh but does eat dairy and eggs. This is the most common type of vegetarian.
Lacto vegetarians don’t eat eggs but do eat dairy.
Ovo vegetarians avoid all animals products, with the exception of eggs.
Vegans avoid all animal products, including dairy and eggs and even things like honey. If it came from an animal, it’s not a part of a vegan diet. Some even take it one step further and eat only a “raw vegan” diet, where the plants consumed are not cooked prior to consumption.
The above are the most common forms of Plant-Based Diets, but there are others!
A pescatarian is someone who consumes no animal products except fish and shellfish.
A flexitarian is someone who follows a vegetarian diet a majority of the time, but who will occasionally eat meat.
Now granted, neither pescatarians nor flexitarians are technically vegetarians because both contain animal products on the menu.
However, they are mostly plant-based, so worth mentioning – especially if somebody is doing this in an attempt to be healthier.
There are many more considerations and labels, which can tackle a lot of the ethical stances around being vegan: not wearing animal products, the treatment of animals, etc.
To be blunt, this is outside the scope of this article.
I’m only interested in “If you are going to eat only plants, how do you do it?” So we’ll politely ignore clothing, testing, and captivity for this article.
Which brings us to…
WHAT DO YOU EAT ON A PLANT-BASED DIET? WHAT’S ON A VEGAN MENU?
What you can or cannot eat on a Plant-Based Diet depends a lot on what kind of vegetarianism you follow.
Eggs and dairy, for example, may or may not be included. It really comes down to what path you are choosing.
There are some general food groups we can consider as universal no matter what form of vegetarianism you follow.
A Plant-Based Diet will include the following foods:
Whole grains. Rice, oats, barley, and buckwheat would all be examples of whole grains. Most vegetarian diets include a sizable amount of whole grains as their base.
Vegetables. Of course, a vegetarian diet is going to include vegetables! And it should because vegetables are great for you! They’re packed full of nutrients, fiber, and generally low in calories. Most people could stand to eat more veggies. If you find yourself not being able to stomach greens, I got you. Check out this post for tips on how to turn around any vegetable hater.
Legumes. Beans, lentils, and soy make up the legume family. If you’re following a plant-based or vegan diet, legumes would be a great way to get protein (more on this to follow).
Fruit. Bananas, apples, and oranges all come from plants, so all are vegetarian-friendly. While high in fructose (sugar), they are also nutrient dense. Our general stance on fruit around these parts is to eat “in moderation.”
Nuts and seeds. Again, they come from plants, so almonds, cashews, and pumpkin seeds are good to go on any vegetarian plan you pick. So is quinoa, which although is often thought of as a grain, is actually a seed. Mind=blown.
Nuts and seeds, although high in fat and calories, are another great way to get protein on a Plant-Based Diet.
No matter what type of vegetarian diet you pick, you’d be free to eat the above (provided they fit into your current nutrition goals – but I’ll get to that shortly).
The below will depend on what kind of vegetarianism you are trying. We may be stepping into controversial waters (remember, don’t shoot the messenger) with the following:
Eggs. Eggs are a great source of vitamin B12 and protein, which will become important in a section further down.
Dairy. Whether or not you consume dairy will be determined by your specific strain of plant-based nutrition. On the one hand, it’s from an animal (moo). On the other hand, dairy can be full of nutrients that might be harder to source from only plants, like omega-3s and calcium.
Fish. Look, I get it. Fish are animals, so technically not allowed on a vegetarian diet. However, if you eat a mostly-Plant-Based Diet that includes a little fish, it wouldn’t be too different from a Mediterranean Diet. There are a lot worse ways to eat than like the Mediterraneans. And as mentioned earlier, depending on who you talk to, being pescatarian could be a form of a Plant-Based Diet.
That’s a lot of the major food groups when it comes to plant-based eating.
So here’s all you need to remember:
Whatever form of vegetarianism you may pick, stick to REAL food whenever possible.
Pinto beans, asparagus, apples, and quinoa would all be examples of real food. These are nutrient-dense foods that will keep you full and energized throughout your day. Deep fried cheese balls, donuts, and candy bars are examples of “plant-based, but not real” food.
And I’ll give out a warning on processed vegan junk food in a moment.
For now, there may be a question you are thinking.
It’s one of the most common ones we get when it comes to eating a vegetarian or vegan diet.
WILL A VEGETARIAN OR VEGAN DIET HELP ME LOSE WEIGHT?
…MAYBE!
There are plenty of examples of people losing weight on a Plant-Based Diet.[5]
However, there are also stories of the opposite where people gained body fat when going vegan.[6]
However, anecdotal evidence isn’t science.
What does the research say?
If you look at studies on the subject, there’s nothing here that will surprise us: plant-based calories count just as much as animal-based calories.[7]
There are some studies which show the success of veganism compared to omnivore diets for weight loss.[8] Then there are others showing that a diet including meat outperforms vegan diets for trimming body fat.[9]
Depending on who you’re trying to impress, you can find six studies that say vegans will lose more weight than meat eaters, or half a dozen studies that show vegans will lose less weight.
It honestly doesn’t matter, because when it comes to weight loss, it comes down to calories, calories, calories.
Oh and calories. Did I mention calories?
Put bluntly, if you’re not losing weight, you’re consuming too many calories.
It doesn’t matter if they’re vegan or vegetarian or Paleo or certified organic. Check out our “Why can’t I lose weight?” article to learn the science behind why!
Let’s get to the point: You’re here, you’re eating plants, and you want to lose weight. So here’s how to do it.
If you typically ate a standard American diet filled with burgers and french fries, and then moved to salads? Yeah, I’d imagine that you would lose weight – simply because you’re now eating fewer calories than you were eating in the past.
However, if you go from scarfing down normal burgers to scarfing down an Impossible Burger or a vegan burger? Maybe not.[10]
Let’s take a look:
An Impossible Burger’s three-ounce patty has 220 calories.
A three-ounce regular beef patty has about 205 calories.
The Impossible Burger is made with wheat protein, coconut oil, potato protein and heme (a molecule found in plants and animals). So it’s very calorically dense.
Moral of the story: don’t assume that food without any meat in it will have fewer calories in it.
While there are plenty of nuances, when it comes to weight loss, calories in and calories out plays a major role in whether or not you are successful.
Just because something is vegan doesn’t mean it’s necessarily healthy. As someone pointed out in our private Facebook Academy group, “Oreos are vegan.”
If you don’t plan properly, you could be deluding yourself into thinking veganism will be a weight loss strategy.
I know that adopting a new lifestyle can be challenging, especially if you’re really busy. Whether it’s veganism, a low-carb diet, or trying to build muscle, embarking on a new habit can be tough if you don’t know what to do.
Weight-loss, no matter which strategy you pick, can be a hard road to follow.
I want you to know that you’re not alone, we’re here to help. We offer a 1-on-1 Online Coaching Program to help busy people like you embark on complete life overhauls. We can help you with dietary changes, exercise, and accountability so you can create new healthy habits that fit into your chaotic day-to-day life!
If you’re thinking about a Plant-Based Diet for weight loss, we can help you switch to a less restrictive diet over time. Slow and steady is our preferred approach.
If you’d like to learn more, click on the big image below:
DO I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING ENOUGH PROTEIN WHEN EATING A PLANT-BASED DIET?
Contrary to popular belief, you CAN get enough protein when following a Plant-Based Diet.
However, protein consumption SHOULD be something that’s prioritized if you’re trying to lose weight, build muscle, and be healthier. What we call “protein” is actually a combination of different amino acids. There are 20 or so amino acids that we use to build muscle and keep our organs functioning.
Nine of these amino acids our body can’t produce itself, so we need to get them through food.
Getting all nine is important, because these amino acids do everything from build and repair muscle tissue (which is HUGE for strength training), run our metabolism, and even help our genes function correctly.[11]
All nine are found together in all forms of meat. When you eat a piece of chicken, you are getting all nine.
When it comes to non-animal sources, most plants will generally be missing one or two of these nine essential amino acids.[12]
Soy might be the best way to get all nine together in one plant; however, soy doesn’t seem to provide the same biological functionality as dairy or eggs.[13]
You can overcome this small challenge easily by varying your dietary choices.
Let’s look at the most common example:
Beans are low in the amino acid methionine, while high in the amino acid lysine.
Conversely, rice is low in lysine but high in methionine.
Eat them together, and you’ve covered any amino acid deficiency![14]
To recap: if you eat some kind of unprocessed starch (rice, corn, potatoes, beans), combined with some fruits and vegetables during the day, you’ll be covered.[15] The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics explains “Protein from a variety of plant foods, eaten during the course of a day, supplies enough of all indispensable (essential) amino acids when caloric requirements are met.[16]
Did you catch that caveat?
As long as you are meeting your calorie requirements from “plant foods,” you’ll get all your necessary amino acids. But this only works if your calories are coming from plants, not cookies.
I’ll say it again: EAT REAL FOOD.
Eating a variety of foods will help build up a diversified nutrient profile, including amino acids. Oats with one meal, lentils with the next, and rice with dinner, for example.
This would be a better strategy than just living off soy.
And DEFINITELY better off than living off of Soylent Green…
To recap this section: vegetarians can get plenty of protein. It just really depends on what they are eating.
So why are we focusing so much on protein?
Because, muscles.
CAN I BUILD MUSCLE ON A PLANT-BASED DIET?
Look in the right places and have the right conversations, and you’ll be able to find uber successful plant-based athletes that have built plenty of muscle.
For example, Danielle Sidell is a CrossFit athlete who follows a 100% Plant-Based Diet:
View this post on Instagram
A post shared by Danielle Sidell M.S. (@dani_sidell) on Jan 14, 2019 at 10:26am PST
David Carter, a defensive lineman in the NFL, calls himself “The 300-Pound Vegan.”
View this post on Instagram
A post shared by David Carter (@iamdavidhcarter) on Apr 30, 2018 at 7:22pm PDT
Let’s not forget about Jeremy Reijnders, another CrossFit athlete and vegan proponent:
View this post on Instagram
A post shared by Jeremy Reijnders (@jeremyreijnders) on Jan 29, 2018 at 11:08am PST
And one last example to round things out: Joe Venus, a vegan bodybuilder who gets anywhere from 80-180 grams of protein daily through big meals.[17]
View this post on Instagram
A post shared by Jon Venus (@jonvenus) on Jan 31, 2019 at 12:40pm..
http://bit.ly/2Sz95DY
0 notes