#andor theme

[stealingpotatoes]

What are your thoughts on Andor S2 and THAT ending?

I LOVED IT!! STOP TAKING IT IN BAD FAITH AND THINKING OF IT AS A TROPE, IT’S A CONTINUATION OF THE SHOW’S THEMES/DISCUSSIONS!!!! THAT BABY REPRESENTS THE FUTURE!! IT REPRESENTS THE FACT THAT WHILE CASSIAN’S FIGHTING FOR A SUNRISE HE’LL NEVER SEE, FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL GET TO SEE THAT SUNRISE!!!!!! SAME AS KLEYA GETS TO SEE THE SUNRISE!!! ITS ABT THE THEMES!!!!!!!!! ITS NOT A DUMB TRAGIC TROPE!!!!!!!!!!!

[slugg-it-out]

its too late senator! ive depicted myself as chad-sian Andor and you are Mon Moth-mald! welcome to the rebellion.

[chamerionwrites]

Aside from the Ghorman Massacre and the leadup to it (whew) the part of Andor S2 that most hits for me personally is Mon's extraction from the senate. Partly because it's a pretty solid tense-espionage-plot sequence and that's my jam.

But primarily because, on a spiritual level, that's a Rogue One Hallway Scene to me. Literally none of it works without a double handful of small, brave acts of resistance lining up exactly right. Mon never even takes the senate floor if Bail and that other senator aren't working the procedural rules. Nobody outside the chamber even SEES the speech if a couple of unnamed maintenance technicians aren't acing the malicious compliance game. It's possible Luthen never even sends Cassian on the mission if Lonni doesn't warn him there's a mole in the other extraction team. Cassian never gets close to Mon if her aide (on a technicality because she FIRED him like two hours ago) doesn't lead him through the building and loan Cassian his credentials. It's possible nobody gets out of the building alive if that same aide doesn't (1) put himself in the line of fire to distract the ISB agent and then (2) pick up her blaster and volunteer - in his formal civilian robes and slightly shaking voice - to stay behind and hold that gun on the guards and delay the moment they call in Mon's escape.

Something something collective resistance, something something revolution as a relay race, something something Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere and even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward...Remember this: try.

[spaceprincessleia]

Vel and Cinta in Andor 2x03 | Harvest

[chipthekeeper]

hot gfs doing hot gf shit (stealing from the empire)(again)

[enigmaticexplorer]

I finished Andor Season 2 last night.

It's wild how the final shot of the last episode just made one of the major themes in my favorite Star Wars movie obsolete.

I can’t remember the last time I’ve felt this betrayed. 

After nine years, we’re now told that the "real" tragedy of Rogue One is that Cassian is a father but will never get to meet his child. That Cassian's sacrifice now has "real" meaning because he has someone who will remember him and keep his "legacy" alive.

And it's so fucked up.

Rogue One was always tragic because these rebels had no one—no one to remember them, no one to keep their legacies alive—except for each other. And yet they still chose to sacrifice themselves for a greater cause.

The real tragedy of Rogue One is that these rebels sacrificed themselves knowing they wouldn't get to live in the world they fought for.

The real tragedy is these rebels not even knowing if their efforts will help others—will save the galaxy.

The real tragedy is Jyn and Cassian finding each other, choosing one another in the end, but not having enough time to be together.

By making Cassian a father in Andor, the original tragedy of Rogue One is meaningless. 

And so is one of Rogue One's major themes: a theme that says that your life has meaning—your life has purpose—even when you sacrifice yourself. A theme that says you sacrifice yourself for a cause, not because you expect to be remembered, and not because you expect to reap the benefits, but because it's the right thing to do.

That's the point of the movie.

And at the end of Rogue One, in that final scene on Scarif's beach, Jyn and Cassian had chosen to be together. They had no one but each other. They knew that they would be forgotten, and that their sacrifices would never be written in history. And they had accepted that—and they had accepted each other.

Now, that scene is meaningless. Because Cassian has a child who will carry on his "legacy"—who will remember him.

For weeks, I’ve been looking forward to watching Rogue One upon completing Andor. But now...what’s the point? 

The story's been broken by its very own creator. 

[toastytrusty]

i think it finally clicked what about cassian and luthen's relationship i find so compelling. when cassian officially joined the rebellion at the end of season one, he effectively surrendered all of his autonomy to luthen. "kill me or take me in." he literally put his life in luthen's hands. he clearly had very little will to live, and beyond giving luthen the choice to kill him, he gave luthen the choice to give him purpose again. and not Just purpose, either, but full control over the rest of his life, as well. he became part of the cause because he felt he had nothing else left, and was either going to effectively kill himself, or let someone else dictate every single thing he does until he dies anyway, now with a reason behind it, now able to plausibly deny it being wanted. it's simultaneously an admittance of defeat, where he is telling luthen that he won, and an act of defiance, where he is challenging luthen to discard him rather than use him. and obviously luthen would rather use him.

but then there is the bix aspect. cassian's hopelessness at the end of s1 implies that he did not, at that point, see bix as an adequate reason to keep going. not as a reason to stay alive, not as a reason to stay present in anyone else's life. it was not worth remaining an individual, for her sake or his own. and obviously a lot of that is from the insane depressive grief that the whole Ordeal of s1 + losing maarva was. but still. he was very closed off, and singlemindedly thinking about his own ability to give himself to the rebellion. which makes his protectiveness over her in s2 all the more compelling. he is repeatedly getting worked up over her well-being, and acting out in ways that are possibly jeopardizing to the rebellion. it's such a fascinating transition, and regardless of how they got there again, i think in season 2, cassian sees bix as his last place to be human. the one person in the galaxy he can be an individual with, rather than a tool. which is why, in my current, ever-evolving understanding of these characters, i think he gets so contradictory and confused about what he wants from her. he wants her to be strong and a soldier so they can go to war together, because the war is so terribly important to him, but he also wants her to prioritize her own safety over anything else and never put herself at risk, because if he loses her he loses himself. this is necessarily the conflict between them.

which comes to the incredible exchange between cassian and luthen about bix in episode 6 of s2, where we can see how much this conflcit is affecting cassian. he can't stand that luthen is potentially putting bix in danger, and can't stand that luthen is treating them like droids, rather than people. but then. then luthen Reminds cassian. he reminds cassian that he already surrendered his autonomy. he already surrendered his individuality. "we're not who we were when we started." cassian chose this; chose to change for this, chose to give up being a person for this. he doesn't get to now choose to put bix, his one haven, over it. she needs to be able to handle herself, because cassian asserting himself by worrying about her compromises their entire system. "you will have to decide when it becomes too large a problem." but cassian's response is the most important part: "no. that's gonna be up to you." he's essentially turning it back on luthen. if luthen expects him to remain compliant in the way his role calls for, then luthen needs to be fullfilling his side of it, and making sure cassian has an environment that he Can remain compliant in, without compromising anything. "you want my blood? you help me solve this." he is finally standing his ground on something to luthen, asserting himself in a way that is basically begging luthen to let him submit again. he wants to be part of the cause; he still wants to be able to lose himself in it, but he also needs bix, and will not give up the life he knows is possible to share with her.

[orangelamp42]

andor has not one not two but THREE mean lesbians and that’s what makes it peak television

[oatshow]

who wants to get sad :) (while you're here check out my Comms)

[vesper-1898]

I had to change the first image because I dont even think he knew giving her a proper arc was an option.

[kyluxtrashpit]

Sorry for being the way I am lmao, but I cannot believe andor s2 has me jealous of sad cereal man. How did this happen. This is exactly how I want a woman to treat me. How dare he have what I want

[ahsoka-in-a-hood]

apropos of nothing isn't it tragic how it took like fifteen years for the resistance to really get it together. You know? Like, it's already a tragedy that Palpatine got all those emergency powers and made himself emperor and all that jazz, but isn't it also terribly sad that it went on for over a decade before the rebel alliance got organized enough to defeat him. Maybe there's a lesson in there somewhere! I mean it's never too late to start but it's never too early either! Letting the empire normalize itself at all probably set resistance back a lot! It's great that they destroyed the Death Star but it's a tragedy that it was ever deployed at all and it took 19 years of empire to build. Remember Alderaan? :| Alderaan got blown up. Procrastination kills

[tangents-within-tangents]

Thinking about the song "Ship in Port" by Radical Face and clones

Thinking about the line "Farewell to the chains we were born into" and what that can mean for the clones

Thinking about how "But I have always stayed in place/Under that old illusion that it's safe" could equally describe Hunter, Echo, and (s1+2) Crosshair's complete opposite approaches to the Empire and post-war life.

The way Crosshair clings to his identity as a soldier of the Empire

And Echo as a soldier of the Republic

But Hunter puts his identity as a soldier behind him

Crosshair fights for the Empire to gain purpose

Echo fights against the Empire to save his brothers

And Hunter decides the Empire is too strong to even try to oppose

"A ship in port is a safer one"

"but it's not the reason it was made"

"So forgive me if I wander off"

"And forgive me more if I just stay"

Thinking about what The Bad Batch could have been if it had more fully explored the differences between those ideologies

(Thinking about what The Bad Batch could have been if it had dedicated more screen time to the 'reg' clones within the Empire and the underground network's fight to free them , instead of just sidelining Echo and Rex for a hypothetical clone rebellion show we might never get)

[darewitchstr]

So far, I really, really really, love this new season of Andor. I can't help saying "it's so pretty" at every shot, every planet feels so alive and lived-in, i'm really invested in all the stories right now, the writing is just as good as the first season was which was not a given considering how high the bar had been set.

Like, listen, Andor is on my list of favorite tv shows of all time, and i'm so appreciative by how much like home it felt stepping back in it. There's something rare nowadays about tv shows you can just trust to get you where it's needed and Andor remains one of them.

[toastytrusty]

to elaborate on my last post abt leftist/non leftist takes in andor. the entire show has complex political storytelling None of it can be discussed solely through story archetypes of "good" and "evil." for example syril's character. he did not have a "redemption arc." you are not supposed to "forgive him." he is killed (by one of the people he oppressed!) because his actions are unforgivable and that is the narrative justice he deserves. the audience being encouraged to sympathize with him does not equate to him displaying "the good within evil."

the point of his character arc is that humanity does not survive under fascism. he is an antagonist, yes, but he is just as much a victim of the *real* enemy of the narrative (fascism!) as every other character in the show is. everyone suffers under fascism, even those who serve it. his individuality is stripped from him; he is conditioned to obey, to further the goals of his superiors, to place career ambitions over everything, all without questioning why. which leads him to participating in things he does not agree with. when he learns what's really happening on ghorman, his worldview is shattered. he was raised to believe the empire is infallible, and discouraged from developing his own opinions. but he does. he does, because he's human, and the people he meets there are human, and when he is faced with it, he cannot fathom the violence he has helped inflict upon them. that is his own tragedy, and a tragedy shared among the little people who serve at the behest of an imperial machine. when they realize how much damage they have done it's too late. it's not redemption, it's recognition. in an ultimate form, it would be acceptance. (think the imperial lieutenant double agent from the aldhani arc in s1. "you'll hang for this" "7 years serving you? i deserve worse than that") there is no good and evil dichotomy to be found here, no matter how nuanced you try and make it. andor is a show about victims, not heroes. you can't place the actions of characters in vacuums without reconizing that they are REactions, and everything they do is just as important as what is being done to them

[cowplantblues]

I can’t believe Star Wars made their own La Marseilles