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The Epic Codependency of Sam and Dean Winchester
• Dean went and got Sam from Stanford not because he needed Sam’s help finding John but simply because he wanted Sam with him 1.01
• Dean threw himself off a bridge just because that’s what Sam appeared to be doing 1.01
• Sam knew immediately when Dean was really a shifter 1.06
• “We accept homeowners of any race, religion, color… or sexuality.” -Larry and Lynda @ Sam & Dean 1.08
• Sam felt no guilt over someone having to die in order for Dean’s life to be saved 1.12
• “A king or two queens?” -Michael “Two queens.” -Dean “Yeah, I’ll bet.” -Michael 1.18
• Dean no longer wanted to hunt down the thing that killed Mary if it meant Sam dying 1.21
• Dean wasted one of the 3 remaining bullets for the colt on a low-level demon who was attacking Sam 1.22
• Sam blindly trusts Dean when he says John is possessed 1.22
• Sam and Dean coming up with identical cover stories and coming to the same conclusion re: “Dana Schulps” clue while separated during a hunt 2.07
• Dean gave Baby to a stranger and locked himself in with a Croatoan-infected Sam, ready to kill Sam then himself once Sam went rabid(or let rabid!Sam infect him too so they’d be monsters together) 2.09
• “So, uh, ..king-sized bed?” -Susan “No no, we’re uh.. 2 singles. We’re just brothers.” -Sam 2.11
• “Bonny to your Clyde” -Hendrickson @ Dean about Sam 2.12
• Dean was willing to cover up a murder Sam may have committed 2.14
• “You two are bickering like an old married couple.” -Bobby @ Sam & Dean 2.15
• Dean’s current relationship with Sam was more important to him than the normal life he could’ve had if Mary never died 2.20
• Dean cared more about Sam going to law school and marrying Jess than he did about any of what he had purely for himself(his job and gf) in his Djinn fantasy 2.20
• When Lily opened up to Sam about accidentally killing her girlfriend, Sam empathized with her by bringing up how Dean might be dead(for all he knew) instead of bringing up Jessica’s death(which he canonically blamed himself for) 2.21
• “Something big’s going down, Dean. End-of-the-world big.” -Bobby “Well then, let it end!” -Dean after Sam died 2.22
• Dean sold his soul to bring Sam back from the dead (which lead to him breaking the first seal kicking off the apocalypse) 2.22
• Ruby used Sam’s fear of losing Dean then grief after his death to manipulate him 3.02/3.16/4.09
• Sam was willing to bleed an innocent human dry in order to summon the trickster to bring Dean back 3.11
• Sam was willing to become an organ-harvesting immortal to keep Dean from dying and going to hell 3.15
• “Whatever the magic pill is, I’ll take it too!” -Sam “What is this, Sid and Nancy?” -Dean 3.15
• “Sammy, all I’m saying is you’re my weak spot. You are. And I’m yours.” -Dean 3.16
• Sam tried to open the gate to hell (risking letting more demons into the world) to save Dean 4.01
• Sam tried to sell his soul multiple times to get Dean back from hell 4.01/4.09
• “Are you two like…together?” -Ruby 4.01
• “You don’t need me. You and Ruby go hunt demons.” -Dean being more jealous of Ruby than suspicious 4.04
• Dean willingly handed Anna over to the angels who wanted to kill her because they threatened to send Sam to hell if he didn’t 4.10
• Dean’s siren was an idealized version of Sam 4.14
• Sam consumed more demon blood than normal to kill Alistair and save Dean (it’s likely that this was the turning point when Sam became addicted) 4.16
• Dean knows Sam’s habits so well that he’s able to track him down even when Sam’s trying to do the opposite of what he thinks Dean would expect him to do 4.21
• Sam hunted down Lilith to avenge Dean (which lead to breaking the final seal releasing Lucifer) 4.09/4.22
• “Whatever we have between us, love, family, whatever it is..” -Dean to Sam 5.04
• future!Dean was willing to sacrifice all his friends (including Cass) to avenge Sam 5.04
• Dean prevented the endverse future simply by reconnecting with Sam 5.04
• “We’re all we’ve got. More than that, we keep each other human.” -Dean to Sam 5.04
• “The relationship that you have with your brother seems dangerously codependent.” -Dr. Fuller to Dean 5.11
• Sam and Dean are soulmates with a shared heaven 5.16
• “Sam and Dean are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other” -Zachariah 5.18
• Dean decided against saying yes to Michael because he didn’t want to let Sam down 5.18
• Dean prioritized helping Sam over Adam in the beautiful room and it led to Michael taking Adam as his vessel 5.18
• Dean was ready to die with Sam/let Lucifer beat him to death if Sam couldn’t regain control of his body 5.22
• Sam’s love for Dean gave him the strength to overcome Lucifer 5.22
• “Dean didn't want Cas to save him. Every part of him, every fiber he's got, wants to die, or find a way to bring Sam back.” -Chuck voiceover 5.22
• Having a normal apple-pie life means nothing to Dean if Sam isn’t alive to be part of it. -> “I wanted my brother! Alive!” -Dean / “Had I shown up, Dean, you would have just run off(away from Lisa and Ben).” -Sam 6.01
• “That woman and that kid; I only went to them because you asked me too!” & “I showed up on their doorstep half out of my head with grief. God knows why they even let me in. I drank too much. I had nightmares. I looked everywhere. I collected hundreds of books, trying to find anything to bust you out.” -Dean to Sam 6.01
• Dean chose hunting full-time with Sam over staying with Lisa and Ben 6.02
• “The minute Sam walked through that door, I knew. It was over. You two have the most unhealthy, tangled-up, crazy thing I’ve ever seen.” -Lisa about Dean and Sam 6.06
• “Mallory to your Micky” -Veritas to Sam about Dean 6.06
• Dean died to make a deal with Death to save Sam’s soul from the cage and in doing so chose Sam over Adam 6.11
• Sam took on his cage memories so Dean wouldn’t be left alone 6.22
• Dean became Sam’s stone number 1 when he was having trouble telling what was real 7.02
• Sam and Dean each quickly recognized each others leviathan doppelgängers 7.06
• Sam’s grief over losing Dean is paralleled to Amelia’s grief over losing her husband, both believe their loved one is dead, both get their loved one back. s8 Flashbacks
• “Is it just me or are you getting a workplace-romance vibe from those two?” -Michael & “Dude, they just sat and talked about how they have been apart for a year. You were probably right about that whole office-romance thing.” -Brian about Sam and Dean 8.04
• Sam chooses Dean over Amelia 8.10
• Dean chooses to take on the 3 trials mainly because he doesn’t want Sam to do it and risk his life, he wants Sam to reap the benefits of a demon free world 8.14
• Dean’s perfect ending is simply for Sam to get out of hunting and lead a normal apple-pie life till he’s old and grey 8.14
• “Cass, you got your ears on? Listen, you know I am not one for praying, 'cause in my book it's... it's the same as begging. But this is about Sam, so I need you to hear me.” -Dean 8.16
• Dean killed Benny so Sam could be saved from Purgatory 8.19
• “You two fight like an old married couple.” Charlie to Sam & Dean 8.20
• Dean chose a world with demons over a demon-free world without Sam 8.23
• “You know what I confessed in there? What my greatest sin was? It’s how many times I’ve let you down. I can’t do that again.” -Sam to Dean 8.23
• “Don’t you dare think that there’s anything past or present that I would put in front of you.” -Dean to Sam 8.23
• Dean violated Sam’s trust and autonomy via tricking him into an Angel possession to save his life 9.01
• “There ain’t no me if there ain’t no you!” -Dean to Sam 9.01
• Dean kicked human!Cass -who was being hunted by angels- out of the bunker rendering him homeless so his mere presence wouldn’t drive away the Angel keeping Sam alive 9.03
• Young!Dean gave up a chance at a normal life so he could continue being there for Sam 9.07
• Dean gave Crowley permission to use one of the brothers’ code words to warn Sam about Gadreel 9.10
• Dean didn’t regret letting an Angel into Sam, even though it had resulted in Kevin being killed 9.13
• Sam could break through the MOC hold on Dean like Collette was able to do for Cain 9.16/9.21/10.23
• “You’re lying to Sam like he’s your wife.” - Crowley 9.17
• Sam tricked a man into selling his soul so he could torture the demon for info on where demon!Dean was 10.02/10.03
• “Right now I’m doing all I can not to come over there and rip your throat out…with my teeth.” -Demon!Dean to Sam 10.02
• “What did Sam say? He wanna divorce?” -Dean 10.03
• “I tried to kill him, Cass.” -Dean “It would take a lot more than trying to kill your brother with a hammer to make Sam want to walk away.” -Cass 10.03
• “Homosexual murderers!” -Bev “Like Leopold and Loeb!” -Hetty 10.06
• “Then would come the murder you'd never survive, the one that would finally turn you into as much of a savage as it did me. Your brother, Sam.” -Cain to Dean 10.14
• Sam was willing to bleed himself to death to unlock the Werther Box to get the codex so a cure for Dean could be found in the Book of the Damned 10.19
• Death wanted Sam to be killed because he knew Sam would never stop looking for a way to free Dean from the MOC regardless of the consequences 10.23
• Sam was willing to let Dean kill him so Death would send Dean somewhere he wouldn’t be a danger to anyone due to the MOC 10.23
• Dean killed Death because he couldn’t go through with killing Sam and Death had threatened to do it if he couldn’t 10.23
• Sam’s efforts to get the MOC off Dean result in the Darkness being released 10.23
• “I unleashed a force on this world that could destroy it to save you. And I’d do it again, in a second I’d do it again.” -Sam to Dean 11.01
• Dean: “Where’s Sam?” Crowley: “Don’t worry about Sam.” Dean: “I’m sorry; have you met me?” 11.10
• Dean chose comforting/looking after Sam over helping Cass fight Lucifer in the cage 11.10
• Dean saw a manifestation of dead!Sam(part of his soul in distress) in the soul-eater’s nest 11.16
• Dean killed himself so he could bargain with a reaper to bring Sam back from the dead 11.17
• Because Dean thought Sam was dead, he was ready to let himself (and the couple they were trying to save) be killed by the werewolf pack they’d been hunting 11.17
• Michelle: “I just watched the man I love die; there’s no normal after that.” Dean: *thinking about how he’s just experienced the same thing with Sam except with a different outcome* 11.17
• “You fight like brothers; you’re almost as bad as [me and Sam].” -Dean “Actually, it’s more like an old married couple.” -Caesar 11.19
• Sam got infected by the Darkness fog and Dean abandoned the people they were trying to protect and instead tried to infect himself so he could die with Sam 11.20
• Dean used his relationship with Sam to relate to Amara and get her to reconcile with Chuck 11.23
• Amara in 11.09: *kisses Dean* -> Dean in 11.23 to Amara: “You simply need your brother. I mean, hell, maybe that’s why you wanted me. But deep down, you didn’t really want me…cuz I’m not him.”
• Sam and Mary: *trapped in Asa’s house by a demon* -> Dean: *stuck outside* “Sam! Sammy! Hey!” *after breaking in* “Where’s my brother?” 12.06
• “We’re like the American Oasis.” -Dean comparing himself & Sam to Liam & Noel Gallagher 12.07
• Sam and Dean were each willing to die so the other could escape the federal prison and live on 12.09
• “You know, sometimes me and Sam have got so much going on that…we forget about everyone else.” -Dean to Cass 12.23
• Dean began to warm up to Jack because he saved Sam’s life 13.04
• Sam and Dean were unfazed by being stuck in the Bad Place because they had each other 13.10
• “I don’t care what happens to me. I never really have. But I do care about what happens to my brother.” -Dean 13.20
• “And if we die? We’ll do that together too.” -Sam to Dean 13.20
• Dean went mute after Sam was killed and later set off on a suicide mission to retrieve Sam’s body or die trying 13.21
• Dean said yes to AU!Michael to save Sam from Lucifer 13.23
• Dean knows Bert and Ernie are gay 5.03 and suggests he and Sam dress as them for Halloween 14.04
• Though Dean was unable to take back control or cast Michael out, his resistance due to his attachment to Sam made him enough of a nuisance to Michael that he willingly let Dean go(temporarily) 14.09
• Sam was able to figure out where Michael had Dean trapped in his mind via knowing how Dean could be best subdued/distracted 14.10
• Sam broke through Michael’s hold on Dean with just one word: “Poughkeepsie” 14.10
• Sam was the only one who could talk Dean out of locking himself in the Ma’lak box with Michael for all eternity at the bottom of the ocean 14.12
• The thought of letting Dean down broke Sam free of Chip Harrington’s mind control 14.15
• “We have lost way, way too much. And it’s hard not to feel like just… cashing out. I felt like that. After Chuck, back at the crypt. But you know what brought me back? You did. By sayin’ that what we do still matters.” -Dean to Sam 15.04
• Dean was willing to abandon Cass in Purgatory, so he could get back home before the portal closed and save Sam from Chuck (that’s the only reason he sent up that prayer to Cass) 15.09
• Dean was willing to sacrifice Jack so he and Sam could have a life free of Chuck’s influence/control 15.17
• Dean was willing to trade everyone(who’d be collateral damage if Billie became the new god) except Sam for a shot at getting rid of Chuck 15.17
• Sam broke through Dean’s desperation to be rid of Chuck no matter what the cost, thwarting not just Billie’s plan but also Chuck’s brother-kills-brother endgame 15.17
• Dean stood outside Sam’s Stanford dorm for hours because he was so afraid of Sam possibly rejecting him, he didn’t know what he’d do if he didn’t have Sam 15.20
• “It’s always been you… and me.” “I love you so much..my baby brother.” -Dean to Sam 15.20
• Dean wouldn’t let go till Sam told him it was ok, he wanted to be sure Sam would be ok without him 15.20
• Sam spent the rest of his life mourning Dean and honoring his memory, named his son after him 15.20
• Dean’s heaven was not perfect till Sam got there 15.20
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When I think about arcane arc 2, I’m just really :/ that it feels like they dropped the ball on their generational trauma theme. Like, we didn’t properly explore Ambessa and Cait’s new dynamic and Caitlyn had no reflection on her mother’s death anymore, Ambessa forgot about Mel??, Jinx was “fixed” by Isha, we have once again sidelined Ekko and his revolutionaries plot, and Vi and Jinx, who were trying to Kill each other two eps ago, are chill now (listen the catty fight was fun but ya know. besides that.) Like what about revolution eating up innocence and your sons and daughters and toxic coping strategies being passed down! Idk, I guess has someone who is a bit of a tragedy enjoyer (tho I like optimistic/happy endings lol) and someone who really likes toxic nuanced relationship (and arcane really focused on familial too!! which I love) I feel they really lost themselves trying to go the fluff route. This just isn’t that type of show. This is also why I think Vander’s character kinda threw a wrench in season 2; was there really a point to be made in bringing him back? Kinda thought he had already served his purpose but Idk! There’s other things to critique, and even things I enjoyed too, but I think if I had to boil down the main sentiment why I didn’t like arc two, it would be losing this character thread. So much of season 1 hinged on it, so many great scenes came out of it, feels bizarre fumbling it so bad in arc 2…
Yeah T.T The Vander one hits especially hard, because like. He really is done here. There is no reason for him to exist in the story anymore. The show even agrees with us, they brought him back ONLY to take him away from the girls again, and that is just stupid and boring. Sure, Warwick has to exist bc LoL, but there was no need to introduce him into the plot - the hints in s1 were plenty enough to give him a backstory.
And the most important part: WHAT ABOUT REVOLUTION EATING UP INNOCENCE AND YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND TOXIC COPING STRATEGIES BEING PASSED DOWN!!! HELLO???? THE MAIN THEME OF SEASON 1???????? It was about a bunch of revolutionaries trying to do good for their families, and how good intentions don't mean good results. Vi learned the passive rejection of a revolution from Vander, Jinx learned individualistic toxic obsession from Silco, Mel rejected her mother's "kill before you get killed" policy. None of this is important in s2 anymore!! I thought Isha would die in an act of revolution, bringing home the "is revolution worth risking the people you are doing it for in the first place" theme, but no. No! Because we are abandoning that line of thought! And you're right, the reason for that is the dumb family fluff they suddenly pivoted into. I adore family stories and relationships, but I'm not buying the Vander-Jinx-Vi-Isha unit for a moment. Jinx-Isha-Sevika, which had good setups, was abandoned and for WHAT!!!! CHEAP FLUFF???? Augh. Sad.
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I'm usually a Vezmancer, but this time I decided to try all the routes and Laz...my my my what do we have here? I love the Oracle being this morose, hissing wet cat to him, hitting him with the "Why are you doing this I'm doomed to die sooner or later, stop it, let me die in solitude" is just marvelous (I'm a sucker for that sort of thing). (I also love being able to just pick whoever without worrying about always picking that RO in other scenes).
I truly hope at some point we get to circle back to the loneliness conversation (for added angst maybe after Laz fs up and get to hit them with the "should've stayed lonely I guess" and idk turn invisible or into a bird/butterfly so they can't/won't look at us and fly off).
I do have a question, mostly because I can't remember what the warnings were prior to this chapter, but just how dark can we make the story? Cause I noticed that every time the Oracle starts to go dark, they immediately bounce back. Like with Argellan (apologies if that's not how it's spelled, I don't remember assholes' names out of disrespect lol jk I'm just terrible with spelling) they almost start to cry and then just don't. Or they feel helpless and then just get determined even if most options I pick are the passive/I deserve this and "oh well guess I'll die" options. I'm not complaining, mind, I get going down the major depression path is not something everyone wants to do nor is comfortable doing, and that's 1000% ok. Your story, I'm just here for the ride.
I'm mostly curious given the warnings on if those tags are for the other characters? Or if it depends on our sanity or if it can get darker later? To set my expectations if you will. No need for spoilers and if it makes you uncomfortable/upset apologies, please don't feel the need to answer.
Regardless I look forward to confusing all the ROs with my pessimism and chaos.
I’m glad you enjoyed Laz’s route! Thank you for sharing your thoughts 💛
I understand you might want more “depressing” options, but it’s just not the direction I planned for this main character. They can end up in a pretty bad situation if their sanity falls, but overall, their potential tragedy is in misinterpreting what they need to become happy.
The Oracle is someone who wants a better life. It’s at the heart of their character. Every decision they have been making their whole life is pushed by this desire. They might be doomed, but they’re not going down quietly. They will force themselves to get up even when the situation is bleak, and that was the point of that moment—to show that they don’t allow anyone/anything to beat them down easily. They never have, and that’s why they’re still alive and trying to not just live, but live well.
Their developing arc isn’t “I want to live love laugh” vs “I’ll die so everything’s meaningless”, it’s more like “I’ll become a better person against all odds and find my place” vs “I’ll take what I want by any means necessarily even if it makes me miserable”. That’s as much as I can say without spoilering things.
So yeah, they’re not staying in the gutter. We’re actually at the point in the story where they begin to pick themselves up and take control of their life.
For the warnings—it’s mostly for what the Oracle encounters, though some of it will apply to them if you go down a particular path. Let’s just say… they might end up in a worse situation than they’re in now, you know? 🌚 Perhaps you'll enjoy that route! :)
#the abyssal song#asks#spoilers#kinda#oracle#interactive fiction#interactive game#interactive novel#twine wip
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rosemarine is as much of a victim as gilbert is, a more outright one i'd say. the way auguste threatens gilbert (a kid who has been targeted by him and groomed for his entire life) is VERY different to the way he threatens rosemarine (an adult, 18 at the beginning, i'd say around 21 AT MOST by the time kazeki ends. auguste got a proper hold of him at 15, before that he was only odd towards rose)
auguste establishes the power dynamics between those two in very different ways, for instance he uses his "love" towards gilbert as a double edged sword. if he's not "loving" him gilbert perishes and is kept trapped because it makes him crave the toxicity even more. that's why serge's presence was so dangerous, because teaching gilbert safety meant he's properly going to realize "this is wrong, this needs to stop" ... which he already knew, he said it himself ("do you think i let you fuck me because i wanted to? i did it because i didn't have other options") but he doesn't know how to stop it, so he lets it happen and romanticizes the situation, he knows and he knew from day 1 that auguste was a dangerous man, but he clung onto him because he was all he had.
meanwhile, rosemarine gets a more threatening version of this treatment. auguste speaks to him as an equal (almost) when he's not mad, but when he is he yells and lashes out, and threatens to get close, which he knows rosemarine hates (unlike gilbert who is the complete opposite) and uses it against him.
Auguste isn't smart (HELL a lot of people knew about his awful treatment towards gilbert when gilbert was a CHILD, but they never did anything to stop it), he literally just goes through life doing whatever the hell he wants and hurting whoever prevents him from reaching whatever goal he has, he doesn't hide it, he doesn't pretend to be a good person, he doesn't do shit he just goes up to the principal and goes "yeah let gilbert do whatever i'll pay you man", he goes up to rose and goes "don't intervene in the gilbert issue, just make sure he doesn't die or something idk", he kisses gilbert on school grounds, he offers himself as a future husband for angeline (11 by the time she appears again, serge is 14-15)
he does WHATEVER he wants WHEREVER he wants, he doesn't gaf, he's not smart, he isolates gilbert and keeps him in an environment that equally validates his own treatment. usually in stories about child abuse someone (an adult) knows and tries to stop it, sometimes they succeed, sometimes they don't, but in kazeki EVERYONE LETS THINGS HAPPEN. and the cycle continues.
abuse culture thrives in silence (auguste's peers), bystander effect (everyone in laconblade), enablers (rosemarine, the principal) and refusing to break the cycle despite being scared (auguste abuses rose → rose enables gilbert's abuse rather than speaking up against auguste → gilbert assaults carl ... carl doesn't continue this cycle, but indirectly contributes to everything by being a bystandar ... HOWEVER he cannot be 100% blamed since he's a child. he's scared, he blames himself, he doesn't want to tell anyone because of His Own Can Of Worms -which someone else with a more religious background could probably explain better-)
gilbert is at the bottom of the chain, and he has normalized this abusive behavior SO much that he doesn't really see it as something inherently bad. to him, this is another thing people do, he has never known normalcy, so when he assaults carl to "assert dominance" over him and taunts him, he's just repeating the things people did/do to him.
it's kinda like when children exposed to violence in the home (ANY sort of violence, whether it's directed to them -csa, physical abuse, emotional abuse- or indirect -seeing a parent get abused-) play with toys violently and reenact their trauma through play (there's a proper term for this, i currently can't remember, but it's used in play therapy to try and decipher what's up with a child too young to voice their worries and woes!)
anyway uhm
this is just word vomit, sorry.
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ok but what if Cheng Xiaoshi knows what Lu Guang is trying to do? And he's chosen not to bring it up?
like we already know CXS can kinda meld his memories/emotions with the person who took the photo when he's posessing them
so what if CXS saw something in those memories while acting as LG (before the boat scene)?
...and he's keeping silent bc he either doesnt wanna talk about it or he knows the fear LG has about this "last chance" bc he could FEEL how hopelessly terrified LG is...
LG could still fail... CXS could still die... this could be the last attempt to save shiguang so maybe CXS would rather enjoy the time he has left before the inevitable...
#this whole thought started with that one gifset of thirst trap LG photos that CXS took while in his body#it devolved into the most complex crack theory i have ever come up with for this show#its fun to think about tho#the mother of all miscommunication tropes#link click#shiguang daili ren#shiguang#lu guang#cheng xiaoshi#time agents#explains his carefree personality too a bit#and yeah someone will die by the end of this story#its prob cxs#but it could be both or LG deletes himself from the time and he never existed to begin with#link click spoilers
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Still very wild to me when people try to gotcha Jason with the whole "if you can kill other people for being evil why can't they kill you" when jason is like. One of the most passively suicidal characters I've ever seen. What if man
#augh i dont want to cw this because im just talking about The Character and i feel bad when i do it for characters but i probably should#suicide mention#ask to tag#while im here i do absolutely believe hes been suicidal since jaybin times. maybe even before just in different ways. but like#going into that building with shelia? yeah#now. i DONT think he was aware of it and if youd ask him hed say no fully believing thats the truth#but like if a ghost jaybin had some introspection time i think he'd maybe eventually be like yeah#his outcomes to him were have a loving parent or die and hes a very big fan of ultimatums like that.#but he doesn't fully see it like that as jaybin because oh hes a hero and saving others when no one else can is what heros do :)#ramble. ivee been feeling it lately yknow how it is#ive once saw a post saying jason was planning to die after the joker was dead in utrh and yeagh i can see that#he puts A BOMB in his HELMET#suicidal characters in the context of hero stories are so fascinating to me. the self sacrifice.#the not caring about your own safety as long as you save someone else. the pushing yourself#the way itd be so easy to make it look like they just fell in battle. to be considered a hero in the end#anyway ive been glancing at suicidal jason todd fics. how bad is it that im still getting mad about characterization#because theyre not killing him right#AND ANOTHER THING. since im here and i try to avoid making posts about The Character like this so might as welk get it all out#think about suicidal jaybin as well as the fact 80s bruce very much considered suicidal people/people attempting like#weak and lazy? yells at them? i think thats about it. Very Much. je seems to straight up just hate them#again very much feel free to ask me to tag this one ^-^'#and i hope no one thinks im being callous here im very worried about that. i just its a very important part of his character to think about#and its fun to explore as someone who is passively suicidal myself#jason todd analysis#anyway no one look at me i am in my corner just rotating him#WAIT to clarify i dont think jaybin fully realized Just becauceof the heros sacrifice thing. i made it sound like that i believe#anyway. if you read him as suicidal since jaybin times and go to ditf with that lens like i did. well. the post death victim blaming..
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I resent getting dragged into the discourse but it's wild to me that there are people out there who read the HP books and laud Harry for being brave and having a big heart and redeeming the wizarding world with his unusually great ability to love, yet can't comprehend how he could learn to appreciate Snape's sacrifice.
I'm very specifically thinking of the fact that Harry watches Snape die. Snape, who is lying on the floor, gripping Harry's robes, and whose eyes Harry is looking into and seeing the life leave. I don't understand how people can humanize some fictional characters and treat them as if they were real and completely dehumanize another. Not even for Snape's sake, but for Harry's sake, do these people not understand what it is to watch someone die? What's the expectation, that the Capacity For Love Posterchild protagonist steps out of character and doesn't care about the guy he watches bleed out and die suffering because you, as a reader, don't like him?
Which is it? Does Harry have a huge capacity to love or not? Pick a lane. Either you value this character trait in Harry or you don't. But you have to take or leave everything it comes with, otherwise you're a hypocrite. Or maybe illiterate.
I just don't GET it.
#Harry watched Dumbledore die and took the locket from his corpse.#Harry held Dobby in his arms as he died.#And then Harry watched Snape die. The kid has seen a lot of death and it has a profound effect on him.#What kind of person expects him to walk away from Snape's death and go 'yeah but he was still an asshole.'#Not to mention that Snape was the only person Harry ever met who told him stories about his mom and showed him what she was like.#Even if you're too emotionally dense to understand the emotional shift that happens when an antagonistic authority figure becomes vulnerabl#with you - let alone to such an extreme degree#How do you not understand that being part of someone's death is an intimate experience that bonds you to some degree?#If I only saw this kind of attitude from people who treat the books and characters as fiction I'd get it maybe.#But I see it from people who will argue on behalf of Harry and/or the Marauders as if they were real people with agency and not characters#created by the same author as Snape and/or whoever else they hate#but their treatment of them as real people either ends at characters they like or they're just the kind of people who dehumanize#anyone they don't like in real life too I guess?#and I see this AGAINST MY WILL because I don't even want to see this discourse AND YET *gestures at my feed*
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A succubus and a demon! (The succubi don't have names but the demon is Kronos and the succubus is one of his bosses in Hell and he's not /fond/ of the succubi for many reasons but they all adore picking on him)
Also because I love them and like to point it out, the succubi act more as pleasure dealers in the sense of they offer up whatever a human wants most in exchange for their soul. It's rarely of a sexual nature since it's what they want MOST in life. And most people's ambitions are outside of a bedroom. (happy pride, asexuals are able to get affected by a succubus now without discrimination)
#my characters#did i make succubi in a plot that i could fall victim to as an asexual personally? yeah#kronos is just a petty lil baby with a younger brother who is very nice for a demon#kronos is responsible for being a dick to everyone in the plot and yet has the weirdest morals and its not fine#but hes gonna make that everyone elses problem not his#for instance he originally goes to earth bc a human has somehow just stolen all of the Devils attention and its annoying#why fixate on one human doomed to Hell just let the guy live and die then fixate#so he goes to kill the human but ends up saving the guy and then agonizes because even as a demon#its REALLY tacky to save someone and then kill them#so he doesnt kill him and instead demands to be a roommate until he returns to hell#and then they team up to kill demons and other creatures that seem obsessed with the human#and so they just kinda kill and banish demons back to hell and its fiiiine kronos is just causing problems for Hell#thats not even a new issue hes always doing that !#and then they meet a siren who refuses to talk and kronos is like oh time to be the biggest dick ever#and is like well if she wont talk and she needs a name i vote halibut#as a mean joke bc why would she want to be named after a fish#and she lights up and is SUPER happy and nods and beams and is so happy with her new name#and then the human is like well she needs more clothes than one outfit right#also shes barefoot and its cold i need to buy her shoes idk what tho#and kronos is like here buy her these rainboots and so the guy buys them and is like just wear these#until you can show me what you want bought ok and halibut is in love with her cute lil yellow rainboots#so basically everything kronos does out of spite to the weird mute siren (by choice) backfires#and she adores him and doesnt know hes trying to be mean to her#anyway the succubi collectively like to pick on the really silly and childish demons they outrank#like kronos! so he is constantly a target for them to mock which is why he isnt fond of them which fuels them more#the succubi are just really chill most of the time though ?#and its just. i love my succubi ok theyre wonderful#and that has been another story time in the tags bye
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Headcanon - Henry Stickmin got into the mess with the timelines in his game because of a time piece falling on his head. He's technically in a time rift going through the motions until Hat Kid fixes the rift, made all the worse by the fact he already had minor rewind powers that the time piece was able to amplify.
#yeah I was thinking about how I wanted to start the timeline shenanigans of Henry Stickmin and was just playing a Hat in Time#so I yeeted a time piece at Henry's head full force and cackled evilly as he lay there dazed and concussed#the full story is Hat has to find him somewhere in the time rift to fully close it and collect the last shard for fixing the time piece#crow brain Henry took a shard and still has it on him- she may need to fight him to get it back#I would pay to see that fight honestly someone make that fight happen. I have no clue who would win that fight#reason for siding with the Toppats is their better reach not to mention how many shards are in the airship and rocket#Hat's not having a fun time searching due to the large scale of the rift but at least she's not dealing with the worst criminal gang ever#don't worry Hat has multiple lives she doesn't die in the bad endings#a hat in time#ahit#hsc#thsc#henry stickmin#the henry stickmin collection#hsc headcanon#ahit headcanon#headcanon#hat kid#actually henry stickmin
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rewatching bbc merlin really has me like buzzing in my mind with so many thoughts. Like I'm kinda watching it backwards atm going from S5 to S4, I think I will jump around 3, 2, and 1 but just,,,, there is so much especially in S5 that makes me !!!!!!!
Honestly, I feel like this fandom has to give the writers more credit. Like they did a damn good job, and to me, it's such a good tragedy. Especially how S5 plays out, it takes everything and just tears you down, and down, and down. It's perfect, perfect with flaws! But still perfect
#bbc merlin#merlin#yeah idk on that note about the writers - this fandom is way too harsh#like i know we all have ideas on how it should have gone#but i think we lose how it's still a story that they planned from the start to end like that#they did their job they set up from the beginning and it is good as a tragedy imo as someone who has studied tragedies#hot take but the characterisations are consistent - i mean like as consistent as they get for a 5 series show#they did better than most and i dont feel like any characters get like their previous characterisation assassinated#that includes Arthur and Morgana btw they clearly have arcs that work well and where Arthur's is a slower progression - Morgana's is like a#lit match - slow at first but when it gets going it's going and then gone - it's wonderful#i mean look at s5 it literally starts by talking about Arthur's bane aka his fatal flaw aka his hamartia#which is himself and i dont think it's as much as the overdone hubris but rather Arthur's love and trust for others - but that like in many#tragedies can be debated#okay something else that can be debated is the peripeteia - i think a good example of it is the Disir episode because that's when Arthur's#fate becomes sealed anything after that point is fruitless because the Triple Goddess has decided he must die because of his rejection of#the Old Religion - it's a reversal of fortune in a sense that Mordred is alive to play his part in Arthur's death - as Merlin puts it. You#could see it more as Merlin's peripeteia rather than Arthur's but still#if we wanna debate it more Arthur's peripeteia would probablyyyy be when Mordred stabs him because that's when his death becomes imminent#it's a reversal of fortune because he's dying from that point forward rather than a strong king he is a man dying#the anagnorisis is another point to make. You could say for Arthur his anagnorisis is all of the finale - like this constant realisation of#Merlin and his magic and realising all that he missed all that he didnt see and now it's too late because he's dying#I'd say Merlin's anagnorisis comes with the whole Mordred and Kara ordeal and how he realises his mistake and how it's gonna cause the#downfall of not just himself but Arthur too#then catharsis - see i think it's the only part where the tragedy falters because do we get catharsis from Arthur's death and Merlin's#immortality - where he's still at the lake centuries later?#i think in some ways yes and in other ways no because I don't think BBC Merlin is following an Aristotle's tragedy#i think catharsis comes more from Morgana's half of the tragedy - seeing her die - and i think further catharsis comes from knowing it's no#over forever that there will be a second chance for redemption for both Merlin and Arthur#but it is a more difficult one for sure#anyway point is that S5 specifically has a tragedy storyline that is very well done and we should credit that more tbh
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one thing about me is that i’m ALWAYS thinking about chapter 4 kokichi ouma
#icarus speaks#dangantag#like i’m always thinking about him in general#but chapter four SPECIFICALLY#like GOD…….#he knows if he doesn’t do something he’ll die#he knows if he doesn’t do something everyone will die#because shuichi is smart. but miu was smarter. there was no way to have uncovered ANY of that had she succeeded#and he knows he can’t stop her. she wants out. she won’t listen to him#if she’s not able to kill him. she’ll find someone else. she’ll find another scenario#and he can’t TELL most of them. because someone has to stop her#but half the cast wants him dead. maki would’ve taken him out herself#the only other person that would’ve both believed and helped him would likely be shuichi#but it can’t be shuichi. because this ends with two people dead. and if shuichi dies then they’re all fucked#he could make the same leaps as shuichi theoretically. solve the same cases#but no one would listen. not like they listen to shuichi#and GOD. speaking of which#the way he reacts to shuichi’s lie. it haunts me so much#and it makes sense! he’s already so angry. so lost. there’s so much going on and going wrong#shuichi lies to protect people and discover the truth and he’s beloved#kokichi does the same and he’s a villain#and YEAH obviously that’s not the full story. there are other factors.#but like. the THEMES. the PAIN. the spiral it leads kokichi down#doubling down on his lies and charade and cements his plan to sacrifice himself#slash become the ‘mastermind’#i hate lying purple assholes why do they do this to my brain
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rewatching alien stage after round 7 heres my thoughts on a prsk version:
sua -> haruka mizu -> an till -> akito ivan -> toya luka -> mafyu hyuna -> shiho
#none of you get mafuyu like i do. she could be a cunty bastard trust.#ik an and mafuyu dont really know each other that well in prsk but if they were raised together like that i am CERTAIN it would go down#im not really thinking about the backstories and canon interactions tbh in terms of whats canon to prsk#like yeah an was not motivated by harukas death but i think if haruka DID die (remember she wouldnt know of radder or even ken) she would b#im very adament about haruan mizisua parralels#ivan/toya is the one im most iffy about actually despite it being a very popular opinion#i think its popular bc yall like blueorange. i also like blueorange but theres other stuff to it guys#TO BE FAIR ivan and pre main story toyas attitudes towards till and akito are uncanny#but ivan/till and toya/akitos situations in regards to vivid street vs the stage are entirely reversed#but ig when you think about it their experience in performing directly parrallels akitoyas types of previous music experience#but people choose it bc they like blueorange. it works very well but yall just like blueorange.#someone edit the boys when theyre bored gif as akitoya RIGHT NOW/silly/nf#i dont particularially have a reason for shiho. but it makes a lot of sense to me#we dont know loads about hyunas family iirc so shizuku could still exist and her dad#something something continuing to perform for the love of it after all the trauma is the most shiho thing ever#also im convinced that if shiho couldnt self isolate the way she did then she wouldve ended up as affectionate as hyuna is (particularially#w mizi)#this isnt just bc all in sounds like a leoneed com i promise BUT ''fill up the whole nebula'' ''the galexy shining bright''#ik the whole thing is scifi but chill out babes youre gonna have hatsune miku on your ass with a copyright claim#anyway. ''we only get one life im living mine for me'' is the most shiho thing ever#OMFG the idea of mafuyu/toya/shiho childhood friendship... (<- watching all in while typing)#i'll write up a seperate post about that#ramblings#pjsk posting#alien stage#alnst#prsk#project sekai#pjsk
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so much vampire discussion centered around the torture of eternal life but i'm gonna be so honest with you i would simply not do that. when i learn everything there is to learn and do everything there is to do and the terrible ennui sets in i'm just killing myself. man what are you doing sitting around agonizing over how nothing ever ever ends when the sun rises literally every morning
#'this afterlife/undeath never ends!!!' yeah it does. you are only functionally immortal#if you couldn't physically be killed that would be another story but baby you just have to go stand outside <3#or burning to death is unpleasant. i get it. ask someone really nicely to put a stake through your heart. you might just explode into dust#or the whole drinking a dead man's blood thing that seems like a pretty peaceful way to go#anyway whatever vampire lore you're following there IS a way for them to die. you are never stuck in your vampiric eternity <3#valentine notes
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“If you want to blame someone… blame fate.”
#shanghai bund#shanghai bund 2007#huang xiaoming#sun li#cdrama#ellisgifs#new shanghai bund#cdramaedit#新上海滩#hiiiii i just randomly started thinking xu wenqiang and started spiralling </3#decided to rewatch the final eps for The Painnnn#um this is actually a gifset of the final episode#this scene happens in ep 1 but the b&w flashback to it is also the final scene of the whole drama..... hahaha.... so cool..... so fun.....#everything about the ending of this drama is so brutal fr#it's been years but it still makes me so insane to think about#'if you want to blame someone blame fate' YEAH NO I CAN'T HANDLE THIS#truly one of my absolute favourite stories about characters trapped by the narrative and perpetuating cycles of abuse and grief#and every character is a ghost haunting their loved ones even before they die#and there are a hundred places where things could have gone differently but there was also no way to change the outcome#it was always going to end like this#and then at the very end...... the story resets. the camera goes back to the beginning#(spoilers)#wenqiang is dying on the pavement and suddenly we're back in the train station all those years ago watching him step off the train#watching them just be strangers in a crowd#knowing that they'd be happier if they just remained strangers. knowing that their paths will collide because that's how it always happens#that's how the story goes#their endings have already been written and they cannot escape from the narrative in which they have found themselves#it was over before it began#from the drafts#queue
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Some people wouldn’t know good taste if it was spat into their mouths.
#feeling salty tonight about some stupid fucking people#stop presenting your opinion as fact when you seem to deliberately misinterpret texts for your own ends#you project wildly it’s a bad look cut that shit out#learn to appreciate nuance#you’ll enjoy things so much more instead of constantly digging your heels in about the first inclination you ever had#learn to challenge yourself and grow and you’ll probably open up more#everything is subjective but sometimes someone’s rotten brain mangles a story beyond recognition and then yeah they’re just wrong#shoving every story and character and author into a box is dumb and you’re limiting yourself#remove the boundaries and expand your mind and you might find you enjoy things much more#constantly hating on things is exhausting. wouldn’t you like to rest?#take a deep breath and let it fucking go man this is stupid hill to die on#nothing is as black and white as you say and your extreme views are unfairly coloring the text in a negative light#it’s not that bad in fact I think it’s great and you’re a moron to write it off so flippantly bc you clearly don’t get it#death of the author but holy shit the blatant bad faith readings feels like deliberate misunderstanding#your criticisms don’t make sense they don’t even align with what’s on page you’re just rationalizing your negativity#if you find it so unappealing then fuck off#bc I do find it appealing and your rancid viewpoint is vomit inducing#from an enthusiast standpoint you sound stupid from an academic standpoint you’re just wrong#if this literature is so depraved and unpalatable for your modern tastes#go lick a tiktok and leave medieval literature out of it mkay?#end rant
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naw, I mean, I get being sad that gojo died and wishing it didn't happen, but I've been seeing people saying that it made no sense for him to lose here and that's just not true, let's not do that, a happy ending would have been wonderful for everyone but gojo was not the main protagonist and his death was spelled out the moment he started fighting the main antagonist. let alone that gege said a trillion years ago that the only one who could ever defeat him was megumi so it only made sense that adding megumi and sukuna to each other meant getting someone stronger than gojo. And even outside of in-universe reasons why this was the obvious outcome, from a storytelling pov gojo couldn't stay alive with just how overpowered he was, what's yuuji for if everything can be solved by him? Again, gojo's not the protagonist, he doesn't get to be the saitama or mob of jjk, he's not allowed to be that overpowered and survive it'd just break the plot. I'm saying that you get to be sad about it and wish it wasn't so, but saying that his death wasn't obvious from the moment people started dying liberally or that it wasn't natural for him to lose against sukuna in this form is just not true
#jjk spoilers#personally i find it a satisfying end for him#he was sad and depressed and living a shitty lonely life with the prospect of staying alive enough to see everyone he loved die before him#this is a story yk it's not real life#he gets to find a happy ending in the afterlife if that's the only way for him#this is NOT a satisfying situation for shoko of course but this isn't about her so I'm giving this to gojo#gege gave him peace he gets to have that#the whole speech about the loneliness of being the strongest and how nice it felt for him to find someone stronger than him#like yeah#yeah#he gets to have that for me#but you can be sad about it! disappointed that he couldn't find happiness in his life! that's not wrong!#it's just that it's not true it made no sense for him to die#you can hate it but under every light it's been obvious he'd go for a while now
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