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god I gave up on Moby Dick too early last time. this weird little man goes from 'oohhh terrifying foreigners' to getting gay married to one so quickly. this is only chapter 8 ffs
#listen there is a lot to be said about externalizing your own fears and desires#and projecting them on a racialized other#and that being racist in itself#it's just funny how quickly this guy gives in to his desires#'ah yeah i guess I'm this savage's wife now. it's normal to him i guess'#BRO YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT CULTURE HE IS FROM HOW COULD YOU KNOW WHAT HIM SAYING YOU'RE MARRIED NOW MEANS#anyway if that's what he needs to tell himself to get some love and affection. i guess#moby dick#books#my posts
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Imagine if you were a gay or bi man who tried a certain firefighter show because of all the attention it was getting for one of its mains having a later in life bi awakening.....and between seasons you ventured into its fandom in search of material to tide you over til the next one. And you're greeted by a deluge of posts and fics that are just cheerfully homophobic towards one half of the newly out bi character's canon relationship on the basis of 'well he's not the RIGHT gay guy' and pushing the idea that actually its fine to cheat on him because Reasons and he's sexually predacious based on......behind the scenes implications people have divined like they're reading fucking tea leaves.
But don't get it twisted....this fandom, like all fandoms, really cares about representation!
Sorry not sorry, but we really need to kill this idea that fandoms are welcoming and inviting and inherently progressive when they're frequently insular and reductive as fuck. Every single fandom I've been in has had major trends of people doubling down on their own headcanons and fanon interpretations of the characters and willfully enacting trends aimed at running off people who like the 'wrong' characters (usually characters marginalized along one or multiple axes), like the characters in the 'wrong ways' or other bullshit.
Scott is a Bad Friend fics overtaking Teen Wolf fandom was not incidental, it was a FEATURE of the fandom, because the vast majority of that fandom did not want to share its space with anyone who had the nerve to like its main character. Survivors complaining about or criticizing the prevalance of rape fics in a certain fandom has in my experience always led to a reactionary UPTICK in those fics, with gems like 'this character can, will, must be raped' in the tags making it crystal clear that some of these fics exist because how fucking DARE anyone try and push forth a narrative not agreed upon by Fandom Main.
I could cite examples for so many other fandoms, with the commonalities always being that vast majorities in these fandoms are explicitly reacting defensively to being asked to be more mindful of fandom trends revolving around or exacerbating racism, homophobia, transphobia, rape or abuse apologia, ableism, etc....
With the most prolific fucking rallying cry across countless fandoms being "No the fuck we will NOT be doing that," because lolololol.....
Fandom is an inherently progressive space, didn't you hear?
#anyway this has been on my mind in general for a few weeks now#and its more about fandoms just being fandoms#and like....what if they werent though#these patterns migrate from one to another as fans migrate from fandom to fandom bringing their bullshit with them#like do people never get tired of just trying to call DIBS and claim fandoms for themselves while shutting out anyone else#who might have a lot to fucking offer if you werent being so gd intent on staking a claim instead of sharing perspectives#and exploring new possibilities?#and I know not everyone links certain problems with racist homophobic and other behaviors to my own issues with dark fic and rape and#abuse apologia but I do inherently see it as sharing large portions of venn diagrams even though I do not consider being a survivor to be#something that demarcates privilege in the way that axes of identity do#as its situationally based rather than inherently identity based#but the way it can affect and shape large parts of peoples' identities begets commonalities#but my point is just.....a big part of why I so often lump it in is specifically because of how people react to these things or#defend against criticism across the board#like most people know my stance on censorship and how my blood boils when its people who are throwing accusations of#censorship at those raising criticisms....#but the point is just.....think about what censorship actually IS in all practical senses of the word#its about shutting down conversations. limiting the flow of information the sharing of perspectives and experiences#THATS WHAT MAKES IT BAD#now......what about criticism inherently lends itself to any of those things if you DONT accept as a foregone conclusion that criticism#is only ever offered up in bad faith and meant as a silencing tactic#instead of just a request or offered avenue of ways for things to be done better rather than not at all?#who is ACTUALLY out here trying to shut down convos and limit possibilities?#is it really the people being critical of fandom behaviors and trends?#or the ones doubling down at the first hint of any criticism and aggressively ramping up how frequently and visibly they engage in#the criticized behaviors in efforts to drive people away or as a silencing tactic of their own?#just saying
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This isn't supposed to be a gotcha, I'm genuinely asking because my dad keeps using this as an argument when I try to explain land back stuff to him. And I'm hoping you can help give tips on how to explain it to him.
We're European, and as you probably know there's people here who are anti-immigrant / anti-refugee bc they're racist and want it to be only Europeans. My dad thankfully isn't *that* bad, but his argument is "well if indigenous ppl deserve their land back, even despite all the non-natives who moved there bc they had to, then don't the anti-immigrant EU ppl have the right to kick out the immigrants even if they fled to here as refugees?"
It's so gross and i don't blame you if you don't want to engage with it/answer this anon. I just am like trying to figure out how to answer him and of all the progressive issues I explain to my dad this is the one I'm least familiar with. So how do I explain to him why it doesn't really apply to indigenous Europeans?
I can't tell what you mean when you say "Indigenous Europeans", because Indigenous is a racialized and political category of people that have been affected and racialized by colonialism in a specific way, "Indigenous" doesn't just mean "x group of people who originally come from x area". Because you haven't specific a specific Indigenous Nation (for example, Saami), I'm going to assume you just mean that you are White Europeans who are not Indigenous. You'll have to explain that to him as well. This is also important, because I know many racist Europeans will co-opt Indigeneity in order to promote White Supremacist ideas like creating an ethnostate, and what your dad has suggested, is the definition of that. Secondly, tell him (even if you ARE Indigenous,) Indigenous people, as the same with anyone else, being xenophobic and racist towards immigrants is still bad and unacceptable, we don't get a free pass to be bigoted towards different groups of people and use "landback" as an excuse. Landback goes hand in hand with decolonizing, and you can't do that while perpetrating settler-colonial ideology and bigotry.
I don't know how many times we have to say this, but Landback does not inherently have to do with deporting anybody who isn't "Indigenous", and does not have anything to do with trying to create an ethnostate, the core goals of Landback is neither of those things. You have to emphasize this to him.
Landback has to do with sovereignty for Indigenous Peoples because as it is, we're being oppressed by the White governments that are occupying us. We are stripped of multiple rights while in our own homes. What your dad has suggested about White Europeans having the "right" to deport immigrants is already a reality, White Europeans already have privilege and power over immigrants, and many immigrants already ARE being deported and mistreated by those governments. There are race riots targeting immigrants happening in the U.K for goodness sake!
Landback is centered ideas of decolonizing and dismantling White Supremacy: Your dad's presented idea of mass deportation of any person who isn't ehtnically/racially European or is an (immigrant to there) from the country you reside in is based on White Supremacy. The category "immigrant" itself is very racialized, because when White North Americans or Europeans talk about deporting "immigrants" from the country, typically they're talking about Brown and Black people & people who aren't Christian, and I've never heard a White Canadian complain about a White French immigrant and suggest we deport them, or hear a White American complain about deporting the Irish.
As an example, trying to kick everyone else out of Turtle Island (or anywhere) for one thing would be WAAAAY too much of a hassle to even attempt, too expensive, and useless. Plus, if there was a mass exodus (for lack of a better word) of people via planes, vehicles, and ships all at once or even over time, that would have a big negative impact on the environment, which kind of goes against why people want Landback in the first place (to take care of the land and environment, we care about it). It's counterproductive to several of the goals of Landback.
So to recap, deporting any people who are not "Indigenous" or originally from one area is not the goal, your dad has made a false equivalency because 1
that's not what we want in the first place, Landback has nothing inherently to do with deporting anyone who isn't originally from a specific area or creating an ethnostate, and
trying to do it would be useless and going AGAINST the goals and principles of Landback and what is wanted
part of Landback is undoing racism and White Supremacy, and what he's suggested is promoting those things (White Supremacy and racism)
#i don't know how many times we have to say this#also I wanna emphasize I'm not necessarily accusing your dad of being like a violent racist#(bc I don't know him)#but I'm emphasizing that the idea he has SUGGESTED and asked about itself is racist and incorrect#and is operating on a false equivalency and false understanding of what Landback is#and potentially even on what Indigeneity is#anonymous
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astarion being so conscious about what a big weird fuckin group the tadpole’d are like yelling at them hands fluttering about
“we’re conspicuous enough as this merry band of freaks! can you! be normal!”
[hard cut to astarion panting over the possibility of killing some githyanki scouts]
#frankie posts#bg3 spoilers#hes the only one ive really noticed that says anything abt it#he says their group is conspicuous#and everyone in it is a weirdo#and says none of them act normal to begin with#hes like#okay ummmmm so we have the most influential duke’s disgraced son turned monster hunter turned devil#we have a coupla amnesiacs one of which who murders in their sleep and talks abt their sleep paralysis gremlin demon#and the other has the blind faith of an ordained cult member and gets punished for being Kind Of Nice with visceral searing pain#oh and shes a racist towards the ex communicated gith warrior who now has abandoned her old self#and plans to throw fucking hands with a literal god#speaking of fucking hands with a god#the other human is a forsaken mystral prodigy who may or may not be groomed#and under orders from the Literal Manifeststion of Magic Itself to blow himself up with this excess jumble of netherese in him#we also have a tiefling thats body runs on Mechanical Parts and needs to find A Literal Engineer to mend her heart#no like not symbolically i mean it very literally that her heart that gives her power is killing her because of (checks notes) earth air
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grit my teeth and hold myself back from fighting someone every time i see the sentiment of "wow can you believe people actually think nightheart is sexist? and that liking nightheart makes you a misogynist? how crazy is that lol" out in the wild. nooooo that's not what the discourse actually was. you have fallen for the dismissive surface level takeaway people had from a genuine discussion about wider trends of misogyny in the writing, that makes said criticisms out as irrational and hysterical as possible. you will now associate any criticisms of misogyny in the series with this hyperbolic strawman
#it makes me feel like im playing 4d warrior cats opinion chess but in a bad way#this doesnt just happen with misogyny btw. 'WOW can you believe people were screaming about kids putting feathers on cats for being RACIST?#well yeah actually i was there it was a genuine plea from native american warriors fans about anti-indigenous stereotypes#in both the worldbuilding of the books itself and the fandom. the racism within the writing of warriors itself codes the cats as native#in a way that exoticises and others those cultures and draws into harmful stereotypes already#so the fandom's use of head feathers on top of this was extremely uncomfortable for a lot of native american fans#and people were trying to gently but firmly raise awareness of this and suggest alternative ways to incorporate feathers into designs#but you already view this issue as a joke i guess so are now predisposed to be hostile to the very idea
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i don’t think i can talk about everything positive about veilguard until i talk about how utterly dismal the trans representation in this game is. yes, especially with taash. because yeah…i do think it being bad is not something to ignore like i see so many people on here say you should “because any rep is better than none.” anytime gender came up while playing veilguard i had a massive pit in my stomach, and i came in with the maybe the most open mind about it. i know for some it was the first time they've seen a non-binary character in a video game and that's why they're less harsh than i am. that has never been the case for me, i have non-binary and trans characters i very much enjoy and don't need to rely on one game to do the job for me.
but this conversation always turns into “oh you just hate non-binary people that’s why you have a problem with taash!” actually i think the game itself has a problem with non-binary people given all they could say about it is “you’re non-binary if you hate being a woman.” or talked about clothes. that’s about the extent we get to explore gender identity in this game. well that and “trans people valid.” we need to shelf the word valid for a while i think. i wish trans rep wasn't written primarily for a cis audience all the time, because i'm so tired of getting talked down to in a conversation i don't need to have.
#this needs a proper writeup given i also want to talk about the options with rook but For Another Day when i can write a formal review#unfortunately it isn’t a small problem. when the game markets itself as inclusive being transphobic and racist is in fact A Problem.#datv critical#again i have maybe the most open mind about problematic rep. you wouldnt last an hour in the asylum where they raised me (comic books)#so this actually getting under my skin and “triggering” me is wild. i've read some pretty vile stuff before and somehow this cutesy shit is#what bothers me.
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convincing the graduate chair that it’s fine to give me an extra month to study for my comprehensive exams by giving me the comps list early by explaining that there’s no way in hell im studying with any of the other phd students in my cohort
#the moment I discovered the phrase little eichmanns it permanently etched itself into my vocabulary#because that’s what all of them are#they’re all fucking rich white progressive racist types who think they’re above reading theory. fucking ghoulish human beings#and I know they’re gonna beg me to give them all my notes and teach them how to read marx#because that’s what they’ve been doing all semester#you’re a PhD social science student the fact that you don’t like theory isn’t my problem! Drop out if it’s that hard#go work at your dad’s firm or whatever
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i am once again disappointed but not surprised at the COD fandom only caring about “sensitivity” when it’s convenient for them
#telling people it’s morally wrong to simp for makarov#whilst simping for graves or valeria#or ANY character in this damn series#just shows that you only give a shit about ‘sensitivity’ when it doesn’t inconvenience you#‘but he’s bad :(’ my brother in christ. let’s talk about western militaries#price nikolai and gaz literally kidnapped and tortured an innocent woman and child#the UK and US militaries have DEVASTATED vulnerable countries#y’all wanna talk about sensitivity?? then acknowledge how even the ‘good’ characters like the 141 are shitty!#none of these characters are good people!#i cannot stress this enough. eliminating characters because they’re ‘problematic’ eliminates the entire cast. every single one of them.#MAYBE farah would be safe?? i’m not knowledgeable enough to say for certain. but everyone else— 141. los vaqueros. laswell. alex. nikolai. +#valeria. graves. every last warzone operator. EVERY single character is ‘off-limits’ with that logic.#COD fandom is also horribly racist despite pretending it’s not. notice how people only talk about this when it’s white folks being impacted#no one gave a shit when a middle eastern woman and child were kidnapped and tortured. or when fans were romanticizing cartel violence.#or how the SAS CIA and Delta Force have histories of terrorizing vulnerable people; especially in the middle east and asia#i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again before anyone accuses me of smth false:#sensitivity is important. it can co-exist with letting people enjoy problematic things. the source itself is problematic —#ergo. everything that comes from it (even the ‘good’ things) is as well.#you can’t cherry pick which characters people are allowed to be critical of. you can have your faves and have the ones you dislike#but don’t act like you’re doing something noble when your sensitivity is biased.#sylph.talks
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Everyone talking about how Mel and ekko saved everyone like they didn’t sideline and ignore them since day one is driving me insane
#the worst thing about fandom racism is that it’s nobody’s fault it just so happens everyone falls into the same racist patternsover and over#like nobody wants to internalize it they just reblog a post about how underrated a black character is and change nothing about how they move#and It’s like. if u run a page that spans multiple fandoms and you do this EVERYTIME maybe it’s not the writings fault anymore hm?#and It’s sick bc even now it’s just on how ekko lost powder sad mel is alone sad they deserve better#will you give them better?#are finally gonna have some ekko or mel centric fics that aren’t about their said light white counterparts?#are you finally gonna include them in ur analysis of classism or womanhood in arcane?#do they get to be the one being funny or silly in ur little incorrect post or edit?#or are they gonna continue be the sassy straight man side character snapping zigzags to whatever cait and vi say?#It’s sooo sick#and btw there’s great stuff there it’s just like#the stuff itself existing doesn’t change that y’all IGNORE it like always#and it wouldn’t bother me much if u just ignored that’s like where batfam is rn#but ignoring it and pretending ur not and u love them and u care about them and what they deserve?#sick and twisted
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What the fuck man
#she...wasnt even racist and outgrew her antisjw phase#like...she spent many more years telling people that people who identify as antisjws are stupid#also iirc she moved to Germany. that was the plan she and her boyfriend had at least and were enacting#but i never really got if thats where they actually ended up and i always felt way too awkward to ask#like idk i felt like i was supposed to get what country they were in from the conversation itself#as you can probably guess im not very fond of this fuck wishing death on my friend#but the point is that its fucked up to wish death on any refugee running away from a near certain death like whats your fucking problem#imagine hearing that a trans woman from a country actively trying to kill her is running away and passing through Ukraine and your reaction#being 'oooh i hope the colonisers kill her too while theyre busy killing the Ukrainians'#she didnt even do anything to you man
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still ignoring the racism in the fandom okay i see you!!!!
Okay, let’s talk about the racism that went down regarding Erlang fans. For example, a minor was accused of sexualizing their own religion, and people who hate Erlang called him (a literal deity) “unseasoned chicken”. People mocking and harassing children who grew up with that religion for being attached to their deities, and-
… Oh wait, you just want me to talk about it when it specifically makes the people on the side of Erlang fans look bad? Because you don’t really give a fuck about racism OR the misogyny you used as an excuse to harass them (harassment you were doing BEFORE anyone was racist, by the way, so you can’t use that as a “but the other side is just as bad!” argument)? And you only PRETEND to give a fuck about marginalized groups when it’s out of spite, or when you can use it to excuse yourself of horrid actions?? Okay I see you!!!
Now take SEVERAL. Seats.
#of COURSE any racist comments were undeserved but you can’t use that to try and say it was ‘deserved’ in ANY way#bc any and all racist comments came AFTER y’all started HARASSING CHILDREN.#y’all were ALREADY being awful people towards innocent people you weren’t only lashing out at the racists#not to mention the racism present in trying to frame erlang fans who grew up with the religion as misogynists in and of itself like…#if we’re gonna try and assign one side of the discourse the title of ‘racist’ then my money’s on one side in particular#and trust me. it is NOT the side that you want.#now stop victimizing yourself for harassing children over a poll that was ALLOWED. TO. BE BOTTED. and log off.#asks 🍭☁️#stupid lmktwt discourse
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cultural heritage is something all humans have, it’s a wonderful, complex, sometimes awful and bloody, history of human migration, invention, invasion, sharing and stealing, etc. in defending it you’re absolutely allowed to appeal to the continuance of certain cultural practices and similarities between various cultures, though the question as to the veracity of these claims is a question for historians and anthropologists. but that they exist and can be seen is just people living their lives.
when it comes to generic heritage, however, this is a question for geneticists. this is equally true for all groups, no matter their cultural practices, language, and family history. you can appeal to the continuance of cultural practices or existence of cultural artifacts to assert why genetic continuance is likely, but you cannot and should not use it to justify why scientists should not be able to carry out their research unimpeded by people making claims on culture. this is equally true for all groups. geneticists work in genetics, and it’s their study that is supposed to get us closer to the truth of human migration patterns, etc, not to the dissemination of cultural practices. they are related but they’re not the same, and though scientists are just as liable to bias and discrimination as anyone else, this is not a fair reason why they should have to feel bad about engaging in work others have labelled controversial. this is not at all difficult to understand, and I don’t know why anyone is coddling this anti-intellectual idea that geneticists should be considered racist or phobic in some way for doing nothing more than their jobs.
#obviously geneticists are human and can be racist and/or -phobic#but I’m talking about the actual act of doing research itself even if controversial being deemed inherently problematic#not that the history of genetics has never been used to justify scientific racism#moth.txt
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Man it's not that the Alliance is not bad, because they are and they could be worse, but homogenizing the Alliance when you mean to say "human" is just as annoying as homogenizing the Horde as "irredeemable savage war criminals".
But let's be real, the way Blizzard (in their infinite racism) wrote most of the Horde races is pretty bad, like we have alien invaders who actually came to colonize, we have a group who constantly uses chemical weapons, a whole civilization built upon sacred troll land and genocide and we have a guy who built Mount Rushmore on native Night Elf land... like it's not a good track record. These are things as bad as the stuff the Alliance has done, if not some being worse.
Saying "Well Horde actually good and Alliance bad" is equally stupid as saying the opposite. The trolls, tauren, vulpera etc, haven't done anything terrible, or have done very little just how the draenei, gnomes and who have you from the Alliance have nothing to do with Stormwind politics.
I think faction discourse is the most annoying thing both tumblr and twitter produces, because we argue which faction is bad and which is good, instead of discussing why Blizzard shoved the majority of the non-white coded races into the faction that they write to constantly commit terrible things while the other one does moderately terrible things. Maybe the racism call is coming from inside the house.
#me for the 1000th time trying to explain to people#that you can and SHOULD criticize the meta and the writing itself rather than just the text#neither the horde nor the alliance wrote themselves#and blizzard has a great track record of being incredibly racist
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it’s sad how india who once recognised palestine as it’s own nation is now assisting israel in it’s genocide it’s awful it’s sick. as a country who was colonized and invaded for centuries, are ignoring the value and parallel of the palestinian resistance. especially those specialists in history. rot.
#before anyone says khamas-#khamas is not even a major concern#this has been happening before october seventh#palestinians are being wiped off and before anyone says it’s a jews vs muslims thing#one of the earth’s oldest christian lineages are being wiped off by people who came from fucking brooklyn#holocaust survivors themselves are against israel#and jewish people who see the hindu jewish solidarity tag on tumblr#they support a communalist ideology that has inspired itself off of hitler and mussolini#hindutva is not hinduism its a facsist ideology inspired from antisemitism#and israeli’s are wiping off and illegalising yiddish so#and they are very racist#medu rambles#desiblr#free palestine#india#i might not like congress for prompting the anti sikh riots and the exodus in kashmir#but these guys had the guts to deny israel visa and be against south africa.#apartheid and support nelson mandela in a time where uk and us considered him a terrorist#people who call themselves bhagat singh on this site and then go on and support an apartheid settler colony#fuck you
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Well, I now know what original story I'll be writing for Freedom February ...
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Can't wait for people who use l33tspeak or are greek mythology nerds to immediately realize what is happening with the lore and are excited to see how it plays out.
#Freedom February#very VERY long rambly tags to follow#“robot slave rebellions are boring and cliche” -- maybe if you're not interested in writing interesting thought-provoking stories of#solidarity and intersectionality and caring about people who are different from yourself and actually talking#about the actual reality of what a future with enslaved sentient disposable people would look like for the robots AND the oppressed people#who are all going to be laboring under the hell that is capitalism turned up to 100? That we're already seeing glimpses of now#with AI replacing creatives at every turn and forcing people out of jobs to starve on the streets? Of “algorithims” victimizing and#traumatizing people who are being paid cents on the hour by american companies to moderate the most horrific content known to man???#If robots and AIs became sentient beings who exactly do you think is going to be the ones standing side by side with them???#it called all the other oppressed people who are treated like theyre not even human because they're of a different social class or#have a different skin color or speak a different language or werent born in a certain country#“robot slave rebellion” writtren in 2024-onwards is all going to be about solidarity and intersectionality#between the enslaved robots and the oppressed people who are kept downtrodden by the billionaires and upperclasses#This long ramble + my original idea are inspired by both#my delight at the transformers *fandom* actually doing something with Megatron being “evil” because he led a slave revolt against slavers#and also my ire at a peticular book series which had so much potential and shot itself in the foot#by repeatedly demonizing enslaved people and repeating the racist rhetoric#that enslaved people- if freed- will immediately violently enact slavery on their previous owners -- aka reverse racism in a nutshell!!!!#thats now how it works and if youre insiting it is in 2024 sorry but youre part of the problem'
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Since we're both as unwell about him as we are I consider you to be someone who knows a fair amount and what do you genuinely think the real James Fitzjames would feel if he saw the Terror's depiction of him? (As in watching the whole show)
HUH good question. first of all i think he'd be a little discombobulated by the very experience of watching a tv show but personally i choose to believe he'd at least be happy he was made into one of the main characters?? and that so many cool and sexy insane people are obsessed with him now <3
having said that. as much as i love show!fitzjames they did nerf him down A LOT. they robbed him of the joyous whimsy that was such a characteristic trait of the real jokester supreme fitzjames (show!fitzjames also has little to no relationship with his irl lieutenant buddies which. sad.)
we also know now that. most probably. he was actually fully english so i can only imagine he'd be Not Pleased about the cairn scene to say it lightly lmao imagine you and your adoptive family making significant efforts throughout your whole life to disguise the fact of your illegitimate birth and then 150 years later some people make a high rating show where they babygirlify you not only spill your secret to the millions of people watching (or secrets, plural, and make you call yourself a fake as a cherry on top lol) but they also get it wrong and make it Even Worse (from a victorian englishman's perspective) like stop guys he's already dead lmfao
having said that. he would have loved the britannia costume and the your nails are a terror line. i know he would.
#look. i personally think it'd be SO funny#like. look. listen. we reblog pictures and memes of him and say how hot and funny he was and it is all true.#dude was incredible and funny as shit and he did do drag and kick ceilings and id give anything to fuck him woah who said that#but he was ALSO an early 19th century white englishboy colonialist lol#(so is show!fitzjames like please my beautiful racist wife is so much more than just her gender issues and stigmata guys....)#and we dont really know much of his actual feelings on crozier (sick owl... i think of that one a lot) so who knows#maybe they did end up in a fucked up yet heartfelt and deeply intimate homoerotic relationship in the end#but it'd be much funnier if they didn't and actually ended up really fucking hating each other lol#id love to lock them both in a room with nothing but a tv screen playing a compilation of their scenes together on a loop#(the 'are we brothers' scene itself is looped three times for maximum awkwardness damage)#ANYWAY#obv we know francis crozier said rpf is fine but we dont know what's fitzjames's stance on that one....#it doesnt matter anyway. get gendered yaoid and portuguesed idiot#the terror#james fitzjames#og jfj#i wish they'd given tobias the signature forehead curl that makes me lose my mind on the real fiztjimbles#but i want to believe he'd enjoy being portrayed as god's most beautiful specialest little princess in a james ross wig
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