#and don’t even get me started on c!wilburs ending

[mioakem]

the dsmp has made me so numb to good stories with dogshit endings bc nothing will ever compare to the falloff of the dsmp story cause how do u fumble an ending that badly (this is a desperate call out for dsmp ending rewrite fics plsplspls)

[mellorphic]

In Defence of c!Niki - a Four Part Analysis of Every Arc

People who didn’t watch C!Niki see, in the fandom, a big sister type character with girlboss energy who wants to kill a child. Niki isn’t that. She has a well-written narrative which focusses a lot on her relationships with others. Here is me breaking it down!

PART ONE: c!Niki’s Early Days (you are here)

PART TWO: c!Niki’s Rebellion

PART THREE: c!Niki’s Disillusionment

PART FOUR: c!Niki’s Healing

Niki joined the server a little while after the L’Manberg War for Independence and she immediately joined the nation as Wilbur invited her to it. Of course, Niki was close with Wilbur from the beginning and quickly she got close to Tommy and Fundy too. But a relationship that I find interesting was her bond with Eret.

From the get go, Niki is told by L’Manberg (read: Tommy and Wilbur) that Eret was a traitor and wasn’t trustworthy, and while she understood their apprehension, she remained friendly with Eret as they were nice to her. She had no real reason to dislike him because she had not been there during the war and therefore wasn’t betrayed by her.

Wilbur ends up talking to her about this.

N: you know I’m loyal to you, Wil! You know I’m loyal to you.

W: I don’t- I want you to be loyal to L’Manberg.

N: and to L’Manberg! I am!

W: […] just stick with L’Manberg! That’s all I’m looking for- that’s all I look for in- in a woman- <laughs>

N: I promise, I promise I will

W: okay..okay, I’ll trust you..

N: I mean, y’know, that is why I joined! I joined to join the independent nation, didn’t I?

W: you did.. you did. You did. And just not their independent nation.

N: no. Our independent nation.

I think this is the first really important bit of Niki’s character - she is loyal. But she won’t take what people tell her and trust it blindly. She wants to form her own opinions on things and on people rather than listening to what others tell her about them. And yet, even when she ends up disagreeing with someone on something it doesn’t affect their relationship. Niki quickly begins to trust Eret a lot and Wilbur doesn’t trust him at all. Despite this Niki remains loyal to Wilbur and assured him she’s loyal to L’Manberg too.

That’s another thing - she promised Wilbur she was loyal to L’Manberg. And she kept this promise for as long as she could. Throughout this analysis I’m going to reference this promise a lot because while it’s a mostly forgotten piece of lore I think it has a lot of potential to be bigger and to be talked about a lot more often.

Additionally, I think this shows that Niki is pretty good at reading people - she obviously knows Wilbur very well and can read him because of this, even starting to say ‘and to L’Manberg’ before Wilbur had even finished saying he wanted her to be loyal to it. At the same time, she’s able to figure out from Eret’s behaviour that he’s trustworthy. Analysing motives and behaviour is how Niki figures out who to trust and it’s important to remember this for the Manberg era when suddenly the behaviour and motives of people around her didn’t match up.

Niki showed her loyalty by making the nation’s flag, by telling Wilbur her fox Fungi was the mascot of L’Manberg, by creating her bakery, and by giving everyone lots of gifts. I’ve said it before that she was the soul of L’Manberg. She loved that nation and she lived and breathed its ideals. C!Niki was an idealist. I truly think she would’ve been happy to remain in L’Manberg forever, if it hadn’t changed. Unfortunately, though, change is inevitable and attachment is a main theme on the Dream SMP, and there were many people attached to L’Manberg. It wasn’t ever going to remain the same.

The first pet war was the first time we really saw how strong of a moral code c!Niki had, and it’s something a lot of people think she only developed later on. While she was initially angry at Sapnap, Niki only wanted an apology (but she refused to beg for one). She never wanted revenge like Tommy and Fundy did.

Early Niki is often regarded as naive, but I genuinely don’t think that was ever the case. She was kind and compassionate but she was never a pushover and she’s always been headstrong.

Niki joined Coconut2020 in the elections as Fundy had told her they could bring peace to the Nation and make it better. It’s important to note that she was extremely upset when she learned he had committed voter fraud. Niki cheered despite coming in last place and this made it clear she’d be happy regardless of whether or not she won, as long as the people were happy.

[cryingtulips]

loveless thoughts

Arospec c!Tnt duo || wc: 1,486 || can be seen as qpr or something else

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“I don’t think I’m meant for romance,” Quackity whispers one night. “I think I’m too broken for it.” If there’s one thing Quackity has learned, he is not meant for soft things. After everything he’s been through, he is hardened, he is bitter, and he is selfish. “I don’t think I even know what love is.”

Wilbur shifts from his spot on the couch, head bumping into Quackity’s legs. They’ve been doing this lately, sleeping over at Quackity’s. At first, Wilbur said it was because it was too cold in his van, but Quackity knows it's because he gets lonely.

It's obvious with the way Wilbur clings to people, even when he “hates” them. Except Wilbur, as far as Quackity knows, has never hated him. Jealous? Maybe. Quackity can’t tell what goes on Wilbur’s head, but he’s certain Wilbur doesn’t hate him– not when he holds him and helps ground Quackity through nerve pains, not when he asks how Quackity’s day has been while making dinner, or when they spend the afternoon drinking bitter wine and then sleeping comfortably in Quackity’s bed.

He’s not sure what they would call their relationship, but Quackity knows it's not based on hate.

“What do you mean?” Wilbur asks, lifting his head to gaze into Quackity’s eyes, reassuring Quackity that his worries, his concerns and thoughts were being listened to. Were being valued. 

Quackity hums. “Well, I’m not really sure? It feels like with everything that's happened to me, I think... I feel like I keep fucking up. Either I get assholes of husbands or I mess up with the best people I have ever met.”

“Well, that can’t be completely true, can it?”  Wilbur inquires. “What about you with Karl and Sapnap? You must have been doing something right, if you three were engaged."

“That’s just the thing,” Quackity starts for the rings that used to sit on his neck, freezing as he remembers he threw them away the day Karl blamed him for a death that wasn’t his fault and Sapnap didn’t bother defending him, not when it meant choosing him over Karl. 

He feels Wilbur grab his hand, and he breathes in as scared fingers massage his own, the rising tension leaving his body with a sigh. “I feel like I didn’t belong with them. Sure, I knew they loved me, and I loved them back, but it felt like an act. And at first I thought, hey, maybe it's because of Schlatt. Maybe he fucked my capability for romance so much I’m incapable of recognizing it. But—”

“But,” Wilbur continues, “no matter how much you try to understand, or to fit in with what others think love is, it feels fake. And you end up feeling like a puppet trying to pretend you’re normal. But others know. They always end up knowing.”

Quackity stares at their hands, connected despite the abnormalities of their relationship. “Yeah,” he says softly. “Something like that.”

“Have you ever considered you might be loveless, Quackity?”

“What?” Quackity stares at Wilbur. “What the fuck is loveless?”

“What we just described,” Wilbur chuckles “It’s not a bad thing, you know. To be loveless.”

Quackity looked back to their hands, and thought about Wilbur’s words, his understanding of what Quackity was describing. “Is that what you are?”

“Yup. A shame I didn’t realize sooner too, probably could’ve saved some headaches,” he chuckled, but there was a lack of warmth to it. Quackity, as he learned pressure helps ground Wilbur to the present, wrapped his arms around the brunette. The taller man, in contrast to the firm stature he was always projecting, was always quick to curl up in Quackity’s arm, squeezing just as tightly.

Tapping his fingers on Wilbur’s arm, Quackity asked, “Do you mind explaining your experience with it. I don’t know if I’m…that. But I wouldn’t mind trying to understand it.”

“No need to treat it like a curse,” Wilbur teased with the roll of his eyes as he shifted to get more comfortable. “Growing up, I’ve never understood the premise of love. All my life I’ve struggled feeling like an actor, not sure how much of that is an issue with me or because of who my parents are. And yes, I care for others, and I love them, but it’s more like I love the idea of them. And I know that sounds awful, but it’s true. ”

“I’ve tried to love others like normal, that’s how I ended up with Fundy,” Wilbur whispers, like it’s something he’s never admitted before. “And look how that ended up.”

Quackity stays quiet, until, “You said being loveless can be a good thing.”

Wilbur blinks, “Huh?”

“You said it’s a good thing, but you haven’t mentioned anything good.”

“Oh,” Wilbur said. “Sorry, guess I got caught up in my memories.” 

He stared at the ceiling, getting his thoughts in order this time. “Maybe I should have prefaced,” Wilbur starts, “That being loveless is very complicated, and depending on your experience, your reasoning for being loveless may be completely different from mine.”

Quackity asks, “And your reasoning?”

“As a result of my autism, I’ve always felt disconnected from the normal portrayal of love. I show my affection differently, and the intensity of my attachments have labeled me as...well, a villain,” Wilbur explains. “Being loveless means I don’t need to justify my existence for the comfort of others who will never like me, especially those that will only judge me for…for my death. I don’t need to justify my disconnect,” Wilbur smiles.

”Being loveless means I don’t need to explain or prove my humanity to others.”

Quackity stays silent, processing the information, before asking, “How can you call yourself loveless and say you feel deep attachments within the same sentence? Doesn’t that contradict the whole thing?”

Wilbur hums, struggling to explain. “Not really, because attachments, caring for others, and the concept of love are separate things. Or at least they are to me. I know this server doesn’t have the best examples of this, but it’s true.”

“Then what is an example?”

“Us,” Wilbur says simply, like it was always destined to be Wilbur and Quackity, yin and yang in everything including how they feel about each other. “We don’t have any romantic attraction to each other, but that doesn’t stop me from cooking you dinner, or you checking up on me. It doesn’t stop us from caring about each other’s well being. But that’s just it, it’s care. A mutual understanding of our struggles and the knowledge we can help. To me, that’s not love, it's compassion.”

Wilbur continues, “We will never love each other, we’re just incapable of it. Or at least, I am. But I don’t want to see you in pain, and I want you to be happy in life. I don’t want to start calling each other sweethearts, I don’t want to kiss, and I don’t want to be your partner. I’m not concerned for you because I’m hoping one day we will be partners, that’s just— I’m not capable of loving others that way. And I don’t want to define each other in such a way.”

“Then why do you care for me?” Quackity asks, “Why care for anyone?”

Wilbur starts to tap his finger against his legs, and Quackity has to fight the urge to curl his hands around them. “I’m not sure how to explain. I’m not obliged to care for you, but I do. I like to think that matters, at the end of the day. Choosing to care, choosing to take care of others, regardless of loving them or not.”

“I see,” Quackity pursues his lips, struggling to understand.

There’s definitely some aspects of loveless that he resonates with, such as not wanting to define himself around the concept of love, or wanting to justify how he or others act because of it. But there’s also aspects that he doesn’t understand, and he understands that this is simply because his relationship and experience with the concept of love is completely different from Wilbur. Acknowledging this doesn’t help, however, and it causes a sense of doubt if loveless fits. Maybe he’s not broken, but different in a way not even aromanticism can explain. 

He comes back to the feeling of gentle hands in his feathers, and a warm body weighing him back to reality. Wilbur’s words echo back to him, that he cares not for the expectation of Quackity giving something back, but because he simply wants Quackity to be ok. Compassion, not love and not out of obligation, but want.

Quackity leans his head onto Wilbur’s.  At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter if Quackity is loveless, only if it helps him feel less alone, maybe a bit more understood, as it has for WIlbur. Maybe there’s a community out there, of people like him and Wilbur, just waiting to be seen.

[enneamage]

i hate reflecting on dsmp plot points and their irl parallels because if i think about tommy putting half his traumatic life experiences (stalking, getting bullied badly) onto his oc in various levels of execution and then not giving him a happy ending i start going crazy. the dsmp finale lining up with groomer allegations and c!tommy forgiving his abuser at the same time was so 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 they were pushing propaganda /j

the varying levels of how much someone was an oc and how much they separated their character from themselves and the parasocial birds eye view we could get from those people based on how they played situations (tommy, dream, wilbur to me all had themselves embedded into the core of their ocs to a certain degree; dream with his own entitlement just taken to an extreme, wilbur’s mix of narcissism & self-hate, tommy, oh chommy 😞) like for sure with some people who came in late and thus came in with separation of themselves from the story it’s not fully fruitful to analyze but those early people who just straight admitted “this was me, this is straight up what i think i would do in this situation” i think parasocial brain should be allowed to go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr for at least half an hour like. something something imbuing your subconscious feelings into what your creating something something I need to be Sedated

The DSMP ending lands very bitter in retrospect because the note they end on is a yearning for things to go back to being simple again. A few of the plot threads leading up to it had themes of “I wish things were back the way they were before all this” and the implication was that Volume Two was going to be that. It’s safe to say that there was too much real history put behind the CCs by the time it all built up, you can’t turn back time. 

Chommy indeed suffered but I’m too much of a hardass to let him off the hook 100%, c!Tommy was a lot of Tommy’s capacity to dig his own grave and then not understand why he’s in This Big Fucking Hole. The difficulty with seeing others points of view fully was present in C! And CC, and was tied into his ending when he challenged himself, which while inevitably not perfect I saw the vision for at the time.

C!Dream stays with me because of the communication breakdown inherent to his character. Lost in a plot to make things right again and looking to a future that he can devise mechanically because he couldn’t have it naturally. The way knee-jerk instincts and mechanics brain got in his own way, lost in a plan he buried his feelings in.

I’ve written on Wilbur too many times we don’t gotta linger on it. But damn. 

Q turning envy into ambition and then dicking himself and his employees over on the back of his own hubris. 

Honestly I even have one eye on Charlie’s slime bit being about pretending to be ‘normal’ but missing the mark in terms of imitation from time to time. Being a natural at improv can be very double sided if it goes deep enough.

[rozugold]

If you were going to write a happy ending for c!tommy what would it look like

You mean you want me to ramble about the ending I’ve made in my head that specifically caters to me? Because I will ramble about the ending that specifically caters to me

So. Wilbur still leaves* and Tommy spirals and becomes deadest on killing Dream. He believes that all of his problems will be solved once he’s is out of the picture. He gets Tubbo and they jump Dream, run over to Punz, he reverses it and they capture clingyduo. Same as canon. (But I would change some dialogue that really bothered me, like the revive book having mind control powers and of course the staged disc finale.)

Clingy duo escape at the sacrifice of Tommy’s discs I guess. They come up with the nuke plan but instead of blowing up the prison Tommy plans on leading them out to logstedshire to cause the least damage. (Since I still think it’s really stupid that changing the trajectory of the nuke just slightly to the left would destroy the whole server. As if just hitting the prison wouldn’t cause the same amount of damage??)

(Also while we’re here Jack wouldn’t be involved in any of this because I hc his issues got sorted out during the stream where he blew up the hotel. He was able to get his closure and move on, don’t ask me how justwaituntiligettohiminpaintedillusions cough cough) Anyways.

Tommy sorta hits his lowest. He prepares to die. He dons his full L’Manburg uniform for the occasion (because the idea of him always planning to be buried in his uniform makes me lose my mind) At this point he thinks he’s lost everything. He’s ready to go down with the ship. At least he thinks he is…

Tubbo says totems won’t save him but he offers Tommy one anyways because he hopes he’s wrong. And Tommy takes it because he hopes he’s wrong too.

Tommy sets off to get the grilled cheese duo and succeeds in leading them to logstedshire. How? Uhh maybe he snuck in the prison with invisibility and yoinked a book from them. Something drastic enough to scare them into chasing after him.

They make it to logstedshire and I won’t go too into it because I’m making an animatic to better explain all this but Tommy is determined to go down laughing and Dream takes some L’s.

Nuke hits, Logstedshire is destroyed Dream and punz are dead and Tommy is alive. Tommy is alive and that shakes him up a bit. I don’t think it fully hits him until the next day. But physically he’s okay minus the new glittery golden streak in his hair (it’s barely noticeable unless he’s in the sun which I think is funny. Gets a cool hairstreak and it’s not even that visible, how unfair!)

Then we get to the fun part! A slow and thorough journey of Tommy unpacking all the shit he went through. Because surprise! Killing Dream didn’t solve everything like he hoped it would. The happy ending is that Tommy is given the chance to work towards his happy ending, yknow?

I imagine that when he hit his lowest point, yknow preparing to die, that he doesn’t quite leave that point. He thinks he does because he’s running off the adrenaline of finally defeating Dream. But he doesn’t quite realize how unfair and dangerous it was for him to have to do that in the first place. And in time he starts to realize that with Tubbo’s help (and maybe other characters help too, maybe Wilbur hears about what happened and comes back, of course there’s Quackity too. All the people who care about Tommy come to support him but they’re too late. They’re too late and have to realize that. They weren’t there for Tommy when he needed them but they’re here now.)

Tldr: What would a happy ctommy ending look like if I wrote it? Dream dies, and Tommy sets off on the journey to unpack all his trauma and learn how to find his happiness with his small support system. (So basically what I’m doing with Painted Illusions sksjjdj)

Also to be clear this is just the little world/au that lives in my head. This isn’t what I wanted the real ending to be. I don’t think all these ideas are very feesible in the medium of streaming. So if you had asked me what I think should’ve been done differently with the finales I would have a different answer.

*I still dislike the fact that Wilbur left at all. I feel like his story would’ve been stronger if he had stayed and healed. But for the sake of this specific ending he’d have to leave for Tommy to go to spiral the way he does

[m0on-shro0m]

I had another Life Series Dream last night and my god it was the most vivid and fucking hilarious AND IT FELT LIKE AN ACTUAL VIDEO OF WHAT THE MEMBERS ACTUALLY WOULD!

So we start this new season. The gimmick of this season- was surviving from other players disasters/destruction. Which means a player is able to build up their disaster by completing small tasks as if they were building up for a craft recipe.

We have our teams (from what I can barely remember because it mainly revolves around one team)

Grian, Martyn, and Jimmy as one team.

(The Main Bois which is just so real because these are the three I watch first)

Mumbo and Tubbo as one team.

Impulse on his own team.

Tango and Skizz as one team.

Boat Boys aka Joel and Etho as one team.

Cleo as one team.

Scott is his own team.

(He like appears once)

Everyone else was disregarded from my dream, sorry lot!

It starts off with Martyn, Grian and Jimmy just absolutely goofing around. They’re acting all if they are some podcast group or something and god they were just back and forth in the dream with the jokes.

Then suddenly disaster appears.

Everyone was able to build up to self destruct.

So Team LittleSolidGrian are digging a bunker underground and joking about showers and stuff (idk but it was apparently funny to me in the dream) alls before they run into Impulse while on the run for resources.

It’s all good and fun though, because they’re all just cracking jokes and having a jolly ol’ time and Scott even joins in at some point-

Then Impulse releases a fucking the witherstorm. MF SOMEHOW JUST SUMMONS THE WITHERSTORM ALL EPIC LIKE AND JUST GOES FULL ON C!WILBUR! FUCKING SCOTT DIES AND HE NEVER RESPAWNS BECAUSE THIS SEASON THERE IS ONLY ONE LIFE!

So Jimmy, Grian, and Martyn are panicking obviously and running away to their bunker which had been destroyed with tnt. So they had to face the Witherstorm unwillingly.

Running and panicking and still goofing, the three bump into Etho and Joel who are just going straight into battle with the Witherstorm (Joel did, Etho just stayed put and was shooting arrows at the command block.)

Skizz and Tango pop up starts helping as well by building or something before getting fucking gobsmacked and died. Joel dies and Etho abandons ship and then dies I think? I don’t know he just peace’s out.

LittleSolidGrian then bumps into Tubbo and Mumbo who are taking refugee in the third corner of the world. Making a pretty base. It’s all fine and dandy and boom the Witherstorm appears again.

This time Grian steps up to the plate. He had about enough of running and just goes all Watcher mode. Beating the shit out of the Witherstorm and splitting it in three parts. Then he dies.

This is when shit gets real and chaotic and I can only remember a lot of explosions from self destructing or something.

Cleo is here and sacrifices herself to kill one part of the Witherstorm.

Martyn and Jimmy both self destruct to kill the other part of the Witherstorm.

Mumbo and Tubbo are just left absolutely shocked and traumatized. There was just one Witherstorm left and it was heading for their home— so Mumbo stepped up, running very pathetically silly and makes a one off joke “Oh- oh this my land! *something something*” and he explodes.

And he missed half of the Withstorm and he’s just laughing his ass off as a ghost because he failed with his horrible land pun. Then Tubbo finished it off.

THE END! (I wish I could remember all the jokes because I was actually laughing in my sleep)

[bistaxx]

JINX !! tell me why you ship Quackity x Luzu and why you dont ship Quackity x Wilbur I need to know the Lore

Hiiiiiiiii Vin! oh gosh- I'll try to condense this as much as I can OKAY SO...

yeah I don't vibe with tntduo 😭- I already talked about q!tnt so I'll just explain about c!tnt instead:

Why don’t you ship it: The Fandom. Listen I hate saying it but it really is 90% of the reason why- I always try not to let annoying fandom stuff sour my opinions but like... MAN- Because like I actually did really use to enjoy /r tntduo fuck man I was shipping it back in October 17th 2020 after the moment in the button room and especially after the famous Niki's birthday stream like- idk I just liked the dynamic and the chemistry it was fun! I was even still shipping it when I first started getting really into the c!fiances and was hyped when Wilbur and Quackity met up again... but then. IDK- something about the fandom take on their dynamic just didn't click with me it didn't feel like the same characters I enjoyed ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE WAY C!QUACKITY WOULD GET TREATED- like GIRL- Quackity would not cave and be visibly annoyed or flustered by the first jab Wilbur makes hello-??? or the fanart that would portray Wil as like completely disregarding Q's personal space as this 'teehee funny flirty' thing like I HATED that shit- I also just hated how when I tried to look up c!fiances content I had to filter like 5 million tags to actually find what I was looking for because there'd be so many c!tnt fics that had the fiances tagged in them and 50% of the time it was just so Quackity could break-up with them for Wilbur 😭 I also just like got sick of seeing it everywhere when I wanted to find c!Q content it felt like it was inescapable and that people only cared for my favorite character solely to mischaracterize him in a ship I was quickly growing tired of... yeha I think that sums it up-

What would have made you like it? Um.. All of the above not happening LMAO-

Despite not shipping it, do you have anything positive to say about it? Like I said earlier I DID really like it and I have tnt shipping mutuals who do the dynamic justice even if I got super burnt out on it (shoutout to Thes)

... So anyway uh- SO LUCKITY-

(this will be a lot shorter despite how much I have to say about Luckity I'm just really tired rn SORRY 😭)

This will be about k!Luckity specifically cuz I rly don;t have much of anything to say about q!Luckity outside of finding Arinckity cute

What made you ship it? Started for the fluff and stayed for the toxic ship 😈- GOD Quackity and Luzu fucking outdid themselves with Luckity in Karmaland V like dude it's just so good- like looking back on it the writing was already on the walls that they were so doomed from the very start- like they somehow manage to be both "it's tragic because it didn't have to end this way" and "it's tragic because it was always gonna end this way." if that makes sense. But god at the start it was just so easy to overlook the blaring the red flags because they'd give us just enough hope that it'd end well only for the rug to get pulled during the elections and the whole dynamic get's flopped on it's head but now instead of cute fluff or funny flirting it's this Angry passion and resentment- from start to end they were devoted to each other whether in hatred or in love. The build-up and payoff were both just amazing even if I felt miffed about the ending of the arc at first I've since come to love it because really it's just the cherry on top of their tragedy leaving the possibility they could just end up doing it all over again yeah <3 They were The Moment yeah!

What are your favorite things about the ship? A lot of things but like- I love that they're sun and moon coded <33333 I remember associating them with sun/moon imagery before they took those iconic photos with the sun and moon and like I was so hyped when that happened <3 my toxic sun/moon boys yeah <3

Is there an unpopular opinion you have on your ship? Not really no- but HEY check out this web weave I made about Luckity that I'm still super proud of and debate remaking one day: X :3

[saltwatersweets]

How did you get into dsmp, when did it start, who are your favs, who do you dislike, any hot takes, what did you think of the finale, what species do you hc the characters

1. i started watching dreams content early april 2020, at a little before 3 mil subscribers! i started watching dteam clips not too long after and so knew about the dream smp’s existence early early on, before there was lore. however i only used youtube at the time and didn’t even know there was lore at all until i saw sad-ist’s first dsmp animation (i have been a fan of hers since i was around twelve or thirteen; its funny that the dsmp introduced a lot of people to sad-ist but for me sad-ist introduced me to the dsmp!) a couple months later when lore started really picking up i started posting more about it on social media.

2. i think youre asking for fave characters, in which case im pretty basic. top five are likely gonna have to be 1) c!dream, 2) c!quackity, 3) c!sam, 4) c!tommy, and then i’d say c!techno, c!niki, and c!tubbo are all tied for fifth!

3. i wouldnt say i outright dislike any characters. i personally never really cared for c!schlatt and i especially havent really cared much for c!wilbur since like, the election arc. nothing against them personally, or fans of those characters, they just dont really interest me personally. that might change soon though!!

(this ended up being so long so more under the cut 💀)

4. i suppose my only real hot take is that again, the justification for what c!dream went through during prison arc can easily be used to justify what c!tommy went through during exile arc; i believe there are certain things that no one can deserve to go through and torture/manipulation like that are two of those things. i’ve already said that before but its really my only lore hot take i’d say i can word well (i have a lot of thoughts in my head and never have ANY idea how to word them 😭)

as for any hot takes regarding ccs, i wouldnt say i have any big ones either but they might put me in hot water with some people anyway LOL. i believe that everyone should be given chances to change for the better and that a person having bigoted views in the past because of how they were raised and no longer having them in the present is a Good Thing!! no one should be expected to be perfect for their entire lives. positive change is always good i think and it should be encouraged, for any cc and person in general. finally regarding any friendships in the dsmp that are broken now, i dont want to blame one single person in any friendship. we don’t know what fully happened behind the scenes and nor should we ever - its private.

5. this question ended up being perfect timing because i JUST caught up on the finale like two hours ago 😭 havent watched all the full streams but have seen the major clips so i could understand what happened. i was actually just about to post about it, but i loved it!! i’m a big c!discduo apologist and enjoy how it handled both their characters. c!tommy did do bad things (though that doesnt mean he deserved the bad things done to him)!! c!dream did a Lot of bad things (though that doesn’t mean HE deserved the bad things done to him)!!

i thought the way it handled their characters was pretty good for a minecraft roleplay and i find the fact that it caused so much discourse (especially about someone who from what i know wasnt even a main writer for it?) pretty stupid lmao. especially when i see tommy fans saying the finale sucked when from what i know tommy was one of the people who had a huge part in writing it?? lmao 😭 (not hating on tommy or his fans i just think its funny). i think that expecting a perfect and neat story of abuse on a MINECRAFT ROLEPLAY full of a bunch of minecraft streamers in their teens/early twenties was asking for disappointment.

i think the finale ended up being really profound especially with the irl stuff going on at the time (and what was to come in the future). how broken friendships played such a huge role on the server and just a year or so later many of the irl friendships would be broken. one thing that especially got to me was how much of a point was made that immortality wasnt right and it was important to live your life and enjoy it with the people you love while you can; that the best things are temporary because you can appreciate them. it was a natural evolution of c!dreams character of course (a necromancer who wanted his world to go back to how it used to be) but the fact that the finale streams happened only a few months after techno’s actual passing was not lost on me.

as for the final couple minutes themselves, i am a little conflicted. i would have loved the story to end with everyone keeping their memories and the idea that they’ll have to figure out how to live after doing everything theyve done; how to make peace with everyone WITH their memories. i’m not sure how season 2 would have gone but the fact is that we’ll never get a season 2 and that this is the ending we’re left with. especially how in a way c!dreams plan to “reset” the server seemed to come to fruition; i think it would have been a better ending for his and the other characters if again they had to live with their memories of what theyd done and try to move on like that. it wasnt really the type of ending that i was hoping the dsmp would have, but i think it served its purpose well. love the c!discduo being friends though!! and i also love seeing fics that take place during “season 2” and after the nuke went off, those always end up being super interesting to me.

6. any of my species headcanons are EXTREMELY basic lmao. duck hybrid c!quackity, creeper hybrid c!sam, goat hybrid c!tubbo, etc etc. i have no big headcanons i’d say - i totally see c!tommy and c!dream as both being 100% human though. i’d say thats my only real headcanon regarding hybrids and species. ive got a lot of headcanons but not too much about that specifically.

[ghosts-and-blue-sweaters]

For cWilbur: 2, 5, 24, and 25

For Ghostbur: 3, 5, 12, and 21!

Wilbur

Favorite canon thing about this character?

Oooh… this is an interesting question, because I’ve actually wondered, time and time again, why I like Wilbur so much. He’s not really my type; I almost always prefer the sweet, kind, overlooked weirdo side characters, and Wilbur is kinda the opposite of that lol. So it’s kinda hard to answer this :0

Probably his angst lol. I hekkin enjoy angst, and boy oh boy does Wilbur have a lot of it! His crippling anxiety during L’manburg, his downward mental spiral during Pogtopia, his breaking point, his time spent in Limbo, coming back with a terrified desperation written all over his features, being unable to process the fact that people—some people—are giving him second chances & showing him genuine kindness… bro. It’s so freaking good.

What's the first song that comes to mind when you think about them?

OOOH OOOH OOOH

Enemy by Imagine Dragons!! It fits him so freakin well during Pogtopia, and other eras of his life too!! Also Fire In The Driveway by Soccer Mommy :’) That song really hurts, and the crimeboys-ness is actually insane.

What other character from another fandom of yours that reminds you of them?

OOOOOOH :0

Cassian Andor!! Specifically from the Andor series! He gives off Wilbur vibes to me—probably because he wears a coat that looks just like Wilbur’s Pogtopia coat XD Also the Angst and Pain and Wet Cat Vibes.

What was your first impression of this character? How about now?

I liked him from the start :) I was actually introduced to the DSMP fandom by a friend, and because watching vods sounded too daunting, she decided to write a fanfic for me that basically took the early L’manburg arc and put it into a story form! So that was my first time interacting with c!Wilbur :)

I thought he was nice & a good leader, and his & Sally’s past relationship intrigued me—as did his relationship with Phil! But other than that, I didn’t have too many thoughts. I liked Wilbur, but I didn’t think about him often.

Now? Oh gosh. He elicits so many emotions within me. He’s in so much pain. He tried to be a leader and it didn’t work. He and Sally didn’t work. He and Phil didn’t work. He and Tommy are broken. He and Tubbo didn’t work. He feels like he is only capable of causing pain and destruction. He’s scared. He wants to be better. He wants to make amends. He’s not good at apologizing. He’s emotional. He treasures every compliment he receives. He’s very sad. He doesn’t get better. He’s trying.

IN SHORT, I ADORE THE MAN. HE’S SUCH A GOSHDARNED CHARACTER. HE’S SO- AAAAAAAA

He was actually my favorite character before Ghostbur was :0 The first year or so I was in the DSMP fandom, Wilbur was absolutely my favorite :) Which sounds strange now aksgajsgajsg but gosh, he’s still very special to me and I think about him a lot.

Ghostbur

Least favorite canon thing about this character?

The fact that he is in Limbo—and not only that, but the fact that he’s happy there. It makes me actually upset to think about.

Being in Limbo is bad enough on its own. It’s horrific!! And Ghostbur believing that he deserved Limbo, and that he failed everyone, and that he hurt everyone… is even worse. Because it’s not like there was anyone there to tell him otherwise 😭

Then Friend came along, which is… good? I’m glad that Ghostbur isn’t lonely anymore, and that he’s reunited with his sheep, but like… I don’t know, I feel like a lot of people—including Ghostbur’s creator—believe that this is a happy ending for Ghostbur. But it’s not. I firmly believe that it’s not.

Ghostbur has Friend, and he’s not in as much pain anymore, and he even calls Limbo his home, but I kinda think that’s… worse, in some ways, than seeing Limbo as what it actually is: a hell. Like on the one hand I’m so relieved that Ghostbur is feeling better, but on the other hand I’m like NO!!! NO GHOSTBUR!!! THIS IS NOT A HAPPY PLACE!!! STOP BELIEVING THAT THIS IS A HAPPY PLACE!!! IT’S NOT!!! YOU DON’T BELONG HERE!!! YOU NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE!!! THIS IS NOT A GOOD PLACE!!!

And it’s a bit of a hopeless situation, because obviously DSMP is over and there’s no more lore coming out, which means that Ghostbur’s story, canonically, ends in Limbo. This has made me cry on a few occasions oh my dear gosh. It’s not happy, I will not believe that it’s happy, and I’m pretty sure it will forever make me upset 😭

What's the first song that comes to mind when you think about them?

Today and Tomorrow by Grace Vanderwaal! The ukulele, the calm, the gentleness… very fitting :’)

Also Friend’s Song by ButterscotchBread!!

OH OH OH!!! CLAP YOUR HANDS BY YOUNG RISING SONS!!! OHHHHH MY GOSH. THE SAD LYRICS COUPLED WITH SUCH A FUN, BOUNCY, HAPPY BEAT?? OH COME ON. THAT IS SO GHOSTBUR.

One more: Sugar In My Coffee by The Narcissist Cookbook. The Ghostbur vibes are off the charts.

What's a headcanon you have for this character?

So many, just so many.

One of my oldest headcanons is that he likes to hold people’s hands & trace over the lines with his finger :) It’s a calm, quiet, repetitive activity, and it makes him very happy—and also shows the other person that he loves them! He really only does this with Tommy, and Tommy quickly grows used to it and basically has no reaction whenever Ghostbur does it. It just becomes Normal, a part of their friendship.

The mental image of Ghostbur gently grabbing onto Tommy’s hand and rubbing his finger over it is just… very touching, to me.

If you're a fic writer and have written for this character, what's your favorite thing to do when you're writing for this character? What's something you don't like?

I really enjoy writing his inner thoughts/exploring the ways he views the world!! He’s truly got such a unique personality, and I’ve found him to be one of the most distinct characters I’ve ever written; his voice is so audible and clear and different, even when he isn’t actually saying anything out loud. He’s such a guy!!

It’s a little hard for me to figure out how to write his amnesia, but I mainly choose not to focus on that, so… it’s not a super big deal for me 😅

[barzfrommarz]

My opinion on fem c!wilbur headcanons even though no one asked

doing this bc I saw someone else do it and I have nothing better to do and I want to talk abt c!wilbur

I used to carry this headcanon back in 2022 when I remember it being most popular (or maybe it’s bc that’s when I first got access to the fandom over on twitter and here) but I kinda only did bc everyone else did it and I don’t know why 😭 I rlly had no sense of individualism back then i guess but I was easy to influence bc I thought ppl would get mad at me for the smallest things (still me today 😛)

I don’t carry anymore and I really don’t care for it at all. Personally to me it started getting kinda stale in a way? Not in like a “I hate it solely because it’s popular” way just that I never personally cared for it that much so I really have no interest in it. (also probably bc I only had it as a headcanon bc everyone else did) I’m also the type of person to project things onto my favorite character so I basically project my transmasc-ness onto c!wilbur and that’s the only way I can see him now (he’s just like me fr)

I’m not sure how popular it still is today but I never really see too many posts about it (especially after dsmp ended and cc!wilbur soot was outed as a abuser) but for a while I do remember it being a super popular headcanon.

(also does anyone else remember there being discourse on twitter abt it? Like I swear I saw some ppl fighting over it bc someone said they didn’t rlly like it but that’s just average twitter behavior)

I personally don’t interpret him in that way anymore like I already said but I have nothing against the ppl who do and I can see why (bc of things said on streams mainly during pogtopia if i’m correct)

I think it’s funny tho how that became the most popular headcanon for him when cc!wilbur hates women (and probably trans people if I had to guess based on how he lied to all of us abt supporting women) bc it would probably make him pissed off to see people taking his cis male character (in his eyes) and making him feminine or transfem so great job guys

final thoughts like I said I don’t rlly care for it anymore I just have my own personal headcanons that I stick by. I hope this post doesn’t come off as hateful it’s not my intention at all :(

[emi-writings]

with all due respect, im not sure I follow your reasoning behind “CC!SBI doesn’t exist”. C!SBI I can understand and agree with, but SBI as a concept extends far beyond just ‘a joke one of them made while tired’?

the core of who is or isn’t “SBI” is pretty solely tied to MCC4, where they promised tommy that if they won he could be added to SBI. This shows, one, that it’s a label they at least use with one another (thus it isn’t just some ‘fandom’ invention with no basis), and two, established who was in SBI— Tommy had to be “formally” added, and since no one else was then the group remains “”exclusive””. Since then they’ve used the term to refer to that group of 4 many times (such as various 4/4 jokes, Techno’s gravity mod video being referred to as a ‘sleepy bois recording’ when being made, etc)

I definitely believe that SBI has multiplie associated CCs, such as Niki, Tubbo, Jack, etc— and I personally don’t care if ppl call them SBI as well! — but others may indeed be more shocked by that because SBI, the 4/4, in terms of the CCs, ….IS a pretty established thing?

I don’t want this message to come across as like. Aggressive or defensive, so I apologize if it has, but I’m just confused as to your own statement because it just seems Factually Incorrect to me— the roles they play may vary, but the people included are pretty clearly defined. Could you maybe clarify more?

So, I watch a lot of Philza streams, including the hardcore streams. And Phil has mentioned, multiple times, that the SBI term is unofficial. Yes, they acknowledge it and are aware of it, but Phil has repeated multiple times that it isn’t official. He’s said so before and after MCC4 (and honestly, do you really think they really would have banned Tommy from "exclusive SBI events" if they had lost?).

The whole SBI thing started out because Phil, Techno and Wilbur all thought that the idea of sending some random picture of a fish on twitter was funny, and Phil decided that maybe the fans should get at least some kind of context, so sent a message he thought was funny. But again, he has stated that it’s not an official term.

And a lot "SBI 4/4" things are made at the expense of fans (the Philza stream where they all kept leaving and joining, the Technoblade Twitch stream with a TommyInnit jumpscare at the end, etc).

It is a fan term. That doesn’t mean that it’s less valid. Especially since they do all care about their fans, so they do acknowledge it as something their fans want.

I feel like I have more to say about this, but I am also very eepy and capitalism is a hellscape. So.

My main point wasn’t even really about SBI, just about how on multiple websites (Tumblr, Ao3, Wattpad, Twitter), things are tagged as SBI and feature other CCs or Cs, but no one has made a fuss about them (like Ranboo, Tubbo, Fundy), but I add Niki in the mix and that’s were the line is.

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i full heartedly believe that the ending for the dsmp wasn’t what like, a vast majority of people had planned.

tubbo stated he didn’t like amnesia endings and starting over and it felt like a cop out and i believe he said he had other plans. like two weeks before the finale he said he and tommy had tried to end it for months but a particular person wouldn’t get back to them.

tommy had just gone on a rant about how awful cdream was and how people who are apologists for him just don’t make sense and he said verbatim he was an abusive character and then like a week later we got that ending

not only was it incredibly rushed, but these people had said months before that plans they had for their endings would be good. tommy said ctommy deserved a good ending and that so did chat. wilbur said the same thing about his character.

they talked before about how bad it’d be for characters who went through the specific depictions of abuse and trauma to not get at least a decent ending.

and of course in real life not all things end well, but when you have a story about a kid being abused in nearly every way a person can be, end up coming to an ‘understanding’ with his abused and then dying alone with him, it’s not a good message for fans who, if you remotely even step foot onto the fandom space on twitter or tiktok, clearly can’t understand that that was wrong.

there is no excuse, not one, for someone to abuse or hurt or harm another person, and there shouldn’t be a moment of understanding. not to mention c!dream’s final reasoning being he just wanted it to be how ‘things used to be’ is complete and utter bullshit. if that was his goal since the beginning, he wouldn’t have hurt his friends like he did. he on numerous occasions straight up said they meant nothing to him or he very actively used them for personal gain and didn’t bat an eye. if he’d wanted things to go back, he could’ve relented and gone and lived with his friends who’d literally made their very own space all to themselves, he could’ve forgotten about everything else.

exile was not a step in that direction. nor was doomsday, or fuck november 16th.

cdream egged techno on in chat on november 16th to set off the withers.

he used an revive book to experiment and torture people to ‘understand death’. he assisted in doomsday purely for enjoyment and to break tommy and effectively kill l’manberg, only to tell tommy at the end of it all that he’s doing it because it’s ‘fun’ and their story has only ‘just begun’. or did we forget about in the prison when he wanted tommy to be his lab rat and be immortal with him, to be someone he could kill and revive over and over. ‘wanted things back to normal’ who spat in the face of anyone who every offered him forgiveness and a chance and actively betrayed them anyway.

bullshit. it was an ending tacked on where it seems the only people who genuinely enjoyed it were people who thought tommy was the bad guy in the story because he was annoying. it was also awfully convenient for the story to wrap up with the ending of understanding an abuser and giving cdream a sympathic reasoning for all of his truly heinous actions in the heat of a controversy that dream himself was in which featured accusations of him taking advantage of the power imbalance he has with fans and messaging underage people online genuinely the announcement for the small ending marathon came out days after that came to light.

and cwilbur, oh cwilbur. ccwilbur had gone on about the importance of the stories we tell and the themes he shared. he said he might not be able to promise a happy ending but he could at least a bittersweet one, or one that wasn’t bad.

but then we had the ‘apology’ streams where almost all of them had him apologize for things he genuinely wasn’t at fault for, such as the ‘betraying technoblade’ bs, don’t get me started on that one, or everything involving phil who was textbook definition neglectful of his son, which according to both their characters seemed to happen well into c!wilbur’s youth.

you had him apologize to eret for… what? being betrayed and being murdered and holding a grudge? and yeah they came to a half assed ‘we were both wrong’ conclusion. need i mention that the person who claimed to help with eret’s part of the script was very very much antil’manberg.

over and over wilbur apologized and got shit on

he had a few good moments with tommy but then he just fucking left. he found out about exile and had such intense feelings that he wanted to kill dream himself, but settled for a trick and apology to tommy and left him there on the beach with some lighthearted jokes. suddenly forgetting that if dream really cared about the discs he would’ve stopped when he had them before. utah, fucking utah, which is an ending i wouldn’t even mind if after the fact we weren’t told it’s an ‘allegory for death’ and that somehow any backstory his character had (knowing tommy long before the smp, growing up with and playing in snow and sword fighting ) is suddenly gone because he was an adult when he was suddenly transported to the smp. all of any sort of prior history we had before is gone. and he’s become a stranger.

and utah wouldn’t be a bad ending if it had something else with it, or if it didn’t mean that wilbur just gave up to forget everyone, or allegory for death died anyway, or whatever it’s supposed to mean now. it could’ve been made bittersweet, i could come up with so many ways that his character could’ve ended without any grand ending, how it could’ve ended in a whisper but still fit.

and GHOSTBUR. what so half of wilbur’s soul is stuck in a separate dimension to suffer for all eternity because the gods abandoned the world. well, save for one god who only rescued one maybe two people from limbo because they were friends with her husband. she couldn’t do that to half her son’s soul, or done that earlier in limbo no. only now, when it meant so much to her husband who doesn’t even really care about his son to begin with.

but i’m meant to sit here and accept that everything ended they way it did when months and months before they talked about these characters being beloved and getting endings they needed and that they deserved, giving chat and viewers the endings they deserved, only for it to very suddenly be rushed with an announcement for ‘season two’ and all the hype of that, which isn’t going to happen and we could tell wasn’t going to happen long before it was even properly announced, and everyone had to go go go wrap up. and i get it they need to move on from the dream smp, they’re doing other things right now that are frankly, really cool.

but i personally think that if that was the case, and they were tired and bored and couldn’t get people to get online at certain times, that they could’ve written out all they had planned, said they wouldn’t be able to complete it in full but here is what we wanted to do, and send it

with as much love for that server as they seemed to have.

it just. those endings were so rushed. and they joke about it. and they talk about how they wanted to do things differently. and they talk and it just.

i don’t know what i’m trying to say anymore i’m just so distraught and hearing that we can’t even have a sucky ending have ambiguity for it being good or bad, and now it’s just ‘oh yeah that escape this character made? it was an allegory for death’ its bs and it sucks it sucks.

i’ve watched these characters since the start. i never missed a strea i watched multiple perspectives. i’ve watched everything and i’ve not forgotten details that these creators seem to and it feels like they crumbled up their characters and shoved them in a drawer to forget about after spending so long writing up these grand and frankly beautiful stories. it’s a novel with an ending chapter that is only a page. it’s a novel with footnotes for an epilogue and it feels so bad.

i still love the story, i love the characters, and there were faults all along in the story but those were nothing but blemishes opposed to the absolute black out ending that meant nothing.

[enneamage]

i'm curious what ur take on ghostbur is bc you've said before that wilbur's characters on the dsmp are really just a part of him taken and exaggerated for purposes to entertain but ofc they hold some truth. there was an analysis on here about wilbur's tendency to cover his crotch when he poses for a camera and it was basically just to make himself seem smaller and almost like a child, and i know ghostbur was infantilized by both the fandom & even wilbur who played into it so i'm wondering if that's connected?

I actually had a Ghostbur take waaaay at the start of this blog where I talked about what I think happened with him. The cock shame post was not me but a work of another mad genius, wherever they are.

I actually don’t think people were meant to infantilise Ghostbur, I think people were supposed to notice that something was wrong with the way he acted because he would set himself up to be pointed or wrong or neglectful so often, but people tended to be so endeared to Ghostbur and his behavior that he got baby-fied anyway. In the mainstream fandom people tend to not notice or fully process the darkness that Wilbur puts in his characters unless its something easier to understand and commonly talked about, like depression or blowing up a country.

In the time Wilbur played him he played the poor little ghost boy card at least sometimes, but I think his ultimate goal had more to do with taking the heat/tension off him as a character while still playing someone who could twist the knife. The scenes with him being ‘accidentally’ callus to c!fundy come to mind for that.

The Ghostbur micro-finale where he gets one (1) friend but is still trapped in the subway forever is about in line with what I expected from him in the end. There’s also a clip of Wilbur being kind of cynical about people’s attachment to the sheep as well, to add to things.

[proudfreakmetarusonikku]

c!Tommy was NEVER malicious towards c!Dream. He was annoying, and he stole, but he had no malicious intent. He genuinely just wanted to have fun and play pranks. He was naive, and he didn’t care about authority, but he never acted to intentionally cause serious harm. He's fought against c!Dream, but never out of any bad intentions- first, he just wanted his discs back, later on he was genuinely terrified for his own life. He has lashed out as a result of trauma, and has caused harm due to that, but these are actions born from genuine terror, and are something he needs help he isn’t getting to reliably move past.

Meanwhile, many of c!Dream's actions were both incredibly cruel and incredibly prolonged. During Exile, he systematically tore down c!Tommy's worth daily, continuing even after c!Tommy was nothing but kind to him, and only ever escalated his cruelty, to the point of essentially falsely imprisoning him in Logsted by the end (by banning him from the Nether, something he has NO authority over, with the implicit threat of death if he ever went). He knew Limbo was painful yet he left c!Tommy to linger for days. He repeatedly threatened c!Tommy with immortality despite his clear terror of the idea, and repeatedly pushed at his triggers. He made a whole torture mixtape and stalked c!Tommy, placing threatening signs, despite the fact he was already terrified and hiding.

The majority of the time, these actions were unprovoked- during Exile, c!Tommy grew to genuinely trust and care for c!Dream and was essentially harmless, after revival he was terrified and desperate and willing to go along with c!Dream's plans if he didn’t revive c!Wilbur, he was petrified after c!Dream escaped prison and just wanted to be safe. The initial act of Exile was because of c!Tommy threatening Spirit- however, c!Dream was already framing c!Tommy for griefs he didn’t do and aggressively pushing for Exile well before c!Tommy did anything to him, suggesting that he would have gone through with it another way if c!Tommy didn’t do so.

Meanwhile, what c!Tommy did in the prison was… question c!Dream on the revival book. Killing the cat was not the provoking incident, despite what some people think. c!Dream made no action to do so until c!Tommy doubted him. This isn’t me saying what c!Tommy did to the prison cat was okay, of course it fucking wasn’t. c!Tommy was angry and afraid and lashing out, like he does often after traumatic events- see when he tortured c!Fundy and c!Conner for information. But, like with Spirit, we are provided ample evidence it wouldn’t have effected anything in the long run.

If c!Dream was genuinely driven to torturing multiple people because a kid was annoying and stole his shit once, that’s on him. c!Tommy's actions could have been prevented easily by providing him a productive outlet. Hell, they probably could have been prevented without ACTIVE ENCOURAGEMENT, which c!Dream did multiple times, when it wasn’t aimed at him. That does not make out c!Dream to be a tortured soul- it makes him out to be dangerously unstable and hypocritical.

In addition, all the reasons c!Dream even cites weren’t even fully started by c!Tommy! c!Sapnap was the first to burn down the Lemon Tree in the events directly proceeding the disc war. c!Sapnap and c!Tommy both decided to kill c!Dream, yet only one of them was ever punished. c!Tommy was never the leader of L'Manberg, and while he was a founder so was c!Tubbo and c!Fundy. Yet c!Tommy gets the brunt of the impact for no fair reason. He is not uniquely flawed, yet he is always the one c!Dream focuses on, something c!Tommy could have literally no control over.

And if c!Dream and c!Tommy having ANY sort of mutual level of harm towards each other was the point of the ending… that’s genuinely a terrible ending! Because it’s completely logically inconsistent to the rest of the story, and requires leaps of logic that don’t make sense.

The idea that c!Tommy drove c!Dream insane falls apart the second you remember other people have done everything he did- and wouldn’t that drive him insane too? If it wasn’t c!Tommy, it'd be c!Fundy, or c!Tubbo. If his first response to non-malicious harm is to ruin someone’s life, not only is he too emotionally unstable to be trusted in ANY position of power, he's a cruel and vindictive person, and that makes any sympathy we are meant to feel fall flat. Why are we meant to root for his friendships if he's so easily pushed into violence? If he's willing to- without consent or proper knowledge- traumatise and irreparably harm many on his way to a big happy family, how am I meant to trust his definition of it is not horrific?

It leaves the finale feeling incredibly confused and emotionally unsatisfying. It feels like characters are changing too quickly, in a way that lacks any catharsis, and it feels inconsistent to the rest of the story. Why is c!Dream suddenly willing to open up? He wasn’t the other times c!Tommy tried to ask him why he did any of this- why is now any different? Why is he suddenly willing to change goals he’s had for years when he’s previously been characterised as having an almost self destructive drive towards them he doesn’t ever let go of?

Why would the man who threw himself into a blackstone hell box to prevent any suspicion from forming in the future despite it not being a pressing issue change his whole plans in fifteen minutes because he learnt “okay, maybe other people also want friends and a simple life”? It’s rushed to the point of incoherence, and makes the whole story feel pointless if it was just building up to a finale that feels like it came from some bootleg version of canon. It’s like a fanfiction written by people with third hand knowledge on the characters and settings.

Besides, even basic logic aside, it’s just not emotionally satisfying. c!Tommy has never gotten a single win on the server that hasn’t been turned against him later, and none of it meant anything. His struggles were pointless, and the whole server would have been better if he didn’t exist, apparently. He continues to be blamed and tormented, and the unfair nature of how he’s treated is never addressed, and he's still being blamed for everything minutes before his death. His suicidal tendencies and trauma are only brought up to be laughed at, and they’re resolved by placing the responsibility on c!Tommy, when he’s already had too much on his shoulders, and that’s framed as a good, positive thing.

Meanwhile, c!Dream never has a single consequence for anything he’s done to c!Tommy- unless you count c!Quackity's torture, but that’s debatable and mostly offscreen. Even the Disc Finale was a win for him all along. He keeps winning and winning and even when he dies it's not portrayed as a consequence, it’s a tragedy. The consequence is placed on c!Tommy, if anything. And that’s generally not a satisfying arc for an antagonist! Hell, it’s not one for a protagonist, even, but for an antagonist, it makes the whole story feel completely pointless, if all we're seeing is our point of view character lose and take all the responsibility.

And, of course, there’s the issue of abuse and suicide being a VERY REAL issue people suffer through. Seeing them portrayed in a way that’s uncomfortable and places the blame on a victim is something that alienates and hurts viewers who are a victim of these issues, potentially spreads harmful messaging, and does nothing to improve a story.

Of course, it is not the responsibility of a story to provide good moral lessons, but if you write a story with uncomfortable implications, that is genuinely a flaw. Improper handling of topics like suicide have been known to cause genuine harm when shown to a large audience- and the DSMP has an audience of millions. Besides that, it’s just not good storytelling to introduce delicate real world topics, and then treat them disrespectfully. It’s uncomfortable, pointless, and makes the characters seem unlikable and cruel at best.

If the CCs didn’t want to handle topics like this, they shouldn’t have. If they didn’t want to deal with the implications of c!Dream torturing c!Tommy, they shouldn’t have had him do that- and they definitely shouldn’t have brought it up in the finale even though it makes the whole thing seem illogical and weirdly cruel towards the character who’s a victim for no reason. They could have stopped at any time, but they didn't.

[sunflowerdaisybee]

I really- really- want a fic where the reader is basically scary as fuck. Like- their intimidating but on the inside just totally soft. Bench trio + SBI? Thank you!

I did the c!Bench Trio and SBI because I don’t write for IRL Techno and thought it would fit better, I hope you don’t mind <3

Summary: If looks could kill, yours would

Pairing: P!Bench Trio & P!SBI X Reader

Pronouns: he/him

[A/n]: Requests are closed, 400 follower special will be posted soon <3

You were often called Technoblade’s disciple as you were typically spotted around him and looked ready to kill at any moment. Though you were far from his disciple, in fact you had never killed, or even thought of doing so, ever.

It was your looks that had made everyone so frightened of you. You personally didn’t see what they were so terrified of, but you weren’t complaining. And while you had never had the need or urge to kill, you always had your weapon holstered at your hip in case of need.

You lived in the tundra with the Technoblade and Philza, and would often get visits from either Wilbur or the three younger boys, you loved when they would bring Michael.

Today was errand day so you, Phil, Tubbo, Michael, Ranboo, and Tommy were all out in town. You had originally planned it to just be you and Phil but the boys insisted on tagging along. You didn’t mind, no one in the market would bother you anyways.

“Michael?”

“Michael, where are you?” The voices of Tubbo and Ranboo caught your attention.

“What happened?” A distressed Ranboo stopped beside you.

“Me and Tubbo were bartering and Michael wandered off, we can’t find him.” You said you’d help look which calmed the tall being a tad.

You roamed around the market area, calling for Michael and asking citizens if they’ve seen him. None of them had seen anything, you were starting to get desperate.

“Have you seen a small zombie piglin boy? He’s about this tall and responds to Michael.”

“I might’ve, but I couldn’t tell you. Unless you really need that information, then perhaps we could work something out.” The shady villager was asking for a bribe, what a douche.

“How about you tell me what you saw or this goes through your head.” You weren’t being serious but you unholstered your weapon and slammed it onto the counter of his stall, the sharp end digging into the wood.

“Two guys in green robes picked him up about five minutes ago, they headed over that way.” You nodded and stalked off in that direction, yanking your weapon out of the counter.

You turned into an alleyway, weapon in hand and a glare on your face. Just like the merchant had said, there were two men in green robes holding Michael, who was clearly in distress.

“Excuse me but I think you have something that belongs to me.” The two men turned to look at you, turning pale at the sight. You looked ready to kill.

They quickly set the piglin boy down, watching as he excitedly ran over to you.

“Hey bud, whatcha doing all the way out here?” They watched in horror as you scooped up the small boy, switching immediately into baby voice. Thinking they could escape, they attempted to run out the other end of the alley, only to be blocked by large wings and many weapons.

“Not so fast mate. Just cause he doesn’t kill doesn’t mean we’re the same.” You took Michael and walked out of the alleyway, leaving the four to handle the two villagers.

“You like that toy truck? Ok bud, I’ll buy it for you. Are you hungry? I know a stall with amazing chocolates, don’t tell your dads though!”

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[tobi-smp]

apparently one of the takes going around about the end of wilbur’s arc is that it’s Good because it’s the solution to c!crime codependency issues.

which on the one hand, I Do understand to a degree. it’s been highlighted quite a bit that they have Real issues with loving each other but not knowing how to exist alongside each other in a healthy way.

however, I really Don’t agree here for a couple reasons.

1: Much like I get into here [Link 1, Link 2], sometimes extreme situations either cause or outright Require behavior that would be extreme or even Unhealthy in a healthy environment.

I could talk about how wilbur and tommy Didn’t have a particularly unhealthy relationship at the start of the series (tommy Idolized wilbur to an extent sure, but in the way that tommy was a Teenager and wilbur was The adult figure in his life at the time. in the way that he’d idolized Techno and Phil once too), I could point out that tommy and wilbur’s Major issues with clinginess started in direct response to trauma (pogtopia, exile, limbo) and are majorly About needing reassurance and security.

but the bigger issue is that Right Now both of them are at the point where they Very Practically Need Support.

wilbur has never learned how to forgive himself. and you could argue that that’s due in part because he remembers his failures when he looks at the people that he’s hurt. and that’s fair !

except he’s a very actively suicidal man who has now just cut himself off from literally All of his immediate friends and family. the fact that he Grew Up in utah does not mean that he has a Support System in utah.

the ending goes out of its way to confirm that he’s still Not in a good place and he still Doesn’t and Can’t see himself as a good person. that Doesn’t sound like a situation where he should be Completely Self Isolating to me At All.

and tommy.

if I even mention the name “dream” there are people whose immediate response is going to be “It’s Not Wilbur’s Job To Protect Tommy” or “Wilbur Was Never Capable Of Stopping Dream In The First Place” but the fact still Absolutely remains that wilbur is the person who makes tommy feel the Safest and tommy’s abuser who killed him three times and whose threatened to torture him for Literally Eternity is Actively out there.

the deal that wilbur made with dream to protect tommy was Directly reliant on the fact that wilbur was physically there on the server. the moment you remove wilbur from that equation the gambit is over.

it’s been directly confirmed that dream, tommy, and tubbo are going to have some kind of final confrontation soon. and out of universe it’s being planned around the fact that wilbur isn’t going to be there. I Highly Highly doubt that they’re going to write c!tommy dying after everything, so we Have to assume that wilbur doesn’t need to be there for tommy to survive.

but We Also Know For A Fact That Dream Is Going To Go After Tommy The Moment He Realizes That Wilbur Is Gone. because that gambit Will Be Over and that axis of tommy’s support system Will Be Gone. 

c!tommy is Most Likely going to survive, but In Universe there is every chance that he isn’t going to. and tommy would absolutely know that.

Disregarding the Literal Physical Danger that tommy is in right now, the fact that wilbur left him in this situation is going to hurt him (or at least, it would Realistically, whether it’s actually acknowledged in character or not is up to the cc’s). not being taken to safety and instead being left at the mercy of an actual serial killer Would Hurt Him.

this isn’t going to fix his co-dependence, this is going to make it worse. Realistically when you put someone into a traumatic/survival situation and knock out their safety nets and support systems they spiral and either Lash Out, cling harder to what they Do have, or both.

2: lets assume for a second that none of that is true and that wilbur and tommy Aren’t in positions where some level of heightened dependence is necessary (both for their mental health and their direct survival). this still isn’t the “best way” to address their co-dependence because this wasn’t Healthy.

lets look at this chain of events as they were presented in canon.

- wilbur starts avoiding tommy because he’s set his mind on apologizing to everyone, but he’s afraid of tommy not forgiving him.

- so for an actual year he pushes tommy away both without explaining why and while still wanting him in his life. tommy knows something’s wrong and he knows he’s being lied to but he doesn’t know Why. 

- at some point wilbur makes the decision that he’s going to move back to utah. we don’t know when, but it most likely coincides with his increased effort to try to genuinely make amends with the people important to him. despite this he doesn’t tell anyone what his plan is, though he does make many vague hints about him going Somewhere, and he Doesn’t let tommy back in to his life.

- that is, until, it’s time for him to try to get closure with tommy. tommy opens up to wilbur about his trauma in exile, about being abused (physically and mentally) to the point of suicide. this is the first time tommy has Ever opened up about this to anybody, the first time he’s ever used those words exactly (even to himself).

- wilbur realizes that he has to do something to ensure that his brother will stay safe while he’s gone.

even pretending like the plan he came up with Would ensure that, what happened is that wilbur pretended to burn tommy’s disks in front of him and then threatened to kill himself to dream (which, again, was confirmed out of character to be Genuine) all without telling tommy what was about to happen or the fact that it Was a plan until afterwards. something that would’ve been Deeply Traumatic.

- wilbur then disappeared again for months (this was confirmed in a stream tommy did with tubbo afterwards) until the c!wilbur finale.

- in the lead up to the big reveal tommy Genuinely thought that wilbur was going to kill himself. which had to do with what he’d been saying here yes, but it Also had to do with the fact that he Literally Threatened To Do It Right In Front Of Tommy The Last Time They’d Seen Each Other. wilbur Refused to tell tommy what was going on, to open up to him after tommy had opened up to Him, until the very end.

until tommy had been literally begging and crying, until tommy lashed out in frustration (in Fear).

- it was then that wilbur revealed that he was leaving.

- he gave tommy a book with writing that, apparently, helped tommy feel some level of closure. but he still then left Immediately after telling tommy. with no time to process.

and that’s it. that’s the end.

maybe Wilbur will find some kind of closure in this. maybe he really Does have friends and family waiting in utah to help him heal and grow, maybe he’ll get a therapist. I don’t know.

but this? was the actual opposite of healthy. this isn’t setting tommy up to heal from his co-dependence, this is traumatizing him.

he opened up about the most traumatic event of his entire life to someone he loved and cared about and Trusted and then was immediately traumatized, left alone for months on end, and then traumatized Again so he could then watch wilbur teleport away to What? another country? another plane of existence? either way, wilbur is somewhere tommy’s never gonna reach.

we’re being asked to accept that whatever tommy read in that book is supposed to make up for all of the trauma and emotional turmoil surrounding this relationship and experience, but like. I Don’t Believe That.

I Can believe that there was something in there that made him feel better in the Moment. but if the intent was set tommy up to address his dependency then he was set up to fail.

what is he being taught? not to open up to anyone about his trauma ever again? that the people he cares about are gonna lie to him and there’s nothing he can do about it?

like. I Love wilbur. I care about him More Than I Probably Should. cc!wilbur Carefully and Intentionally set up Many problems with this relationship that were Highlighted in this stream on purpose and then deliberately didn’t resolve them. the only answer we’re given is Deliberately kept off screen.

this will not Fix crimeboys. it will certainly make their relationship Different, but it won’t make it Healthy.