#and abuse their worldviews into

[phoenixinthefiles]

If I was DC screenwriter I think people would hate me

Cus I’m pulling out all the stops

Dick Grayson with anger issues who absolutely is not a golden retriever (that man will purposely target your occipital bone with his escrima) but does value his family over anything and loves them fiercely (even when they give him a heart attack)

Jason Todd the sunshine robin who’s really passionate which leads to his “extreme anger” Yes he’s a theatre nerd and he does listen to Jane Austen but that’s not his entire personality.

Cassandra Cain can speak.

*ducks away from window* Tim Drake is not a short king who is extremely sleep deprived and needs coffee to function. His smarts rival Bruce’s and he hates coffee, likes Mountain Dew a normal amount, and is sleep deprived but he takes power naps cus he plays into the corporate king role. He’s taller than Dick (cus that’s funny) and he’s missing a spleen but he blew up all the Lazarus pits so he does not care. Also he has commitment issues (mans cannot keep a girl or boy)

Duke Thomas is not the “normal one” he’s just as crazy as the rest of em and if you think he’s not it’s because you’ve fallen into his trap. The boy started a revolution and is the only meta Batman has pardoned (😝 Clark)

Damian is a precocious, traumatized, kinda mean, child. But he’s still a child, he can’t see over the counter at the doctor’s office, he wants his mom and dad together, and he loves being loved. Yeah he’s a bit of a brat but his grandfather is royalty and his father is Gotham’s dark prince; he’s allowed to be a bit pretentious. He’s a good kid and he had some bad influences but He is good.

Bruce Wayne doesn’t collect child soldiers, he is not physically abusive (physically, cus he’s had some moments) He won’t kill joker because the thin line that keeps that little boy in the alley sane is his fragile moral code. His kids were his kids first (with the exception of Tim😭) he would stop if he could, but because he can’t; he trains them.

Talia Al Ghul is not a rapist and she does love her son (the way she knows how).

Alfred Pennyworth is immortal🥰

(I’m aware I left some members off but these are just my main takes)

[casscainmainly]

I think the recent Cass and Jason discussion is very interesting bc like, Jason or even steph in her first appearance take these actions of righteous, murderous (or near murderous) justice bc of the fact that not only have they've been abused, but they're also able to recognise that fact, and feel that despite everything, they didn't deserve to suffer like that (Jason with his murder, Steph with her childhood abuse)

Whereas Cass struggles for most of her series to recognise that she was abused and struggles to properly resent her abuser on the grounds that she didn't deserve it. She resents David for being a killer and making her love him, for making her a killer, but rarely for the actual abuse that came with her training. She eventually recognises it right before the end of pre-52 in batgirl 2008, but not after a long time, and she still tries to save David at the very end after contemplating letting him die.

she does grows to resent Bruce after some time, and confronts him, showing that she's slowly gaining higher expectations for how she should be treated after developing relationships outside the batfamily (coincidentally with Steph, someone who can relate over having a shitty dad, along with her love interests like Kon and Tai)- though Bruce, despite his multitudes of bad parenting moments never truly abuses cass like david did, so there's nuance, and after her fight with bruce, she still has trouble fully reckoning with her abuse (still calls david shooting her 'a game' in front of tim- she knows its wrong but still doesn't act upset about the fact it happened to her).

She kind of sees all the training she went through as a necessary evil in order to have the skills to be a hero- which is somewhat true, but I think it also contributes to her being unable to see herself, even partially, as a victim for large portions of her narrative.

She can understand abuse as something that molds you into a killer, she can't understand being abused and then choosing to be a killer bc of the righteous fury you have at what happened. In Cass' mind her abuse is synonymous with killing. That's the worst thing Cain ever did to her and the reason she ran away. She can't understand someone like Jason choosing it as a way to cope/deal with abuse.

I don't think this is necessarily a ground breaking thought but I think abuse is an interesting lense to look at both Jason and Cass' stories- pre52, Jason's story is about continuing a cycle of abuse. Criminals hurt him, he hurts criminals, and anyone who gets in his way of hurting the criminals, bc even tho he pursues justice, he also pursues retribution, which is hard to do justly. Between that and the whole zombie/living ghost thing, it's downright gothic. Whereas Cass' story is about breaking out of a cycle of abuse- nobody dies bc she let one person die and will never let it happen again. It's just an interesting way to view their differences I think. Good Cass and Jason posts recently!

I LOVE THIS!! I absolutely think abuse informs the way Jay and Cass see the world (and Steph - Steph, in many ways, is the median point between Jason and Cass).

It's the fundamental question that drives Jason and Cass apart. For Cass, her question is: how can I be the victim if I'm the villain? And for Jason, the question is more: how can I be the villain if I'm the victim?

I love this line: "Cass struggles for most of her series to recognise that she was abused and struggles to properly resent her abuser on the grounds that she didn't deserve it." This is doubly complicated by the genuine love David Cain had for her - that panel of them watching the stars kills me every time. This is another key difference between Jason and Cass' abuse (taking Jason's abuse to be his death) - Jason had no love for the Joker, but Cass did love David Cain.

It's why it's so easy for Jason to want to kill the Joker, and so hard for Cass to even be angry at her father. And your point here - "In Cass' mind her abuse is synonymous with killing" - is absolutely on point, because Jason's conception of abuse is the helplessness of being murdered. They are both acting in ways to prevent what abuse means in their minds: as Batgirl, Cass will never have to kill again, and as Red Hood, Jason will never have to be helpless in the face of murderers again.

Any rebuke of their moral codes feels like a denial of the abuse they suffered. It's why Cass can't allow others to kill, and why Jason can't accept Bruce's reasoning for not killing the Joker. It's why these versions of them could never get along. Argh there's been such good Cass and Jason commentary recently, they drive me insane!!!

[federfleisch]

I don't know who needs to hear this but lashing out at strangers on the internet won't cure your trauma and you also cannot presume to know anything about a stranger online or what traumas they've experienced

[ladylingua]

wish I could go back in time and show this to the guy in 2019 who told me I was “paranoid” and “clearly didn’t understand the technology” when I said I was against OMNY because it had too much potential to be used to track individuals.

[codycodybobody]

i do think it's interesting that even when knowing his future on mortis (hello vader foreshadowing to the point of just saying this is going to happen outright), anakin STILL turns to the dark side immediately. the Brother promises peace, and anakin's just like ok bet KNOWING who he is. I know it's to prevent the future he sees, which despite the Father's assurances, the audience knows WILL happen, but it's still telling.

also, love the parallels to RotS of anakin bringing balance to the planet by everyone dying. the Father, the Daughter, and the Son. Granted, he was only responsible for the Son's death, which is ironic in and of itself.

i find anakin to be the most compelling when he is struggling to find his way like in this arc. there is something unmatched about vader foreshadowing, it hits every time for me.

[good-beans]

thinking about amane’s cult and how they likely don’t hate healthcare but they don’t partake in it gave me this messed up thought that in Amane’s cult if a kid, baby, elderly or any person had gotten a life threatening injury or illness no one would take them to the hospital because it goes against their trial and natural order, and that person dies.

Yeah :(((((((( It's not that they hate it, it's just that it's not in god's plan, which gradually twists it into a scary, sinful thing. It scares Amane, especially after this knowledge is quite literally beaten into her, and makes sense why she'd lash out at Shidou for being such a beacon of healthcare. It makes me wonder about her mindset when she was helping the cat -- for her to offer aid after everything, it means she was tired of watching things die. How many friends and family did she know that got hurt and got worse? How many died while she was told it was meant to be? How much pain was she in to risk her own safety over a wild animal if it meant not losing anything else dear to her? (And then she lost it anyway!!!!) Her life has just been full of so much unnecessary pain and death.

A slightly different topic, but it also tears me apart thinking about her visiting Mahiru’s cell when she's being treated for her injuries, since Amane’s never had experience seeing people in hospitals before. She must have been at such a loss -- she doesn't know the right thing to say in that situation. Trying to say the only thing she knows gets her scolded and maybe even removed from the room. Most of all, she has no experience handling the emotions that come with it. She knows how to encourage someone's spiritual journey, she knows how to hold hope in those situations, but how does she process the grief of slowly losing someone she cares about, while also hearing them willingly choose Hell over Heaven?

[sha-brytols]

hrghghghgh wynne...

[equalperson]

by the way, I would like to note that I immediately don't trust you if you agree with the statement that "idiocracy is a documentary/real/a prophecy/etc."

the entire premise is idiocracy is based in eugenics, specifically the idea that poor and disabled people reproducing will lead to the downfall of society, particularly if upper-class and abled people aren't having even more children to wash us out.

do you really think society's biggest issue is that poor/disabled people have too much power?

do you really believe that the people in power--or humanity as a whole--is mostly intellectually disabled, all while people with ID are still disproportionately likely to be abused, raped, and incarcerated, among many other outcomes that can only result from their total lack of systemic authority?

earlier, I came across a post on r/idiocracy of a developmentally disabled boy destructively stimming in public. almost all of the comments were saying he shouldn't be allowed outside and should be tased or otherwise harmed (note: he was also black) for his behavior. do you really think a black, severely disabled, 10-to-13-year-old is your oppressor, your "idiocracy?"

or are you just scapegoating disabled and otherwise marginalized people as the source of society's ills, simply using "intellectualism" and "anti-consumerism" as an excuse to encourage mass violence against us?

because of course the issue isn't the rich trying to get richer. it isn't bigotry. it isn't capitalism or any other oppressive system. it's too many damn disabled children burdening you with behavior you don't want to see, and too many disabled adults burdening you with criticism you don't want to hear.

[bonebabbles]

I would fucking love Clear Sky and potentially have him as my favourite villain…. If the Erin’s fucking let him stay a villain! Wtf is this redemption bs?

Simple: You're fundamentally good or fundamentally evil in the eyes of the writers. Nuanced questions are very rarely asked. Clear Sky was So Very Sad so all of his actions were painted as understandable and well-meaning, unlike the stinky foreigners who just love murder.

Good people can do bad things but you can't condemn them for it because bad people do bad things worse.

The writers are abuse apologists. They consistently downplay the abuse of their male characters, and so think that their character who most closely resembles a real life predator is "just misunderstood" and will be fixed by religion and an obedient, young wife to serve him.

In a nutshell, it's just terrible writing in support of horrible ideas.

[thethespacecoyote]

okay I don't wanna get into but people gotta stop having such weird and shallow readings of ford and his arc

[cdroloisms]

And I think that DOES have a reasonable explanation if you consider Dream coming from Munchy, where he was an operator/mod, for a few years where it was expected to follow the rules to set an example and punish those who broke them as it’s quite literally his job

i mean, i dont generally go in this direction personally but yk c!dream's backstory is a very open thing so. i'm not saying it's an incorrect take, haha, this is headcanonville. that being said, i'd say that c!dream's mindset imo definitely extends past just this idea of a server standard putting kids in time out if they cause problems the way a minecraft server with strictly defined rules for moderators and limitations for what is very much a job right and whatever. like, c!dream abused a teenager to Teach Him How To Behave or whatever and didn't realize he was going too far until the kid literally tried to commit suicide. and yeah, having any kind of past background isn't necessary to explain that kind of cruelty, but when you throw it into the mix with c!Dream ultrapunishing himself (which does extend a little into different perspectives on the prison yadayadayada i'd be here all day but like, look, there's no world where anyone normal goes 'i thought [i] would be fine with raw potatoes' regardless of the justification without that speaking to some kind of fucked up worldview, which generally does have to come from somewhere) it seems less about alluvthat just as an excuse he spontaneously came up with in order to justify his spite and pettiness towards one (1) person and doesn't otherwise apply to how he sees things and a little more indicative of a level of normalized cruelty on top of the punitive mindset. doessss that makes sense?

[ettaevie]

Ok no I'm actually still talking about the Asagiri interview because what about Beast???

What about Oda being a better mentor than Dazai? Mori saying that abuse is not a legitimate teaching method but in fact the most heinous thing an adult can do to a child? Oda telling Dazai his motives mean jack shit if he had to hurt the Akutagawas to achieve his goal?

Like I know bsd has never been the best at handling themes of abuse but I was also never really under the impression that we were supposed to think what Dazai did was right.

[terrence-silver]

Under what situation would Terry become abusive

Terry Silver has two modes.

You're my enemy.

And you're my friend.

If you so happen to be one of the extremely lucky few to be his friend, one of his loved ones, those he deems in his corner, for all he's concerned from his own point of view, he'll never be abusive (a point of view you're free to dispute). But, it's truly fascinating that this guy can and will be generous, giving, devoted, loyal to the teeth, a truly splendid, wonderful and helpful person --- passionate in his devotion, in his zeal, in his care. Provided, again, he deems you on his side. He'll spare to no expense, he'll leave behind everything at a drop of a hat to take your side, he'll go above and beyond for a person, he'll aid your causes whatever they may be (and I do mean whatever) he'll fight the good fight for you, he'll avenge you, he'll scheme in your name, he'll take offense to your slights more than you yourself will. And he'll do this without a shred of irony or faking. Yes, he'll be smothering. Yes, he'll be overbearing. Yes, he'll be overintense and cross any and all boundaries, but thing is, he never sees any of this as abusive and in fact, might be entirely shocked if anyone ever brought it up. He totally will take offense and feel betrayed and taken advantage of. -"What do you mean!? I did this for you!"- Is a phrase that could be brought up a lot with all the outraged conviction possible. Terry Silver is legitimately honest in his sentiment when he wants to be, even though his worldview is extremely skewed, and for the lack of a better word, messed up. The way he sees it, he loves with unabashed passion and is frequently misunderstood for it (which...could be true...in ways) He frequently encounters people who cannot handle his fire.

And then there's the other side.

God forbid, you being his enemy.

Now, then, he'll be abusive. He'll lie, he'll cheat, he'll scheme, he'll manipulate, he'll gaslight, inflicting life-long trauma, he'll torture, he'll take extreme and almost perverse relish in it, he'll put someone through a world of pain, he'll mock, he'll be cruel, and really, go as far as the human imagination can go where maliciousness is concerned and he'll be entirely aware this is abusive, and do it anyway, with all the relish imaginable. Why? Because you're the enemy now and enemies deserve no mercy. It's a very simple, precise, concrete and even practical worldview, albeit black and white. Absolutist. Terry Silver isn't abusive, for all he's concerned, if he likes you, anyway, that is --- and if he doesn't, he'll abuse you and laugh in your face. He believes his standpoint is frankly very normal and understandable. Want to abuse an enemy!? Who wouldn't wanna abuse an enemy! That's what enemies are for! The same way an enemy in a ring is there so you could knock their teeth out and win! Those who say they wouldn't do the same are lying to themselves and if they had the means and the balls to act on their desires, they'd do the same way he does because it's human nature. It has always been human nature. He might just return into a former enemy's life decades later and say 'no hard feelings', because that was then and this is now --- he's beaten an enemy in the past and it was a good beating, a good battle, a good war, a good sparring duel, but now it's over, so shake his hand and capitulate, politely, for a second time, or he'll potentially hurt you some more for rejecting.

So, if you asked Terry himself?

He isn't abusive.

Not towards the people that matter.

Enemies? Well, enemies are fair game. You can't abuse an enemy. Is stepping on a cockroach by accident abuse? Not really. Nobody's fault the cockroach tends to inhabit places that are naturally underfoot and that by extension, their habit involves people occasionally squashing them.

[mummer]

now that ive finished it the righteous gemstones is obviously a really funny show that i liked very much but it’s kinda interesting how it ends up pulling its punches about evangelicalism im fully aware it’s a silly comedy and not trying to Do Messaging and yet. like it really lampshades the extreme wealth etc but it doesnt really wanna CONDEMN it… so then you get a a billionaire conservative megachurch pastor who does all these objectively pretty terrible things while ALSO having him be Flawed But Really Good At Heart and not hate gay people.. like wym? are these people abusive or not actually not really it’s fine…. Does the show actually understand the structural evil of evangelicalism or not. is it like, BAD to be a megachurch pastor manipulating the masses for monetary gain or does the power of love and family and good intentions and apologizing override that. you cant hate eli too much dont worry dont think about it he isnt homophobic so it’s fine. Okay so the satire is completely meaningless then and doesnt work

[claitea]

last night i had a dream that for some reason alto was an antagonistic character instead and n was desperately trying to get through to them to make sure they didn't make the same mistakes he once did, and then it moves on to both of them running away together to escape people trying to hunt alto down. i can't remember any reasoning behind alto's actions but my God that dream kinda ruled

[bunnyboy-juice]

i think its so wild how ppl still try to make it seem like nonmonogamy is inherently smthn freeing and better than monogamy bc they see monogamy as the avenue for IPV and its like. oh buddy do i have news for you.