#ancient phonecia

[jm-photos]

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09.01.24 Baths of Antoninus Carthage, Tunisia

[godbelike]

“Burns these sacred herbs”

Phonecian princess: wow I’m tripping Ba’als

[luulapants]

Ok what about Ann/Anne for the name thing

Ann is the English form of the French Anne, which comes from the Ancient Greek Anna, which in turn comes from the Hebrew name Hannah or Channah, derived from an Ancient Semitic word meaning "to be gracious," which was elaborated in Hebrew to also mean "to have mercy, to show favor."

(That original Semitic root also descended into Phonecian as a noun meaning "grace, favor" which gives us the name Hannibal - "grace of Baal"!)

In the Tanakh, Hannah was the barren-until-blessed mother of the prophet Samuel. It's not clear if she is the originator of her name (which would make sense - she was the favorite wife, shown mercy and favor when blessed with a child) or if the name was common before her. Variations on the name quickly spread throughout the ancient world, though. Anna appears in the Aeneid as the sister of Dido, who founded Phonecia in 814BC.

As was typical in Europe, Hannah, being an Old Testament name, was really only used by Jews until the Protestant Reformation. What's interesting is that the name and its descendants were so popular and so common that there were Annes and Annas in the New Testament traditions, so that form of the name was very popular in Christian European society before the Reformation.

It's hard to say exactly how popular names were before records start, but we can draw inferences from a few sources. The lists of famous Anns, Annes, and Annas, fictional and real, are prolific and span the centuries. The distribution and number of variations in different languages are vast. What's more, these names are notable for being popular "mashup" names - paired with other names to create names like Annabella or Roseanne. All indications point to a persistent, long-term use nearing the popularity of Mary.

Indeed, when US records began in 1880, Anna was the #2 name for girls (Mary #1). Hannah 96, Anne 120, and An n 122. In the past 143 years, Anna has spent just 10 years outside the top 100, never below 106. Hannah declined and bottomed out in the 900s between 1955 and 1970, then shot back up to overtake Anna, peaking at #2 in 1998. It's hard to say why - there are no clear trendsetters that I can find. Anne/Ann hung in the mid-to-low top 100 from around 1900 through the '60s and have been on a steady decline since then. Anne is in the 500s, but Ann dropped off the charts in 2020.

Records from the rest of the Anglosphere indicate similar patterns. Most of Europe uses either Anna or Hanna, but hardly anyone is using Anne or Ann now. Even Francophone regions have dropped the traditionally French Anne in favor of Anna.

[hriobzagelthewanderer]

OTHERWORLDLY AFFAIRS BUREAU

INCIDENT REPORT FORM

DATE: Thursday, April of 1569 B.C.E.

TIME: Roughly 9am local time

LOCATION OF INCIDENT:

The 'Isle' of Atlantis, Pre-Destruction and Submergence.

NAMES OF PERSONS INVOLVED:

-Myself, in a former iterative cycle of incarnation, a then-nameless descendant of the Forest Spirit Humbaba. -'The Master', then known as 'Gorgos'. -Apophis, a.k.a. Apep, the Serpent of Chaos of Egypt.

DESCRIPTION OF INCIDENT:

Please answer the following questions in detail:

1. How did the incident occur?

I had decided to visit Atlantis, introduce myself, get to know the people there and try to become a Patron for them (at the time, many Islandic City-States had Patron Spirits/Dieties and were creating terribly successful mutually-beneficial dynamics at the time, especially Melquart and Phonecia), only to discover another spirit had decided to try and consume every last soul on the landmass. Our Conflict that ensued as I tried to prevent them from 'feasting' angered a nearby traveling deity, who instead started rampaging, leading to the massive casualties and sinking of the entire landmass.

2. Who or what was responsible for the incident?

Gorgos, in trying to consume every last living soul, and Apophis, in their ensuing rampage leading to the loss of life and land infamous as the 'Sinking of Atlantis'.

3. Did any supernatural Entities, such as ghosts or unicorns, witness the incident?

Other than the three magical entities listed above including myself, the only remaining witnesses to my knowledge would be the lingering ghosts of the victims of that day, bound to the now-submerged city. That said, I have not been able to confirm any such spirits personally to this day.

4. Was any magical or enchanted objects involved in the incident? If yes, please specify.

Not to my Knowledge at this time.

5. Did any of the witnesses or victims have any pre-existing medical or psychological conditions that may have contributed to the incident?

Unknown but probably for at least a small portion of the many human lives lost. Unknown but suspected for Apophis himself given nature of rampage.

6. Was there any use of time-travel or inter-dimensional portals that may have caused the incident?

Not to my Knowledge at this time.

7. Were there any witnesses who were under the influence of any magical or mind-altering substances at the time of the incident?

Not to my Knowledge at this time.

8. Were there any extraterrestrial beings involved in the incident?

Not to my Knowledge at this time.

9. Was the incident related to any prophecies or ancient myths?

No prophecies to my Knowledge accounted for the sinking of the landmass. However, said event has since become myth itself and persisted to modern times.

10. Was anyone wearing a cape at the time of the incident? If yes, please describe the cape in detail.

At said time, Gorgos wore a thick hooded cloak eternally soaked with brine that trailed down to his ankles, and I wore a cloak made of melded vines and leaves that also included a hood and trailed down to my shins. I cannot determine if the customary Togas and similar garb of that time and place would constitute a 'cape' by Bureau standards of classification, but if so total cape count was in the tens of thousands potentially.

DETAILS OF DAMAGE:

Please provide the following information:

1 (A). What was the extent of the damage caused by the incident?

An entire landmass in the Atlantic, just beyond the Straight of Gibraltar, and all buildings, people, flora, and fauna upon it were subject to godly levels of wrath (see: Apophis) and collectively lost to the depths of the (Atlantic) Ocean. I was unable at that time to confirm nor deny reports of Tsunami or Earthquakes causing damage throughout the Mediterranean as far as the Nile Delta in the wake of the primary destruction of the incident.

2 (B). Were any ancient artifacts or treasures destroyed or damaged? If yes, please specify.

Arguably, the entire City(-State) of Atlantis was considered an artifact or treasure in and of itself, comparable as a metropolis well before the time of true cities and an architectural marvel collectively able to dwarf the Library of Alexandria or the Great Wall of China.

3 (C). Did the incident cause any disruptions to the natural order of the universe or any other planes of existence?

Not to my Knowledge at this time.

4 (D). Were any of the witnesses or victims harmed during the incident? If yes, please provide details.

As stated above, any (known) remaining witnesses beyond the two other involved individuals and myself would be victims of the event themselves, as lingering dead spirits haunting the remains of their now-submerged homes.

ACTION TAKEN:

Please provide the following information:

1. What action was taken immediately after the incident occurred?

All three remaining parties parted in the wake of the submergence and 'loss' of Atlantis, myself included. Threats were made towards Gorgos, leading to a ceasefire concerning innocents on land, but no further communication was attempted or possible with Apophis at that time.

2. Were any emergency response teams called to the scene? If yes, please specify.

None were able to make it on time.

3. Was any magical or supernatural intervention required to mitigate the damage caused by the incident?

Attempts were made throughout the incident, primarily by myself, to halt the attacks on the City-State and its people. However, I was only able to find success in stopping one of the two. While this was able to prevent a self-proclaimed Sea Demon from consuming all the hundreds of thousands of souls thereof, It ultimately still cost them both their lives and their homes as I was unable to intervene against Apophis as well.

4. Was anyone punished or reprimanded for their role in the incident? If yes, please provide details. [LEAVE BLANK FOR O.A.B PERSONEL]

5. Was any follow-up action required after the initial response to the incident? If yes, please specify.

As mentioned prior, ultimatums were given to Gorgos concerning threatening (read: promising to consume my soul as well as all those lost that day) comments made at the end of the incident. Such has helped to prevent repeat incidents but was ultimately unable to prevent later villification and blame to be given to Apophis as rumors spread about the incident through neighboring territories at the time.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:

Please provide any additional information that may be relevant to this incident.

I don't know the full story concerning Apophis, but something felt off with their actions that day, as if they were forced or reacting to some PSTD-like trigger. Suggest careful investigation and/or offers of aid to be given if at all possible.

Also Gorgos is an Asshole. Not an official complaint, but a mark of warning for those required to deal with them, especially in person.

[nemfrog]

Baal. Atlantis : the antediluvian world. 1882. Internet Archive

[typhlonectes]

Colorful Chart Reveals Evolution of English Alphabet From Egyptian Symbols

Matt Baker, who designs and publishes the posters at UsefulCharts, created this beautiful poster that traces the evolution of the alphabet from 1750 BCE to today’s modern Latin script. In some cases, the Phoenician characters (1000 BCE) look a lot like their modern counterparts…

Read more: https://mymodernmet.com/history-of-the-alphabet-usefulcharts/

[valc0]

My (selfish) want is the companion to be merchants wife from the height of Phonecia's influence. Like, gimmie that rep but make it ancient. Have her interact with everyone else a way that vibe checks modernism and her actually friending the villains via Trade

I was more oriented on the Victorian because it seems like more recent Doctors really like that time period.

But I agree that an even further back in time companion would be interesting to see

[senzacaponecoda]

So abc... coalition order coexisted in ancient times with an order that went like 'h l ħ m'. Latin element has an obscure etymology, but one theory is it's from a theoretic Semitic or Egyptian verb *halaħama, and basically means "halaħaming" or basically "abcing".  It was dominate in Cuneiform early on, being outcompeted later by abc, coming perhaps from the direction of Phonecia. It's debated what the original order for Egyptian was a-b-c or h-l-ħ (e-l-h) but the currently oldest attestation of the single consonant hieroglyphs has a h-l-ħ-m order. Anyways I'm mad because I only just found out that Ge'ez script uses the h-l-ħ-m order, which I thought was a) outcompeted by abc, which interestingly Ge'ez uses for enumeration maybe modeled after Coptic Greek b) obscure.

[the-drinkwater-blog]

The Anemoi and Eurus  - The False Wind?

In Series 4 of Sherlock, we finally learn the “truth” behind the ominous “East Wind” that everyone kept talking about. And what do we learn? We learn that the “East Wind” isn’t a coded reference to a coming war,. It’s not an invasion from Eastern Europe. It isn’t a Polish assassin. It’s not a ghost story. 

Nope. “The East Wind” is Sherlock’s super-secret, super-genius sister. She’s been hidden away in solitary confinement for over 20 years, and no one has ever mentioned her to Sherlock. 

We know this because she tells us. Silly name? 

Well, Eurus was a name for the wind in Ancient Greek. Homer mentions Eurus in both the Iliad and the Odyssey. 

In fact, Eurus isn’t just an Ancient Greek name for the wind. Eurus was a god! And she’s pretty much a god in Sherlock, isn’t she? She can control people with her mind, she can be in multiple places at one time, she can change her appearance. She even lives on a secret island in the middle of the ocean. She sounds like a god to me. 

And of course, there was a “red letter code” hidden in the end credits of TFP. It spelled out the word “Anemoi.” 

What are the Anemoi? Well, they’re the Ancient Greek gods of the winds, of which Eurus is a member). 

But why hide that word in the credits? What was the point of that? Just a cute reference to something we already know? Eurus told us she was the east wind in TLD. Why hide this word at the end of TFP? Not exactly a “clue” to anything, is it?  

Well...  “ANEMOI” could be an interesting clue... if Eurus isn’t the East Wind.

Think about it this way - if I told you that the ancient wind named “Eurus” is not the East Wind, what would that mean for “our” modern day Eurus? 

If that sounds interesting, there’s more after the break... 

If Eurus isn’t the east wind... that could mean quite a lot. 

BUT... in order to get to that, we’re going to have to do a bit of classical review.

Here’s an ancient Roman mosaic of Eurus (or maybe the East Wind) to get you in the mood:

Okay. So... the Anemoi were the Greek wind gods. There are generally considered to be four of them:

Boreas - the north wind and bringer of cold air, 

Zephyrus - the west wind and bringer of light spring and summer breezes, 

Notos - the south wind and bringer of the storms of late summer and autumn, and 

Eurus - the southeast (or according to some, the east wind) and the only wind not associated with the seasons. 

Wait a second.

Southeast Wind?

Yep. We’re jumping right into this. 

So... we’ve all heard of Aristotle, right? Well, according to Aristotle, Eurus was the southeast wind. 

Which is... odd, right? He was Greek, after all. And pretty famous. 

But that was probably just an error, right? Maybe a mistranslation? 

Maybe Aristotle changed the myth for some reason?

Well... not really.

Homer (c. 800 BCE) seems to be the first to write of the four winds. From what I can tell, he never explicitly defines their cardinal directions (as they didn't exist). He just refers to these named winds, and associates some of them with certain lands. So, for example, Boreas is said to originate in Thrace (to the north). However, Eurus is never explicitly associated with a land. The most we get from Homer is that Eurus is a warm wind.

Also a bit odd - in Homer's works, Eurus is the only wind not associated with a season. She’s pretty much the wind no one talks about. She’s there, but, not really. 

In fact, it appears that interpretations of Homer have assigned Eurus to the east only because he identified four winds, and there are four cardinal directions, and east was unassigned. I’m not a Classical Greek expert, but that is the impression I get. We know he didn’t refer to Eurus as the��“East Wind” because there was no such thing as “East” in Ancient Greece. 

Want more evidence that Homer was a bit vague on the winds? 

Some interpretations of Homer actually have him identifying six winds. Basically, in this interpretation, the compass is split into six equal divisions:

In this interpretation, Eurus is identified as the Northeast Wind.

Pretty weird, right?

Well, it gets even weirder.

Hesiod, another Greek scholar, (c. 700 BCE) was, as far as we know, the first to personify the winds as gods - the Anemoi. But he only named the three "good winds" - Boris, Notos, and Zephyrus. He called those three winds the "children of the morning" - which has been interpreted as meaning that they are ALL eastern winds. He doesn't specifically refer to Eurus, but if she is around, she's a bad wind from the West. 

So... ok. 

Hippocrates (c. 400 BCE) also writes about four winds, but he uses the theory applied to Homer, recognizing six geographic points. He doesn't use any of Homer's names.

Aristotle (c. 340 BCE) introduced a slightly more modernized wind system, with either 10, 11, or 12 winds. The actual number of winds isn't particularly relevant to our discussion (he includes a NNE and NNW wind, and at one point references a SSE wind, but no SSW).

Anyway, according to Aristotle, the East Wind is Apeliotes. 

Eurus is the southeast wind - the winter sunrise. Incidentally, the summer sunrise, the northeast wind, is named Caecias. Yes, there is something of a mirror for the classical Eurus. 

Okay. So we’re at 340 BCE. Eurus must become the East Wind sometime soon, right? 

Well, no. 

Theophrastus (c. 300 BCE) makes some changes to Aristotle's system, but maintains Eurus' place as the southeast wind. He does note that Eurus is called "Scopelus" in Aegae (an Ancient Greek city located in modern Turkey), and Carbas in Cyrene (an Ancient Greek city located modern Libya). He also mentions that some call this wind Phonecias. Main point: Eurus = Southeast. 

Lets move forward in time. 

Timosthenes of Rhodes is said to have created a symmetrical system of 12 winds around 250 BCE.

Where’s Eurus? Down in the Southeast area. The East Wind? Still Apeliotes.

Timosthenes also connected each wind with a geological location and people. Eurus was assigned to the Indians, or the people of the Indus River Valley. Which was located where? To the southeast of Rhodes.

The final Greek update to the winds came from Eratosthenes (c. 200 BCE). His system returned to eight winds, but continued to place Eurus as the southeastern wind.

Okay... So it was probably the Romans, right? The Romans must have moved Eurus to the East. Right? 

Well, not really. 

Seneca, writing around 65 CE, lists the Greek winds and their Latin equivalents.

Eurus is again identified as the southeastern wind.

In fact, we don't actually see Eurus described as the eastern wind until Aulus Gellius writes in 159 CE. He changes the roman twelve wind system to an eight wind system, and conveniently lists the winds under both their Latin and Greek names.

And here we finally get somewhere. Gellius identifies Eurus as the Latin name for the east wind. Not the Greek - the Latin. However, Gellius does correctly identify the Greek name as Apeliotes, which had been the name of the east wind since Aristotle's time.

In Gellius' writing, SE becomes "Vulturnus" in Latin and Euronotus in Greek. Euronotos was the SSE wind according to Timosthenes. It was Orthonotos under Theophrastus and previously was known as Phonecias.

From what I can tell, Gellius is the only ancient source that explicitly identifies Eurus as the east wind.

Now, in modern usage, Eurus is often referred to as the east wind, most likely as a result of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey. Which is fine. But that's not quite right, is it?

And we're dealing with "smart" people - the Holmes family. Would they be completely unaware of this odd quirk of history? I don't think so. And yet, we are REPEATEDLY told that Eurus is the East Wind.

But Eurus really isn't the East Wind, is she?

She's a false East Wind.

And she might even have a mirror. Or possibly even a twin... ?