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There's also a thing i'm working on in regards to Makoto and him cutting his hair as a symbolic act of moving forward with himself. He's a shapeshifter by his nature as both a dragon and a spirit, so he can grow his hair to whatever length he wants it to, but...to me, his hair being kept long was representative of his nature as a sorcerer, he was always distant, and even when he was involved in direct battles, his strategy was to stay in his dragon form and simply fry all of his enemies with his lightning breath.
Makoto becoming a dark knight and cutting his hair short is both for tactical reasons (preventing it from being grabbed) and his actual transition into a protector who will leap in front of others to keep them safe.
#still though#an intimate thing for him#and most if not all the dragons i write#is caring for their horns#or decorating them#it's one of the highest forms of intimacy he can show anyone#idk man#i think a lot about makoto shedding his princely behavior#and learning how to relax#he's no longer the general helping to defend Rivera#he's the person who can connect with others#albeit slowly#but he's trying his best#unfortunately (for others)#his way of showing care is being willing to murder whoever hurts them#something Maisie *has* gotten on his case about#because he sees the Doscedars being taken advantage of#and makoto was like#“i'll just kill all of your village elders”#problem solved#tbf tho#this tends to be a common theme with seraph and makoto#in seraph's case#it did work#because he essentially showed an entire tribe of people that he was capable of being someone who was empowered by a god's stolen relic#in makoto's case uhhh#it's complicated
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Oh babe !!! I can't wait anymore....
#couple#intimate#intimacy#touch#romantic#desire#romance#kissing#kiss#bite me#kissing him#passionate kiss#passionate couple#her lips#oh god#damn hot#eroticlover#couple things#couple kissing#so hot omg#so damn sexy#uff#i need you#need need need
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i keep drawing him looking like he has the upper hand but tbh this is their dynamic more likely marisol is a menace, and the rookanis rot continues bonus:
#dragon age: the veilguard#datv spoilers#lucanis dellamorte#rookanis#rook x lucanis#datv rook#viago de riva#just for the stupid comic panel lmao#i imagine seeing his defacto little sister/protege/goblin crow he cares about/idiot about to makeout with lucanis makes him malfunction#so he shouts the first thing he can think of THAT YOUVE PUSHED THE FIRST TALON ONTO A DIRTY FLOOR#also marisol's intimate/childhood nickname is 'solecito'#i also hc 'rook' happened to be a crow nickname for a different reason that why varric gave it to her lmao#dragon age#dragon age fanart
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late morning
#fairy tail#nalu#lucy heartfilia#natsu dragneel#killamonart#could've held back just a lil... lol#tho don't think he really has self restraint like that#mf always doing as he please LOL#also is this a controversial thing to say but like i think that mashima lowkey ships gray and lucy just a bit...#bc of the amount of times he got them paired off and he's taking care of her-- AND I KNOW IT COULD BE JUST HIM BEING A FRIEND#but his actions at times are so... strangely intimate...#even tho he got that whole thing w juvia but sometimes i just think he ended up w her bc.......... she's there#ALSKDFJASL THAT'S A CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT ISN'T IT...#but like WHY WAS GRAY CHECKING THE INSIDE OF LUCY'S MOUTH WHILE HOLDING HER CHIN LIKE THAT--#you gonna see him do that shit w erza?? no way LOL#anyway ya i'm watching the 100 year quest rn#always catching her when she falls or you see him also shield her...#then again this is also just me enjoying the drama of it all so don't mind me#this aint about him!! this is a nalu post! LMFAOOO#art#fanart#natsu#lucy
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Bite your neck and kiss it better.
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#my art#marble hornets#tw blood#alex kralie#jay merrick#jaylex#vampire au#this might be the gayest thing ive ever drawn#for context this is the entry where jay acquires the tapes and alex randomly attacks him#he survives the encounter cuz A. homosexuality and B. his blood is the best thing alex has ever tasted and he decides to keep the leftovers#jay remembers the attack as a weirdly intimate dream lol
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asking and receiving (bonus below readmore)
[ID: A black and white, digital Trigun comic of Vash and Wolfwood. In the first panel is a close up of Wolfwood's mouth as he says, "Vash". Accompanying it is a close up shot of Vash's eye, widen and cheeks flushed. Wolfwood presses a knee against the open space between Vash's legs and says, "Tell me everything you want from me." Wolfwood's face is equally as flushed. He continues to say, "I'll give it to you. Everything." As he talks, a wide shot shows the both of them in white space. Vash is sitting, leaning a little back with both hands pressed against the surface he's sitting on. Wolfwood is in his white dress shirt, stripped of the blazer. He's still leaning in with one knee in between Vash's spread legs, his right hand touching Vash's lips and his left hand behind his back.
The shot closes in on Vash's mouth and Wolfwood's hand against it, pressing down on the lower lip as he says, "You have to ask though. Go on." His hand moves down to Vash's chin, gently holding it. With a shy and uncertain expression, Vash hesitantly asks, "Um... K... Kiss... Please?" Wolfwood, without wasting a second, leans in and kisses him and indulges by pressing deeper, eliciting a small noise of surprise from Vash.
Wolfwood moves away from Vash first and with a smile, asks, "What else?" Vash tugs on Wolfwood's left sleeve, wordlessly budging Wolfwood to give him his hand that was still behind his back. In the next panel, Vash utters, "Hold me..?" He's holding Wolfwood's left hand with his own while his right hand is reaching for his waist. Wolfwood complies, moving his left hand to Vash's shoulder and his right hand continues to touch Vash's cheek. Wolfwood asks again, "What else?"
More comfortable now, Vash leans in to kiss Wolfwood. Wolfwood catches him immediately, pressing his thumb against Vash's lips to stop him before demanding, "Hey. Ask." Vash looks back in surprise and Wolfwood meets his eye with a quiet, insistent look. They're quiet for a moment before Vash leans in again and curtly requests, "Kiss. Me." Wolfwood says "Good", smiling as he lifts his hand away, and meets Vash's lips. In the next shot, Wolfwood had adjusted his position, sitting on Vash's thigh. The hand that was once on Vash's cheek has moved its way to Vash's nape, pushing away the collar of his jacket with his pinky. His other hand continues to grip on Vash's shoulder. Still kissing, Wolfwood asks again, "What else?"
In the next shot, Vash is starting to turn, moving Wolfwood with him. Vash asks, "Let me on top of you?" Wolfwood says, "Mhm" before asking again, "What else?" The next panel shows a close look of Vash's face. He's looking down, flushed and shy just as he had been at the beginning, but now, more decisive. Vash asks, "Wolfwood... Let me have you..?" A panel of Wolfwood taking Vash's hand into his, pulling it towards his chest. The next panel shows Wolfwood lying down where Vash had laid him. Vash's hand is on Wolfwood's chest, covering the cross of his rosary while Wolfwood's hand lingers against his, loosely pressing Vash's hand in place. He looks up at Vash with a shy smile of his own, flushed cheeks. He says, "All yours."
A panel shows a close up of Vash's tender gaze before he leans down to be closer to Wolfwood. The final shot is a front view of their positions, Vash's face turned away from the viewer; Vash is leaning over Wolfwood who's lying down with his right leg draped over Vash's legs. Wolfwood's left hand holds onto Vash's left arm. With finality, Vash says, "...Mine." End ID]
[ID: A follow up bonus comic in a looser, sketchier style. They're laying comfortably in bed when Vash asks, "What was that earlier?" referecing to the start of the previous comic. Wolfwood glances away and says, "To get you used to it. Asking. And getting what you ask for. Since you're alwasy hesitant about it." Vash's eyes widen, tight lipped. Wolfwood continues, "Knowing you, it'll be a tough habit to break..." When he says this, Vash can't help but laugh, unable to deny it. Wolfwood slowly brings a hand to Vash's cheek and continues to say, "So I'll keep trying -- whatever ways I can... to get it through your thick skull." Vash takes Wolfwood's hand with his, kissing the the palm gently. Wolfwood's eyes soften and holding onto Vash's cheek, he leans in to try for a kiss. Vash says, "Hey..." before stopping Wolfwood's lips with the back of his hand, a smug look on his face, "Ask." Wolfwood's embarrassed and with little irritation, asks, "Really?" Vash smiles, saying, "You're in need of practice too." They pause for a moment, Wolfwood looking contemplatively, before he's leaning in again, asking, "May I please kiss you?" Vash looks him in the eyes and says, "Yes." The comic ends with a "chu", indicating an off-panel kiss. End ID]
#vashwood#vash the stampede#nicholas d wolfwood#trigun#trigun maximum#it took me so long to post this even after getting clarification about the maturity warning and stuff#bc i am so shy about it. SDGMKDSGMKSD I LIKE THIS COMIC BUT IM ALSO SO LIKE... AUGHHHH....#when i posted this on twitter though it was like... a few days after ep 11? ive always had the thought circling about vash deserving of#asking for things... and getting what he wants bc he never gets both. doesn't get the opportunity to ask and hardly does he get what he want#maybe the results can go in his favor but at some point along the way he'll still lose something bc nothing can ever go perfectly for him...#and he's usually the one begging and pleading with people to not. do something. it's not even asking at that point it's just straight up#please believe me. please trust me. please don't shoot that person. please don't kill anyone. please don't do it.#and wolfwood.... it was not always this lovey dovey ok. he wouldv noticed this habit miles away and they got into a fight about it the first#time they talked about it bc wolfwood is being hypocritical too. as he always is!!!! but i think as they get more intimate#wolfwood finds ways to make vash understand. smth smth insatiable want and love and desire for wolfwood that makes it much easier to ask.#wolfwood can also just be so compliant. sometimes. which is also an issue in of itself that id love to explore at some point#but he also just enjoys giving into vash fully and completely.#bc he loves him a lot. but anyway#i hope the id is comprehendible.... please lmk if there's something wrong with how im doing it asfdgkdsmgs#ruporas art
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i just. wanted to draw them kissin'. so here's a modern au mistletoe thing. :') happy december!!! also i think shanks would look amazing in a cream-coloured cable-knit. 😌💞
#one piece#one piece fanart#mishanks#akataka#dracule mihawk#akagami no shanks#shanks#red hair shanks#op fanart#btw the song for this is 'cold december night' by michael bublé!!!!!!#i think it'd be a really good mishanks holiday song abt them having missed the timing to be together when they were in college#but they get brought back into each others' orbits decades later bc their kids are besties and so now shanks finds himself#about to head to a series of parties with the guy that was the one that got away and mihawk is STILL hot and he is STILL SINGLE!!!!#there's a running thing where mihawk always makes sure he buys gifts for everyone who attends and he asks shanks what he wants#and shanks doesnt really answer him till it's christmas even and theyre having a warm intimate convo in front of the fire#and shanks confesses like 'i just want u to fall in love with me for christmas'#(little does he know mihawk never stopped being in love with him too!!!!!)#i digress
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Ride 800: Blue sky of joy
Pag 1
1: A climb's outcome is always
2: decided at a place that's close to the sky
4: You bet everything on it, and when the wheels cross the finish line
5: The winner....
Pag 2 / 3
1: raises their hands to the sky and rejoices
A blessing for Manami, the wide sky is Hakogaku's blue!!)
Pag 4
1: The first day's mountain prize goes to Hakone Academy's number 13, Manami Sangaku!!
3: He clearly raises both his arms up to the sky!! For the third year in a row the mountain prize goes to Hakone Academy!!
The sky... is so blue!!
Pag 5
1: I feel alive!!
2: Hakogaku...!!
Kanagawaaa!!
The kings!!
3: Manami took it!!
He beat Mountain King!!
Pag 6
2: Amaziing!!
3: Manami-saaan!!
You're so cool!!
Hakogaku is so strong!!
4: The strongest!!
Manami-saaan!!
6: Waaaaaa
7: Amazing, what a nice scenery
We really climbed to such a nice place
I don't know why, it's strange...
Pag 7
1: but everything looks brilliant
Pag 8
2: The vividness of the greens
The vitality of plants
3: The birds' chirping
The buzzing of insects
Pag 9
1: I can feel the life of every living being
2: Manami-saan!!
You were so cool just now!
It was so exciting!
Manami-kuun!
I took a video!
3: The scenery looks brilliant, doesn't it, Manami
4: In road racing, “victory”
5: is something that's so important it changes the way your body feels
Pag 10
1: Not to mention that it's against the opponent against who he lost for two years in a row
2: The delight makes your cells vibrate all throughout your body
Here's a bottle!
Ah, thanks
4: Manami, that... you managed to get so far while going through so much suffering, you worked so hard and endured
(I threw it away
But I didn't answer)
5: This is
Pag 11
1: a “rewarded joy” for all of that
2: Manami
Hakogakuu!!
Manami-kuun!!
Pag 12
1: Congratulations
Pag 14
1: Thank you for fighting with all your strength
3: After the mountain line there's still the finish line
Keeping your energies for the team is part of the strategy
4: But you used all your strength until your limit to fight against me
5: So, I'm thankful
Pag 15
1: Ah... yeah, but... I couldn't... win...
Even though everyone worked hard to push my back...
2: You're amazing, Manami-kun
You're even stronger than that time on Minegayama
3: Well... at the time I was still at around 75%, I was still in the middle of it
Yet I could still get a lead on you
5: Honestly, this time, when there were around 100m left I thought I couldn't win
But
6: I didn't know until the very last moment
7: You got stronger too!!
Pag 16
1: No no no no
That's not true at all, not true at all
Woah....
2: I just followed, I just did the best I could
3: Aren't you self aware?
That means
4: I just practiced very hard...
That those two control the practices
Their base power has grown
5: Mo- more importantly, huh... I'm sorry!!
Pag 17
1: Huh.... right before the finish line... uhm... I...
Actually...
3: In my mind I referred to you as “Sangaku” without any honorifics!!
4: In....
6: In your heart?
Without honorifics?
Pag 18
1: Hahahaha
2: Hahaha
Huh!? What kind of reaction is this!? Huh!?
3: I'm- I'm sorry
I just... I was really excited at the end!!
4: It's fine
6: I'm actually glad you referred to me without honorifics, it's like... we got so much closer
No, but... I... huh
I don't dislike it...
7: But I guess adding the “kun” really feels like the most natural thing...
Ugh....
8: Besides
Pag 19
1: While you're shouting inside your heart you don't have to add it
3: And at the end, I too, inside my heart
4: I called you “Sakamichi”
6: That, that makes me happy
Right!
7: Ah... now finally...
8: Uhm.....
Pag 20
1: We fulfilled our promise... thank you
Yeah....!!
2: We haven't reached the finish line yet, so we can't rest (haha)
This... this time, since we raced for the mountain stage we still have to keep running even if our race is over
Looks like there's still a little more to go
Ugh...
Pag 21
1: Buaah, yeah!!
It's Hakogaku's victory!!
2: You're too loud!! San-na!!
It's Hakogaku's victory, buah!!
How many times are you gonna say it...!!
3: I'll say it over and over again!! Manami is stronger than Onoda!!
Ugh...!! Onoda-san..!!
4: Humph
Pag 22
1: Amazing, amazing, he's really so cool!!
Uh... he's cool, I guess...
(Tobirama-kun is acting cool)
2: He did it
3: Yeah, and thanks to him
4: The team's morale is rising!!
6: This is bad... Hakogaku-san's power is increasing
What do we do, Hotshot
Pag 23
1: Don't worry, even if they raise their power, let them do it
5: Or, Naruko, are you worried that their morale is rising?
7: Worried? What is “worry”, some sort of rock?
8: That's right. Us third years, me, you, and Onoda have already increased our base power with a program
Pag 24
1: that was sure to make us stronger!!
3: Kakaka!!
4: Huh... what's that... “base power”!?
Pag 25
1: Does that mean they're getting stronger?!
2: Those two's pressure is suddenly rising!!
Pag 26
2: Imaizumi and Naruko's....!!
3: They're getting stronger... than last year
Is this connected to that time at the beginning of spring...
4: when the third years didn't come to practice for a week?
Pag 27
1: Hakogaku's morale is rising? That's just what I was looking forward
Yeah!! I can't help but feel excited!!
2: The “finish line” is waiting!!
#yowapeda#yowamushi pedal#yowamushi pedal translations#yowapeda manga#yowamushi pedal manga#yowamushi pedal spoilers#ride 800#WE'RE AT 800 CHAPTEEEEERS#do you guys think we'll reach 1000 chapters? i believe so#anyway!!#manami and onoda become more and more canon with every passing chapter asdgfsakdgfa#like what in the shonen ai manga was this!!#you know how in romance stories there's that point when the main characters start calling eo by their first names#and theyre all embarrassed because of it#and it's very sweet and intimate#yes this is literally it#'i feel like we've gotten closer'#'i don't dislike it'#'it makes me happy'#PLEASE CONFESS ALREADY WHAT THE HELL#I love it i love them i need to write a fic about this#anyway leaving aside sansaka for a moment#im so curious about this mysterious training program the third years went through???#also tobirama is as adorable as always what an idiot i love him#kabu and bashi's relationship is the best thing ever they're besties your honor#enemies to besties#also im so happy to see roku-chan again i missed him so muuuch#cant wait to see him doing things :')
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Nie Huaisang is my favorite Untamed character because he's the heir to the biggest baddest warrior sect of them all but his best weapons are his mind, his theatrics, and his sense of dramatic irony.
#also the deep pools of feelings he has for others that he doesn't seem all that aware he possesses#he loved meng yao enough to eventually hate him so viciously#(he doesn't just kill him he exposed every dirty pore of him and destroys him utterly)#(it's almost tender to hate someone intimately enough to know every tiny thing about them)#he loves his brother enough to embark on a decade long revenge quest on his behalf#he loves his friend enough to think resurrecting him is a good idea#(when it's a miracle that worked out in his favor)#nie huaisang#the untamed#the grandmaster of demonic cultivation#mxtx#the untamed spoilers#you can tell he's an arts major because he turns his vengeance into some kind of poetic saga
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So I said I was going to explain so hear me out. I was looking at this twitter thread and realized something, guys, this is a queer ending.
Do you all remember Korrasami? This is that ending! Korrasami wasn't explicitly canon til the end, and even then, that scene had to still be confirmed romantic afterward. Yes, looking lovingly at another while entering another realm is romantic, but it's not a kiss, it's not a confession, and while so many saw it without confirmation, it could so easily be shoved aside as platonic.
I've been racking my brain trying to figure out how this seemingly generic ending made Bones handle the anime adaptation differently. We can think about alternative endings, about phrasing but maybe it just has to do with that final scene. Horikoshi didn't need to have Katsuki reaching out his hand the parell at the end was towards Izuku receiving his power. Didn't need to emphasize Katsuki's involvement with the project, but he did. He did all this. And Bones knew they couldn't shy away from what even the Japanese fanbase has deemed a marriage proposal. They knew they had to emphasize Katsuki's importance, and haven't you noticed how much more they have done so. Korrasami's cannon moments aren't filled with blushes but the closeness of their relationship. Queer ships, especially before them, had their moments in the in-between in looking at the analysis we make. Call it cope, call it whatever, but I refuse to believe these moments don't mean something. He could have so easily ended the series with All Might giving him the suit. Katsuki didn't have to reach out in the end. If he wanted an opening ending he could have had the whole of 1A there reaching out for him or even just skip to the ending scene with everyone. He could have had Ochako, but no, he emphasized Katsuki. You realize that if Ochako had reached out and told him to go with her, there would be no denying the implication there. There are a couple of things I wished from the ending, but we ultimately won. If Korrasami was never confirmed that ending scene would still be pretty romantic. If all a ship needs to be canon and make sense within the story is the author's approval, I think that ship is at least heavily implied.
#I mean japan even thinks they are together.#can't wait for bones to have to animate this#this was truely my bkdk acedemia#we won#bakudeku#bkdk#mha#mha 430#shouts of the void#can you imagine how it's going to look hand and hand jumping into action together#the devotion of Katsuki has to be taken into account.#that scene was a parelle to Allmight giving him one for all you realize how Katsuki wasn't in that scene at first#that's a whole other thing to talk about but you see how there arcs needed to end with them holding hands#he could have done it platonic heck he could have thrown it in 424 but he had to wait till the end because to bkdk a handhold is like a kis#intimate and definitely not platonic or casual
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Kinda 😾 rn cause I realized the Senna show made the "can we be equal? 👉👈" scene SOOOO much less intimate/cute. Upon watching it, I was too distracted by "Oh! They're referencing dialog that actually happened!!" but now I'm peeved having rewatched the actual clip 😭
Why would they do this to me specifically
#skflka sorry i love to nitpick#i guess this kinda thing is fascinating to me#why change the setting and layout so much???? if you're going to portray dialog we have actual footage of#to me theres just smth so palpably different about them sitting pretty intimately close together on a couch#in much more informal zipped down racesuits. very chill. very close. etc. much more levity(if a bit awkward lol)#vs having them in this very formal setting. sitting in separate chairs. in full racesuit. team and press surrounding them.#having ayrton sit so much more stiff and alain more lax whereas they were both lax in the original. ayrton even more so w his arm draped#i guess im curious how little things like this contribute to the overall portrayal and narrative they are specifically pushing#id include clips to compare bcs i feel like the way they have them speak the lines is sooooo different from irl#but clipping netflix is so annoying LOL maybe later#smth about how they make ayrton feel like this innocent puppy whereas they feel like they're on very equal footing in the irl clip#idk how to describe it. i guess i felt in the original clip alain felt way more cutesy and earnest#joking abt fighting and being equal. and ayrton laughs w him and is much more the intense one yknow#whereas he is portrayed very earnestly in the netflix one. as if alain is this older driver who doesnt take him seriously.#hope this makes sense :) yes i am the annoying fan who holds up a microscope to everything slkjal#anyways. i love that clip. alain is sooooo cute in it#prosenna#catie.rambling.txt#f1
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considering the idea of dick subconsciously thinking "when WE were kids" about him and bruce
#as always this is back up by My Feelings and little else#but i feel like dick is in some ways very aware of the age and maturity situation with bruce#but still falls into a mindset of. idk. not quite making excuses for him. but like rationalizing bruce's whole Thing#because it's true that bruce was stunted in MANY ways#dude's got some legitimate excuses and dick is intimately familiar with them#however. how far does that extend... as far as justification for bad or just not ideal behavior#anyways i think about dick and bruce both kinda thinking about their early days as them playing like children#not consciously#but yknow they put on their little costumes and had adventures. it's sweet and pure when you don't look too hard at it
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TW: Discussion of sexual assault and suicidal ideation
I've been seeing some debate about Calypso and whether or not she sexually assaulted Odysseus and I want to throw in my two cents.
I'll say straight out of the gate that I don't currently like her much. I feel pretty icky about her personally.
Comparing Ody's behavior in Epic prior to "Love in Paradise" vs during the song feels so... clearly different. He seems very traumatized by whatever has been happening on that isle. It almost feels out of character for him to consider dying instead of fighting to get home alive like he had been, but putting myself in his shoes I can see how he came to that through what's textually known. He has been trapped on that isle for 7 years—that's nearly a decade, with no way to get out, everyone he knows and loves dead or far away with no way to know where he is or if he's alive. While I obviously would never think that's a good decision, I can see how he got to the point of wanting to end it. And if he's been sexually assaulted like he was in The Odyssey, I understand it more due to how that can warp a person's mental health.
I've seen some say, "Calypso is just a sweetie who doesn't know how to love properly" (paraphrasing of an actual comment I've seen). Even if she really just doesn't know how to care for a mortal, as many of the gods seemingly don't, I think she understands her power over mortals with her "Bow down now to the immortal Calypso" comment. She also understands that Odysseus doesn't want her, with the first part of her response to Ody's threats being "Oh handsome, you may try". She knows that he may try to escape by killing her (even though she can't die). Honestly, why would she feel the need to trap him if she didn't know good and well that he would want to escape her? She knew what she was doing was something that would make him want to run. Calypso being a goddess automatically gives their dynamic a power imbalance of course. Even though the assault is only implied, the fact that she's trapping Ody against his will, super infatuated by him, and still says "Soon, into bed we'll climb and spend our time", makes me feel like the indication is clear. What's stopping her from trying to have "sex" with him (sex isn't sex without consent)? She's already ignored all his declines. She seems to think that forcing her "love" onto him will make him love her. Yes, she uses lovey-dovey language so I doubt it would've appeared violent, but sexual assault doesn't have to look violent and the perpetrator doesn't have to appear aggressive. It's telling that I've seen some say, "Save that energy for Antinous" because Antinous is much more obviously bad, but this kind of thing isn't always obvious. That kind of assault is still extremely traumatizing whether it's sugarcoated as if it's love or not. It's dismaying that some reactions to Calypso bypass her potential assaulting or "She's weird, but she seems to care for him!" And since the sexual part of the assault is technically subtext (for now, who knows about later), I'll say that even if Calypso didn't sexually harm him, she still forces physical and verbal intimacy onto him and traps him so he can't leave. We see that. That's still assault. The only reason why I don't feel similarly about Epic's version of Circe is that her intent wasn't to have sex with Ody but to distract and throw him off with talk of sex so she could stab him as he's vulnerable; Circe never wanted to have sex with Ody in actuality. Calypso's intent was romantic intimacy and she didn't care if Odysseus said no, she completely bypassed it. Calypso saying "You're mine, all mine" feels as threatening as Circe's "I've got you" was meant to be.
Anything can change between now and the next two sagas. It could either be fully confirmed or denied that sexual assault took place. I actually don't expect either, as I don't think Jay would go too deep into such a traumatic concept in Epic, but then again I also didn't expect suicidal ideation to be brought up at all and it absolutely shocked me when it was, so I could be wrong. But whether it's confirmed or not, I don't blame any Epic fans who don't like Calypso or even hate her over what she did and what it's implied she did. It's icky watching some fans tell others they shouldn't hate Calypso because of this or that as if this isn't a sensitive and complex topic. It's creepy. I don't think we should tell people not to hate a character associated with sexual assault. The sexual assault might be subtext, but subtext is important and sometimes is implemented intentionally. Not every part of a story is going to be given to you at face value. Just because "Epic didn't say that" doesn't mean that the implication doesn't matter. People interact with stories in different ways, so you can disagree with others—no one can take that from you, but you don't get to tell someone they can't feel a certain way about a character. I don't like saying this because I really shouldn't have to put it in this perspective for it to be understood, but I can't help but feel like if Calypso and Ody's genders were swapped some people would treat this implication differently. Sexually or not she hurts him.
Normally I don't like taking lore from The Odyssey and automatically applying it to Epic, as Epic has changed a lot of rules from The Odyssey because Jay wants to tell this story his own story. For example, I personally choose not to assume Eury and Ody are brothers-in-law in Epic like they are in The Odyssey because that hasn't been stated in Epic so far. But to me, the implications of Ody's sexual assault are there enough for me personally to think that it might take place in both stories. Jay seems to want Epic to be accessible to many people, so it doesn't surprise me that this element of The Odyssey was brought up in a more subtextual/"hinted at" way.
Calypso is a very interesting character, maybe the most out of all the Epic antagonists so far for me, but we don't have to think of her as not doing anything wrong in order to enjoy that character, her songs, her cute physical character design, or Barbara Wangui's beautiful voice.
[The remainder of this post contains potential spoilers for the unreleased (to date) Vengeance Saga under the cut]
[Edit: Now complete with some post-Vengeance Saga release points]
Another defense of Calypso I've seen is that in the snippets for "I'm Not Sorry for Loving You", Ody says he loves Calypso, but not in the way she wants him to. This could mean they're friends and therefore doubt about the sexual assault could be cast.
It's hard to assess this because the saga's not out yet, but it's worth remembering that abuse can come out of care, in a complicated way. You can care for someone so much you end up hurting them, usually out of wanting to control them. Calypso seems to fit that concept. And most Epic snippets don't give full context, naturally, so who knows why Ody says this at the moment. Maybe he means it, or maybe he's bluffing to guarantee he'll get what he wants (which is to be set free in this instance), like when meeting Athena, or to appease a god, like when "apologizing" to Poseidon in "Ruthlessness". And of course, victims don't have to hate their perpetrators if they choose not to. Odysseus can care about Calypso and she can still have hurt him really badly. Both of these things can be true.
The way I read it, Calypso doesn't love Odysseus like she thinks she does. She's infatuated by him and cares for him enough to not be obviously cold like all the other obstacles Ody faced initially are. She declares that she loves him as soon as he wakes up on her isle without knowing him at all. She didn't even know his name. The washed-up person on her isle could've been anyone and she likely would've "loved" them. Calypso only loves Ody because he stops her loneliness, not for who he is. When she begins to state that she loves him she doesn't even know him. Over the 7 years, she seems to have potentially gotten to know him a bit, saying "I know your life's been hard", but Odysseus himself asserts that she doesn't really know what he's been through. You can call someone (against their will, let me remind you) "my dear, my love for life" all you want, but that doesn't mean you love them. Ody's her first companion in years if not ever, of course she cares for him on a basic level. She won't kill him or let him jump off a cliff. But she doesn't love him or treat him like a human and obey his boundaries and wants. She treats him like an object or pet she owns and has to guard.
In "I'm Not Sorry For Loving You" Calypso says that Ody is all she's ever known because she was abandoned. It's understandable that she would latch onto a living creature after being alone for so long. But that's not necessarily love, at least not to me. If I love someone I wouldn't bypass their refusal to do something. And I wouldn't trap them with me and not let them go, even when they're about to jump off a cliff because they see no way out. I'm not sure if Calypso means to bring malice, she at least says she "bring(s) no pain", but she does regardless or if she intends to. Calypso hasn't had anyone in her company, let alone someone to love, for so long, maybe in her whole life. That's why she doesn't know what love is, so of course when she catches fickle feelings for Odysseus she assumes that's love and has no clue what to do with her "love", as she admits in "I'm Not Sorry For Loving You". Calypso's actions are understandable, but that doesn't mean they're excusable or not abusive. What she does to him is understandable, but selfish and only serves herself, which isn't what you do to someone you love. Note that the way I use understandable here does not equate to forgivable, it just means conceivable. And her apology to him really waters down the magnitude of her actions, saying she "pushed" him, "came on too strong", and that her love might've been "too much" for Ody.
I apologize for this being such a long rant, but I wanted to cover all the excuses for Calypso I'd seen and speak my mind on why I think they're misguided at best.
Post-Vengeance Saga Edits:
Now that The Vengeance Saga has been released, I can comfortably say that I still don't like Calypso, and I think this saga just encourages me to do that. I wasn't anticipating the entirety of "I'm Not Sorry for Loving You" to basically have been featured in the snippets. I was expecting the official song to give more context, maybe showcasing Ody and Calypso having a dialogue, but no! That was really it. And I'm honestly happy for it. It seems like the show recognizes that Calypso is in the wrong, with the way we aren't meant to really ruminate on Ody leaving her. The excuse I talked about above using the theory that Calypso and Odysseus would turn out to have been friends because he said he loved her? I just don't think that held much water by release. I particularly want to point out the way @gigizetz drew Ody's face as he leaves in the commissioned animatic from Jay's stream:
While I can't say for certain that he doesn't mean the "I love you" in some way... he doesn't look like he means it to me. There's no lovey-softness in his eyes, like you might have when you look at your friends when saying I love you. He looks beaten down. Tired. Above, I proposed that Ody might just be blowing smoke to further get what he wants from her. I don't think there's quite enough insight for me to say I was necessarily right on that, but Ody doesn't actually appear that attached to her, certainly not enough so for me to confidently say that I think his "I love you" is genuine. He doesn't even look like he'll miss her, he looks beyond ready to go as she shouts, not pained by her tears. Honestly, Ody might've just said that so she'd stop talking so he could leave. Now there is one more saga left, so maybe he'll wistfully mention or remember her, but I'm not really expecting it based on the official visuals that Jay okay'd. Humbly, I'll say that I don't think Odysseus feels much for Calypso. We don't get happy moments of them together and not even a proper goodbye filled with mutual pain. We just get her backwards apology that basically says, "Sorry I hurt you, but not fully. Shut up and let me talk about me and justify why I trapped you. Wish you'd stop rejecting me despite the fact that I've hurt you. Let me shout that I hate that I fell for you—only because this hurt me unlike I wanted when I kidnapped you—who cares if it hurt you." This moment is not at all a redemption for Calypso. It's her downfall. Her negative character arc. She didn't want to be alone so bad she trapped a person against his will and now she is alone forever (in this show). She can't even have Ody as a friend (and she won't accept purely his friendship anyway based on how the song ends). Who knows how different things would've been if she had just been more... normal when he washed up on her isle? The situation was tragic for them both in different ways, but I'm not sorry for Calypso. Calypso is so interesting as a character. Side-lining her actions just bards us from being able to assess her.
#and this was a posibly bit petty and trivial so i didn't include it in the post#but when she called him “ody” that really rubbed me the wrong way#it's just... too intimate for her to use when he's so venerable#who's to say at this time if she knew that gravity of all the things she stated during the cliff scene but jezz man...#epic the musical#the wisdom saga#odysseus#calypso#jorge rivera herrans#tw sex assault#tw sex abuse#tw sa#tw sui ideation#tw sui talk
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do you ever think about hiccup not being able to find valka for a bit and having an initial burst of fear that she's left him again even though he knows, really, that's an irrational conclusion to come to so quickly, but a little voice in the back of his mind is yelling that it's not impossible
do you ever think about valka feeling stifled and uncomfortable being among people again so, overwhelmed, she allows cloudjumper to take her to peaceful respite in the sky, too desperate and too urgent to tell anyone. do you ever think about it weighing on valka -- after the first time, after thinking she'll 'only be a moment, he won't even notice' -- that it isn't right to do that to hiccup, but she has to juggle a burning need to take herself away before it all gets worse or a fear that can be soothed later
do you ever think about valka's autism and hiccup's abandonment issues clashing
#im SORRY i saw a gifset of one of hiccups scenes with her in httyd2 and it gave me feelings#that one brief second where she isnt standing next to him as he talks about his map#and he glances around with something close to fear glossing over his face#and you know intimately whats spiking through his chest in that moment because youve felt it too so many times#until he finds her in his line of sight again and it calms but that feeling will always linger with him#because its not such a foreign thing for her to be gone. is it?#GRAAAAH HES A FICTIONAL CHARACTER#kudos to these damn movies for making me care so damn much#httyd#httyd 2#how to train your dragon#hiccup haddock#valka haddock
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If this scene shows me Medic Eddie tending Bucks wounds whilst standing between his legs - I will promptly expire
#the tenderness and intimacy of tending wounds whilst standing between Bucks legs#eddie getting to be a care giver in an intimate and vulnerable way#the way Buck would let Eddie - would be vulnerable in that way with him#(even with his boyfriend there)#it would definitely be a way to trigger a Buck feelings realisation#and put things into flux and bring change#not to mention the fact I would melt at the fact it would be fan fic come to life#the potential way it parallels the way Tommy treated Eddies injury v Bucks#the way Tommy is distant with Buck but was intimate with Eddie - the play on Tommy pursuing Eddie first and switching to Buck later#the call back to their first kiss (Buck is in a similar spot and tommy is too - and likely wearing the same colour ways as that scene)#the way it creates this interestingly tangled knotty web - that Buck is unpicking and figuring things out#hmmmm I am intrigued!#but I will die if it actually happens and be screaming soooo loudly!#911 spoilers#eddie diaz#evan buckley#911 abc#buddie#anti tommy kinard#anti bucktommy
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i think my favorite thing about that fic is hunter rolling a nat 20 in perception of raine and going "they're a really calm, seasoned manipulator who can play people to their own ends. they could be hiding literally any political agenda or wild secrets. also they've made excuses to cut short a bunch of meetings where luz happened to be having An Episode (TM) for some reason" and then immediately rolling a nat 1 on insight like "we cannot possibly guess at their intentions. this might be the biggest threat to luz right now,"
#hunter is me keyed in to every background character in a horror podcast/novel like 'you're the guy arent you' even when#they could not Possibly be the guy. and who can blame him#i say thats mh favorite thing what i mean is it's what tickles me most.#my favorite thing is unsurprisingly luz and hunter snuggling being cute and intimate while also being the saddest bitches alive.#That's The Stuff...#toh#princess luz au#horrible mindscape trauma pals#fic rec#(see last rb for link)#raine whispers
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