#also yes the kpop music industry is super fucked up and I don’t like the way they deal with trainees

[balasha7sanbardo]

im not even trying to stan anyone when I say this but it genuinely bothers me that people shit on kpop or “idols” for literally the dumbest reasons

my thing is what exactly are you hating on? that they wear makeup (especially for men/male-passing folks) and are sometimes cutesy and make pop music…? there’s also this weird association that kpop is mostly for the girlies or “fem” men (we all know what that means and lets not forget how Southeast Asian men are perceived..) and that their music doesn’t go hard or some bs lol it almost seems like anything fem related is hated on - cause only girls or gay men should like boybands and pop music 🥴

I mean genuinely I’ve heard some of the best music made by these artists (in almost all genres) and yes, I’ve also heard some crappy music too but isn’t that the case for almost all artists..?? idk it just grosses me out when I see the way people react when I say I listen to a kpop band that they know nothing about…just from their reactions you can already see that they think I’m some sort of insane fanatic or that I’m THAT kind of person (which…what is exactly the problem with liking boy bands and pop music?)..like bro idgaf what you like vs dislike but also lets maybe consider why you have such a shit perception on something you either have never heard of, haven’t listened to, or just straight up labeled collectively as trash..

[insertbtsurl]

Just to add to this. Given BTS's history, ARMY's protectiveness is understandable. However, I feel like it's almost like the fandom is selectively protective about certain things (chart manipulation), but is totally letting other stuff -that I personally find more questionable- in the article slide. Like, is anyone else concerned that they discussed the pandemic is the first time in ten years they have a work life balance? I know the kpop industry is brutal, but 28.5 days a month? And Jungkook is still looking up critical comments about himself every day to improve his singing? Like, I'm all for always wanting to do your best, but that has to be taking a mental toll. Also, all the members discussed how lonely the pandemic has been and how they are not mentally great? That's the most concerning for me.

And look, I always personally thought the english songs were just BTS using the HYBE merge to let some other people write songs for them while this horrible panini stretched on (expecting them to bring out their A game when RM admits they were completely drained is unrealistic). While I am also a little hesitant reading that the company pushed for it, I think that's pretty natural since HYBE is a business, and their decisions will reflect that. I'm a little more offput by RM saying that they really had no choice because they had to stay relevant during the pandemic. IDK, something kinda bothers me there.

Yes to all of this. I truly truly get why army is this protective but I think we should be a little better at choosing our battles...I think the boys' talent and hard work speaks for itself most of the time.

As to the rest of this yes people are going to latch on the thing that makes them mad and hurts their pride rather than any of the rest. I guess also...none of this is exactly news, so maybe that's why people don't really focus much on it but...yeah.

The boys are overworked, and the panini at least gave them time to rest but it was depressing for 485995 other reasons so...not really worth it, probably.

I haven't forgotten how Jungkook said he didn't eat for five fucking days before shooting the Butter MV...and the other members didn't even really react to him saying that, it was like "oh yeah you look really thin in the MV" and "how do you not eat for five days" but no "no jungkook we don't do that". So clearly not everything is fine and dandy.

The English songs, yes...they were just fun and easy to record I suppose, especially while the world was going to shit, so I didn't think too much of them. Clearly they weren't the most heartfelt authentic songs ever, but no one pretended like they were so it was more than fine. And Butter and Dynamite are bops! Hearing than Bangtan weren't super enthusiastic wasn't exactly a surprise either but...sad...and the whole "we have to consider the good of the company", I just...wonder what HYBE is really gonna do when the guys enlist 🙃

Idk I guess when you start stanning a kpop group you understand that you're in for a crazy ride and that some aspects of the industry (and the music industry globally tbh) are less than pleasant but...if we let it slide it's never gonna change, is it?

[formerdirectioner]

Literally what is it about kpop I feel like I blinked and half my dash had turned into kpop stans and I used to really like your takes on One Direction but now you���re a kpop stan too I just really don’t get it they seem even more manufactured than 1D to me

I think to me, it depends on your definition of the term manufactured. Like, I think in some ways, the fact that they are quite open about being put in groups by agencies and not actually being like best friends since childhood or whatever makes their interactions with each other feel a lot more real than they were in groups like One Direction where they kept playing up that they were best friends and brothers but by the end of the group you could tell half of them didn’t even really like each other.

The kpop industry is fucked up and exploitative in a lot of ways, I won’t deny that. But I feel the same way about the western music industry and the film industry and every industry basically. These are young kids who move away from their families as teenagers and get worked to the bone for a chance to debut and the amount of time that they actually get to be in an active group varies but can be relatively short, with most contracts being seven years but some groups being as short as 2 1/2. There are also fucked up aspects like trainee debt, where children who don’t debut then owe money to the company for the cost of basically raising them, although from what I understand this isn’t as common anymore.

But that doesn’t mean the members themselves are fake or manufactured or bad. They certainly are products of their environment, with a lot of them doing things like getting plastic surgery before they’re even done debuting and not really understanding how ~common people live their lives bc despite being in school as trainees most of them go to performing arts schools specifically for trainees so they have time to practice or perform schedules if they debut before they graduate. But they’re also still human.

A lot of the groups I stan produce and write their own music, do things like weekly livestreams to talk to fans, come on social media quite often to share their days or joke around with their fans, etc. People like Namjoon from BTS and Chan from Stray Kids are known for being super open with fans and being a very huge comfort for people. The rap line of BTS and 3racha of Stray Kids actually write music with less writers than every member of One Direction currently does and the music gets really deep and discusses things like mental illness, heartbreak, their lives as idols, etc. I really recommend songs like uhgood from RM and alien by han jisung to get a taste of what I’m saying.

It’s possible that all members of kpop groups are really well trained to wear a mask 24/7 and nothing we see is real, there’s no doubt of that. They definitely play up things like ships and certain aspects of their personalities on camera too, for fans. But a lot of kpop stans know that and fully acknowledge it and still love the members for the pieces we see of the real them anyway. So yes, the groups are quite literally manufactured, and idols are supposed to have a certain image, but it doesn’t mean that they can’t still share large pieces of themselves and connect with fans. It’s that connection that endears and traps people so easily and quickly.

Also the music is usually fire. haha.

[mellowmoonballoon]

P8 of the Primer - Jeongin

I.N, Baby Bread and Fennec Fox are his main nicknames. The latter two because he said he looks like both the fox and the bread and I don’t want to judge anyone’s perception of self but how both? 

He is somehow both of these people. I know, it’s very upsetting.

He is primarily a singer. But of course he also raps and dances. (*Imma try to remember to talk a bit more about the producing thing too.)

He is the youngest of the group and he is babied to death by skz.

They want to hug him. As Minho’s protege in the skillful art of being a tsundere he would prefer they didn’t hug him like... at least 6 times out of 10.

Seungmin’s face. “Another fucking day...”

(Yes that is Minho bothering him. I don’t know how it works either, ssh.)

But like, the 4 out of 10 other times are really good.

So 2 things (with subcategories lol) I have observed about this, because it kinda bugs me when people don’t want to be touched but are? 1: a) he knows how to remove them when he’s really annoyed but I’m sure he does get his share of unwanted touches.

b) he seems to really hate neck touches in particular and has spoken about it and they seem to be doing way better about that at least.

which gave us Chan loosening his choker when he had to wear one and was too tight, no i’m not over it thanks for asking.

c) I kinda feel like this is why he’s so close with Hyunjin (among other things I’m sure, I just feel like he doesn’t try to stab him quite as often) because Hyunjin is less likely to just grab him, because that’s not really his personality. Hyunjin is more likely to...

and 2. I’m not pretending to be expert in kpop or idol culture here and sorry to quote another band here lol but youtube recced me something that intrigued me so i listened to a bts song that featured these lyrics about maknae (the youngest in the band): “My name is Jeon Jungkook, my other name is maknae; Then I should be doing aegyo, as a 9th grader should“ and I kinda did SOME digging, not much because I don’t like being annoyed, and I realized there are like, expectations. And roles. And what band does in the privacy of their own dorm is one thing but you can’t escape expectations when you’re outside or giving interviews etc etc. It doesn’t help that Jeongin WAS super young when he joined the band, that he’s the only 01 liner in this group and while I WANT to handwave it and say “ah they love him” I think for him it felt like he had to earn his place and it wasn’t easy or handwavy.

But ok, out of the hole and into the sun. Regarding his actual singing and rapping abilities he HAS gotten so much better. LIKE SO MUCH BETTER. LIKE.

A quick sidenote about his voice - I LOVE IT?! It’s not as overtly sweet as Seungmin’s, yes, but it’s still soft and I just love the way he pronounces some sounds. Listen if I had to get emotional about it I could compare it to a cool stream but I don’t so I won’t.

*Anyway, to try and talk a bit about producing/writing, making songs, basically. In 2 kids song he told CB that he never wrote a song before. Idk when 2KS was recorded but it came out 6 months ago so Maknae on Top must have been in the works by that point. But, on MoT he’s credited on both music and lyrics. Maybe that happened after 2ks? Maybe he felt more ready after CB led him through the whole process? (You’ll never be able to convince me otherwise so what does it matter :D ) Chan was, from what I remember, the one who asked I.N to make this song together, for I.N’s birthday?

So let’s talk about Maknae on Top and how it relates to the hole we were in just a few paragraphs ago. In 2019 Chan spoiled a bunch of songs on his computer and he promised he’d release most of them at some point. So far he has kept his word even when we gave up :D Maknae on Top was one of those songs and frankly it sounded kinda funny and memey. And it IS kinda funny and memey. But it’s also fire, like, I know it’s not breaking YT records for music and videos but considering how it dropped and how quickly the views grew... well. Anyway. It’s an amazing song.

It also features Chan, the oldest and the leader, and Changbin, one of the hyungs, carrying I.N around, cleaning his shoes, basically being his lackeys, as he addresses them without honorifics and sings about being on top. 

I mean, this is a picture of skz’s souls leaving their bodies the last time he dropped honorifics in public. Now he did it for 2m people on youtube alone and CB applauded him for it.

It’s not going to change the industry or shake the planet, but it’s one of those small things skz does that just pushes against established roles and boundaries that make me happy. And also, it’s one of those I.N things that shows how much they do respect him and want to see him thrive and are there for him. 

Yeah so listen to Maknae on Top it’s so much fun.

As far as actually childish things he does, he has started calling everyone ugly. Seungmin is trying to train him out of it but it’s hard work when the other kids keep encouraging him.

I.N’s hobbies include 1. being a grumpy grandfather (but now with tits out, we all know this is Chan’s fault, right?).

Same, Seungmin, Same.

(He listens to a lot of Trot, old people Kpop, and I have a vague memory of him saying he spent a lot of time with his grandparents as a kid which - one grandparent-influenced kid to another - it shows.) I wanted to say some day I will post an actual SKZ song in one of these primers but then I remembered this was the last one D:

2. Asking to be loved but then pushing everyone away “haha i do that.vine”

3. He used to keep things in, then his mom was like: “stop that” and worked on the problem and now he’s broken through to the other side :D

I think this was the line they were given to discuss, and ALSO the expected role of the maknae tbh, to amuse everyone and be cute.

But:

Maknae on top...

He turns to Hyunjin and Changbin a lot! Which is why I do like that there are so many of them with such different personalities. You don’t have to love everyone equally but you can find someone who will be there for you.

4. Being clumsy

But actually, they all talk to each other about their problems a lot and they are all really good listeners.

Just a bunch of good eggs in that carton.

Le gasp! This concludes the tsundere line and the primer! Woo! I’m sure I forgot a million things. But that’s what editing and adding is for!

Bang Chan - Minho - Changbin - Hyunjin - Han - Felix and Felix2 - Seungmin - Jeongin

[berrymeter]

heyyy perth it’s tt anon i saw u tell everyone to listen to onf’s music so i listened to onf’s music!! and bro... actually amazing. onf are making some of the best and most interesting kpop rn. don’t get me wrong oneus is also making some of the best kpop rn but their songs are simply also uninteresting <3 but onf... sukhumvit swimming is ofc top tier and i also really like my genesis, why and ugly dance (yeah why wasn’t in ur recs and u thought ugly dance sounded like an nct reject YEAH I KNOW we seem to have different music tastes lmao) the dreamer/realist connections were fun to listen to although i feel like the ~ending song swap~ was smoother in the dreamer than in the realist. and a lot of their voices.. i think emkay and etion and jayus? all have this high, airy, bit nasal voice whichhh isn’t really my thing but on the other hand HYOJIN’s voice.. the hyoice.. underrated and deserves more hype forever. and they do so many little interesting compositional/instrumental choices like electric guitar or sax or weird synths or chromatic scales! so even if the song itself is p mainstream there’s enough there to keep u guessing. which is just cool!

TT ANON GOOD TASTE CONFIRMED YET AGAIN!!!!! i didn't think anybody would listen to that post tbh AKSJSJDJ i just expect ppl to be annoyed by me & blacklist onf 😭 but as usual u deliver... i feel trusted... and cared for like u just placed a blanket on top of me after i fell asleep on the couch 💕💕💕 (i haven't slept in almost 24 hrs don't mind the comparisons... and i swear i tried to sleep for 10 hours just now... very boring)

and hey why was in my recs i said listen to the title tracks 😔 i only removed her from my faves playlist recently bc i didn't wanna get tired of it bc it's so good but it'd been there for a year KSJSNSJJS. it's just a solid song and i like it better than we must love on most days (onf performing wml with yooa on rtk kind of... not ruined it but... eh. she didn't sing, only danced, but STILL...). i think my big problem with ugly dance is not only that the song is a bit messy (that would be fine on its own) but that it was pretty much... marketed as a followup to beautiful beautiful in some way? i mean it's a repackage and onf have been doing those storyline mvs since we must love (and maaaybe complete? i forgot the mv i just know the song makes me cry like a baby and the choreo is fun), and since beautiful beautiful, which fucking bangs, was connected to why (& possibly sukswim but look i'm still trying to work out what that mv means KAJZNWJSJ) i expected ugly dance to follow... but no it was just a dance mv in a completely different tone 😔 and i still think my genesis should've been the title track had they followed up from bb but they didn't so... ksjxsmdnsj

yeah it is smoother in the dreamer but i feel like it works well with the songs? like oh fuck thinking about it made me tear up i have a problem KAJDNSNS but like i was gonna say i feel like the realist is (obviously) thematically darker than the dreamer so the abrupt cut into something lighter makes sense imo, like the way you don't remember when you fall asleep - you're thinking (if you're like me i think about oc storylines while i fall asleep) and then suddenly you're in your dreams (if you're like me i remember my dreams very often). meanwhile the dreamer would be more like, an attempt at convincing yourself things are good, and at the end the reality slowly creeps up on you while they keep saying "let's dream"... and i legit teared up while typing all of that help 😭😭 i'm just Passionate about music KAJSNSNSKS but this is ridiculous. but yeah that's how i feel about those songs without going too much into the lyrics and i feel like the way both transitions were done really fits each song!

HYOJIN'S VOICEEE YES HE'S SO FULL AND POWERFUL. i have a post out there where i described all four of their voices with flavours bc it's the easiest way for me to describe high voices and hyojin was a fruit like a peach or passionfruit iirc meanwhile etion was the taste of pistachios/almond milk i think? emkay is sweet like candy but not sour candy or something super gummy, more akin to cotton candy if anything (or those very industrial drinks) so even when he sings loud he sounds soft. something that also applies to taemin btw, he isn't sweet in that same way at all but even when he's loud he just doesn't sound as powerful as key or jinki, and that's the same thing with hyojin and other onf vocalists - he's the powerhouse! jayus... i might've compared his voice to something light like vanilla... i'll look for the post. but yeah if u like hyojin's voice i recommend checking out even of day's performance of you were beautiful guest starring hyojin he sounds beautiful (i link it bc i personally struggle to find it on youtube idk why??), and of course onf's everybody cover on rtk... it did Not please everyone but that's quite literally what got me into them. my favourite shinee title track? with hyojin's vocals? (we ignore wyatt) ofc i was gonna like it.....

also this talk of voices reminds me i forgot to recommend secret triangle :/ so loud for no reason near the end but top 10 songs i listen for jayus' airy tone KWJDMSJSJ. but tbh i can't really pick a favourite vocalist in onf they're all really good at what they're doing... my beloveds... their songs truly are Mainstream But Good these days (ugly dance is still a bit of a letdown but it's on my faves playlist for now so... we'll see how long this lasts) but what i also really like with them are the mvs. they're very cinematic a lot of the time especially why that doesn't even have a single dance shot i still don't know what the choreo is LMAO... umm so yeah this was onf promo hour i guess sorry mutuals i'll tag this long post 😭😭

[emeraldbabygirl]

My Favorite Concepts

I decided I wanted to make a list of my favorite concept idols and groups have done:

Safety shorts: very important

Oversized sweaters: sweater paws are too die for

Chokers: everyone looks amazing in them

Idols and cute outfits in general like overalls uwu

Retro concepts: I’m an absolute hoe for retro concepts, Spica’s I’ll Be There, April’s Oh My Mistake, Ladies’ Code’s Feedback

Idols wearing flowers crowns

Idols wearing specks

Idols with beautiful tan skin: Hakyeon, Jessi, Hyorin, Seungyeon

Idols in pastel colors: they look so cute and soft uwu

Idols eating delicious food

Foot stomping and shoe squeaking dance practices

Idols having fun outside or at amusement parks as well as filming cute videos in different countries

Tattoos: tbh it’s my kink but damn some idols just pull it off so well

Sometimes idols have really cute piercings, like different places on their ears or belly button piercings like LE and Mint

Specific sections of their hair dyed: Lisa, Dahyun, Jinjin and that member of Itzy (forgive me I don’t know her name)

Idols and karaoke rooms: always iconic

Idols with braces: there’s nothing cuter than when Vernon, I.N, Sanha and Donghyun had braces uwu

Idols being thicc or muscular and not twigs: Hwasa, Wonho, Kyla, Eunha, Luna, St.Van

The girl crush/tomboy concept: Amber, Jeongyeon, Miya

Idols with stuffed animals: San & Shiber, Bobby & Pooh, Youngguk and Tigger

Low rapping voices or voices that you wouldn’t expect them to have: Youngguk, Wooseok, Wyatt, Zuho, Hwiyoung & Song Mingi uwu etc.

Tbh I love the rappers that sounds like Hyuna, Yeeun and Miso. At first I thought it was annoying but I really like it now

That one year that like every idol dressed as Harley Quinn from Suicide Squad

Idols “getting thicc on us” Hongki, K.Will, Kyla, half the members of Boyfriend, CNU etc.

Female idols not caring when female fans pull the mirror trick

Idols sticking up for themselves and each other

Female idols really doing the best despite how difficult it is being a female in the music industry: this is mostly because I honestly have so much respect for female idols, they have to deal with periods and creepy perverts, dancing and running in heels, they’re just really amazing

Male idols not being afraid to show their soft sides

Male idols showing love to male fans

Idols being adorable with fans

Idols of mixed races and/or other races, Hanbyul, Felix, Samuel, Somi, Monika, Wendy, Mark, Sorn, Nickhun, Momo, etc.

Really tall and really short idols: Rowon, Zelo, Soobin, the whole of Tiny-G, Jinhwan, Woozi etc.

Idols and onesies and idols with onesie dance practices

Idols genuinely having fun on stage

Idols in suits and really gorgeous dresses that are classy and elegant

Groups with unique introductions: D-Crunch, Alphabat, 24K

Groups celebrating 7th, 8th and further on anniversaries, like Apink: because seeing a group together after so long is really cool and I love that

Groups leaving a company together and resigning with another one or filing lawsuits and winning: B2ST/Highlight and B.A.P

Younger idols being children for as long as they can :(

Idols being safe and happy

The “every member is a visual” group: Imfact, VAV, Bigstar, N.Tic

Big groups, 9+ members: WJSN, Seventeen, UP10TION (Super Junior, Exo, and Alphabat used to be big)

Idols being bf/gf material af

Idols getting married to their gf/bf of 8 mothafuckin years: shoutout to U-Kwon and his beautiful relationship with his gf

Idols getting married before having children

Idols being cute with kids

Idols being cute with their parents and siblings

Idols and beach fun time episodes; everyone is so cute and they are having fun

Unique concepts that lots of underrated groups are amazing at like horror concepts: stan Dreamcatcher

Unique and fun choreos like Speed’s Don’t Tease Me, NCT Dream’s Chewing Gum, fromis_9’s Fun

Tiny female rappers spittin fire: Dasom from 2EYES, Seoyeon from fromis_9

Idols wearing comfortable clothes for dance practices

Idols that are actually bands: Royal Pirates, LedApple, Say Yes, OneWe, Tweety, Barbie D (Kiwi Band)

Older idol groups that are either still around making music or came back after a long hiatus to continue making music: Shinhwa, Sechkies, S.E.S

Newer idols covering older idols songs like H.O.T, BoA, DBSK etc.

Collab stages between groups, Fx and Shinee, Boys Generation, WJSN, Red Velvet, Twice, Gfriend. BUT NOT THAT COLLAB STAGE WITH GOT7, SEVENTEEN, GFRIEND AND TWICE, THAT WAS CRINGEY AS HELL AND I HAVE NIGHTMARES OF IT AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH

Idols in haunted houses, unless they cry like Tao :(

Performing on stage with hand mics and being able to do the choreo one-handed: I think the newer mics are cool but there’s something about the hand helds that I’m in love with especially when the rappers get the mics, it’s really hot tbh

Idols under JYP in hoodies: tbh all idols under JYP look so smol and cute in hoodies I uwu

I love aesthetically pleasing mvs that a lot of newer groups are doing but I absolutely love the dark, boxy, old 2008/2009/2010 aesthetic tbh; anything by MBLAQ especially Cry and Oh Yeah, Girls Generation’s Run Devil Run, Shinee’s Ring Ding Dong, NU’EST’s Face, B.E.G’s Abracadabra, that dark stuff. And it’s not even for a specific reason really, it just reminds me of the golden days of kpop and tbh I miss that. I love all these new groups but there’s something almost nostalgic to me about those older mvs and every kpop fan should watch those older mvs definitely. The older groups are really legends. I miss them, like Infinite and KARA uwu

Groups covering and/or dancing to literally any Sistar song, but ‘Touch My Body’ will forever remain THE iconic Sistar song: NewKidd, Boyfriend, fromis_9

Idols wearing suit jackets and slacks with just plain t-shirts. They look so nice but also casual and comfortable and I like that. EXID’s Night Rather than Day outfits I really like and then recently OneUs’s dance practice for Twilight, Keonhee wore it really well

Idols wearing suit jackets and a nice button up on top and just jeans and plain sneakers on the bottom: again it’s a casual look but also nice and comfy

Idols with bright hair colors; Yugyeom and GD with yellow hair, Miso and hot pink hair, Yeonkuk with a pretty neon and cyan color

I’m gonna brag rn; literally N.Tic’s Fiction mv is a whole concept within itself. Yeah it’s retro but it’s also the way it was filmed, the lights & effects, the choreo, their outfits and just the way the song flows is absolutely fantastic. It’s like, my favorite song of 2019. Facts sis. Tbh N.Tic themselves are a concept. I’ve made so many posts about them but they deserve it, they are improving with each comeback and all their songs are bops and I am so fucking glad I decided to check them out. I’m glad that, despite how I felt about Jion’s appearance at first, I saw past that, realized how amazing his voice is and decided to stan the group. They’ve done so much for me already and I’m so grateful to them and hope they continue to improve and gain more fans.

Idols and dogs

Idols and plushies uwu

Honestly idols at fansigns are so precious

Hyuna killin it on her way out of Cube we stan

Idol Radio: BLESS YOU ILLHOON

Male idols with long hair; rip Ren, Jungshin, CNU, Kangnam, Jeonghan and Hwiyoung’s long hair :(

Idols stepping on me

Relay dances; Saturday, Weki Meki, 9Muses and A.C.E take it to a whole new level

Reblog with some of your favorite concepts. It can be actual concepts like cute or vampire or something. I just did non music concepts

[kpopunnielol]

KPOP Titles, IMO

Then:

Kings: H.O.T

HOT was the first real big boy group to explode, so much so that SECHSKIES (😭) admits they lost to them.

Legends: SHINHWA

SHINHWA was from SM just like HOT and was even more popular than them. Their fandom name even means legend or myth. They’re also the first and one of very few groups who STAY together over 5 years. It’s not common anymore but for a long time there was a ‘5 year curse’ on boy groups and they would disband at 5.

(Yes that’s it for then, back then kpop wasn’t as big as it started to get, the few groups who were actually popular set the stage for generations after)

2nd:

Gods: DB5K

So a lot of new fans aren’t familiar really with DB5K. They were literally considered Gods of kpop during their time. They broke the world record of biggest fan club (800,000+ in their fancafe) broke mult records in Japan as first kpop group or foreign groups, and really started the hallyu wave. Their name literally means ‘Rising Gods of the East’.

Legends: Super Junior

Super Junior is without a doubt one of the two (Big Bang the other) Hallyu Wave Kings. Super Junior blew up in international popularity as well as the subgroup Super Junior-M. Again, another artist decorated in achievements such as the first Teen Choice Award for a kpop group from what I recall.

Kings: Big Bang

Big Bang is the biggest boy group and literally are the Kings of KPOP. A lot of non VIP like to dismiss it but it’s true. You can see it through all their achievements, world wide recognition, how many people went to their Last Dance concerts, and achievements in the fashion industry as well. Granted yes they didn’t get as much exposure as BTS is getting right now, but they didn’t have the help from the Billboard or anything. They even won the MTV EMA Best World Wide Act and it was a HUGE DEAL. (Look up Britney Spears reaction to BB 😂) Tumblr already had a pretty good kpop community and seeing non-VIP or non-YG stans posting links and reminders to vote for BB, just brought us all together. And I could literally write a whole post of what Gdragon contributed to kpop by himself.

Princes: SHINee

SHINee is another incredibly decorated group who took kpop by storm. One of the few groups who were already very popular from debut on. Their amazing voices, acapella talent, and all around charms won a lot of people over. They’re also one of the few groups who’s popularity hasn’t really fluctuated.

Now:

Legends: GOT7

GOT7 has recently gained so much momentum and popularity, esp overseas as we saw this last year with awards. Being a mult cultural group with smooth voices and overall appeal easily captivates people. I remember for the longest time they didn’t get the recognition they deserved so it’s good to see they finally are.

Gods: EXO

Omg EXO. So I’m not too familiar with them tbh, I’m working on it, I’m addicted to their music, BUT what I do remember is when they debuted they did not need any time for their popularity to grow. See before now most groups would debut and then over time gain popularity. I mean, the public doesn’t know you really when you first debut. You hear older idols talk about it all the time. For instance, now groups debut and if you automatically top charts it’s a good debut. Well that wasn’t the norm at that time. As long as you charted at all it was a good debut, but for EXO they were popular right away, both as EXO-K AND EXP-M. Everyone’s attention was on them and I totally believe they are Korea’s iconic boy group. The Olympics proved that.

Kings: BTS

BTS achievements really speak for themselves. We see it everywhere, esp now that they have won the US over. LITERALLY no one else has done that. A long time ago SE7EN (former solo artist of YG) tried to debut in the US market, even having Lil Kim on his single and it was a flop. BOA tried as well with ‘Eat you up’ and that didn’t work out either. SNSD and CL were somewhat successful but none are anywhere near the success BTS has. They’re literally everywhere and it’s much deserved. I wasn’t an Army until last year but when BTS debuted no one really thought they’d make it. At the time many boy groups had similar styles and BTS was just one of many. Literally no one, including BTS, saw this coming. They’ve come a long way.

Princes: Seventeen

Seventeen is a well rounded group, obvious balanced by their sub groups within the whole. Proven with their success from today and back. When they debuted they were on multiple Billoard charts/lists and charted for a while here in the US as well, as ROOKIES. They’re full of charm, amazing music producer, and continue to release quality music.

So I don’t think BTS being called Kings is in any way a diss to Big Bang. There have been many titles out there and I get it but there are a lot of new groups and new fans, it’s just how it is. They are this generations Kings. Big Bang are KINGS OF KPOP. There’s a difference.

(But wait till Big Bang comes back, it’s over for all y’all bitches)

And you can think I’m Biased but I’m really not. I’m a huge YG Stan and only BB is on there. I’ve been into kpop since 2004, I only remember the year because I had just moved schools and kpop helped me a lot through the hard times, so I’ve seen it all. Believe it or not the internet was around at the time.

Also since I’ve been in kpop since I was in fucking middle school, I don’t get the generations thing. Idk what years start and end one so forgive me for just mashing timelines together?

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k-armys are spreading a tweet namjoon made in 2013 about korean independence where he says 'There is no future for people who have forgotten history' which shows he probably won't agree with working with a japanese imperialist, hopefully he still has this attitude in 2018 twitter(.)com/BTS_twt/status/367906282012831744

yeah i have seen them doing that ;; and fancafe and all the official tweets since then have been flooded with people talking about these things too, but bighit is playing dead fish so far :(

microwavehater said:Am i the only one who never believed that bts has ~creative freedom~ (anymore) ? If they (still) had, they’d use their influence to spread msgs like baepsae, not just love urself uwu (considering yoongi made political pre-debut releases &interview stuff) Also, their newer releases (LY her onwards) are v much lacking in the hiphop department which (i assume) was a marketing choice. Hiphop just doesn’t sell as well to a female audience (along w the fact that vocalists are the face of BTS).

i think they still have creative input but creative freedom definitely not, but it’s debatable if they ever had it anyway? idk.. and them moving on from hip-hop was definitely both trying to change things up as well as appeal to a broader audience, love yourself era overall was an attempt to basically touch as many people as possible, i don’t mind them changing their musical direction but what has bothered me was the loss of their involvement (because it is less)

Anonymous said:I totally agree with you about BTS losing their originality. I’m almost starting to get annoyed of them. Now bc they know people love their music for its topics such as mental health, etc I almost feel like they’re thinking that they’re obliged to constantly write music that only has a “social” message. I did not like Idol at all. It was pretty tacky and the idea of loving yourself seemed so forced in the lyrics. I want them to make songs about whatever they want at that moment. (1/?)

Anonymous said:Also every fan keeps saying the same thing about them being unfiltered when actually they’ve become SO filtered now. They’ve almost created this illusion of being super open with us when actually we barely know anything about them. I don’t mind that but I hate how they’re touting that as something that applies to them. Honestly most fans now are the bandwagon type and the fandom is starting to feel more like a cult versus a community like it used to. (2/2)

i don’t know if i ever talked about them losing their originality? because originality is debatable in this case too, if you mean their original intention then yes i agree with that, and i agree they definitely created the illusion, once i got out of the bts bubble a bit and also thought back to the old days, i realized how closed off and filtered everything is comparison to the past and even to other kpop groups nowadays that are way more direct, i feel like even exo is more outspoken these days and direct with their fans which i thought could never happen??? i used to stan them and it was hell hah.. and these days.. wowza..

Anonymous said:Fuck yesss we need new yoongi mixtape and i agree abt what you said i wish bts could read that and be like okay guys i think they are right we have done some questionable things and shit has to be addressed whether we like it or not and just fucking do so. Some fans will drop but some would drop anyway bc it is getting out of hand i would never want to call bts problematic bc shit i cannot imagine that being true but them supporting problematic people is kind of making them ones

i just feel like nothing will change because bang pd is too greedy.. he really is eyeing like building a global empire with all the business deals he has been making.. also bts have done plenty “problematic” things themselves, though not to that extent, but some of their actions have hurt a lot of people too, but it depends on what bothers you, i find colorism and things like that a problem, but ofc definitely different thing than pedophilia and such, i just meant to say that nobody is perfect

Anonymous said:Do you ever just wanna randomly bump into bts and be like “hey lets talk!” And then tell them about all these issues and fandom drama and just tell them to wake the hell up? Cos I do haha

well even if we bumped into them, most of them wouldn’t talk to you so dkajsdka

Anonymous said:i agree with everything you have said but what bothers me is he is a co produce of produce 48 and nobody really complained about it even though he is know for sexualizing minors... or did i miss something?? also i feel sorry for you getting hate you were just saying your opinion and people should start to accept some facts! it's not the first time bighit did something questionable ://

oh but actually when that was announced there was backlash? i remember seeing complaints about the producer as well as some of the trainees due to their supposed right wing associations, there were also complaints about women’s rights cause of the oversexualization of some of the girls back in japan and the producer’s lyrics, i think this backlash seems bigger or more visible to you because it’s happening in your fandom ;; that season of produce even ended up having the lowest rankings and voting participation so :/

Anonymous said:I have three words to describe the part of the fandom that blindly accepts all the things, even the problematic ones, BTS do. 'Situationally woke cult'.

that fits perfectly

Anonymous said:i rly appreciate sou voicing your thoughts even if they r not in essay form or refined for days. I agree with you on many things but at the same time it's not as disappointing to me bc I guess I never held them to high standards. like in the beginning I could kinda imagine that they were somewhat sincere (but still remained sceptical) but the more they got famous the more I accepted that that sincerity and authenticity would stop bc that's just the kind of business that kpop is... (♤)

Anonymous said:like it's an inherently dishonest industry. they sell an image just like everyone else, and at best(!!) they were as real as possible with us in the beginning. no doubt they wanted to be different from everyone else and it was easier as long as not that many people gave a fuck about them. but as soon as they started to this chance was over. so i guess what I'm saying is that my view didn't change and I'm not surprised, because I never really bought what they were trying to sell...(♤)

Anonymous said:I still love them, theyre likeable & adorable boys. but theyre not changing the world. they're not in the right kind of industry for that. they love their luxury expensive stuff & the glamour of it all & that's okay. I just take every concept the whip out w/ a grain of salt & a knowing smile & enjoy the entertainment. that's just my own two cents that nobody in the fandom wants to hear so I'm bothering u. & its not an analysis or anything just what is on top of my mind while watching TV lol (♤)

Anonymous said:(♤) oh ps. except for that whole controversial stuff with that misogynist jpn songwriter and supreme boy and what not. I take that seriously , I wont act as if that's just a cute quirk. but they're men so I didn't expect much lmaoo. I knew that those kind of disappointments are just part of the deal ever since I learned that jimin (a whole cutie pie and my ultimate bias) stans chris brown. definitely would kick jm in the shin for that if I ever got to meet him. at least keep it to yourself lol.

haha i wish you didn’t start this with a backhanded compliment but dkajsd yeah overall i see your point and agree... i understand like if you didn’t buy into that whole spiel, then of course you can just keep on going and stanning them as idols and all that comes with that, but many people and me included sincerely thought that they were different, i have stopped stanning kpop groups for a while and got drawn back in with bts because i felt they were so fresh and unique, genuine and open with fans in comparison to other groups i have stanned.. but ofc that image crumbled as time went on.. things have changed as well... and i agree, it’s fine to enjoy it for just the entertainment and like the boys as people, accepting they are just as any other idol.. and maybe i will continue with that perspective myself!! but i honestly find it difficult having believed in it and also bighit continually selling this image to their fans despite evidence of the contrary, i can deal with idol business but like continually being blatantly lied to and then being in a fandom where most of the rhetoric is build around blindly believing it and eating anything the boys and bighit sells? it’s honestly emotionally exhausting sometimes.. but yeah.. you’re honestly right.. even with the last point lol... they are men, and korean men at that sigh.. that’s why i’m burying myself in girl groups nowadays adkjsd to heal my soul

Anonymous said:Hope you have a wonderful day filled with only good things ❤ - the cutest person in the world

thank you so so so so much! you have a wonderful day too ♥ cutie

Anonymous said:simple question, not loaded at all, no wrong answer, the honest answer is the right answer- yaddah yaddah you get it -what do you think bangtan is lying about and what exactly are you saying overall? i just need the language simplified for my 3 braincells :) if i do get what you're saying - whether the actual members of bts are real or not, their message is. "dont let anyone tell you what to do" "live your own life and not a borrowed dream" "life is a marathon, not a race - go your own pace"etc

you can read this post as well as the tags to it to see some of the examples, i mean i have been saying lots of things so i don’t know what exactly you want me to clarify? i think their message is compromised when their actions contradict it, whether it’s their actions or bighit’s is up to debate, like i was talking about in the post though, you can’t have things both ways, can’t hail the boys as woke independent kings while propagating the idea that they are just the company’s pawns at the same time, if you accept their authenticity isn’t there then ofc it’s a different argument, and the things you have listed there may be true, but isn’t is soured knowing they are just things that are said in order to sell bangtan as a product to you? to me they are

Anonymous said:I'm not gonna disagree but I like to see all the sides of a story. Bang pd is their boss, bts made a contract with him, he will ALWAYS have the last word on, well, everything they put out. We like to think that bc bts has creative freedom they can do whatever they want, well obviously they can't. Even if bts wanted to talk more about issues and not work w bad ppl, bang pd wants them to succeed, he wants to make money bc it's his business and bts is the only thing bringing money to it.

i get this argument a lot and to that i will answer again this and this, i don’t understand what your point is exactly though, so you are saying bts are pawns that have to do as they ceo says, yes and? i am criticizing the decision he has made? i’m criticizing that what he cares about the most is money? that he will stop at nothing to widen his wealth and influence? i will not support bts cooperating with vile people just because it wasn’t -completely their decision-, i’m sorry i’m really struggling to see what your point is about the other side of the story, it’s a shitty situation and if they all go through with it, it be greatly disappointing

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toffee!

ah yeah i suppose ur right. yeah i think quarentine has had that sort of effect on a lot of people :( sorry to hear abt ur strict parents, hopefully ur friend will be able to come back soon. small outings (even with family) are still good tho, make sure ur taking care of urself toff.

youre totally right! ah yes thats good advice (/gen) ill try and use that when im in a slump ty. any music suggestions?

lol sames. even some of the stuff abt seungmin, innie etc is a little uncomfortable, like theyre grown ass men for sure, but at the same time, theyre still young, still just over being a teenager in the grand scheme of things. (on that note, i do struggle with worrying that im infantalising them, obviously theyre adults but at the same time, theyre still young. i do treat all fictional characters as my children, but i guess its different when its real people. idk. what do you think?) yeah some stans rlly need to take a chill pill, some are rlly walking the wire between 'ah theyre attractive/that look rlly suits them' and making fucking smut fics abt minors, like... they do not see a problem with that?? yeah tbh i feel like unless theyre 18 they shouldnt be put into the spotlight, weve seen what it does to peoples mental health, but modern day kpop industry is a lot like old hollywood with a lot of popular child actors -_- hopefully the big companies will learn but i agree, its unlikely

suuuuure toff haha. ill go searching for them, but idk if ill be able to find the fluff needle in the angst haystack (jkjk) yeah, fair i groan and complain but you do write angst etc rlly well, so if its what ur comfortable with, then pls continue, it is one of your strong suits, well as you write fluff aside

ah okay good! ill continue to send you essays then

THE ALBUM YES. so ive been looking forward to it for literally months, this is actually my first skz album release as a stay (since the last on was 9 months ago) i was sitting there hitting refresh on my spotify the second 6pm kst came around. (speaking of which, how did you do the release? i couldnt decide whether to watch or listen first but i ended up on listening cos there would be more material) okay: so cheese was super cool, very skz ya know? tho i almost wish theyd made domino the title track, tho obv it was a more experimental track and would have been a bit controversial (much like whistle for bp) i looooved domino and thunderous was absolutely impeccable. all the songs were amazing but standouts were- secrets, secrets which lowkey made me tear up idk why, red lights which almost killed me (it did not have to go that hard, but it did) and OT8 WOLFGANG omgggg i wasnt sure if hyunjin was going to be included in it but i was hoping and, ya know people had said hed be in there, but the further i got in, the less i was sure and then BAM hyunjin started what had been jisung's part and i just sat there grinning for about 5 minutes. surfin was absolutely adorable and gone away almost made me cry AGAIN. star lost was so touching, almost a nod to hyunjins little star? silent cry was relatable beyond anything. SSICK was funny? for some reason I was laughing while it was playing, idk the combination of added cheering and minhos aggressiveness and the totall seriousness they sung it. but i rlly enjoyed it. sorry i love you showcased their vocals like nothing else. the view is THE BOP of 2021, absolutely going to be stuck in my head for the next decade, that hook is genius. what did you think?

also did you watch their grow up performance? with all the stays and ALL THE TEARS? ;n; i feel like this is the end of an era of skz and tbh im kinda happy but also sad. super excited for their promotions but super bummed they wont get to tour. ah well

<3 w.a. 🐺

answer under the cut bc i gave an equally long answer to this already long ask HAJSH

oh yeah, abt quarantine having an effect. my friend and i talked about this earlier actually. i didn't realize the world was moving so fast until the pandemic happened. being in quarantine gave me time to think and i got to know myself more. it's just the sole good thing i got out of the isolation lmao. and abt my strict parents, ironically i got to go out today so i got to hang out with a few of my bestfriends. i had fun but my legs are a bit sore from walking. but they're a different set of friends. i'll get to hang out with the others when my getaway driver comes home in december.

hmm music recommendations for writing? depends on the plot you're writing. care to share what story you're working on and i'll try to rake my brain for a song that might match the vibe. i listen to classical / lo-fi if i don't have song inspo for a fic because lyrics sometimes distract me.

i don't think that's infantilizing tho. for me, it has something to do with my environment and the way i was raised. maybe it's the same the other way around? like this certain age (for the ones above 18 but below 20) is thirst-able for them. idk really. it's just not for me ?n? what i do NOT condone is writing smut for minors??? like get checked : D // i agree with everything with the idols being 18+ before they debut simply because it's for the best for their well-being like. how can young idols decide that this shit is the thing they want to do for life? or at least until their contracts last. idk :// it's unfortunate that it's unlikely to happen.

WELL. i have a list so you won't have to go search for them! in class (minho), in the rain (seungmin), gladius maximus (chan) and you've read five star already. and i just realized that most, if not all, of my upcoming fics are fluffs and i'm fond of all of them :D i used to focus a lot on angst because fluff disgusted the living shit out of me. i think things changed when i wrote champagne problems and hurt myself so bad i wanted to drop angst entirely. i didn't, of course, but i allowed myself to be self-indulgent now.

for the release of the album, i was on twt and watched the vid at 12 views (if i remember correctly, i watched back door at 14 so HASJH) i’m gonna talk by track so it wont be too confusing? bc i wrote this in paragraph format and it just ???? beware im very picky with tracks even if they’re my ults. so no offense if we have opposing opinions and i’m not fond of reading lyrics so these are all music wise.

cheese - oh god i hated cheese at first listen but it grew on me easily. i was singing the yeahyeahyeahyeah bit all day today :D

thunderous - i cant say that it’s my favorite title track. it felt really dry sometimes, both mv and music wise. but at the same time, it’s not that bad. the choreography carried the song tho o.O it’s so fucking cool. but like go live, another track has my heart and it’s

domino - AND YES I AGREE THAT THEY SHOULDVE MADE DOMINO TITLE TRACK UGHHHHH WHAT A WASTED FUCKING OPPORTUNITY. WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS HOW FOND I AM OF THIS SONG. it stands close to the level i love easy.

ssick - was a skip on first listen too because i found the chorus underwhelming but it grew on me? not that much but i can bear listening to it.

the view - it’s something the gen public like, hence its something i dislike. im not fond of songs that are structured like this? it’s not a bad song, just not the type of song i like. but i agree that the hook is very not catchy but it would get stuck in ur head.

sorry, i love you - it’s not as sad as i expected but i actually like it??? i can’t wait to write a fic out of it (1) HAJSHAJ it’s like a 3/5 for me. it’s angsty but chill?

silent cry - i’m pissed at this song bc it hits but sometimes it doesn’t?@?#!? but it’s starting to grow on me but definitely not my fave track.

secret secret - glad i found a secret secret enthusiast because my irls thought it was a skip?$?#@$? it gives me ikon vibes and i’m a huge fan of ikon’s discog so this was a win for me T_T +

STAR LOST - gives me bigbang song vibes and now im very sad :(( in case u didnt know, i’m a hUGE yg fan and 2ne1/bigbang introduced me to kpop so when i heard this track that gave me yg feels i just <3___<3 and it’s one of my favorite tracks anw moving on,

red lights - I WANT TO SKIP THE FIRST TEN SECONDS OF RED LIGHTS EVERY TIME IT PLAYS LIKE IT MAKES ME FEEL AWKWARD KDSJFSK but fine. i’m adding this to props and mayhem’s playlist LMAO it’s more aggressive than sexc tho. more enemies to lovers o. O

surfin’ - this coming right after red lights just wasn’t the best decision arrangement wise because how did we go from ooh sexc to aigh pARTAY. felix saying sheesh T___T it’s such a fun song i want to go to the beach ;n; do you like beaches?

gone away - i have yet to read the lyrics because i’m using this as inspo for a jeongin fic jskjash it’s not the type of ballad i like but it’s so fucking sad to listen to :’ ) the pitch change caught me off guard? still does. it’ll grow on me prolly.

wolfgang - I YELLED WHEN I HEARD HYUNJIN IN WOLFGANG. i didn’t like this song until recently. it gives me the confidence boost i need to pick myself off self-esteem crashes.

and no i haven't watched that performance and i prolly wont because i’ll cry. i’m excited for the promotions too. do you think they’ll still have a repackage?? i cant fucking believe that i just finished waiting for 12am kst for skz teasers and now i have to look forward to 12am for nct 127??@?#? NOT A SINGLE DAY OF REST FOR THIS STAYZEN

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Gonna delete this in about 48 hours *maybe*

Fair warning: this is a lengthy rant about something that pisses me off a bit...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1753193418319461&id=1493269540978518

This video has surfaced again. Now, when I say again, I am well aware that it is not the same one I saw almost 7 years ago, but the same message is behind it.

TL:DW video summary: kpop idols are slaves and kpop is bad yada yada.

The articals in the video are pretty old, about 5-7 years ago a simlar video came out mentioning a lot of the same points and while the fan culture (sasaeng and anti heres looking at you because no way on gods earth will I ever categorize you as a fan.) is still an absolute shit show sometimes, **and yes, the video is about the BAD of the industry, because we know plenty of amazing things fans have done**

But a lot of this shit was from back when the industry was bad. A lot of newer kpop fans are mentioning one particular band/agency that seems to be fine, but they themselves were just after a loooooot of this crap was this bad. Bands like SHINee, Super Junior and SHINHWA went through a lot of this, and there are many bands that never made it past this point. As someone who has been into the world of kpop for nearly a decade I do remember a time when idols had to perform no matter what their condition was.

Many lawsuits later things started getting better. It took a very very long time to get better.

In terms of limited creativity: there is a very good reason for that (at the time). Kpop is competitive so if the agency puts all this time/money/effort into training you only to see you flop because your original stuff wasn't up to the markets demands, then that's a lot of EVERYONES time down the drain; the idols, agency, promoters etc. Once a band is established and has a better following, that's when the agencies give them more creative liberary.

Think about it. One band that people keep mentioning is BTS. How many of these people heard of them before the last few years? I had heard their name like, once in a video by a couple of youtubers a while ago, but they never made an inpact for this many people until 2017. Look back to their early years! They couldn't do much because of major monetary issues and having almost no budget. Would an agency that young and financially unstable risk that much time and effort on completely original ideas? Probably not.

So yes, kpop is a heavily manufactured industry.

On that note as well, plastic surgery.

Plastic surgery is hugely common in Korea, so while idols do tend to undergo work, (and yes, back in the early years it was likely not voluntary or optional) it's still fairly common for the average person, male or female, to have work done too. Yes it might not be to the same extremes that idols do, but little things here and there like nose or chin are common. To a culture that frowns on plastic surgery this seems like a way horrible thing to put people through and to a culture that doesn't like it, it's easy to say that it's a bad thing to do.

Something sort of worth mentioning about kpop though: it is more than music in this indusrty. It's also a heavily visual industry as well... Hence why there is so much stress put on appearance. Because of how many groups are being pushed out a year, and how many new and younger members of groups are being pushed out, it's easy for groups to be forgotten or for them to drop off the market all together.

But yeah.. The industry is still a crazy one, but that's part of the way this particular portion of the music industry is. This branch has always been extream, but it has mellowed out a fuck ton in the past decade.

Yes sasaengs are crazy, but they are equivalent to stalkers, just under a differnet name and a lot more extream.. And they will always be around. Just don't take anything from crazies and if you do, throw it out if it's food or beverage. (there's a reason that people are not encouraged to bring idols food and drinks anymore, even though they do still)

Anyways. Rant over.

[neonwizardheehee]

Dynamite Seokjin thoughts

soooo as you know bts cb happened and I just want to get my thoughts out of my system so here goes my pressed ass: (my thoughts are a mess and so will this post be)

y’know that I was already annoyed to begin with. bts is so overhyped in my opinion which prob is caused that sometimes only bts is known around me and... i don’t like mainstream :’) and bc while they make super good music armys “only bts” agenda is not to my multistan liking.... so I apologize for being such an ass. and i still don’t know if i should be sad that I deleted most bts songs from my playlist bc imo their songs are so good hahaha

anyways: the cb came and I watched it 2h after release with my friends who are v and jk biased. tbh bc of my pettiness I didn’t watch the teasers and didn’t believe in their retro/newtro concept - altho we all know how much of a sucker I am for retro and 70s (yeah I was THAT pressed and annoyed and feel sorry).

So this def got me in the mv, also jk’s scene was SO SOOO good like... his room, the posters, his style and DID I MENTION HIS STYLE, HAIR AND VISUALS? (y’all know how hard that is for me to say but can’t deny that he’s cool ksksksks) also as usual I really vibed with hobi and rm and tae wrecked me, so I was happy for that hasn’t changed :D

in the end instead of being happy and enjoying the mv and the upbeat song... i was sad. jin didn’t have a solo scene and barely lines....again. i was so happy to see him in center position tho but no solo scene kind of fucked me up (also bc YES i love the retro concept and i was so curious what scenery he’d get - i mean barista jin come on XD). so yeah i was just mad at this point and my friends were happily vibing bc their biases fucking SLAYED (i mean THAT GREEN SUIT AHHHHHHHHHH) and then u had me who was emo. boi it was embarrassing :((( i am not proud of myself and mad at myself for ruining it for them bc the mv was so cool T.T

so yeah that bothered me and I was like “y’know what fuck bts I just.... UGH” and ignored everything pretty much (yeah I muted my twt armys even tho we’re irl friends.... that’s so sad v.v). 

today I had a change of mind tho: i checked the twt trends and was like “oh the remixes are up” (side note: yesterday elfs were so smug about kyuhyun claiming genie’s top 1 spot in the charts and i was so evil happy and BOI that it NOT HEALTHY AT ALL) so anyways it was trending and when i scrolled down i found that “BTS is 7″ is also trending. apparently seokjin was cut out from the edm remix (hobi too?) and seeing ppl being pressed and mad at bighit somehoe hit me (hahaha). I listened to the edm remix and.... boi the beat is GOOD and actually to my liking (bc yes dynamite is a bit too soft for me to hear often and like from the first listen). and to my suprise I didn’t search the song for seokjin or anything.. i was just VIBING and enjoying it SO SO much - it didn’t matter that he was not in the song :DDD bc the song is just that good and i want to listen to it :D (ironically I was into bts actually bc of their music and not through variety shows or looks like suju or my other bands hahahha)

then I thought about how seokjin is not in some bts stuf... just the same as heechul. I know heechul’s reasons (now) and understand that and ofc i am sad to not see him with suju.. i still accept it and still like suju and their music. regardless whether heechul is in the song (i mean i LOVE 2YA2YAO so much and boi doesn’t even have a single line!)

so maybe i should treat it the same way for seokjin. instead of being emo that he’s not as often seen as other members and has fewer opportunities and whatnot.... i still love him and bts still makes good music (I mean let’s be real from the voices rm and v do it for me not jin o.O) - y’know the other members are still amazing af and i can appreciate all 7 by now (big achievement for me here) - it’s ANNOYING to be a pressed solo stan... which i unfortunately turned one :(

my conclusion was shorter than expected but yeah... i should be happy for the jin content I get and also still enjoy the bts stuff (i mean ffs he’ll go to the military soon so I will have quite a few cb’s without his wonderful face anyway) and as I said I should be used to having a bias who’s not with his group rn.

seeing heechul and suju’s manager on omniscient manager did that for me. even the manager didn’t seen him and heechul wasn’t with his members for half a year!!!! that sounds so unbelievable but it’s the sad truth. life evolves and teh industry is shit (obv) - so why did I think that bts would be different? bighit is as greedy and money-orientated as sm. so why am I only mad at bighit and not sm? bc I just accepted it with sm and focus on the positives instead of how often they “mistreated” sb. 

i should be happy for seokjin to be with bts and see him and being all smiles bc i now know how much it hurts when ur fav just... vanishes. and also bc of all the hate petals got after the dating news from every side together with the suju antis (who ofc are often armys) i saw some ugly sides of kpop. and let my opinions be based on what i saw on the internet instead of real people (side effect of the lockdown bc i know my irl army friends are not like that ..but i made them like that in my head which is AWFUL AF!!). so yeah just bc I am a sad emo stan bc my biases are having hard times.... i should cherish the others hyping theirs even more and also cherish the moments i get - bc they still are there!! i mean CENTER JIN IN DYNAMITE!!!! that’s also not smth a seokjin stan like me is used to XD and its the same as HEECHUL WAS SEEN FOR 2S IN THE 2YA2YAO MV XD 

so yeah big apology here to everyone and esp armys and my friends. I know I’m annoying and u were such a support but i was just... pressed... i hope u can forgive me