#also i understand it's the best song on the album but idk about ppl saying cryptozoology as a single. doesn't totally defeat

[therevengeoffrankenstein]

openly weeping at the idea of someone genuinely hating soul punk.

[dearweirdme]

I feel like ppl have been hearing what they want in both Tae and Jk’s and Tae’s words and twisting it in their minds to fit what they want. I would advise ppl to read multiple translations to get the best idea of what they’re saying because Korean is very much contextual so a translator adds context sometimes to help ppl understand but that’s not always a translation of what was said.

Now, Jk didn’t contradict anything Tae said because Tae never said he recorded the final album at Jk’s house he actually mentioned it was the guides to some of the songs and that’s where jk directed him.

There’s no real indication Jk and Jimin were together during Chuseok other than the fact that Jk said he saw his parents we don’t know whether he went to Busan or they went to Seoul and as far as that pic Jimin posted we do not know whether that’s in Korea or NY Brit’s just the sails of a boat it’s not something that’s exclusive to Korea go do a reverse image search on that pic and it’ll lead you to pics of ship yards and boat docks idk why ppl assume that they’re wouldn’t be sailing yachts in NY and Connecticut where they were just because you didn’t see one in the few pics and videos that were posted.

Also Jk was not addressing that video when he said he’s not innocent he’s talking about the ppl thinking he’s a baby and too young for the explicitness of his songs like he’s been saying for a while now he’s trying to stress that he’s an adult not talking about some video that at best is fake or at worst a gross invasion of his privacy.

Hi anon!

Yes, a good summation of what I feel is going on as well.

[parkminijiminie]

Why did i not found you before like why am i finding out you now...we agree on many things. Infact you're the only one who agreed on with me over those two points of jungkook not knowing jm's schedule of music show nd all..

Anyways, another situation for me was during festa when jk said why did jm not played his songs for jk yet but hoba already Heard it nd then jm said "i asked you and everyone to come see me work" now this might not be a big deal for others but i personally find it a bit odd for people who are dating.

See first things first is jm is shy about showing his artistry to others (members said it in festa too) so when he's actually asking you how do you not go? I understand about other members cause they're frnds but jk if we're considering him jm's bf here don't you think it's odd that he didn't heard any of jm's song that time? He didn't go even when jm asked them to? The deal here is they both work at the same comapny so you tell me how hard it is for jk to go nd see jm work on his songs for ONCE? Even hoba saw it cause he was at the comapny so why was it hard for jk? Then he kind of was upset that he didn't heard any of jm's song. He like said it 4 times that he's upset. I know he was smiling but i genuinely think he again felt left out cause again he's close to jm so when your other frnd knows more about your besties (in this case BF if we're considering them in a relationship) than you, you definitely feel betrayed the fact that he actually asked jm to say sorry to him nd jm immediately said sorry too. At that time all jkkrs took it as jk not actually being upset nd some thought he already heard them but is just teasing but honestly i did felt like he felt like "why am i not one of the ppl who heard your songs, I AM close to you" and then he asked jm to say sorry so i felt that.

Another is jungkook not going to any of jm's music shows when he was not doing anything at all like he was on rest doing some barbeque tour. But he went for the movie premiere with tae's frnds to show support like i honestly felt sad at that time cause jimin literally personally asked jk to come more often but seems like jk didn't go. I as a jm biased person knows that jm values such things so much like his face was so radiant when hobi visited him. Hobi went to jm's MV set, jm said he's feeling nervous without his memebrs on first music show nd boom on next music show hobi was right there. Jm was soo so happy like i felt it through that hug jm gave to hobi.

I felt bad cause if jungkook can go to wooga squad's member's (they seems frnds now) movie premiere to show support to him even when at that time he was busy working on his projects (he said it himself that he's busy on his album on one of his lives prior to this movie premiere) can't he go to atleast one music show? Idk this feeling never went away i don't care how many excuses anyone come up with for this.

Many jkkrs said that so what jk still supported him online and a support is support nd jm was still happy but my point is it's still makes difference of some being physically there to support you vs someone supporting you from afar. A friend will wish you on your birthday on phone while a best friend will be there physically be there with you to celebrate with you when circumstances clearly allows them to.

There's one for jk's birthday too which I'll share later.

And so so sorry for ranting in your page but also thank you for taking your time and responding.

I'm glad we agree on things. You couldn't have found me because I was inactive for 5 years and will probably be inactive soon again. I'm pretty busy in real life but now I have a break for a few months, that's why I'm here. And honestly, this rumour about JK was tok big for me to ignore and I needed to discuss it with someone.

You're giving me a new perspective on Festa 2022. When it happened, I kinda took it like this: Hobi heard JM's songs because he was available at the time. Namjoon even teased them about him beinf Jimin's number 1 fan. JK felt jealous over the fact others have heard the songs before him and also over Namjoon's comment and JK loudly protesting (RM even looked at him when he said it, and JM also looked at JK when saying this isn't the reason). It completely flew over my mind that JM said he invited everyone, meaning he also invited JK but he didn't come. In this context, Jk being upset about it and Jimin apologizing does give more "besties" than boyfriend.

About the movie premiere. I still find it so odd that JK went to that. Sure, he hangs out with Tae's friend but they don't seem that close and JK doesn't strike me as the type to love this public events, when it isn't necessary. At the time, I thought maybe he was feeling down so Tae brought him to cheer him up, but a previous Anon said something interesting. There seem to be a rumour that JK's girlfriend or one of his girls is a friend to Jennie. If it is true, could she being there be a reason for him to go?

[thedissociatives]

10 songs 10 people ! tagged by @whitenikes thnx :) hope i got this right (also i definitely do not have 10 ppl to tag lol but i'll try to get as close to that as i can)

without me by eminem - used to listen to this whole album in the car with my mum all the time when i was like 3 lol one of my fav songs that she showed me

stuck in the middle with you by stealers wheel - have had this stuck in my head for like a month it's so bad. do not even need to say where i first heard it we all know

love from the other side by fall out boy - was so hyped for this to come out cuz i knew it meant a new album and it did not disappoint ! fav fob song they've released since ab/ap cannot wait for the album

don't dream it's over by crowded house - yeah yeah yeah i get half my music taste from films and tv what about it. heard it on the americans in october when i watched like the whole show in a month and now it's on most of my playlists

break by fugazi - one of my fav songs when i was 14 that i rediscovered recently. don't have the best memories tied to it but now i can create new ones w it instead :) cuz i haven't rlly listened to much of em the past few years and i can't let a bad time stop me from enjoying music i like

i can tell there was an accident here earlier by saosin - my all time fav band and their fav song of mine ! remember having to go on youtube for ages to listen to it before they put it on spotify. ngl the demo sounds way better the vibes just aren't quite the same on the spotify version

bathroom light by mt joy - i guess i couldn't escape the nolan patrickification of hockeytwt haha i do rlly like them now tho (want to see them when they play london next summer but 1. it's the day after my exams finish and i'll be too tired and 2. i don't have anyone to go with)

one way or another by blondie - mean girls my beloved <3 sorry to literally everyone but that's where i first heard this song. the soundtrack of that film is so good tho i'm glad this is on it otherwise idk how i would've found it

я сошла с ума by tatu - poppy's cover of the english version of this song is one of the best covers out there imo but nothing beats the original. it hits so different in russian too even though i don't understand most of it (but the bits that i do ? omg)

i hear you calling by gob - think this song is on an old chel soundtrack which is cool. one of the many bands i got into through looking at old tour posters (eternally grateful i figured out i could do that when i was 12 i've found so many good bands this way). this whole album is fuckin amazing but the guitar riff in this song is soo nice. always gets stuck in my head

(@smolpieceoftoast @memphisbelle @fagdeniro @fiftysecondstreet @emuchipmunk @rocket-eighty-eight plus like. anyone else who wants to do this)

[virtuangel]

miwwi is heeeere hiiiiii i'm bringing u a wine glass and alsoooo crabby crabs with numbers . 8, 12, 14 (hehe), 19, 20 !

ewiiiiiiiii hiiiiiiiiiiii i love when we share beverages <3

8. favourite album?

!!!!!!!!!!!! season 2 hideout the new day we step into i love you i miss you you will always and forever be the one. season 2 she's everything to me just overall... i remember playing her literally all the time like i'd be cooking i wld put her on i was on call with my best friend? yeah that's also a perfect time to play season 2 in the background. she's so important to me. i listened to flame an insane amount of times. and i haven't gotten tired of her. she's everything to me. sunrise and realize are SUCH important songs like technically realize is the one that's this album's hideout song (and thus my favourite, as the trend goes with stay and call my name), but sunrise is like. almost one? like the vibe's there, u know... and they're both two of my most favouritestest vity songs (alongside the other hideout songs n vvv). realize is also brina's song so that must mean something right. believer is simply INSANE and also i quote her everyday . ppl might not realize this but every single time that i say that i believe in someone, she's playing in my head. and i believe in you!!!!!! you know. like. im your believer. and all that. breathing is their best ballad it sounds so nice. i admittedly like ohh ahh & hot air balloon the least but they're still very important !! they're fun, i don't dislike them, and they're playing a very important role in keeping the balance of this album So perfect. this album has it ALL .

12. if woobin asked u to marry him would you say yes?

yeah

14. merchy merch?!

I AM A PROUD WOOKKA HAVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks to u ewi my bewoved thank u i am forever grateful. my big eared friend . so beloved. so dear . and his ears are so big

i also do own two of their albums (season 2 my everything. the perfect version the version that was made for ME specifically. forest fairy ver idk what its actually called but that & season 3 the orange ver) + the lotu photobook my most treasured possession did u know that lotu is so important to me. a semi-abandoned storyline of a kpop group can be something so personal. a purchase i've never regretted.

also wld u count this as merch i don't think it is but. i Do own one of the blackrouge velvet tints that they've modeled for (the first one) . it smells so good . eri u don't understand this tint smells so good i literally dont even use it i just open it to smell it from time to time

19. favourite choreo

i feel like this deserves a tier list honestly . party rock is probably the most them and the most engaging!! shes so fun and she makes me happy. cloud 9 too!!! but we don't give jumper enough credit i think. also knock knock is up there . also at times u can see that believer has the potential to be a s+++ choreo . shes not but she has the potential nd i thought it was important for me to point that out

20. favourite live performance

200419 jumper. i'm sure there's performances that are better or that i like better, even, but this is the only one that i actually remember at all times... i have been so insane about her ever since she first happened... shes always the one i think of when im asked this question....shes the first result when i type cravity in my navigation bar

also c-delivery bonnie & clyde ............. and call my name

[lake-cosay]

jesse & lake songs

nobody asked but here's my list of jesslake songs, minus the ones i found from the fandom which i can make a separate list of if y'all want. i'm here to validate myself lol so these are all the ones i came up with on my own (some of em are specific to just lake or just jesse and some of them make absolutely no sense to anyone else but yknow)

lake songs

Renegade by Styx

the whole song is about being on the run from the cops and in fear for your life do i really need to say much more. plus its a banger. it's one of those songs i would definitely make an animatic for if i had the patience

My Silver Lining by First Aid Kit

first aid kit has been my comfort band, if you will, for years, and i've known this song for years, but recently i actually listened to the lyrics properly (auditory processing issues who) and was like holy shit this screams lake. it's about being stuck someplace you hate and wanting to break out. i was gonna point out some of the lyrics that really stick out to me but it's just. the WHOLE song. but if i had to pick my favorite for this context, it'd be the chorus:

"i hear a voice calling / calling out for me / these shackles i've made in an attempt to be free / be it for reason, be it for love / i won't take the easy road."

(and like. there's always a chance i'm massively mis interpretting the lyrics so,,, idk lol)

jesse songs

Empty Page by The Crane Wives

yknow how at some point basically everyone in our fandom realizes "omg the b2 title 'cracked reflection' applies to jesse too because he copies the people around him!!!" it's that but in a banger song

it's also a little depressing but let jesse be sad sometimes ppl he needs catharsis too

jesse & lake songs

Rebel Heart by First Aid Kit

this one is in this section cause it fits for both of them. like it could see the lyrics being from either of their perspectives. it's also another one where its basically just the WHOLE song that i feel fits but here's some highlights:

"you told me once i had a rebel heart / i don't know if that's true / but i believe you saw something in me that lives inside you too"

"i know you truly saw me / even if just for a while / maybe that's why it hurts now / to leave it all behind"

"i don't know what it is that makes me run / that makes me wanna shatter everything that i've done / why do i keep dreaming of you? / why do i keep dreaming of you? / is it all because of my rebel heart?"

this is another one i can picture an animatic for. curse you adhd

Wait for Me from Hadestown

(i personally like either the concept album version or the nytw/live version best for them)

listen. i'm never gonna be over the parallels between jesse and lake's story and orpheus and eurydice's (in hadestown specifically, lol). obviously the chorus is the part that really fits, but it just reminds me so much of the mall car, the wasteland, and so on, of all the shit that both jesse and lake go through to get back to each other and to get home. dont touch me im emotional again

Vanilla Twilight by Owl City

"please i just want u to hold me again" the song. also it's just nostalgic for me cause owl city my beloved. reminds me of AUs where jesse can't get back on the train and is just stuck missing lake, not knowing what to do and just generally Being Depressed Now

"the silence isn't so bad / till i look at my hands and feel sad / 'cause the spaces between my fingers are right where yours fit perfectly"

"drenched in vanilla twilight / i'll sit on the front porch all night / waist deep in thought because when i think of you, i don't feel so alone"

Ribs by Lorde

this one is mostly just vibes. as far as the lyrics the most i can understand is "growing up sucks." i found the song through a connverse animatic and the connverse fandom got me into infinity train so i guess my brain connected them? but the vibes are so good.

"you're the only friend i need / sharing beds like little kids"

Little Soldiers by The Crane Wives

i almost forgot this one cause i forgot to put it on my playlist cause i hear it all the time on cd in my car. my GOD this is the most jesslake song out there i swear to god. i don't even know how to articulate it more than that. please just go listen to it

the "i swear that i loved you/i swear that you loved me" parts get to me man. holy shit.

[deantheofficial]

Dean be working hard for his comeback for years and because of this for some reason I am having high expectations.... idk. What do you think about his situation? I also heard by someone on this app that Dean is delaying his album because he is trying to lose weight, which is very saddening. But it's just like...... you know so... ya :)

truly staggering how ppl will blatantly ignore what Dean has said himself, on multiple occasions, to keep sputtering their moronic, delusional, speculative nonsense ; and by staggering I mean scary as hell, stop superimposing your own bullshit problems onto a 30yo stranger like that's wild, you aint know this man at all

not against you anon, but just whoever told you that, it's fucking gross and weird to make up shit like that my god maybe try licking stamps or smth idk get a hobby..

Dean has stated, time and time again, over the course of the past.. — idek at this point anymore — 5? 6? years, that he's been working on the album. basically ever since TRBL came out, he's been fleshing out RVNG, making and remaking songs, at times restarting the project from scratch. in addition to that, smth that I can't seem to reemphasise enough on here, he's built and has been running a company for a majority of those years and, again, said himself that the label has been taking up a lot of his time and attention, delaying the album further more. Dean's also a guy with a life yk, outside of his music and his business, I'm sure he has a lot more things going on for himself, the man's a busy guy

but he literally just shared a new song from the album with us last month! looks like a step in the right direction to me. he also said that he'll put out the album by the end of the year and, call me foolish, but I trust him. I think he wants to put out his album before leaving for his service and well, he knows more than anyone else that the noose is tightening in that regard, for a lack of better words lol it's my understanding that he has at least a couple songs ready to print so yea hopefully, he can finalise the project within the next 5 months and release it. and if not, that's fine too. I've expressed before how I would never want him to out material that he doesn't feel satisfied with, and that still stands even if that means another 2 years spent in waiting. I've been waiting all this time, I ain't abt to stop now

I can't say this enough but he knows best when it comes to making good music so you just gotta trust the man, trust the process yk that's all there is to it

[aphrodite1288]

This is not about kadi so if you don't want to answer I would understand. Have you ever had information that surprised you? Something you can't believe? Related to kpop idols, actors or ent industry?

That Jongdae didn't want to have a child at this young age and in the beginning of his Solo career! But once it happened he was so accepting and so understanding! He married his GF becoz he loved her and accepted her pregnancy with open arms even though that brought him so much hate! But he protected her and never let the bad words reach her he is a shield to her and his baby 🍼 But the baby was not planned! when the girl is born he loved her with all his heart and she is so spoiled i saw her she is so cute and has Jongdae's lips 👄. I recently saw Jongdae's footage with his wife and daughter at Apujongreodo entering the mall, he was holding his baby and his wife was holding the baby bag! And they went shopping and got back into his fancy black car.

All Exo members are smoking some stopped but most of them not!

That Sehun is not a happy person and he has more dark thoughts that what y'all see. He hasn't had the best childhood like yall thought. I won't say more i don't want to interfere his private life and expose it. So please Love him and give him a lot of support! He is lovely and he thinks he is useless in the band and members always cheer him up but he needs to hear it from his fans! That's why he is working harder and attending vocalization lessons with Baekhyun and chanyeol's voice tuning teacher and y'all can tell his singing skills has improved from the DFTF ALBUM!!! PLEASE GIVE HIM LOTS OF LOVE!, He is working hard for his fans to be proud of him! He needs reassurance!

That BAEKHYUN is so attached to ExoL! He is so scared of losing them and being forgotten when he comes back from military. He has these doubts and he talked about it with everyone he knew! Even His Fans! Yes he calls his fans and talks to them!

That BAEKHYUN often calls his fansites' masternims and fans he trusts and they chit-chat a lot!! He is close with them!! He asks them about everything related to Exo if they enjoyed the albums, the songs, his Solo etc.. he asks them if he should improve on something, he asks them to tell him if he lacks something in his latest performances! He even calls his fans to chitchat for hours about what content he should post on youtube ! He asks his closest fans to check what other Exol want him to do! And if they're satisfied with his hard work! And if he made the proud ! He discusses everything that bothers him with some of his fansites and trustworthy fans! ALSO He talks to fans about their struggles and he cheers them up! And buys them gifts during their birthdays yes he remembers their bdays!

That BAEKHYUN loaned money to a fan when she called him saying she needed money! He even paid surgery for a fan!

Sehun often pays meals for Exol secretly before leaving the restaurants or Coffee shops especially when he couldn't sign for them !

That Seungri wasn't the one to be blamed in the burning sun but all evidence was against him and he was played ( I don't know abt this, i don't defend any man who assaulted women as a feminist myself i can't come to terms with believing this but i saw a lot of ppl saying it!)

That BP members are jealous of Jen for getting all the brands and the commercials, which YG ent solved and started distributing solo projects to the other members and asking sponsors to not only focus on Jen and suggesting them the other members! Now we see other members promoting for famous fashion, cosmetics, sports and make up brands, while before, they were jobless and only Jenn who was getting all the money and roles and brands and was the only member active for two years 2018/2019 and even the first one and the yongest to have the earliest solo debut only after 2 years of debuting with her band, i mean a rookie shouldn't get a solo until they skill their singing and acting! But Jenn's potential was big and she has tons of fans that's why YG wanted money so took advantage of her epitome fame to debut her to get cash🤑💰 Jenn didn't like her members being left out and she talked to them about this a lot. This subject of members being jelaous of her bothered her and at a certain period caused their dinamics to go down in the band. She saw them changing and she saved the issue from getting worse by talking to YG coz she truly loved her members.

Jenn is more perverted than what ppl think, she knows a lot of guys and she is very loved by everyone. She is Nice! But she is not innocent! SHE DATES A LOT! ONLY HOT and Tall wealthy GUYS ! MODELS and ULZZANGS! Her mom and dad are in the industry that's why she gets everything she wants and she does work hard for it though! But the opportunities mostly come at her through her parents ! She is very spoiled baby girl.

Kaistal are close friends i mean i saw their pics together and they're still friends and they're still talking and Ji supported her so much when she left SM also he is still supporting her Solo career as an actress now, he texts her to support her works and to give her his opinions, Krystal trusts him a lot he protected her and helped her a lot before! 🤷🏻‍♀️

Ksoo hid his relationship with Ji from his Fam for a long time??

Kaisoo kissed during a truth or dare game when Ji lost and had to kiss Kyungsoo on the lips and Ksoo didn't object it was from before debut! I guess that's when the members knew they were in love?? I don't know abt this! I'm not sure. But it's a possible probability.

Chanbaek did kiss but it was not during a truth or dare game, it was Chanyeol who shocked Baekhyun by kissing him on the lips to shush him down 🤫

Chanbaek living together coz baek is a clean freak and can't stay with many ppl in one place he is a private introvert who loves to stay alone and play videogames! And chanyeol granted him this wish and invited him to live in his house for 2years or more i don't remember 🤷🏻‍♀️

SUHO dated Two members of Apink

Jongdae dated one member of Apink!

Exo are so so close with APink!

Luhan had a crush on Chorong from APink!

Sehun is close with Oh Hayong of Apink! Coz they have the same last name!! He is still close to her and supports her a lot, she is close with Suho too! And all other APink members! Sehun is also close to Gugudan.

Taeyeon loved Baekhyun truly and their breakup left a scar on her heart! She hates men now hahaha I hope she gets to find the love of her life she deserves happiness please give her much support! I want her to be dating Ravi he is a softie and will treat her well!

Yeri of RV is a playgirl she is so bold and asks guys out when she likes them! I love her for that! Girl power! But she is so nice!!!

A lot of news about BTS their Gfs their Exes with Pictures and all their dating history, their toxic company overworking them etc... But I'm not too interested in BTS these things came to me I didn't ask for them🤷🏻‍♀️ lucky? IDK maybe.

And many many many more things. I just can't list everything

I don't know if I answered your question! But that's all that came to my mind! Some things may not be too shocking it surprising or unbelievable like you asked but still they're precious secrets and gave them to y'all for free!

[awsugar]

okay bro, important question for you. I'm curious about your favorite performances from each of the guys ie, what's your favorite Ray guitar part, fav Mikey bassline, fav Frank guitar part, and fav Gerard vocals? (and favorite drums if you have a favorite but I understand if you don't since they notoriously switched or had issues w every drummer at some point lmao)

okay. okay.

favorite ray solo is dead. i mean thats the company line. ive always said dead was my favorite guitar solo ever. but i havent really like. sat down and listened to them all and like ranked them or anything. so i could just be saying that. i mean i really really do love dead. but the venom solo goes so hard oooooof. also omg this one lick in destroya like after the instrumental break and then the chorus comes back in, like RIGHT before the chorus comes back in theres this do do do do dooooo. i fucking love that so much for some reason.

fave frank part is hard. bc helena chorus exists. and its like. franks parts in helena arent super technical but the EMOTION. its about the emotion. and there is soooooo much emotion packed into that chorus like. guitar moments to make you cry. but recently as i have talked about i have been like really really feeling his part in to the end. but also i have had 5am crossfaded crazed hysteria moments over his parts in ghost and prison and this is how i disappear. literally there are a bunch of timestamps in my drafts bc i will start like going crazy over some live performance im watching and i need everyone to hear it but its 5am so i just draft it and then i never post it lmao. im like number one frank guitar defender bc i feel like ppl really disregard him so i have tons of parts in mind, from other albums as well cause it seems like i focused on revenge here, but its really hard for me to pick just one idk. helena is my instinct though.

best gerard vocal performance ever is desert song i dont even need to write a paragraph to figure this out like. hands down. desert song.

and tbh with mikey idk i dont pay thatttt much attention to the bass and also i feel like theres a combination of how like. unless its just a bass part to intro a song i cant always hear it and pick it out. AND they dont tend to focus much on mikey in live shows like the camera doesnt stick on him much so i cant as easily pick his parts out like i can differentiate the guitars when they stick on either frank or ray. so like yea im not that familiar with every mcr bass part. but i will say obviously the intro to give em hell kid is so iconic. and i think the bass in planetary is really good???? i fucking love planetary. so probably one of those!

as for drums i dont pay that much attention to the drums either unless its a drum solo or smth which there arent really a lot of and i never like stanned any of the drummers in a way where i like just listened ot the drums cause i wanted to hear them lol but obviously the most iconic mcr drum part is destroya. and one of my favorite mcr songs is vampires so the drum intro to that too.

[choerrypuffs]

no but what fr annoys me is when ppl go like “ur pressed over 3 songs ??” like uhm, if this was anyone other than bts you would be screaming as well. i stan nct and svt so much but if they released horrible english songs 3 times in a row, i’d be very annoyed. (tho ngl nct 127 regular in english >>> korean idk y)

when ppl say let them sing in whatever language, it’s annoying cus most people aren’t annoyed at the fact that they’re specifically speaking english but it’s the fact that the quality of the music has degraded along with it. aswell as the fact the english lyrics are sometimes cringey (but this may just be an issue just because we can understand english and not korean so we don’t really realise how cringey it may be normally but idk ).

i guess they’re trying to emulate the american pop sound ?? but find me a song that sounded like this and wasn’t released in 2015 🧍‍♀️ . it’s just like, what group are u marketing towards? cus this just sounds like the type of music you hear in the ads in the 2 seconds before you skip and it’s annoying. take me back before they had collab with halsey cus boy with luv was so bad imo (i love halsey but the song was trash lolol) but ON was good ? i just wish they kept to their roots instead of just trying to push themselves into the american market. because nobody listens to these types of songs.

but sometimes i just feel bad, like do they actually want to make music like this or are they forced to or ?? cus it seems like they just wanna make as much money before they leave to the military ngl but it’s their job so ngl i don’t care about that. but it’s the way they think this is going to grab the western public’s interest like NO ?? baby no it’s not. i just miss the older bts eras like not today, idol, bst, like i kind of?? stanned them because of those eras but i stopped around 2019 with boy with luv and ngl i don’t blame myself cus clearly it wasn’t getting better (except ON that was good). so neways to end this off , i keep reading ptd as ptsd so i think that’s all you need to know 🕳🤸‍♀️

EXACTLY ????? like if i’m a fan of somebody and they keep releasing trash songs, i have the right to be upset ?? kpop stans act like you can’t be a fan while also disliking some of their songs. i started getting into bts when they released run/hyyh2 and i still stand by the fact that’s the best album they’ve ever released. skool luv affair and dark & wild are some of my favorites too. their music has changed drastically ever since love yourself, so you can’t blame people for not liking their new music?? and i’m not even trying to be the “back in my day” boomer but it’s true 😩

also remember when they were doing an interview and someone asked if they would do a song/album (i can’t remember which) in english and armys got pressed about the question ??? and then bts came out with dynamite 🗿 and you’re completely right, no one cares that they’re singing in english. it’s bc the lyrics and song itself are shit 🤧 there’s rarely ever a kpop song that translates well in english EXCEPT rv’s bad boy 🥰

I KNOW RIGHT??? if bts hadn’t released it, would their english songs even chart??? the fact that dynamite was nominated for a grammy is MINDBLOWING to me 😭😭😭 honestly boy in luv is one of their more tolerable songs 💀 yes!! ON was so beautiful 😪 i thought we were finally getting back on track but then i was disappointed again

honestly i think it’s bc bts themselves or bighit or both realized they can release anything they want and fans will eat it up so they’re just focusing on making as much money as possible 🤷‍♀️ i respect their hustle but it’s kind of surreal to listen to their old music making fun of and condemning capitalism and then seeing the transition to them becoming the epitome of capitalism

[golbrocklovely]

Wait, wait, wait! I saw your MyChem post... are you telling me that you like SnC, Nate, Harry AND MCR!?! Dude! We so would be best buddies IRL! Have you listened to the new song? Thoughts?

haha yeah i do like mcr. i'll be honest i'm not like a super fan, but i do enjoy their music.

first off, i'm so surprised they released music. also it feels like everyone is dropping either an album or a single today lol

but anyway, so, my thoughts on the song:

i really enjoy it ! i love how heavy it sounds. and i also love that it doesn't sound like anything they've released before (except maybe some of their earlier stuff). it sounds like a really mature mcr, which is great bc a lot of their past stuff had a certain youthfulness that i wouldn't want now since they're all older.

also, i've watched a couple review and someone made the point that it's almost like they're saying in the song that while they're back, they aren't the same band they once were.

and while i agree with that, i think it's also interesting to point out that the fanbase isn't the same as it once was. everyone is older, and everyone (in a way) is bitter. not bc mcr left, but bc life isn't as nice as it once was.

like thinking back, mcr left in 2013. idk about you, but life just felt better back then. i was only a junior in high school. my dad was still alive, i didn't have to worry about half the shit i do now, and overall life just felt lighter.

but now… not to so much. maybe it's just bc i'm older, maybe it's the state of the world, maybe it's a number of things. but i think now is the perfect time for mcr to come back.

one of the reasons they left was bc they felt like they weren't needed anymore. while i don't agree with that, i do understand what they mean. but them coming back with this sound, and what they represent to a lot of ppl, kind of reminds me of how american idiot by green day made a resurgence once tr*mp became president. like, history in a way is repeating itself, and their music IS needed again. they represent the ones that won't go quietly into the night, so to speak. instead of it being a bunch of emo teens, it's now alternative adults lol

i probably have a 100 others thoughts, but this was just my initial reaction to the song haha

[bandsanitizer]

What exactly does everyone mean by sgfg isn't "cohesive"? Like I've seen this said so many times over the years and I just don't get what ppl mean. I'm starting to think that I have a different idea of what the word "cohesive" means bc the album sounds pretty cohesive to me. like do you guys mean sonically, thematically??? what criteria am I missing lol I feel stupid 😭😅

aw no please don’t feel stupid! it’s a pretty general term lmao

I’ve seen cohesion used in different ways and in the end it’s all subjective. but I think about how overall the album feels. it’s a very… internal thing. Like do all these songs fit together in one album? Is there an overarching idea to the album that the songs within the album all touch upon somehow?

Again this is all subjective and I tend to have some unique music perspective lmao so I hope this helps and if not, I’m very sorry and I would direct you to the many other 5sos fans (or critics’ articles on the album can be insightful too! like take it with a grain of salt but sometimes they’re cool to see what other people look for)

***also note: the last time I listened to sgfg in full in order was like last year so memory? no so good.

For me, SKH and Hey Everybody! and Permanent Vacation and The Girl Who Cried Wolf are weird ones on the album. The first three almost feel like leftovers from their debut album or their EPs from them. I wouldn’t be surprised given the little space between writing the two. Then you have songs where they can have playful little “caching!” or w/e and then there’s like Invisible

I also think a large part is their lyrics. I’m a big fan of album lyrics using motifs—something I can follow throughout the album that ties it all together. This isn’t necessary and from a sonic sense 5sos does this fairly well—they have a sound that is just 5SOS about their music and a large part of it is their abilities as live musicians, but 5sos doesn’t really do the best with lyrics. I think they have a handful of songs with really good lyrics—some notably featuring other artists known for lyricism (story of another us, as an example)—but overall… the sound and music tends to be their focus. Which, to each their own, but then you come to things like Fly Away and The Girl Who Cried Wolf which are on two different levels of story telling from being very… un-poetic to “ignored by gravity but in the end don’t ask why” like ??? am I just supposed to not ??? care about physics being broken??

I understand (sort of. that song is confusing af for me sometimes) what they’re trying to do and I know they make efforts to bettering the lyricism (and it has definitely improved over the years) but I think on SGFG they wanted to do so much—touch upon so many themes, try so many different things with said themes—that it wound up being a little too much.

Sorry if that doesn’t help much. For me, it’s a mix of really tangible things to being more or less about the vibes. I would say Youngblood is their most cohesive album (despite its eclecticism) and CALM imo is cohesive in halves (like split it down the middle and you could have two different albums almost) Regarding SGFG, I don’t think it’s not? cohesive—like I see how it can all fit—but I do think it could’ve been more so. Like I think a lot of what gives it cohesion is how the instruments sound/their approach to the genre enough that… it all sounds similar to some degree (maybe a production thing? idk). but I think there are songs that would be better not on the album/on a different album.

tbh cohesion is just something that 5sos, to me, doesn’t have the best grapple on yet and I do believe that their solo work and their time off will help them with having a clearer picture going in. but I can’t imagine meshing 4 people plus everyone else assisting, makes for easy putting together of ideas and thoughts and views and wants. so I just…. I think sgfg is a lot of them being ambitious, a lot of stories they want to write and tell, a lot of themes they wanted to cover, and in the end—with them likely being exhausted, rushing to get out a second album, and still trying to find their own sound and place in music—I think it might’ve been a little too much for then and resulted in putting out whatever they had. like I’ve never written an album but to be touring AND getting maybe a year? from your last album to write and recorded and finish a 17 track album? I’m not suprised sgfg is the way it is in terms of a mix of their best music and also tracks feel like question marks, at least contextually in the LP

[rurifangirl]

for the oc asks💅💅

Kayn🌸

photo album: describe one of your OCs’ favorite memories.

Rui🌸

love note: who likes who? crushes? relationships? are they mutual or unrequited?

Shou🌸

mixtape: 5 songs that describe your OC(s) or songs they themselves would like.

Lyva🌸

microscope: zoom in – describe the little, insignificant details about an OC.

Naexi🌸

conspiracy theory: what are your OC’s beliefs? are they skeptics or do they believe easily? who acts on blind faith? who needs to see to believe?

Qiran 🌸

wild card: talk about any OC! anything you want!

Syndra🌸

psyche: what’s their head space like? do they have any mental illnesses? how do they process difficult or emotional situations? what are their coping mechanisms?

Evelyn🌸

compass: who’s the moral compass? in general: what are your OCs’ morality like? do they have high morals, or not? are their morals self imposed, or do they base their morals on religion/family/influence of others?

Hskdkkskwofkk aight here i go bitch

Kayn-

He has many memories, especially from Black Swan, even if they're still sad lookin back @ em. But looking back, if he could choose any memory, he'd definetly describe a lil scene when he was extremely young, like somethin like 6/7 y/o.

Since he's always been really acceptin n empathetic he would've tried to help some of those lil foxes ya see in game, so just, playin in the snow w them, careless n just havin the best time, though there's really noone he knew, rather than just,him being primarly alone, which Is kinda strange cuz he likes bein round ppl, but for him it's oddly reassurin.

But any other memory w the gang/ruri Is still really dear to him.

Rui-

Hamjsjsk honestly y'know that i intended for em to have a love interest? Now It's kinda not there, I mean I can totally see a platonic relationships w Lyva honestly, but at the moment they don't have any type of romantic feeling to really anyone. At least at the moment 🚶‍♀️

Shou-

I have...the worst fuckin musical taste.🧍Ahkdkskwkk honestly both self projectin n bein right, he'd like (Bottom) cover by dongdang n fuckin Honey I'm home by GHOST as his guilty pleasures don't TELL ME HE WOULDN'T HE WOULD😍

Hwkdkskk but anythin traditionally would go well really. He hates rap tho.

Lyva-

Ahkdkdwhjskdo idk what to say bout her that wasn't already said tbh😭😭 Like if I'd say somethin for her It would probably be her motivation to do anythin in her power?? Idk what else, every character Is gonna get development later on, so If anythin they'd all be changed😩

Naexi-

Oh yeah.

If anything they're probably the most skeptical about everyone, especially doin it throughout some kind of proves, really similar to what Shou did initially w Lyva n Rui, but like, even more subdule. Like with Shou's case it's different because now he relies on Qirian, but Naexi doesn't do It to really anyone.

Even later on really little changes on how she views their adventure companions. They don't see them as people as worthy as her life, if not for some details she sees that could be useful to em.

Qiran-

Honestly idk what to talk bout honestly. Like if anythin there's nothin more to add rather than what happened to their friends but i'd rather not go into It.

Oh, mabye a lil bit bout their aibility, since i did mention It like once n then didn't.

They basically have a connection through water, mainly comin because of their parents linaege, as they were a well-known family of mages. Their mother is one, though their father ain't, and that's also the reason they ain't a mage itself, though mantainin some kind of control over magic.

Their older other sister (but they have many other sibling) Is a mage n didn't really want to approve em goin round, and scholded em when they heard bout the Shou thingy(but they didn't know bout him bein a demon, more of "tf you doin at this dudes house" thing).

Idk of it's either them or Evelyns lil sis i wanna introduce tbh, I'll eventually see.

Syndra-

I'm currently rethinkin bout some aspects of her, but the thing Is that One thing still remains, that bein her motivation to desperatly reach anything she'd aimed for. It would do anything and doesn't care about the consequences,even if they're as bloody or as gorey, as she is thecnically on the Gray area, but like a bit darker.

Her headspace Is mainly a mess, that would make her do and had done many awful shit, even to humans. She doesn't know nor understand fully what any of the emotions It is feelin work, so for her, it's like a nightmare most of the time.

The only time she's really at ease it's when her friends are around that don't make her feel certain stuff that I'll talk bout another time.

Evelyn-

For him It's a big "Do shit, fuck 'round" situation, even in the gang. So if anythin they're gray, but slightly leadin into the white area, cuz she isn't as ruthless as Naexi or Shou are tbh (cuz yes fun fact Shou's also leadin like Naexi does), n would rather avoid any worthless death. But they would still make fun of ppl gettin in her way in fights n wouldn't feel too bad bout It.

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[fmdtaeyongarchive]

q3 2021 update & plot call !!

below the cut, you can find an update on ash’s current life, career (or rather absence of), and development for quarter three, as well as plot and thread ideas! if you see anything that you’d like to plot out or write with him, like this or message me, and we can get to it! i have a lot in mind about where ash is right now, so i might add more and expand later on!

mentions of ash’s continuing struggle with mental illness under the cut in case you don’t wanna read that rn

professionally

ash is on hiatus the whole quarter so... not much going on here.

uhh basically the first two days of july he was still trying to get bc to let him take a break so schedule threads could be set then if they cross paths at the bc building! he’s going to be participating in concert rehearsals for knight to a less intense extent since bc, as of the beginning of his hiatus, fully intends him to participate in the concerts. he’ll miss about the first half of the tour, but in july and august he’ll still be attending knight tour rehearsals some to keep up. schedule threads can also be done then!

(note that he’ll be missing the bc city concert as well — i don’t see him dropping by just to support either tbh, sorry bc ppl. white knight duo ver tho let’s gooooooooooo)

ash will eventually start writing music and finding his love of that again though and that’s pretty much the most work he can do during his hiatus, so it’d be cool to maybe have him write, compose, or produce for a few people that might be releasing later this year or sometime next year if anyone is interested? :) we can see if ash would work for it. there’s also opening for him to ask a few people he’s close to to sing some demos for him when he starts trying to write again!

personally + plot ideas!

explaining how he got to his hiatus would take me all day but he basically forced bc’s hand in letting him take time off (well, he wanted to leave knight and retire ngl but his manager was like... you know that’s not going to happen let’s try a hiatus <3). you can read my badly-written solos for part of it (i still need to write more) but generally, the most other muses might know is that they might have run into him acting kinda moody/down or impulsive/irresponsible lately, he made a very uncharacteristic post on social media that hinted at being unhappy with his life currently and losing passion/excitement for even the things he used to value most highly before his social media was deactivated by bc lmaaooo. the post would have probably conveyed Something was up it it wasn’t like genuinely super triggering-level content i promise !! bc released a statement shortly after stating he’d be going on hiatus without mentioning a definitive end date.

so there’s the possibility a muse might have checked up on him after that post / the hiatus news to see how he was doing?

tbh ash isn’t going to be seeking out meeting new people during his hiatus. he’s taking time to himself and is only going to make any effort to hang out with people he’s comfortable with. those he’s not close to, he’s going to have to interact with by running into unintentionally.

he’s getting a place in jeju in the early-ish part of his hiatus. he’ll be spending a lot of time there at first because he just wants to get away from seoul, so it’d be nice to set some threads there if your muse has the time to hop over to visit him if they have anything resembling a free day. (again a certain level of closeness would be necessary, but i think one good heart to heart conversation beforehand could bring someone closer to him enough for that rn! even over text tbh lmao). chuseok would be a really good time for this !! i imagine catching up over lowkey dinners or heart to hearts under the stars, that found family ash has actively fought having lol

(that place in jeju is also going to be where he starts to want to write music again too, so music based stuff there would be chill?)

heart to hearts in general anywhere would be really good for ash right now so please give me those! they can be in seoul too for sure.

he’ll be moving into a new apartment in seoul eventually, though that will probably be a little later in his hiatus? he had some bad fan/sasaeng run-ins right before his hiatus and having so much time off makes him realize he wants to move. someone can help him house hunt or if someone else is looking for a place, they can talk together about it. i want him to realize he wants to move into a smaller place that can feel more like home

once he does move, muses are free to come over and help him set up / be his one-man housewarming party. that’s a little down the line tho !! so we might not want to plot that as a thread to write right this instant

he may also be getting a pet ! muses can come look with him at a shelter or he can run into people there!

this would be a little later in his hiatus, but it’d be interesting if once he’s doing a little better, he gets the urge to dance and runs into a muse at the dance studio. idk that he’ll ever fall completely back in love with dancing, but he might rediscover some of what he did love about dancing and ash and this muse often run into each other as he visits that dance studio a little more often and they eventually bond over it / do some dancing together.

those who still really have that passion for making music ash has lost, talk to him about it <3 he misses it. he might cry but tbh he’s liable to cry in any thread

he’s cutting his hair short and dying it back to black this month, so it would be possible to run into him at the hair salon!

ash will want to be inside at home mostly at the beginning of his hiatus, but as it goes on, he’ll start to branch out and that will offer some more opportunities to hang out. he’ll try not to go to bars and clubs really, but small music venues or jazz lounges, small indie cinemas, galleries, those kind of things will be up his alley

idk that there’s much plotting to be had around this, but this long hiatus on top of the other hiatuses he’s had and his acting out before this hiatus is going to make some of the bc team realize it might not be super wise to keep pushing him hard as a cf model (and in the long run, just less of pushing him as a major idol star within the company in general tbh) so he’ll be able to get some more tattoos and piercings and will become more comfortable, hopefully, with presenting himself how he wants to be seen / having some development in that good ol’ lack of bodily autonomy aspect ash has always had going on. he’ll be coming out of hiatus living much more of his 2021 jk fc truth with the full sleeve and the eyebrow piercing .

uhhh ? pretty far down the line but i’ll mention it while it’s on my mind :) i think it’d be cool if ash did a collab (mini-)album (or two?) at some point after getting off hiatus. i’d want it to be someone he really clicks with creatively (though they don’t have to be a songwriter — i can see it working as collaborative songwriting or as ash feeling really inspired to write for them) and wants to work with since it’s not going to be something he’s letting bc push him into it at that point, and something that just happens organically. realistically, this would work with a female vocal best by far, maybe a male rapper just based on the songs ash does / i can see him doing. probably wouldn’t want to commit to anything fully rn unless it really clicks but i wanted to throw the idea out there :)

uhmmm?? ig i should also mention ash will be paying attention to his health both mental and physical he’s been neglecting for a while. there isn’t too much to say regarding plotting here because he needs to handle it himself with trying new therapy, medications, understanding there’s some stuff beyond “just” his depression going on. coming to accept nothing’s ever going to be perfect, but that self-awareness and effort can help more than denial can. not super plot potential-y but i’ll mention it since this is all the personal update section

basically, ash is taking time to recover mentally (and physically) and ultimately hopefully leave hiatus in a better place than he started where he can be more comfortable in his career, even if just a little bit, in himself, and in his life. if he can have some good, developing threads during the time, that’d be great!

[equalseleventhirds]

if you want to talk about hades town you can do so on this because i am very much interested in your thoughts about it!

fdsfjdskfds oh anon i am at Work and when i get out of work i will be Homework but......... listen. listen.

(ok a lot of this i’ve already rambled abt in my hadestown tag but. BUT). i got into hadestown pre-broadway, which means i listened to the original cast recording from 2017 a BUNCH. and while i adore both version, there were... changes. which i feel did orpheus a disservice, and the overarching plot a disservice, but in some ways treated eurydice better by filling her out more and making her more of a revolutionary. 

anyway, i defos don’t have time for a full song-by-song comparison, and also some of the songs available for the broadway version never made it onto the release of the 2017 version, not bcos they weren’t in the show, just bcos.... idk they weren’t released? weren’t recorded? i do not pretend to know the inner workings of the music industry.

BUT of note: the major changes to epic ii. in the original, orpheus was mocking of hades (’king of a kingdom of dirt’ yo), while in the broadway version, orpheus is just singing abt hades and persephone’s history. epic iii also removes that like, ‘a king who loves everythign like a hammer loves the nail’ and ‘he comes down heavy and hard on us’, so it’s MUCH less about the workers’ resentment of hades and just. about hades and persephone.

btw fuckin miss me with that narrative abt orpheus solving global warming by reminding the ruling class that they’re in love with each other? like, i’m sure that’s more appealing to ur standard can-afford-broadway audience, and as a LOVE story it’s cool, but. just not a good lesson actually. 

also ‘living it up on top’ completely cuts out his ‘why would a man of his own free will go to work all day in the mine and the mill’ which is, y’know, callous when considering the people (like, later, eurydice) driven to work for hades, but is TARGETED at hades, who for real does not NEED to work the way he does. miss that....

we also, throughout the broadway version, get a LOT of hermes speaking for orpheus. in the original, ‘come home with me’ is orpheus convincing eurydice, while the broadway version has hermes telling her that orpheus will make her feel alive. ‘living it up on top’ also changes from persephone speaking directly to orpheus and letting him take up the ‘bless this round’ bit, to having hermes volunteer him. blah blah ‘under my wing’ blah, but having a god (again, member of the ruling class, even if this one’s helpful) speak for him? when we have a version where he speaks for himself? come ON. i am not a fan of orpheus being made helpless! let him make his decisions! let his voice be one of persuasion even BEFORE he goes to the underworld!

(this also ties into my personal take that as a demigod, the son of a muse--and you know how those muses are--orpheus’ carelessness is what originally loses him eurydice. he does not care about eating through the winter, he’s never had to worry about that bcos hermes looks after him, while eurydice has had a harsh life and knows they DO need to worry. art is all well and good, but it is also important to care for the people in your life. it’s later, when orpheus loses eurydice and must venture into the harshness of the underworld, meets the workers/the wall and has to find SOLIDARITY with them in order to stand up to hades, that he finally recognizes the value of working with others to create a better life for all. in this essay i)

i also rly miss the original ‘promises’ bcos like, while orpheus & eurydice as always-in-love is sweet, i really enjoyed the fighty version where they are both resentful & angry abt broken promises, and both acknowledge that what they originally claimed to want from the other & give to one another was both unrealistic and not what they actually wanted, eventually coming to a conclusion that was more based on reality. like. communication resulting in a healthier relationship after dealing with unrealistic expectations.... we stan.

now that i’ve gone over how i think the original was better, i did still LIKE the broadway version, and there were some improvements! most notable, eurydice’s stronger role as like, an active revolutionary (or attempted one, anyway) rather than a more passive rescue.

i genuinely adored the change of ‘anyway the wind blows’ from an intro song by the fates to eurydice singing (with the fates backing her up/singing in her ear), bcos it sets up eurydice as an average sufferer of the world the gods made, and lets us hear it in her voice, her experience, and her opinions. she is the one to say weather ain’t the way it was before--and when we later get persephone telling us ‘some might say the weather ain’t the way it used to be’, she’s dismissing eurydice’s suffering (and the suffering of all humans), bcos she’s more concerned with her own issues with hades than with how she’s impacted the world.

(also the changes made had some Interesting Implications abt persephone’s complicity in that whole ‘keep your head low’ thing, that i think is p cool, actually? like afaik the 2017 version didn’t have ‘no spring/no fall’ going on, so the fact that the broadway one DOES and yet keeps her having spring flowers & autumn leaves only to the ppl in the underworld when she arrives.... inch resting. something something the ruling class provides ‘charity’ of resources people should already have as a reward for ‘good behavior’ something.)

eurydice at the beginning is isolated. she falls in love with orpheus and decides to stay with him, but even them being together does not mean he understands her, or values the same things she does. this is evident in both versions, but in the broadway version, when eurydice goes to the underworld, she does something interesting; she tries to introduce herself to the other workers. now, i never saw the 2017 version in full, only heard the album, but in the album she signs the papers and is rejoicing that she’s ‘free’ and has to be told that she isn’t. she doesn’t really speak to the other workers, beyond this exchange about ‘freedom’. in the broadway version, she’s dejected--she did what she had to do. she knows that’s what the other workers did. and she goes to talk to them about it, bcos in spite of where they are, she wants to create a connection with her fellow workers (building solidarity! my girl!!) (also interesting: at the start of the show. she’s alone. she’s always been alone. she sings about how people always turn on you and she’s better off alone before she meets orpheus, but even after she has to leave him, she tries to make a connection with other people. oh...... character development, we love it.) she doesn’t SUCCEED, but she TRIES. which may be important in why they choose to follow HER later.

now we come to chant (reprise), wait for me (reprise), and doubt comes in, the BEST revolutionary eurydice songs in the ENTIRE show. in the 2017 version these were mostly orpheus-focused (and altho i miss the ‘he said he’s shelter us/he said he’d harbor me’ parallels from the 2017 version of chant ii, the company singing with eurydice & orpheus about ‘if i raise my voice, if i raise my head’ fucks SO HARD). eurydice sings with the workers as they’re revolting, and when they walk out of hadestown, the workers follow her. (they don’t follow orpheus, even tho that’s who eurydice is following; ‘if she can do it so can we’. she’s one of them. she’s the one they’re following. can you BELIEVE). eurydice also gets to echo (louder, stronger, and using our instead of my) orpheus’s fantastic fucking ‘i hear the walls repeating the falling of my feet and it sounds like drumming’ bit, with the workers giving her backup. god. so fucking good.

and then, again, i never saw the 2017 version, but ‘doubt comes in’ in that one is still melancholy even on eurydice’s parts; she’s hopeful, but she’s alone, entirely relying on orpheus to lead her. i did get to see the broadway version (and bro.... the production value on that.... the LIGHTS first of all, the LIGHTING, and this song in particular? all dark when orpheus sings so you can’t see eurydice, and then cut to eurydice in lights with the workers following? MY DUDE.) and eurydice’s bits in this song are triumphant. she is sure they will get out, she is dancing and turning back to the workers as she sings she is right behind him (they sing back: we are right behind you). she is following him and sure of him, and she is with the workers and they are with her.

which is part of why ‘sing it again’ does so little for me, actually? like, orpheus had his chance, and he fucked it up, and yes it’s a beautiful story and we want to think he’d do it right, but this is nothing like the end, and singing it again leaves no way to move forward. eurydice led the workers! she gave them her name, she made them care, she was their beacon of hope and what they could become (compare to their previous beacon of hope, persephone, who shows up once a year and sells them remnants of their former lives and does not try to lead them out bcos she’s too caught up in her own anger). eurydice did not make it out with orpheus, but i HAVE to imagine that she and the workers got that taste of freedom, that taste of memory, that taste of solidarity, and would not just forget it again. it becomes more than a love story, it becomes about eurydice’s position of solidarity with the other mortals (something orpheus almost gets, but fails due to insecurity and inexperience and being the outside-savior rather than one of them). and obvs that doesn’t work with the original orpheus and eurydice myth, but listen...... let them bother hades after the end. let them fucking unionize. pls it would be so GOOD i am just! i am just!!

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Lol its fine!! Reply whenever you can ^_^

But ahh true, true. Idk why I thought it would be a hint to the music lol but a sort og an evolution of the concept so to speak. Either way, am excited for the comeback because fresh svt is always iconic. Oohhh the concept photos are all pretty and idk which one to pick jfkshfjsjd. Like they are all very on brand for them but also unique and pretty. Very artsy haha.

Ahh yes, rabbitnwas forever iconic and it was what helped other places like discord to do similar things! But ah understandable!! Both seventeen and nct (when I was getting into kpop more) always felt like BIG well known groups due to their fandoms being so big at least to me. Especially when people always recommended their songs i just assumed they have been around for a while like bts when I joined only to realize they are still rookies. Monster rookies indeed!! The fact so many people love them is enough for me to say they are amazing, well respected and loved by many. Those comments annoy me, especially when people downplay their hard work by claiming 'bighit helped them get more famous' like what!? Yes bighit did help with getting more western attention per se but like downplaying as if they haven't achieved anything at all is confusing to me. Claiming how streaming fans aren't doing s good job to which im like one, mass streaming isn't healthy and two, fans who do try their best and we do beat records of our own. Seventeen isn't unpopular, just because they aren't you know who level doesn't mean they aren't big like do people forget what unpopular means?

Anywhoo, a day late but happy late birthday to our tiger King. May he forever rule the tiger land and take over the world with his tiger agenda lol.

yes! one side fits my aesthetic the best but all the concept photos were nice ^^

and yeah it is annoying but at the same time those people are so detached from reality that I'm just sort of like whatever djflgj like 'it's obvious to anyone who knows what they're talking about you're wrong so I'm not going to bother arguing w you' is sort of my mindset when i see those comments dhfkj bc if i don't think of it that way then i get angry easily. the way i see it bh/hybe definitely is helping SVT with western promotions but like. i don't think SVT/pledis would have been incapable of expanding into the western market on their own if they wanted to. but it's a given that it will be easier and faster with hybe bc they have connections and a reputation in the western market already established. honestly I'd guess that was one of pledis's main incentives for agreeing to the acquisition. but at the same time hybe and western media wouldn't give SVT the time of day if they truly were the flops some ppl try to claim they are lol

and yeah agreed, streaming culture can be super unhealthy. it's one thing to do it if you want to but at the same time don't be losing sleep over it or prioritizing it over your real life responsibilities. and definitely don't guilt trip and say a bunch of toxic things to others to get them to stream... i feel like it would be a lot healthier if fanbases just stuck to simply explaining, hey this is what streaming is and why it can be important (for like music shows etc) and here's how to do it properly if you choose to stream, and then just let people decide for themselves. there would still be people more than willing to do it, and without the guilt tripping maybe even more people would just find it enjoyable. but hey, what do i know? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i also think most kpop stans underestimate how many views from from casual listeners and fans vs hardcore fans/streamers. like streaming does make a difference, but not 100M views difference like some people try to act like it does. tbh there are a lot of groups that have a smaller core fanbase than SVT but get hundreds of millions of views bc they have a lot of casual listeners. you can even see it internally too: don't wanna cry is SVTs most viewed MV by a mile, it's the only one to pass 100M views, let alone 200M. and it has nothing to do w carats streaming dwc extra hard, it's bc it's arguably SVTs most well known song outside of the fandom. i see reactors all the time who react to it and say "oh i know this song! i had no idea it was by seventeen" and you can look at the comments section and see a bunch of people saying the song has a fandom of its own/even if you're not a carat you have to know this song

kpop stans also put too much emphasis on views imo and also equate views to popularity, which on the surface might make sense but isn't always the case. actually in terms of profit, groups/companies make the vast majority of their money off of album, merch, and ticket sales than they do off of views. but those are all things that are a lot harder to "sell" than views, because they actually cost money for the consumer, while you can watch an MV for free. hence why it makes sense that there are a lot of groups with hundreds of millions of views that get relatively low album sales. it's easy to convince casual fans and and listeners to watch an MV than to get them to buy something

and I'm not trying to diss other groups at all or try to say groups that consistently get 200M+ views are flops, they're absolutely not. I'm just trying to point out that kpop stans completely underestimate the amount of casual listeners that exist

but this is why SVT is honestly such a fascinating case. their MV views are nothing to write home about, and yet they're the second highest selling k-act at the moment and are in the top 10 if not top 5 highest selling k-acts of all time, their album sales are literally insane. a lot of people chalk it up to carats being bad streamers but like i said before, streaming isn't going to make a difference of hundreds of millions of views. this indicates to me that seventeen have a bigger core fanbase (ie people who call themselves carats and actually keep track of seventeens activities) but a smaller audience of casual listeners compare to other kpop groups. and i think a lot of people, carats, and non carats alike, pick up on this in some way or another but don't realize that's what's going on and it manifests in kind of weird ways sometimes

and this fact isn't something that bothers me, i actually think it's super important more than anything for SVT to have a strong core fanbase if what they're shooting for is longevity. but i do find it strange bc as i said, groups that do better with digitals than physical sales make total sense from a consumer standpoint!! so how did SVT end up like this!! it's so interesting for me to think about. i think i would have a better idea of why this is if i had been around since debut but alas

the only thing i can come up with is that SVT is better at retaining fans or like... getting fans invested in the group so people who become carats are less likely to be multistans? bc multistans play a huge part in both being and attracting casual listeners. they're the ones making video compilations and edits and content that includes multiple kpop groups, which is how a lot of non-fans get interested in other groups. whereas if someone is just a carat and making content for SVT the people most likely to watch that content is ppl who are already carats. i know im not the only one that's noticed it's kind of rare for SVT to be included in multistan edits and videos. which i don't blame anyone for, i think most of those people genuinely just don't stan SVT and they shouldn't be expected to include a group they don't know we'll or at all. at the end of the day ppl can make what they like. but it's interesting to observe as a general trend. but idk SVT potentially having a lower percentage of multistans still isn't really an explanation for why SVT doesn't have as many casual listeners bc those things kind of just go hand in hand. like either one could be the cause of the other one if that makes sense

ANYWAY sorry for the long reply but as i said the ratio of SVTs core fanbase vs casual listeners is a topic i find endlessly fascinating dhfmfj